seemed to be pulling more votes away from biden or trump based on who you spoke to anderson kennedy s coalition of voters, they ve really span the political spectrum polling data does indicate the largest contingent could actually be those who didn t support either candidate i didn t 2020 a lot of his support comes from these so-called double-haters. those holding unfavorable views of both biden and trump, anderson even can thank so much. the news continues, the sorts we count. collins starts now, i ll see you tomorrow. straight on the source tonight. the president and the probation officers were brand new details from inside donald trump s pre-sentencing interview that could have huge impact on his punishment, including whether judge, were shawn since him to prison, were to giuliani s latest mug shot this time in arizona as the ones it s powerful mayor drowns in debt and scandal he says he has no regrets. we ve got the tape of him today a new images of those extraordinary moments that hostages are found alive during that, during rescue mission in gaza in broad daylight, a top israeli official will join me here live. i m kaitlin collins this is the source let this sink in and for just a moment, the presumptive republican nominee and the former president of the united states, just met with probation officers ahead of his sentencing which happens to be one month from tomorrow here in new york. now these pre-sentencing interviews are routine procedures for convicted felons, but it s safe to say there is nothing ordinary about this interview or this convicted felon. here s what we do know as of 9:00 p.m. here tonight, it was around 330 this afternoon that donald trump donald trump met virtually from his mar-a-lago club down in south florida with officials here in new york or sources say that he answered all the questions that were asked of him. cnn s john miller was told that trump was polite, respectful, and accommodating to the probation officers who conducted this interview. and the whole thing was over and just under half an hour it is quite the call, but adding to the unusual nature of this whole thing, we re told that the commissioner of new york s probation department was present for it, along with the general counsel and the officer who s assigned to the case and trump, as we know, with the permission of the judge here, one more sean was joined by his lead attorney, todd blanche, who are you d this case. now, typically, a convicted defendant would meet with their probation officer without their attorney. there. but this was different here. like many of the dynamics here. and ultimately it is the probation department that will submit a report based in part on today s interview to the judge here, who of course, will then ultimately decide but trump s punishment will be, i m joined tonight by trump biographer, cnn political analyst, and you times senior political correspondent maggie haberman. maggie, i mean it s a required step before sentencing, but just the aspect that he is undergoing. this is just remarkable in and of itself, everything about this is remarkable. and i do think that we lose sight of it that especially those of us who were in that courtroom, as you and i were, this is a former president who was trying to understand that his supporters think that this was not a case that should have been brought. they say that all the time. i think his lawyers feel this way too but nonetheless, he was convicted and it took less than two days and now we are hurdling toward a republican national convention, where he is going to be he nominated for a third time as the party s nominee, and he will have just been sentenced a few days earlier on july 11. and so i don t think we can overstate how remarkable this is. i think where it stops feeling remarkable is that voters don t same, particularly interested in it. and so this is history. this is something we have never experienced before. everything you just described is not the usual procedure in this kind of a sentencing report interview. but this is not typical, as you said? yeah, for all the talk of how trump has treat, i mean does get special treatment in some of these circumstances and you talked about the hell the sentencing is on. it s on a thursday. the convention starts that monday based on what you ve heard, has it set in for donald trump himself though, that this is happening, that he is having to answer these kinds of questions to probation officers. it has not actually don t think that the the conviction has left his mind much even though he s i think the best compartmentalize are many of us have ever seen on the political stage. i think he is well aware of what he is carrying over the next four weeks this situation where most of them would try to get a lesser sentence in these kind of interviews or when they go before the judge, trump will have an opportunity to speak to offer to be contrite but it doesn t seem like he s going he has been making that argument based on what he s been saying on truth, social, or rallies, or in interviews about this case and we do know he s also planning on appealing it right after that sentencing happens. so how does he balance the two of those so my assumption and we don t know specifically what he said in this interview. it was pretty short today. i don t know what the average length of those are, but 30 minutes is not a long time on its own my assumption is that he was actually not contrite, but certainly more subdued in that interview. than what we have seen on truth, social, what we saw outside of the courtroom and the hallways at the courthouse, what we have seen him du rallies, what we ve seen him doing, interviews it will be very hard for him to then suddenly argue that that s all just politics. or he didn t mean it, or what have you remember? he s going to be sentenced by a judge who cited him for violating a gag order several several times. and at one point said to him, the last thing i want to have to do is put you in jail, but made clear that that was on the table. if he kept doing it i don t know what this ends up looking like it i don t see a world where trump stands up and says, i m really sorry because trump s still denies anything happened, especially to this judge of all people are rapidly rails against repeatedly, which is you make a really good point there that how he acts inside the courtroom or based on what john miller heard about how he was in this interview? it is quite different than how he talks about it at rallies on tv in front of the mics. as you and i know well, from covering him for a long time, he can be very different depending on what crowd he is playing, two and when he knows that he is playing to the probation commissioner and his probation officer or the person assigned to the case. i am expecting that he was slightly more subdued now, do i think that that means that he said you re right. i feel terrible about all of this. no, i find that very unlikely, but i doubt that it was spoken version of the all caps truth, truthsocial posts and part of this process is family members, friends can submit letters to the court on the defendants. the felons behalf do you think that ll happen in this situation? actually do think that there are a lot of people who are potentially going to write testimonials. we ll see if that happens, but we certainly saw that he and his aides were getting people to attend the trial. normally, when people do that, it s so that the jurors can see sympathetic people around the person is in trump s case, it was so trump could roll heavy with elected officials for the most part. but i could see efforts by his family members, by friends. he went to court a couple of times with steve witkoff, one of his oldest friends whose real estate investor from new york, i could see people like that sending in notes to the judge. yeah. it s interesting. i also wonder the vp contenders who also started showing up, the doug burgum is the jd vance s making very clear. it s also a question whether they would say something on his bath or there s doing it on on television and interviews. my assumption is that they are much likely are to do it to the cameras than they are to the judge because they re playing to a different audience than the judge. their plan to trump seated senior legal analyst elie honig is also your elie you when we look at this, how much impact does what happened today in this whole pre-sentencing report that s gonna go to the judge how much impact does that have on the actual sentence itself? these reports matter. they re not binding on the judge, but they absolutely matter because this is the first time you hear from some sort of neutral third party trusted by the courts, probation department, and i promise you, whichever side likes the recommendation will say, look, the probation department is with us. there on our site and just to give you a sense of how closely he held this information is when we would get these pre-sentence report sent to us as prosecutors, it would come in to emails first and encrypted email that you couldn t open unless you had the code and then a second email giving us the password to open it. so that s how confidential this information is kept. it seen as is proprietary, it s private information, it s personal information, so it s very closely guarded by the courts. does it ever make a difference to the prosecution of what they re going to ask the judge for in terms of sentencing, when they look it over port like this for sure. because let s put ourselves in alvin bragg s position here for a second. this is going to be really close call at sentencing. what does alvin bragg? i think he s likely to ask for some term of imprisonment. i think it s hard for him to bring a case like this. just to get 34434 convictions and then say, we re fine with probation. and if probation, the probation department itself has come in first and said, we recommend prison. it s much easier as the da to say we agree with them. yes. do that there s a lot of information in this pre-sentencing report that it actually could pertain to his other legal issues that he s dealing with from the civil ones here in new york, but also the other criminal cases. could that complicate anything? i mean, is that why todd blanche attended this today? would normally an attorney would not be present for it, happy if i had a client who had three other pending indictments and several civil verdicts in the process of appeal, i would absolutely insist on being there because what he says can be used against him in certain circumstances. another thing to keep your eye on here is now the trump s been convicted once he sentenced in new york that could actually bump up his punishment if he s convicted in the other cases because those cases, what you do is you calculate a person s criminal history. now, he has a criminal history. you re agreeing maggie? impact. do you think it could have i think it could have all of the impacts that le just described. i also think that it could end up being i m not sure that this will happen, but because it hasn t happened yet, but it could end up being a factor in whether prosecutors, any of the other cases and led correct me if i m wrong? if they want to suggest that this impacts his release conditions from those indictments. now, again, i don t think that s likely, but i do think that we have seen jack smith raised concerns about his attacks on the fbi. judge cannon, in that case, the mar-a-lago documents case, did not agree with them. it s just something it s more grist to the prosecutors can point to but if he s not if there s not jail as a result of this. i mean, even if he s checking the probation officer, that would be pretty remarkable in the homestretch of the presidential campaign. yeah, have a curfew. i do sometimes and to have a geographic restriction, i mean, the conditions or probation chen can differ quite a bit, but i do want to make this point, even if judge merchan sentences trump to prison. and i think there s a decent chance he does. that sentence will almost certainly not be imposed until after appeals. and i assume that he is going to differ the sentence until after the appeal is ongoing and set aside. and then that likely gets us till after the election. and of course we know trump is going to appeal this. elie honig when mega man great to have you both to start off the show tonight, coming up here, trump s co-defendant in georgia smiles for his new mug shot in arizona here what rudy giuliani said after he just posted bail and arizona today. but first the helicopter pilot who flew hostages out of gaza is now speaking out as we are seeing new video showing that rescue happening. israel s ambassador to the united nations is here to weigh in the source. we ve kaitlan collins. he s brought to you by up devo plus your voice. find out more at up devo.com. if 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on daylight, we typically this kind of stuff seems to happen at night. it was interesting that it did happen and daylight when i was in combat truthfully, kaitlan, we did normal conventional operations in the daytime and nighttime was left mostly for the special operators to do these kind of hits within our area of operation. so to do this in daylight, is just phenomenal to me that takes even more training. but they had to get in there, they had to see the ground and they had to see the train that they were operating on. and what does that tell you about the hostages? notice they re being held and buildings and apartments we know some of them were told are being held in tunnels, but clearly some of them are being moved around and being held held in buildings, but held in palestinian homes where palestinians were aware that they were there this is the coercion that hamas has on the local residents of gaza. and it s right smack in the middle of a neighborhood. and in fact, a un relief agency building was nearby. we have seen this throughout the campaign that these kind of operations by the israeli defense forces are taking place in neighborhoods with mosque, with hospitals, with schools. all of it within the environment of the palestinian people. it s remarkable, general mark hertling great to have you here tonight. also, your tonight, israel s ambassador to the united nations go out or dawn great to have you back. i do know how the hostages are doing. what would ve israeli officials heard about them