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Alex Wagner Tonight

susan, thank you for being here. i just wonder as a russian watcher and knower, such as you are, you have a theory about why we don't have official confirmation about why prigozhin he's dead or alive? >> well, look, there is always a lag between the two things. i think the message is pretty loud and clear. certainly, the default setting here has to be that prigozhin he's presumed dead at this moment in time. the wagner group social media channels are also suggesting that that is exactly what happened. you made the point, alex, that is exactly two months since the failed mutiny by prigozhin and a cohort of his men. he did not -- unwisely, it appears -- he did not choose to stick with the exile in belarus that was negotiated to end that aborted mutiny. and i think, in our experience, vladimir putin, as bill burns said, just a few weeks ago, he likes his revenge served cold.

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now, after his failed coup, putin exiled prigozhin and his followers to nearby belarus, and he has branded demonstrators. today, president biden did not rule out that putin may be behind the crash. >> i don't know for a fact what happened. but i am not surprised. >> do you think -- >> there's not much that happens in russia that putin is not behind. i don't know enough to know the answer. >> joining me now is susan glasser, staff writer for "the new yorker", and author of "kremlin rising: -- vladimir putin's russia and the end of revolutions. susan, thank you for being here. i just wonder as a russian watcher and knower, such as you are, you have a theory about why we don't have official confirmation about why prigozhin he's dead or alive? >> well, look, there is always a lag between the two things. i think the message is pretty loud and clear. certainly, the default setting here has to be that prigozhin he's presumed dead at this

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again i think they would have taken the same thing but from an entry point they can't at that much we are watching from the sidelines as these events take place. >> and there is almost nothing they can do except as mandy said there's not much we can do than what the government is doing. >> i tend to agree, what is interesting of power the mutiny is that -- it is dreadful but the wagner group, prigozhin he is not exactly a good man, he is a convict that was liberated from jail they've been accused of all sorts of human rights abuses, these aren't people we want to have power over nuclear weapon so the position here is

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Alex Wagner Tonight

so wagner, yevgeny prigozhin raised his hand and said i have an army. i can create an army, i can use former veterans, i can use criminals, i can use people that the russian population won't really miss if they die on the battlefield, and i can provide this auxiliary force to russia. it was accepted, prigozhin formed wagner group all the way back in 2014. it was small, it was secret. then it started to grow. when vladimir putin decided to back up bashar al-assad in syria, another military intervention that putin wanted to have off the books, military campaign that did not require troop call ups, that would not impact the russian population in an emotional, or physical way. prigozhin stepped in. since then, his operations have continued to grow.

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Alex Wagner Tonight

wagner paramilitary group, this guy, yevgeny prigozhin, once a putin ally claims he has left ukraine at the head of a column of troops as crossed into russia in some sort of a challenge to the russian defense minister with who he's been waging a war of words since the outset of the russian evasion of ukraine last year. prigozhin he was hired by russian president vladimir putin last year to mobilize wagner mercenaries to ukraine. he posted a message on social media this afternoon accusing russia's minister of defense, sergei shoigu, of pushing putin to invade ukraine under quote, false pretenses. he also accused the russian military of providing putin with an accurate information about the status of the war, and claim that russia is in fact losing ground on the battlefield. not long after posting that message, at around nine pm local time, prigozhin posted another message blaming the russian military for carrying out an alleged attack against his troops, killing quote, a huge amount of his own forces

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Alex Wagner Tonight

ukraine where prigozhin's fighters are gathered. medusa, an investigative outlet critical of putin is also reporting that russia domestic intelligence services asking wagner fighters not to obey prigozhin's criminal and treacherous orders, and to take steps to detain him. other russian generals, like the one seen here seated next to a rifle, or appealing to fighters to ignore the calls for a billion. prigozhin attempted to clarify today, by the way, that is not attempting a coup, but government officials and ukraine are saying that a column of wagner soldiers have now passed checkpoints in the direction of moscow. and a new audio posted by prigozhin says his fighters are now inside russia. there's a lot here, and we have not confirmed any of this information independently, we have just gathered for you now, and we will let you know what we do, and when we can confirm it. but the impact, and the fear that this is generating not just inside russia, but around the world is palpable.

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Alex Wagner Tonight

fighters to ignore the calls for a billion. prigozhin attempted to clarify today, by the way, that is not attempting a coup, but government officials and ukraine are saying that a column of wagner soldiers have now passed checkpoints in the direction of moscow. and a new audio posted by prigozhin says his fighters are now inside russia. there's a lot here, and we have not confirmed any of this information independently, we have just gathered for you now, and we will let you know what we do, and when we can confirm it. but the impact, and the fear that this is generating not just inside russia, but around the world is palpable. russian stocks are now down more than 3% in after hours trading, and the batters running at the bottom of the 24 a russian state television channels say that the statements in the action of prigozhin amount to a call for

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russia. it was accepted, prigozhin formed wagner group all the way back in 2014. it was small, it was secret. then it started to grow. when vladimir putin decided to back up bashar al-assad in syria, another military intervention that putin wanted to have off the books, military campaign that did not require troop call ups, that would not impact the russian population in an emotional, or physical way. prigozhin stepped in. since then, his operations have continued to grow. he expanded into africa, which is a way for the operation to raise money. they extract a lot of gold illegally, a lot of blood diamonds from places like the central african republic, there will be a story on that a few weeks ago. once they started fighting on multiple fronts, and were able to generate their own weapon

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