they said that they re doing well, obviously they need psychological treatment and other kinds of treatment to recover from what they ve endured. but thank god, there they re at home and they are with their families. and that s the most important thing this were four people who were rescued. this puts the total that israel has rescued of hostages since october 7. its seven people. and obviously, it s undeniable that this is a success for the families and that they are happy to see this but also the question is do you, are you worried that it jeopardizes a potential bigger hostage agreement with hamas to release them on the contrary, i don t think he jeopardizes the bigger hostage deal since we had the first deal, hamas refused every for was put on the table. there were own ready. today we re where we had the fourth security council resolution that passed, but we had three previous ones that were rejected by hamas calling for the release of the hostages so it s the only thing that can work is this combination of diplomacy applying international pressure on hamas that started only today with the resolution that passed in the security council. and using our military might. but you can t what israel has not been able to do is rescue all of them through these special ops operations that are happening. we just talked about the difficulty of it. you can see they is so i do think that s a real question tonight of what it means for for a hostage deal, for getting the rest of the hostages home i don t think we forget them. i mean, we we are willing to sacrifice. you saw we are losing when we paying the ultimate price are best soldiers or lose all right sacrificing their life to save the hostages. hamas does the opposite, but what other choice do we have as long as hamas refuses to every hostage deal, i mean, president biden said ambassador linda thomas-greenfield said, the resolution said that we accepted the new hostage deal we are accepting the outline that appeared in the resolution today. i want to ask you about what happened at the united nations today. but on this, israel s facing a lot of backlash internationally because of how many palestinians were killed as a result of this rate, how does israel justify how many fatalities? it s worth going in and conducting a raid like this in broad daylight when civilians were obviously out. sadly, sadly, you cannot interview here one of the hamas commanders because he s the right address to ask him this question. it s not us to justify. they re putting their own civilians in harm s way. what other choice do? we have? any country would do the same in order to release and rescue their hostages. and still, we don t know the real numbers of un-involved civilians. there were so many civilians. there that we re cooperating with hamas to keep, to keep the, you know, to keep the host the jezzine in apartments to report to hamas when our forces are getting closer and many times, we know that hamas is using civilians that are not affiliated with any terrorist organization, but still they are terrorists. so we cannot still use the terrorist numbers, as you said these are hamas numbers, figures 200 276, and we regret the loss of life. we always, when there s an opportunity and there s an option, we want this civilian population, we hope that they re not going to stay in harm s way, but you re not denying obviously innocent lives were also lost as a result are you soon i assume, yes. and i regret it and i it s a tragedy, but we cannot i mean, if we don t put the blame on hamas, we are helping and advancing their strategy because otherwise, other terrorists, we are going to use the same strategy in many other countries. if you can abduct innocent civilians and then hold them in civilians apartment and think that you have immunity. it s not going to work. we will never defeat terrorism. let s talk about what happened at the united nations today because you just mentioned in that security council the resolution that passed, it is the first time we ve seen something like this passed since october 7 happened in the eight months since the war happened, you are present for the vote today, but you didn t address the security council. why not? well, i thought that we don t want now to emphasize any differences. i know when sometimes when i speak, people are listening to me and they re listening to what they want to listen to so we preferred to lower the tone today as i said, we accept president biden s first of all, we respect him and we are grateful to all of his efforts and his administration efforts. we accept and we accepted the outline of the deal, but i have to admit we had our concerns about the way it will be interpreted by hamas. that s why we held an intimate dialogue with our american counterparts once our security concerns were addressed so we accepted the deal. you said you had concerns. this is a resolution calling for an immediate it s fire, ultimately a permanent one, and the release of all hostages. can you say tonight that israel unequivocally backs this resolution again, it depends on the interpretation because there s phase one, phase two, phase three, moving from phase one that caused, now for the release of the world on the than the women and the elderly that should be done by hamas. and then moving to phase two, that, then you get to the permanent end of hostilities, ceasefire. it needs to be it depends on upon an agreement that should must be achieved between the parties. one of our conditions this is not only the release of the hostages is also the future of gaza, and we cannot agree to hamas continuing to be the rulers of gaza because then gaza will continue to pose a threat against israel. but this still is israel s proposal. why can t netanyahu say right? he supports it well, i don t know what he said to secretary blinken today when they met. the fact that the fact that i wasn t instructed to speak out against the deal means that we accept the deal wouldn t it mean that you re supported. if you could come out and say you supported it. but i m i m saying here that we accept the deal. again, it s pretty much depends on the way it will be interpreted by the negotiators because hamas years let s say answer, you re saying we support it but you re not just saying unequivocally that israel does support it because the words are very important, because when it, when you say that, if the negotiations continues after six weeks, we need to continue with the ceasefire. so hamas can exploit this clause and continue with endless and me in, in glass negotiation, that means nothing. obviously that wasn t the meaning of president biden when he outlined his just to be clear, even if hamas comes out tomorrow and says yes, we accept this israel still wants to negotiate what it would actually look like to implement. all know, there s, if hamas accepts it and you listen carefully to what they said today. they said empty words, they welcome the resolution, but they still didn t say that they accept the deal. they know exactly what is the deal already? for sure they know the first phase, phase one, so they can say yes to phase one, we will see hopefully the release of the women, the elderly, the wounded. israel will hold its fire for six weeks and then there will be negotiations on moving to the second phase, which is the permanent ceasefire, but it depends on some conditions that needs to be negotiated. the resolution says that upon agreement between the two parties, the parties not only two parties there there will be other parties as well. we ll see what they what they say, ambassador gilad erdan, thank you for checking. ahead. rudy giuliani is latest mug shot after he just posted bail to de in arizona, but still spreading lies about the 2020 election. my next guest is worried about misinformation in this election, arizona s secretary of state will join us here with a new ai video that he created as a warning to voters the most anticipated moment of this election. and the stakes couldn t be higher. the president and the former president one stage two, very different vision genes for america s future. this cnn presidential debate thursday, june 27th, nine live on cnn and streaming on max have heart failure with unresolved symptoms it may be time to see the bigger picture. heart failure and seemingly unrelated symptoms like carpal tunnel syndrome shortness of breath and irregular heartbeat could mean something more serious, called attr cme a rare under-diagnosed disease that worsens over time. sound like you call your card pretty allergist and ask about attr cm, nine out of ten people don t get enough fiber. bennett fiber is the easy, gentle solution for every day. it s plant-based prebiotic fiber nourishes good bacteria in your gut, working with your body to promote digestive health with so many ways to enjoy benefit number is your fiber, your way? 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oh, my goodness. no. why not? i m very, very proud of it. there was a substantial amount of vote for the one on here that was covered up probably one of the biggest conspiracies in american history joining me now, arizona s secretary of state, adrian fanta and secretary, it s great to have you just for context for everyone, you are precisely the recorder and maricopa county. you are on the front lines of the election in 2020. so obviously you have great experience with what, what actually happened in the 2020 election. i just wonder what your responses to hearing rudy giuliani he say that he has no regrets about the efforts to try to overturn the election. there. well, first thanks for having me on and second, i stopped taking rudy giuliani seriously after the borat tape and so i m not going to countenance any of his lies further than they need to. he s been indicted and he isn t and it s an until proven guilty. and that s really what the process is that we re fighting for. we think the rule of law should be applied to every person regardless of their station and that s really, i think where it ends and i know you can t talk about the specifics of the case, but the other thing that he said there that caught my ear was he said that there was a tremendous amount of evidence and that there was an abundant amount of evidence. i mean, you oversaw the counting of the ballots and maricopa county, was there a tremendous tremendous amount of evidence of voter fraud from what you saw? well, i m glad you pointed that out because the 2020 election actually was the election where i was running for reelection and unfortunately the voters had a different opinion than i had and i ran the election. that was my own loss. and we know that the elections are solid in arizona. they always have been the people that run them have run them with honor and integrity for a long time. i can t say the same for folks who have been proven wrong over and over and over again. in every actual inquiry that has occurred. and so we re going to let the process play its way out and let the chips fall where they may, for these folks who have been accused. as you look ahead to 2024, you did something recently that is really remarkable. what you created this ai generated video of yourself, it looks like you, it sounds like you. i just want our audience to see this video that just as a reminder, is actually not real this is an impersonation of arizona secretary of state adrian fontes using generative ai. the video was created as part of the arizona election security and ai tabletop exercise for the media our goal is to make sure folks understand the capabilities of current deepfake technology and the dangers it poses to the public i mean, it s unsettling to see that, to hear that, to look at you right now in real life and i just wonder the fact that that can be so easily done, how much it concerns you about what election workers, election officials like yourself are up against. well, this is one of the reasons why we started engaging ai experts and training our own elections officials in arizona last december during a tabletop exercise, we want to make sure that our folks are as well prepared as possible that these things are not new to them. if and when they get used in malicious ways against them, or our voters. that is really what this is about being prepared for possibilities. we do all kinds of other preparations in election administration if we ve got delivery trucks, we ve got backups. if we have electrical systems, we ve got backup generators deployed this is part and parcel of the new reality in election administration and it would have been irresponsible of me as the chief election officer and arizona not to prepare my folks. it s just like when i was in the marine corps, you use the tactics and the weapons of the enemy to prepare yourself for the impending battle, hoping that that battle never comes secretary of state, adrian font says, thank you for joining us tonight thank you for having me. also tonight, we re tracking some vip stakes developments because one leading contender is revealing some of the questions that they are being asked by the trump team. including, have you ever committed a crime sirens are going off and the tornado here i m thinking, i m going to die. and i thought that was it fallen earth with the liev schreiber sunday at nine on cnn her appointment and 30 minutes. okay one. remember, i don t want surgery from i do patreons contraction two, i don t want to wait for my contracture to get worse. three, i want to treatment with minimal downtime for i want to non-surgical treatment. goodbye. and five and if non non-surgical treatment is an auburn i ll get a second opinion let s go take charge of your treatment. if you can t lay your hand flat visit, find a hand specialist.com to get started that s rob. it s scientifically formulated to help you take charge of your health central gives everybody a healthy foundations supporting your i m yours you did plus try centrum silver. now clinically proven to support memory in older adults. in the next 30 seconds, 250 couples will need to make room for a nursery. 26 people will go all this family. we ll get two bathrooms and finally, one vacation or we ll say yeah, i m going to live here that as a euphoria subsides, their realisation hits i can see the house don t worry, just sell and buy in one move when you start with open door. wow. oh yes start with an all cash offer at opendoor.com kevin bought the tape. i ll put it on my chase freedom unlimited car and i m a cashback on a few other things too dark with the sale system. all right. from deep step one more thing, the team hold it gets five minutes. gay cash, rows i like it. i ll break the clay back like a pro would chase freedom and limits. how do you catch? 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unclear to me, i still think it s remarkable less than the uncharted territory that we re in. you cannot work in the west wing. i could not have worked in the west wing if i d ever had a felony charge, yet, there s a very real chance we ll have a president overseeing the west wing who has 33 or 34 felony charges on him? yeah. that s a good point. i mean, what do you make of that question? have you ever lied, you know, kind of what this process is looking like for these potential confounders look, i go back to the voters. i think that voters actually care if there s this kind of history. and i think the criminal conviction that trump has had is going to matter. dad. i know there s some polling suggests otherwise right now, but i think it s going to matter in the end. so this actually is important because if, for example the process that they have says it doesn t matter if you ve lived are commit the crime. that s going to come back to hurt them if they say, oh, no, no, we must have a vice president who s never, ever committed a crime it kinda advertise is the problem with the top of the ticket. and i think one thing we can say for sure, top of the ticket dominates here in a way we ve rarely seen, vp is going to be so much marginalized compared to past races but this question kind of speaks volumes well and the question is also, does it affect the margins because that is going to be incredibly important in this election. and so when you, what i ve been talking to people and tell me what you ve heard as well. is that it seems like it s jd vance, doug burgum, and marco rubio who ve risen to the top of who s under consideration electorally speaking, who do you think would be the most beneficial to donald trump s ticket i haven t publicly stated any favorite. they come a strengths and weaknesses. i m sure if you come up with a list of seven or eight names they all bring their own positive electoral history and they have their positions on issues that might have more symmetry with a, an electorate. but that s ultimately up to the present to choose who he wants to be his running a bunch of races. you just read one here in new york. i mean, that is something that people take consideration. one for me, i think in 20241 of the best skills is going to be the ability to get into cities, to go talk to longtime democratic voters about issues that they care about. their are disenfranchised voters out there who aren t going to just come around and vote for your ticket? i ll be this saturday in detroit. i ll be speaking a few hours ahead of president trump. we saw president trump go into the south bronx. i found during my race for governor, as i was talking to asian voters and black motors and hispanic voters when you show up and you don t pander, you show up and actually talk to him about the quality of education in schools or crime, or mental health challenges, or homelessness and more on the issues there are these issues that transcend blind partisan loyalty. so ultimately if you haven t asked me what traits as far as getting out in campaigning and making a difference, i would say it s the interest, the willingness, the ability to get out, not just talk to republicans who may be already with you, but being able to win over the support of democrats, saying that you should be under consideration. you re going to say all right now i will nominate julie sure. that ll help my thoughts. the first to speak up for it has somewhat like good stuff in the cup the vp doesn t necessarily matter beyond what can you add that the top of the ticket doesn t donald trump need somebody who can be a monster fundraiser? he s lag joe biden. this cycle. he needs someone who can go and campaign independent of him. he is going to be tied up in courtrooms. he s gonna be busy who can go out turnout crowds, and reach voters who we maybe hasn t been able to. and then he wants most fiercely loyal to him. and this is the key thing. and you were somebody so you know this i know personally it s somebody who would not do what mike pence did on january 6. that s been a bit of aliveness test and some of these discussions, i think rubio and bergen make a lot but of sense i am kind of stunned though, that there s only really one woman and consideration and she s kinda considered the second tier considering that abortion is one of the top issues this cycle, trump s consistently been bleeding support with suburban women. and i think having a woman in contention would be a huge boom. i hear you, but i have to say, i think it s past that point for them yeah the first time in american history that a right has been taken away. the right to choice has been taken away by the supreme court. those people named by donald trump, having a woman as vp is not going to erase that. there s no way you can make that up. and i think the challenge here is none of these figures that are being talked about for vp are big enough. to really have an effect on the election. they re not going to win the swing voters over. i think this is a key thing. you just said, right? suburban women are going to determine this election right now, that s something that s gonna help joe biden in my opinion, and those swing states, who of these folks that donald trump is looking at for vp are possibly going to help to change that balance. i don t see any of them as decisive. trump has just two dominant and he has crossed the rubicon on issues related to women in such a profound way, vp is not going to say, do you believe any of those three names that could help with that? i mean, a marco rubio or any of those names that could potentially help with some of those voters are two seats. i think first the foremost, the most important trait we re talking about one quality a few minutes ago about winning an election november the most important trait is somebody who can fill the position of being president of united states and that really should be like the top three priorities of picking them. and there are talented people here. i mean, you mentioned doug burgum is a governor of a state and he was a wealthy the businessman and marco rubio is he s a good messenger and he speaks spanish and he can get out and communicate with a larger demographic. but if you go down the list, you jd jd vance, cia, he come comes on your show and you might ask him tough questions and he s ready for, and he ll give you tough answers and you re ready to go back to them and i think the audience likes to watch the back-and-forth there. there are talents by don t think anyone really is going to change the election as a vp of them are particularly presidential in my opinion, respectfully, and i can say democrats and republicans, i can say different or the same analysis for people in both parties these particular folks don t strike me as the person who s going to step in if they were ever called one dynamic though that i think i just want to finish. i just don t think it would be very interesting and valid. trump said, i m going to go for a really well-known, highly respected kind of crossover american figure, someone that people could see as their president. i don t think the people we re talking about here meet that standard. i just think that when you get to a vp debate and you get one shot right? there might be as few as one debates. one debate. and vice president kamala harris is onstage with that candidate, and you re talking about these issues related to the border or the economy, foreign policy and energy. and you re flushing qing out, not just your own positions as a candidate, but really the positions of your ticket and your party in a moment, there s someone there when mike pence arguably beat vice president commonly harrison. a debate in the next day, donald trump s stepped on the entire message at the end of the day donald trump s fatal flaw since he wanted 2016 is not being able to pivot to a general election. he s out there this week and talking about wind turbines and sharks and boats and sinking, not talking about issues voters, qarrah, always talking about rage and retribution. so you can have the best messenger out there. i think mike pence was arguably the best person he could have chosen navigated the trump dynamics in a way that wasn t better could i think i don t know that anyone s going to be able to bring him back to these independencies right? 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i think we are going to get a verdict tomorrow. i mean, it s not a complicated case. we only had four days worth of evidence. the jury certain lee knows what the issues are i don t think they have to spend more than tomorrow on this, but i think if they don t get a verdict tomorrow, you could be looking at a hung jury here because, like i said, the facts are not that complicated and the legal issues really aren t that complicated. and as we know, if it s a hung jury, they ll try to send them back in, like what we were speculating with the trump case as well. yeah. they would get an allen charge, which is a charge to tell them to continue to deliberate, but they ll also be cautioned not to give up their firmly held beliefs. so it s time for the sake of coming to a close. jurors light want to reach verdicts. they know they re supposed to reach a verdict, but sometimes they can and sometimes allen charge is working, sometimes they don t. i wonder what you thought because you re always we re always trying to get the minds of the jury. we don t know what they re actually thinking, but what do you think they took the prosecution s closing argument today not to pay attention to who is in the room. i mean, it was a pretty clear comment directed at the first lady jill. i mean to refer to people in the gallery are not evidence. i think that was the direct quote to refer to the first lady as people in the gallery. i think it could have been very off putting. you have to assume that the biden family and forget about what you think of joe biden, forget about what you think of hunter biden. i m sure jill biden enjoys a good reputation in the state of delaware. the rest of the biden family, it seemed like a little bit of a cheap shot. i think the prosecutors felt like they had to acknowledge what they perceived as the elephant in the room that you have the biden family there, but it wasn t inappropriate. they were all close family members, right? it s not like, you brought in political allies or people that you wouldn t normally expect, people you wouldn t have thanksgiving with? yeah. if you were the attorney representing hunter biden here, would you have sent the family million? oh, absolutely. i would have had the family that interestingly, i think i would have considered bringing the president there just for the summations now, you can t bring the president there for the whole trial because people say, well, doesn t he have better things to do than sit here for a week, but for summations for a few hours, it would not have been inappropriate to do that s interesting. so you think a president biden being in there would have been helpful? i m sure that discussion was had between the biden family and abbe lowell and they decided against it. and i can understand there are reasons to decide against it, but if you do bring the president there, it does show respect for the system that he s there sitting as a father interested in the fate of his son, but he s not there. and you would have to acknowledge it. he s not there as the president of the united states he s there as the father of hunter biden? yeah. i mean, it is remarkable. abbe lowell going 90 minutes today with the jury was closing their eyes and some points. is that a bad sign look, it s it s not great, but you can t read too much into that. yeah. we re not us to bill, we will be waiting to see if there is verdict tomorrow. thank you for joining us tonight. thank you all so much for joining us, as well as we continue to
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said maybe that s an undervaluation. credible. all right. thank you very much. nick watt and thanks to all of you as always, ac30, 60 starts now tonight on 360 real warriors and people don t. trump is now calling warriors, namely the violent mob that storm the capitol, keeping them on it let s take the difference also tonight, hundred biden s fate now in the hands of a jury, how the defense and prosecution did and making their case. plus the latest in a string of cnn exclusives on deck kids of sexual abuse, the coast guard academy. tonight of coast guard official breaks are silenced and says she was part of what she now calls a cruel coverup. good evening. thanks for joining us. we begin tonight. keep romanness with something the former president has been saying a lot lately. and what it says about him. sunday as president biden was visiting the american military cemetery outside paris and frehse, marking the 80th anniversary of d-day and at normandy, donald trump was saying this there s never been people treated more horrifically. then j6 hostages. but those j6 warriors, they were worries but they were really more than anything else. they are victims of what happened all they were doing is protesting a rigged election that s what they were doing and then the police he said, going go in, go in, go in water, set-up. that was that s the former president of the united states sunday in las vegas. and just to refresh your memory, these are the people he was honoring, specifically the ones in prison for crimes they committed on january 6 or jail awaiting trial. and it s certainly not the first time he s called these people hostage. ladies and gentlemen, please rise for the horribly at unfairly treated very six toss ditches it s now part of his routine that recording. he standing and saluting four features him saying the pledge but of allegiance while these inmates, whom he calls hostages sing the star spangled banner and calling them hostages in november after actual hostages were taken by hamas reading a daring military operation in gaza after almost eight months of mental and physical torment at the hands of hamas. and we ll have more on that tonight. but those are actual hostages. trump would have you believe the january 6 inmates are hostages and also warriors and victims? he said that two victims he also claims were invited in by police. so they re warriors and their hostages and their victims. and they re also according to him, lovers the love the love in the year i ve never seen anything like it. there was also a loved fast between the police, the capitol police, and the people that walked down to the capital so stir that in with all the rest. and here s the former president is reshaping the attack on the capitol. peaceful protesters full of love invited into the capitol by police who loved them and return, but who somehow tricked them and made them victims, who then turned into warriors who are now being held hostage. let me introduce you to one of these man who s presumably a warrior and trump s size daniel rodriguez, this is his photo was posted on social media by username deepstate dogs. rodriguez was part of the mob that attack police with metal poles and bateson stolen riot shields and chemical spray. and in his case has stun gun. he attacked officer michael fan-owned with it, who later suffered a heart attack and traumatic brain injury rodriguez pleaded guilty like so many others have and was sentenced to 12.5 years in prison. his is one he s one of the people, the former president is calling a hostage. and it shouldn t come as a surprise that trump is unfamiliar with what a warrior actually is. casey is watching, here s one from d-day technician fifth grade john jay pinto junior. he waited through machine gun and artillery fire carrying a vitally important radio assured omaha beach, which he did despite being wounded once then again, making several trips back through enemy fire to get more equipment ashore until he was wounded a third time and died technician pender was awarded the congressional medal of honor posthumously. president trump refused to visit the same cemetery that president biden. so many other presidents have over the years. and according to his former chief of staff, from being corps general john kelly, quote in the atlantic, he said, why should i go to that cemetery? it s filled with losers had he gone, he might have learned what being a awarded are truly means separately the former president now a convicted felon, met by video conference today for a pre-sentencing interview with the new york probation officer, joining us tonight, former republican congressman and house january 6, committee member adam kinzinger, also seen an chief law enforcement and intelligence analyst, john miller and former fbi deputy director andrew mccabe, congressman. first of all, what is your as somebody who is actually serve? what is your reaction to the foreign president calling the riders warriors and hostages and victims? i mean, it s. it s thick and disgusting obviously i think we have to be careful to not allow this outrage to just numb us like this really should be. and thank you for putting this at the top of the show. there should be at the top of every new show anywhere in the country at how agreed jus and terrible, this as they re not for years. the ones that went into the capital, most of them, if not all of them, have been arrested and tried. and interestingly, anderson at the beginning when they started to get arrested, they were remorseful. and then this right-wing ecosphere put their arms around them singing the national anthem and stuff and in that process can vince them that they were victims and have made them martyrs and heroes. this is not something americans that aren t completely sold out to the cult should be, should accept and we should have this be a fresh outrage every day when he does stuff like this, it s also entering andrew. i mean, i know some actual warriors. they re not people who usually view themselves as victims or just sort of helpless victims. very often, how dangerous do you think it is for law enforcement and andrew and the public when you are the former president gaslighting his supporters because i mean back in 2022, there was a guy of set about federal authorities searching mar-a-lago for classified documents. he was killed after trying to shoot his way into an fbi field office in ohio. it feels like du the congressman s point the former president just says this stuff and people just kind of ignore it. but i mean it has repercussions potentially yeah. so let s get the facts out first on this warriors claim. so as of january 6, 2024, which is most recent numbers, i could find, we ve got 1,265 people have been charged in as a part of that january 6 case 718 of them on that by that de had already gone into court. raise your right hand, sworn to tell the truth, then said i did it. i m guilty to the weather. it s trespassing or obstruction of official procedure or assault on police officers and others. so the idea that these people are somehow being held against their will for political reasons is absolutely absurd. and donald trump knows that s absurd. he knows it because he spent four hours that day watching the video tapes from behind the cloister walls of the white house in the warm embrace of his secret service security team. so he knows exactly what happened that day. he knows those people were rioters and its direction us and many of them have to their credit stepped up and taken responsibility for that. the thing that i cannot get past anderson is how many people give him a pass for saying absurd and sickening only false things like this. and you re right, these false hoods that he, that he throws out in front of his rallies and supportive it is for political advantage, but it comes with the cost of driving up risk to people in the system, law enforcement prosecutors, and others. and you made the perfect example. ricky schifflin, who was outraged by what he undoubtedly heard the president say after the mar-a-lago raid decided to take it out violently on the fbi s cincinnati field office, that could happen any day anywhere around the country to any fbi agent or other federal officer by somebody similarly misguided. also, i m congressman. it s just i mean, it s kinda it s just i mean, it s sickening that the former president basically saw this so the october 7 hostages being held by hamas and islamic jihad and others as a branding opportunity and i think according the washington post in november s when he started using the term hostages for the for those who have been found guilty of crimes on on january sales x and re-brand braise, branding them january 6, hostages. i mean, it s it s really worked it is really warped in that was various student view to notice is that he never used hostages until there were real hostages. some of which are still being held, some have been killed that are being held against their will. i mean, look, i m probably started with marjorie taylor greene two she she came up with some of that, but i think the biggest thing to take off of what mccabe said is we re all the members of the house and senate, including the ones who after january 6 stood up, lindsey graham, i m done with this guy. we had a hell of a run, but i m done you think of like marco rubio, all these people that know better, that just keep their heads down and don t say a word. this is threatening the very fabric of domain microscopy because all we have to have for democracy to survive is a basic compact that your vote, you can vote, your vote will count and the person that wins wins. that s what donald trump was tearing apart that basic contact contract. that is the only requirement for democracy to survive. and he is turn these people that violated the rule of law into martyrs. and by the way, if we don t have rule and law in this country, democracy can t survive either and he is just an absolute il, fit mentally flawed is probably the nicest way i can say it. former president and candidate for future president in america has to reject him. john, i know you have new reporting on the former president s meeting today or interview with probation officials, which is a normal part of this procedure. what happened? so today donald trump with his lawyer, todd blanche, over a microsoft teams connection, had this virtual meeting to prepare to assist probation department in new york city with preparing the pre-sentencing report that goes to the judge it was an unusual meeting in that present there was the commissioner of the new york city department of probation wanted to homes her general counsel, bridget hamline, and the probation officer who would normally be there by himself or with another officer who would do the interview. the interview was led by commissioner homes and to the official who was briefed on the interview afterwards told me that at all times donald trump answered the questions which were things about what are your living situation, any health issues family history, where do you spend more time? new york or florida? a lot of things that donald trump, but thank every everybody already knows. but commissioner home said these are the normal questions. we re going to put you through these questions they said he was polite, he was respectful, and that at the end of the meeting, he wished them well and ended the call with be safe and we just got speaking in new york city mayor giuliani, former mayor giuliani s mug shot from arizona authorities. he s been he was hard to get a subpoena. subpoena to. he found they finally did. this is his his his mug shot that s not the mug shot. will try to get it he s pleaded not guilty there to charges of trying to overturn the 2020 election results what what happened to him well, this has been an amazing rise and fall from a kind of prosecutor built on the image of thomas dewey going after the mom i ve been crooked politicians to a mouthpiece for donald trump as president. and then the lead counsel by the way, this is the mug shot that was another mug shot of his, which clearly he s gotten a lesson from that prior mug shot because this one is smiling at least that s right there prior mug shot was from the georgia cases. so now he s on his second mug shot, but he has he has he has hitched himself to the donald trump wagon, but he s also been through multiple breakups and divorces. he s lost millions and millions of dollars. he s in bankruptcy see his apartment is up for sale and it was amazing to see someone who was the face and the voice of law and order in new york city for so long and then the mayor for two terms, a law and order meir, be someone who s going on his second mug shot and who has been disbarred and barred from the practice of law in multiple places. endrew in a series of interviews over the past week, the foreign president has talked about, been asked about this whole retribution seeking. he talked about running. i am your retribution. he had said months ago. i just want to play some of what he said well, revenge does take time. i will say that does. and sometimes revenge can be justified. i have to be honest, you know, sometimes it can look when this election is over based on what they ve done. i would have every right to go after them and it s easy because it s joe biden, but very terrible thing. it s a terrible precedent for our country does that mean the next president does it to them? that s really the question so in terms of if he is president using the levers of the justice department, the fbi, to go after political opponents in a second term. how would that how would he go about that? i mean, how how feasible is that? well, i think it s entirely feasible. i mean, it s it s interesting to me that across those interviews, interviews with people who are like dr. phil and others who are trying to get him to walk away from those claims. he soft pedals it a little bit, but then you get down farther in front of the rally crowds and really hits at home it s it is absolutely clear, said it many times in front of many different people. he intends to take the levers of power if he is reelected and use them for his own personal retribution goals, which in and of itself is so unbelievably offensive should be to any american than any american president would purport to do such a thing. can he do it? sure, he can do it if he follows through with the plan that he s already laid out, this 2025 plan that they ve talked about. you ll replace those folks insignificant positions. the department of justice and the fbi and other lawn federal law enforcement entities with flunky who will do whatever he says. the first steps in this process of trumping up charges against people baselessly and throwing them in jail could actually happen. i think it gets tougher when those cases start to make their way through the courts but that takes a long time. and so i think it s reasonable that people who think they might be on the former president s enemies list start thinking about what does that look like? what could that, how can that actually play out? in your lives? and i think people are having those conversations just trying to figure those things out as we speak. interim cave, adam kinzinger, john miller. thank you. can we up next closing arguments in the hunter biden s federal gun trial. and what jurors are now deliberating and later the rescue of those four israeli hostages from gaza. how it wind down who helped and more of your back bike riders, some people would rather cry slowdown there was a golden age. motorcycles and took my breath away i built this club, added is his. my family the club is changing what do you want me to do mark writers were your door only beaters june 20, you give and you give. now you get with straight talk wireless, you get unlimited data and you get to choose who gets on 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and pastor taking up three rows in court today have known the parameter you don t abandon your friends and family tough time in closing arguments, prosecutors pointed to the gallery of supporters and said those people are not evidence and reminded the jury that no one is above the law. the prosecution directly address the most difficult element they have to prove that hunter biden knowingly lied on a federal background check form when purchasing the gun at the center of this case, the defendant knew he used crack and was addicted to crack at the relevant time period, adding that hunter would have been aware from his time in rehab that he had a problem with drugs maybe if he had never gone to rehab, he could argue he didn t know. he was an addict at the end of his closing, prosecutor, leo wise circled back to testimony from hunters daughter, naomi, on friday, when she told the jury that when she returned her father s car to him on october 19, 2018, she did not see any the evidence of drugs, but why is reminded the jury hunter s former girlfriend, hallie biden, his brother, beau biden s widow, had testified that when she found the gun in the same car days later, she found it alongside drug paraphernalia defense attorney abbe lowell countered, warning jurors not to convict his client in properly adding it s time to end this case. he compared the trial to a magician s trick, trying to dupe the jury, saying, watch this hand pay no attention to the other one. he accused prosecutors of cherry picking evidence to present a more timeline of hunter s drug use and said his client was not lying when he marked down that he was not an addict on that federal form lowell attack, two of hunter s former girlfriends who both served as prosecution witnesses in this case. he noted zoe kestan took pictures of hunter with drugs, but not in the key month of october 2018, he also reminded the jury that hallie biden could not remember specific details about when she found the gun in hunter s car? and noted hunter was the one who told highly to file a police report for the missing gun after she threw it out hunter did not take the stand to testify in his own defense in this case, a move that would have come with potential rewards and definite risks the jury will be back here at court tomorrow at 9:00 a.m. to continue their deliberations. it s impossible to say how long it will take them to reach a decision on these three counts? but i was important earlier today, and then we re also attentive as the judge explain the instructions page by page, line-by-line. these are of course, the rules that they need he to follow as they undertake this historic decision. anderson all right. thanks so much more now and how prison biden s handling the weight for the verdict and the biden family presence throughout the trial, including the first lady who went back and forth during the french visit to be in court with her stepson. cnn s mj leaves the white house for us tonight. what are things like in the white house as they await the jury? well, you know, the trial of the president s son has been an extraordinarily sensitive issue for this white house the president, and it is not a coincidence that the president himself has barely commented on the ongoing trial. we heard him, of course, make a statement at the beginning king of the trial thing that he loves his son and that he is proud of him for showing resilience as he has fought addiction issues. and then the other rare exception, of course, was recent abc interview where the president was asked whether he would pardon his son whether he would rule that out actually, and his answer, a one word answer was simply yes. he would rule that out. the president anderson has been really clear that he is going to accept the outcome of the trial no matter what happens. and that he s just not going to comment on his son s case as the jury is deliberating that, of course, is in line with the president s sort of broader view that you just don t comment on a trial file or a legal proceeding when it is still making its way through the legal system and i should just note that that is an important area where the president had sought to draw a contrast between himself and the former president, whom he has accused of trying to put his thumb on the legal system on an influence in a political way other areas and other issues at the former president has dealt with this. of course, the president has made clear he sees as being wholly inappropriate mj lee. thanks. much at the white house tonight, joining us now cnn legal analyst norm eisen and jennifer rodgers, also former federal judge. sure. shen lin norm what do you make of closing arguments? do you think he s gonna get convicted? i thought both sides did an able job in closing arguments. the prosecution hammering the evidence that hunter biden was using or addicted to drugs before and after this key october 12 two 23rd period. they don t have actual evidence throughout the day, but they have yes. and the judge in directed that you don t have to prove the de you have to show that hunter biden was actually engaged in using or was an addict around that time and they have him checking into rehab before and after the various witnesses. but anderson abbe lowell is a very capable defense lawyer and he leaned into that critical gap. and the state of mind question this has to be knowing. that means it hunter biden had to say on purpose, not by mistake i m not an addict. i m not a user. and lowell argues well, he thought he was not an addict at that time, and there s no proof he was using prosecution ahead on points not impossible. you get a defense verdict or a hung jury what, do you think? yeah, i agree. i mean, i think they ll probably get a conviction here. there s a very narrow path for the defense to win this. they really do have to lean into this knowingly and they can t prove it on these days, but prosecutors always say follow your common sense, right? like the guy has been in rehab, people around that time, there s these text messages it s about dealing and the hallie biden testimony about paraphernalia in the car. and so use your common sense, was that argument does that make sense to you that well, i didn t think i was an addict on that day and therefore, i signed this document, say i m not an addict. i think it s the only argument that the defense has a question is, can the jury accepted and i think contrary my fellows here, i friends here. maybe maybe some jury juror or more jurors who are sympathetic to what he s gone through and may have experienced something like that sometime in their life i m going to cut him a little slack and say well, on that day, maybe you didn t use so that takes care of the use. and as far as being an attic well, maybe that day he thought he d come out of it and was no longer an attic because he was doing better even if felt if he fell off two days later so they might have a basis to draw that distinction if they want to, in your experience on the bench, i mean, is it tough for juries to see past this is the son of the president or someone to be famous very tough, very tough. and the family is a cut one way or the other. i mean, just think, well, i think it could cut in his favor the families there. it s a high-profile family. somebody might indeed think that he s going through this because of that. and again, as we all know, it only takes one to cause a hung jury. so i m not as confident as my colleagues that there s gonna be a conviction here, but i wouldn t put my money on a non conviction either. you know, the prosecution is aware of this risk because the first thing the prosecutor said in closing was all those people sitting behind the defendant are not evidenced that s pretty unusual in my experience. that i actually has a little aggressive veto i mean, here are these people there to support him. lots of people on the jurors, the jury have had addiction in their families. and here s his loving family there to support them and they re going to point out of and be like don t pay attention to those people. i thought it was a little overly aggressive action, if anything, it could hide why it could have been it can boomerang because they re going to look over it when he said that, look right over at those three rows think about parents and sisters and children and all the rest of it. they could just override this if they want to know and there s also some breaking news in trump s classified documents. kids, judge aileen cannon denied the defense s effort to dismiss the indictment, but she also struck a paragraph from jack smith s indictment anderson this was a motion that the defendants had brought attacking this indictment every which way from sunday. they lost almost everything. and the question we should ask is, why did judge cannon for these relatively easy unexceptional challenges takes so long dragging it out. she didn t give one gimme to the defense it s one paragraph, paragraph 36. it has to do with what happened at bedminster that conversation about of the iran documents it s there as to give notice that the prosecution is going to introduce prior bad acts, but striking it was virtually or enough, judge and judge. judge, what what s going on? in my mind, i was pleased that she got this done so fast from may 22 to june content for her is practically speedy, so i was impressed that she didn t sit on this. obvious motion for very long. i have to tell you that motion is made in every case and it s never granted duplicitous snus multiplicities never works but they make it to preserve the record. nobody expects to win those motions. you do it to preserve so it didn t take her all that long to get this one done. i mean, given the history of other things, she has been delaying on our us surprised by the length. this thing is dragging out of in general in all the motions. but this motion was relatively fast. that s a good sign. maybe she s hearing us talking about her and she s getting her work done. who knows, but this i thought was relatively fast. and as far as that foro for be the similar act it is very clear that she that she is saying, but at trial, there may be a basis to offer this evidence, justice, and belong in the indictment. get it doesn t relate directly to the charge. jennifer, does this impact the the chance of this thing moving forward faster? i mean, the problem is we have so many outstanding motions that are complicated, time-consuming problematic seep emotions, the classified information, protection actin, and so on. it s just we re not moving forward in a way that it s good for going to trial. there s just so much should have saved those pages and all those words to resolve the other leg motions that she has on her show, she s trying to get one offer per desk. that s good. gentlemen. thank you. jennifer rodgers, norm eisen, thanks so much. i ve next new video that dramatic rescue 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forces, but they unleashed heavy gunfire searching for israeli hostages held by hamas a daring data i m rate that freed four of those kidnapped by hamas on october 7 and held captive ever since. it wasn t operation that took weeks to plan after receiving intelligence that the hostages were being held in apartment buildings inside the nuseirat camp in central gaza. on the way out from gaza. all four this is rescued our hostages israeli forces have been preparing for this rescue mission for weeks and is rarely air force pilot involved in the mission told the jerusalem post, that is one of the hostages, noa argamani got into his helicopter, has units, quote, mantle of composure melted away the magnitude of the muscle helminths struck. then he quote immediately reported that the diamond is with us and in good health, some of the special forces were disguised as displaced palestinians and members of hamas military wing, eye eyewitnesses told cnn there were also reports of large gunfire after the hostages were rescued, at least 274 palestinians were killed in the operation, and hundreds injured. that s according to the gazan authorities who do not distinguish between civilian and military casualties the israel defense forces dispute that number, saying the death toll was under 100. i want to say thank you. thank god in israel, the families of the hostages express their overwhelming joy and having their loved ones returned safely after eight months in captivity. i haven t stopped smiling since my mug was returning to me now is work continues for a ceasefire and hostage deal with 120 hostages still held by hamas there are some theories at this rate, could be a setback it s a legitimate question. i it s hard for me to put myself in the mindset of a hamas terrorists. we know exactly what it is that they re going to do. as secretary of state, antony blinken travels to the middle east to continue ratcheting up pressure on hamas to take the deal. he also isn t sure what 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debates, june 27th, nine live on cnn and streaming on max ahead of what could be an intense congressional hearing tomorrow involving testimony from the command into the us coast guard academy official there has resigned and spoken exclusively with cnn about what she says was her unwitting role in a decade hades long cover-up of sexual assault allegations at the academy. one, so per say, persuade excuse me, pervasive. it prompted a detailed report that was eventually kept confidential, even from congress. tells cnn reported it s disturbing findings last year. this former official tells cnn she believes top officials used her to convince victims not not to tell their stories to members of congress. it says she has proof sunless are potty has the exclusive interview they put me in a terrible position. how dare they do this to me. but he had me standing up in front of cadets for 11 years talking about honor, respect, devotion to duty where is there where s the respect to any of us? i m disgusted. shannon norenberg spent more than a decade as the sexual assault response coordinator at the coast guard academy, it felt like an honor to be there and help them with this thing that is so hard and awful difficult and awkward and the coast guard did tell me they were taking it seriously. i felt like they meant it until she says she recently discovered leaders had used her to lie to victims, making her an unwitting accomplice to a massive cover up up decades of sexual assaults at the coast guard academy. i have no idea that what i was telling those victims was not true. it started several years ago when norenberg was asked to take part in informing victims about a sensitive investigation code named operation fouled anchor. coast guard leaders had discovered that dozens of cases of rape and abuse from the 1980s to the mid 2000s have been ignored and covered up the attackers usually left unpunished. i got a phone call from someone at headquarters saying, hey, we want you to help out. they told me at that time that all of those investigations had already been done and that at this point, we were going to call everybody up and offer them an in-person meeting so that we could say we regretful all the things that actually sounded amazing. i took these to every single meeting. the coast guard gave norenberg talking points to go over with the former cadet s who had been sexually assaulted. an apology tour where they were assured their cases were supposedly being handled properly after all these years, members of congress and staff and dhs have been briefed on the general outline of the investigation, what was found, and what disposition decisions were made. we assured them the hey we re handling this. we ve got this. we re taking this seriously. thanks for coming forward but it turns out actually the coast guard hadn t told congress, norenberg didn t know it, but the investigation was quietly closed. so the decades of assault were kept hidden from congress and the public until a cnn investigation revealed at all last summer, victims were never given any recourse. i trusted the coast guard implicitly and i assume that the talking point document they handed me was true i would never have considered that might be ally. the cnn reports about operation fouled anchor have led to multiple federal investigations congressional hearings in an apology from the head of the coast guard, we fail to provide the safe environment that every member of the coast guard deserves. norenberg says, after seeing cnn s report, she feared she had been used in the cover-up. she found the talking points in her files recently, which confirmed it and started to read it. and i was like, that s not actually that s not what happened. they lied to me they lied to us. they had me lie. oh, my god. they had me lie to them. and actually that s when i lost it because at first i was like, wow, that s crazy. the light and then i was like, wait they used me to. lie wow they planned it as far back as 2018, not to tell anyone about this. protect the precious institution. they be trade, the victims of fouled anchor over and over and over. this is my boot camp photo norenberg says she was raped by a supervisor when she was an army recruit in 1988 and says she knows how it feels to be told there s nothing that can be done she is resigning and going public about what happened. the public needs to know this is happening. people sign up to serve their country, and this is how they re treated like trash. it s not okay. in response to a cnn request for comment, the coast guard says the talking points were created months before the meetings with the cadets. and we re not updated and then another former a coast guard official who was present at the meeting said, no victim was informed that congressional notifications occurred. i want to tell the victims of fouled anchor how sorry, i am to be a part of this terrible scheme. but let me try to make it right now. and i m so sorry. i m so sorry sometimes diprotic joins us now, what can you tell us about this hearing tomorrow? yeah. anderson, the head of the coast guard admiral live. linda fagan, should we testifying before the senate intelligence committee tomorrow? so be talking about the change hinges that she promised to make in the wake of cnn s previous reporting. and she has repeatedly said that she wants to learn from the past. she wants to move forward, but shannon norenberg s account here certainly adds the whole string of controversies showing that this sexual misconduct remains pervasive across the coast garden and definitely under gore s, that this is far bigger issue than she has publicly acknowledged. and we certainly expect that she will get some questions about norenberg s accounting of all this tomorrow as well. for friday. thank you so much. next to independent presidential candidate, robert f. kennedy jr. are the latest on his effort to get on more state ballots. also, a fresh lucky 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the anti-vaccine group, children s health defense the 62-year-old typically votes for republicans, but he s attracted to kennedys anti-establishment message, ending the form was the financial corrupt sure within government agencies and the fact that we can t trust our government agencies to do their jobs because they ve been hijacked by corporate interests. you don t think are government agencies can be trusted know why? because they re bought and paid for. i found a video rfk jr. on youtube. recent college grad katie zimmerman voted for president joe biden in 2020. but now she spends her saturday mornings tabling at farmers markets like this one in wahba, tulsa for the kennedy campaign he s coming to all voters and saying that if you vote for me, like you ll be able to afford to buy a house. first is i haven t necessarily heard biden say things like that, that appeal to me. if ultimately trump gets reelected how would you feel about that? i would feel really great about that if he was elected into office. but i i wouldn t necessarily feel any guilt because i was able to have a choice and who i wanted to vote for dog denticola is a long time democrat who never thought he would find himself lobbying trump s supporters. just switched to kennedy. what do you think this guy s go to 24. go watch reasoning you haven t even given him a chance because he doesn t ever which answer anyway, is it hard to convince trump s supporters to vote for kennedy? yeah, i actually just appreciate that he was willing to stop and talk to me, fed up with political polarization, denticola thinks kennedy can bring americans together and isn t worried about him taking votes from biden or trump a person like bobby kennedy, who is really a message of unity, a message for all people i think that s why he s going to actually pull a lot of voters from both sides back on deal s farm. i shared desire for unity to address a deeply divided country. if we don t make some changes, if find somebody who has creative solutions and had somebody we can trust, who wants to bring us together? we re gonna be in a world of hurt if it does rfk junior seemed to be pulling more votes away from biden or trump based on who you spoke to anderson kennedy s coalition of voters, they ve really span the political spectrum polling data does indicate the largest contingent could actually be those who didn t support either candidate i didn t 2020 a lot of his support comes from these so-called double-haters. those holding unfavorable views of both biden and trump, anderson even can thank so much. the news continues, the sorts we count. collins starts now, i ll see you tomorrow. straight on the source tonight. the president and the probation officers were brand new details from inside donald trump s pre-sentencing interview that could have huge impact on his punishment, including whether judge, were shawn since him to prison, were to giuliani s latest mug shot this time in
weeks. the israelis want a campaign. with lebanon even with yemen, we have seen the increased tensions. deploying troops and naval forces. none of that will stop until there is a cease-fire in gaza. s almost there is a line drawn, diplomacy on any of these friends continue. the biden administration s credit has been cleared. they don t want to see a war but it is not up to them as we have seen with the israelis on the hostage cease-fire deal as well. so i think the risk is extremely high. and lebanon is the war of another magnitude. thank you so much. . there is a lot going on tonight. the former president of the united states and presumptive republican nominee had a meeting with the probation officer today, which i guess is the sort of thing we just have to get use to seeing these days. we will talk about what may have come up during the meeting and how it could impact his sentencing coming up in a month. pennsylvania governor josh schapiro was going to join me to talk about one of the biggest political questions of the moment. how should joe biden and democrats be talking about trump s conviction and how much? we will start with the supreme court. in a mountain of ethics scandals that just got bigger, and just get bigger because of a woman named lauren winsor. in case you don t know who she is, she is a progressive activist known to approach her public and figures and pretend she is an ally, statements and then record her targets making candid comments. comments recorded by lauren winsor at the supreme court historical society s annual dinner earlier this month, the supreme court justice samuel alito offered his assessment of the political and ideological struggle in america. i don t know that we can negotiate with the left in the way that needs to happen for the polarization to end. i think that it is a matter of, like, winning. i think your probably right. on one side of the other, one side or the other is going to win. i don t know. i mean, there can be a way of working, a way of living together peacefully, but it s difficult, you know, because there are differences on fundamental things that really can t be compromised. they really can t be compromised. so it s not like you can split the difference. one side or the other is going to win. now heard in a vacuum by someone, those comments may not seem particularly striking. but remember samuel alito is one of nine justices on the supreme court. the highest court in our country. it is supposed to conduct itself with utmost fairness and impartiality in interpreting our constitution and adjudicating the laws. and one of the justices, samuel alito, you just heard him, as telling a stranger at a crowded event, that he believes that one political side is going to win. that there is no place for compromised. and for anyone who has followed samuel alito s time on the court, there is no secret to what side the justice firm and thinks he is on. look at the past few weeks. he has refused to recuse himself from a generous six case in the trump immunity case sitting before the court currently. even after reports that his homes displayed flights with right wing political symbolism including an upside down american flag in the days after january 6th. samuel alito, who built a reputation over the course of years, has been tough on crime and generally unser but that it to criminal defendants and also has a newfound empathy for generally six defendants of all people and donald trump. during or go arguments in two cases. take for example, the case of a january 6th defendant. sim allele used costumes the justice department to question people in the capital attack. he suggested that if the court does not intervene, prosecutors could seek to use it against people involved in these will demonstrations like those that take place in a courtroom from time to time. but the protest is clearly not at all same as people are smashing windows and doors to invade the capital and causing members of congress and the republican vice president of the united states to flee for their lives. in the face of multiple ethics scandals, we have been talking about involving undisclosed gifts from her publican mega- donors to members of the supreme court, samuel alito has been unapologetic telling the wall street journal late last year that the quote no provision in the constitution gives congress the authority to regulate the supreme court period. look, fairness and impartiality in both appearance and action are the principles judges are supposed to follow. especially in the highest court of the land. and at least at some point, samuel alito knew that. take a listen to an answer from his confirmation hearing back in 2006. to believe there is any room for a judge s own value or personal beliefs when he or she interprets the constitution? judges have to be careful not to inject their own views into the interpretation of the constitution. and for that matter, into the interpretation of statutes. that is not the job we are given. that is not the authority we are given. that is not the authority we are given. it is not the job we are given. alito knows or at least knew then what his job entailed. and despite all the actions and statements, he also apparently can t stand those who claim he is not living up to those standards. as he told the wall street journal, everyone is free to express disagreement with our decisions and to criticize our reasoning as they see fit. but saying or implying that the court is becoming an illegitimate institution or questioning our integrity cross is an important line. see, justice alito wants to be revered as an impartial judge. just call balls and strikes as they are supposed to. but as this new tape and his time on the bench have shown, especially over the last several weeks and months, he is actually more of a player, actively engaged in one side s struggle to win. so is giving us every reason to expect this from him, given all the actions. it also doesn t mean it is something we should or need to accept. this is the former president of the naacp legal defense fund and joins me now. i always want to know what you are thinking. but as i listen to these tapes today, i wanted to know, what is share anable thinking. we talk to a becoming two things. how big of a deal is this? i think it s a big deal. i think it s a big deal in the cumulative sense and as you point out in your opening, this is not a colloquy that floats around in the air that is surrounded by plenty of context. we have seen all these statements from justice alito, not only in his decisions but when he went to rome after the dobbs decision. we heard him in very similar ways. what is it that is disturbing about this particular excerpt of the conversation? i think there are two things. one, i think is the way in which he was bantering back and forth with this woman who he did know was taping him in a way that suggested sympathy to her position. she was saying some pretty extreme things. probably the worst of it is when she said that we have to work to move this country back toward godliness. and he said, i agree with you. to me, that is just a very shocking statement. i don t think that is his charge as a supreme court justice to suggest that he believes the country needs to move toward godliness. she spoke often of what it was like in the past and that we need to return to some period in which things were more moral pick and he was agreeing with her. i don t know what period they were referring to. were they referring to a period in which there was much more religious talk in american life but there was also talk about keeping black people out of schools? what was the time period? i think the reason this is important is because the standard is a reasonable person standard. and justice alito refused to recuse himself from a variety of cases. said it is because a reasonable person, knowing all the facts of that is what he said about the flight controversy. but when we probe, we realize we don t know all the facts and the facts he has told us are not necessarily that accurate facts. we learned that from the flag flying issue when justice alito gave us a timeline that is not up. now, the reasonable person would reasonably believe perhaps that this justice was not impartial and that is the standard for recusal. but we will never get there unless parties actually file motions to recuse and that is i am hoping that this will show the united states, which is the party and the trump privilege case and others, that they have to have the courage to demand that these justices come forward in the context of recusal practice and explain themselves. we are not going to get it from sending letters to the justices we are not going to get it from having the justices just recuse themselves because they won t do it. we need to get really serious. and of course we need hearing from the senate judiciary committee so we can get to the bottom of this. it is quite serious. quite disturbing. quite alarming. and it is not a legitimate question the legitimacy of the court we have had this barrage of across the line conduct and misstatements and disclosures that would call into question the impartiality of any court. one of the things that was striking to me too is how he blames the erosion of trust in the court. what he blames it on. he blames it on all sorts of things. i was reminded of this today. he said this in 2023. and then talk to you about it on the other side. it is easy to blame the media. but i do blame them because they do nothing but criticize us. it is pretty rich, given his actions in his own words. it is not the first time he blame somebody else. his wife. everyone attacking him. what is that about? you were talking about accountability. people watching, what should they be doing if they are just outraged about this as well? i find this just really mortifying. and embarrassed for the court. we hear it with clarence thomas as well when he talks about the nastiness in washington d.c. and we hear it with alito. it is the media that eroded trust in the supreme court. no, it is the supreme court that eroded trust in the supreme court. in this kind of teenage refusal to take responsibility for their own actions is really incredibly alarming and disturbing and i put that at the feet of chief justice roberts. he is running the court. if i were running in institution and something extraordinary happens and like what happened in the dobbs case, which is something that never happened before in the history of the court, and a decision was leaked out to the public, i wouldn t just be trying to get to the bottom of who leaked it as vigorously as possible. i would want to understand what i created or what we created in our culture that encouraged such a breach of culture and protocol. all of these things should require the court to self reflect. to look at themselves. why do you have a justice on the court like clarence thomas who is not making the appropriate disclosures? we know they are appropriate because he is making them now that he has been found out. this has nothing to do with the media. the media is doing its job. in fact, the media has often been quite kind to the supreme court including around this flag issue which we had not heard about until three years late. it is not the media. these justices have to grow up and stop being stubborn teenagers and take responsibility for their own actions. this is where the leadership of the chief comes in here and when the chief allows a code of conduct, a voluntary code, as he allowed several months ago, a code so much more weak than the code that holds all other federal judges, he is essentially allowing and creating this culture of impunity in which they create rules that accommodate the actions they have already taken. so we have a real problem, ethical problem on the supreme court appeared to be honest with you, i blame us. i blame congress. we have failed. we have counted on the good behavior and the norms of the supreme court instead of putting in place real rules that they have to follow. and congress does have the power to be able to issue a code of ethics for the united states supreme court and they should do so. we cannot blame this just on the justices. we can t blame it on trump. we can t blame it on anything else but our believes that norms were enough. they are not enough as we are learning across the united states government and we have to get serious about what kinds of protections we need in place for the integrity of our nation s highest court. a lot of homework, including for chief justice roberts. thank you as always for joining me this evening. really appreciate it. coming up, governor josh shapiro joins me live to talk about donald trump s promises of revenge. first, the nominee had a meeting with his probation officer today. we will tell you what he was likely asked about and how it could affect his sentencing. christie greenberg is a former deputy chief of the criminal division in the southern district of new york and joins me in 60 seconds. seconds. let s get the rest of these plants in. organic soil from miracle-gro has grown me the best garden i have ever had. good soil, and you get good results. this soil will blow you away. it s the martha stewart of soil. today, donald trump met with the probation officer had of his sentencing for his 34 felony convictions in new york city. and the biden campaign cochair reminded me yesterday that this is one of those times where we need to pause and reflect on the extraordinary moment we are in. can we just stop on that fact. i will talk about the debate and a second. a guy that wants to be president of the united states first test to go sit down with his probation officer. that is just an astounding statement that sometimes people walk by. i don t think most americans are going to walk by that. he is completely right. we cannot just breeze by this stuff. trump s probation interview today happened virtually from mar-a-lago which is not typical. these meetings typically happen in person. but he is not a typical person who was just convicted either. but the interview itself is standard procedure for anyone convicted of a felony in new york. and one standard question trump may have been asked is whether he associates with criminals. you know, other convicted felons like steve bannon and oliver stone and his other buddies. we should not forget how extraordinary this moment is. kristi greenberg is the former deputy chief of the criminal division in the southern district of new york and joins me now. thank you so much. you tweeted today. i will start there. that trump would try to convince the probation officer not to recommend a jail sentence. but you said probation should reject the argument. how does that conversation exactly go down during one of these meetings? i think what you probably saw this was just 30 minutes. a short interview. you probably saw todd blanche taking the lead to try to highlight positive aspects of donald trump s character that they think or mitigating circumstances and things that they think will show he is amenable to supervision. so they will say, look, this criminal conduct which he denies, there is no victim here. but they need to look closer. we are victims. the american people are victims, not getting information that he was paying off a pornography start to make sure she didn t share that could have affected the election outcome. other things i think he will focus on are, i was the former president of the united states. i performed a great public service and you should take that into account. but it is also aggravating in the circumstance because he committed some of this crime like signing the checks to reimburse michael cohen right in the oval office. you could argue that. and he will point to the fact that he is a first-time offender. you know who else is a first- time offender? michael cohen, and he got sentenced to jail for the same conduct. allen weisselberg is essentially the same old one year apart. a lot of the factors that i expect todd blanche tried to highlight today in his interview, really it is going to be on the prosecutors to make their case separately to the probation office in presenting the fact that the trial record shows all the gag order violations and to show he is not following the court orders and he certainly won t follow the orders of probation. a lot of things to argue. i wanted to ask you, i mentioned one of the standard lines of questioning during one of these probation meetings. whether or not the person convicted of a felony associates with criminals. trump has a number of people who happen to fall into that category. i presume he is going to say no. i don t know what he said but what happens if he does associate with convicted criminals? are there repercussions? there are. there if he were sentenced to probation, there would be conditions to that probation term. among them is he cannot associate with other convicted felons. and so, steve bannon for example, is somebody that was convicted for criminal contempt charge and it has a trial that will start in a few months before the judge on a separate fraud case. with someone like that, someone who he has not pardoned because he is pardoned a number of his other criminal associates, for someone he is not pardoned, i would think he would not be able to associate. these are people that like we are involved with his campaign and that he would want to associate with. so we figure he will try to do that through intermediaries if he is sentenced to probation. quite a time to be alive, kristi greenberg. thank you for explaining this to us. that is always helping us to understand. i appreciate it. donald trump is not going to be able to append democracy on his own. he will need help. and a lot of help is available. we will introduce you to someone who could be his chief of staff and who has chilling plans for a second term. later, governor josh shapiro joins me to talk about all the ways the rule of law will be on the ballot in 2024. we are back after a quick break. so i can feel and see that my lines have gotten deeper just from a year out in the sun. i m still marie and i got botox® cosmetic. i did not want a dramatic change. i wanted something subtle. and i m really, really happy with the results. it s still me, but with fewer lines. botox® cosmetic is fda approved to temporarily make frown lines, crow s feet, and forehead lines look better. the effects of botox® cosmetic may spread hours to weeks after injection, causing serious symptoms. alert your doctor right away as difficulty swallowing, speaking, breathing, eye problems, or muscle weakness may be a sign of a life-threatening condition. do not receive botox® cosmetic if you have a skin infection. side effects may include allergic reactions, injection site pain, headache, eyebrow, eyelid drooping, and eyelid swelling. tell your doctor about your medical history, muscle or nerve conditions, and medications, including botulinum toxins as these may increase the risk of serious side effects. see for yourself at botoxcosmetic.com. they say we should stop eating so much meat. as these may increase the risk of serious side effects. so we made meat out of plants. because we aren t quitters. impossible. we re solving the meat problem with more meat. i bought the team! kevin.? 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every d.a. starting investigations right now? when donald trump gets elected, should he lock them up? no question. should there be a list of democrats that go to jail? 100%. it is a terrible path they are leading us to. and it is very possible that it is going to have to happen to them. in that description, as you just heard, it is all about karma. it is an eye for an eye. fighting fire with fire. that is the story they are telling over and over again. and it is one that far too many headliners are running with. as a near public had, in the media, the story tends to be framed as follows. will trump seek revenge for his legal travails or won t he? . it implies that he is bound to do to democrats what was done to him. you see, obviously, there is a big difference between what happens to trump and what he is promising to do to democrats or anybody who he is mad at. despite with the former president and his allies claim, trump was legitimately investigated, indicted, tried and convicted unanimously by a jury of his peers. 12 everyday americans. there was a legal basis and evidence for all of it. all presented during a six-week trial. not trying to hold people accountable for actual wrongdoing but reshape the american justice system and make it a political tool to go after democrats or anyone who has done trump wrong. political prosecutions were a major goal for the maga movement long before trump got indicted or convicted. i was reminded of this this week in. the washington post published an incredibly eye popping piece on the influential figure in trump s orbit that you might not be familiar with. for what it is worth, i had never heard of him either. the former director of the office of management and budget. and his name is russ vote. according to the piece, he is a potential chief of staff for a second trump term and could wield a lot of power. a self-proclaimed christian nationalist to crafted parts of the heritage foundation s project 2025 on how to remake the executive branch a trump presidency. then back in september of 2022, before trump got indicted or enter the presidential race, he wrote an essay saying that the left to drive america into a post- constitutional moment. saying it was time for the right to reinterpret the constitution and a radical new way. he encouraged conservatives to throw off precedents and legal paradigms that have wrongly developed over the last 200 years. and their place according to the post, he laid out plans for donald trump to deploy the military for civil unrest and use more control over the justice department and assert the power to hold congressional appropriations. that is just on trump s first day back in office. let s pause on that. is not calling for accountability through due process of the law to hold people accountable. he wants to reshape the system for the purpose of punishing trump s perceived enemies. last year, he told the heritage foundation crowd that the department of justice is not an independent agency. and if anyone brings up in a policy meeting in the white house, i want them out of the meeting. here s the larger picture. outside of the week to week news cycle and the latest republican reactions, the republican line of fight fire with fire that you hear over and over again is really just cover. framing a plan to overhaul the justice system and executive branch at large. and by the way, this plan completely predates trump s convictions and indictments and what he had in mind all along. pennsylvania governor josh shapiro is standing by and join say next. we are back after a quick break. join cken, cr ies all wrapped up these wrapare amaz people can hear my thoughts? 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there is a trial and a jury finds someone innocent or guilty? or do we prefer a country where he president uses the justice department as his personal law firm? are we okay with the current system where every american is accountable to the same set of laws? or do we prefer a country where the president can just prosecute whomever he chooses simply because he does not like them? the election will be about a lot of things no question. but that is definitely one of them. joining me now is pennsylvania governor josh shapiro. he was previously the state s attorney general. i m grateful you are here with me. i want to start with what i laid out in the earlier block. basically, this idea that donald trump and his allies are bowing what they are telling supporters. simply fighting fire with fire. you are doing something with our guy and we are going to go back to you. but to me, when you look at the specifics of the plan, it feels like it is not exactly the right description. it is not just revenge but a plan in my view to reshape the system and go after their enemies. and last week, you said something that really struck me. you said i m scared to death if he is in charge with the system. is a strong statement. i want to see what you anticipate or expect. what worries you about what could happen to the system? i m deeply concerned by the system. it is why we should not put the country at risk by putting donald trump back in charge of the justice system or back in charge of the military. donald trump came out of those 34 convictions doing what he always does when he gets in legal trouble. kind of a cut and paste job, if you will. and a room with us well from my time as attorney general. he complains. he bemoans the fact that he lost and he makes up excuses and tries to pipit away from personal responsibility. remember, i was attorney general in pennsylvania where he and his cronies and allies took us to court 43 different times to try to stop certain people from voting and stop the votes from being cast. by the way, he went 0-43. we went 43-0 unprotected the rule of law and the will of the people. and now donald trump wants to come back. as he said, exact revenge. the idea he would be put in charge of the justice system and have people surrounding him that that should scare all americans. it is another example of the kind of chaos he would inflict on the country if he was given the opportunity to lead this nation. we have always been a nation that respects the rule of law and respects the institutions. donald trump has tried to undermine our faith in one another and our faith in the institutions. we didn t let him get away with it in 2020 and i hope and pray we won t let him get away with it in 2024. i will be doing everything in my political power here in pennsylvania to ensure he is not successful and the institutions stand and hold. let me ask you about something you just alluded to which is the takeover of the justice system. i think people hear that and they think it is the reshuffling of the government and what does it actually mean? i talked about this influential figure apparently and trump residence world. and could end of being his chief of staff of for trump was reelected. who knows? this is a man who openly says he does not believe the department of justice is an independent agency. i just want to ask you, what is the danger of that quick sometimes i think it feels like just bureaucracy in washington but it is much more than that. it is a lot more than bureaucracy. dangerous if he controls a bureaucracy as well. think about the justice department. he would have the power to criminally prosecute people who didn t do anything wrong but are just his enemies. go after companies that he disagreed with the products they are selling or the manner in which they are conducting themselves and to use the justice department to strip away people s liberties, rights and freedoms and undermine the constitution. ignore the courts and essentially just have his way with good people of this nation. and it should scare the hell out of everybody. remember in 2016 ever donald trump won and then took office in 2017, he and most people around him did not know what the hell they were doing and there were still a few people around him that provided some guardrails for his chaotic conduct. now those people that might provide the guardrails are gone and a lot of the dangerous people around him know how the bureaucracy works. they know how the justice system works. they know how the military works. and if he is given the opportunity to lead this nation again with those people around him, who want to do danger and take away your fundamental freedoms, that should scare the hell out of everybody and that is not the kind of chaos we want in this country. it is such an important point. it is the people that know how to manipulate and it is also the plans being written. a lot of the more online. keeping with the legal discussion here, i want to ask about the supreme court. at the top of the hour, we talked about the supreme court and specifically, justice samuel alito. and this audio come he agreed there should be a fight to return our country to a place of godliness. this comes after the reporting of a flag outside of his house that has been a symbol associated with january 6th and serious ethical scandals around justice thomas and a lot of things. it feels like there is a credibility crisis for the supreme court. i just want to ask you, what is the solution here? remember, this is the court that donald trump packed in order to take away woman s right to choose. in order to make my daughter and other women out there have fewer rights today then they were born with. so this is purposeful on donald trump residence part, to pack the court with these people that want to restrict our freedom. people that have their own agendas. and justice alito, samuel alito, is showing his agenda by the way he flies his flags and apparently the way he runs his mouth as well. what the american people need to do is take that into consideration when they go vote this november. do you really want to give donald trump the ability to appoint more samuel alito as opposed to the court or more clarence thomas is to the court. you want to give him the ability to put more people on the court who will take away our fundamental freedoms? remember that justice thomas wrote that abortion is just the beginning. the very fundamental reasoning or foundation or reasoning they used to overturn roe v wade could be applied in other ways. it could be used to restrict your ability to marry who you love or undermine your ability to be able to go out and take the medications that you and your doctor want you to take. i really fear that this was just the beginning. and if donald trump is given the ability to lead this nation again and put more of those kinds of justices on the court, it will not only set us back for four years but it will set us back for 40 years. the stakes are so high in the selection. and while donald trump and joe biden s names are on the ballot, this is a binary choice. and don t let anybody tell you anything else. there a bunch of randoms on the ballot that have no chance of winning. this is a binary choice between donald trump and joe biden. it is not about those two. it is the kind of country want for ourselves. it is whether we value freedom and care about our institutions and whether we believe we have to move forward to brighter days or whether we will go back to a very dark time. this election is a referendum and a reflection on all of us. and we have a responsibility to turn out and to get others to turn out who will stand up against the kind of extremism we have seen on the supreme court and in the white house with donald trump and instead stand up for freedom and for fundamental values as americans and continue to move our country forward. before we let you go, i have to ask you about pennsylvania. you know the politics of your state. you know them extremely well. we have seen it. it has not been that long since the convictions. we have seen a little bit of impact in the polls. there are a lot of things that will be on the ballot and on voter mines. as you are talking to voters and knowing your state as you do, you think trump s conviction will be something that helps people to decide who are on the fence at this state? i don t know how that conviction will ultimately play out. i know the people of pennsylvania, they care a lot about four basic things. they want good schools. they want safe communities. they want economic opportunities. and they want their freedoms to be protected. i think they want to be led by someone who is honest and decent. someone who actually is on their side like joe biden. all they hear from donald trump is a whole bunch of whining about this country and i think donald trump has to quit whining. quit trying to divide us. we are producing more energy than anyone before the in this nation. we have the strongest economy in the world and we are beating china for the first time in decades. more people went to work this morning in america than any other time in our nation s history. i have a message to donald trump and all of his negativity and whining, stop shit talking america. this is the greatest country on earth and it is time we start acting like it. the good people of pennsylvania understand this is a great country. they understand we have a lot going for us. and we have time to continue this path of progress that joe biden has laid out and not go back to a negative time. and not listen to the whining of the former president and instead, focus on a positive future for all of us. quit your whining. it is a good message. thank you so much governor schapiro. i always enjoy talking to you. i appreciate it. we will be right back after a quick b break. ack it himmune fight cancer in 2 different ways. opdivo and yervoy can cause your immune system to harm healthy parts of your body during and after treatment. these problems can be severe and lead to death. see your doctor right away if you have a cough; chest pain; shortness of breath; irregular heartbeat; diarrhea; constipation; severe stomach pain; severe nausea or vomiting; dizziness; fainting; eye problems; extreme tiredness; changes in appetite, thirst or urine; rash; itching; confusion; memory problems; muscle pain or weakness; joint pain; flushing; or fever. these are not all the possible side effects. problems can occur together and more often when opdivo is used with yervoy. tell your doctor about all medical conditions including immune or nervous system problems, if you ve had or plan to have an organ or stem cell transplant, or received chest radiation. your search for 2 immunotherapies starts here. ask your doctor about opdivo plus yervoy. a chance to live longer. first, we did the impossible. then, you ate so many of the impossible that we completely ran out. and now. they re backk! the footlong cookie is back at subway! organic soil from miracle-gro has grown me the best garden i have ever had. good soil, and you get good results. look at that! the broccoli was fantastic. that broccoli! i think some of them were six, seven pounds. new centrum menopause supplements help unpause life when symptoms pause it. with a multivitamin plus hot flash support. 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or the whale will they just vote for biden instead? or do we know that by your conversations? in this particular group, five out of nine of them, trump voters, five of them were going to vote for biden. i think there are a lot of people that think, somebody that voted for donald trump twice, it seems like a long shot to get them to vote for biden. but i think it is important to understand that for a section of voters who kind of held their nose and voted for donald trump twice and then saw what happened on january 6th, saw donald trump s claims and lies about the election, they were already pretty that was sort of a red line for them. they were pretty far out. what the conviction does is it moves them from and i hear this a lot from a two time trump voters who were upset. saying, i m not going to leave it blank. it got them to a place where they said, this guy is totally unfit to be in the white house. i will vote for biden, not because i want to vote for biden and not because i want to vote for a democrat but because i will vote for anybody that will keep donald trump out of the white house because he is that dangerous. you are always in the selection, especially with the swing voters or the right. for them, you are not building it pro joe biden coalition but an anti-trump coalition. and as donald trump gets back into people s consciousness which is a lot of what is happening with the conviction, people are remembering, yeah, i don t like that guy. you are seeing a shift in voters were before, they were focused on negative things they thought about biden and now they are remembering the negative things they don t like about trump. it is so interesting to watch the focus groups and listen to you talk about them. you know well and i know well that they are big moments in campaigns. we have also seen the campaign sharpening rhetoric around the convictions. and there is a difference between what the campaign says and what michael tyler is saying and what the candidates say. when you look at the debate coming up, is a couple weeks from now, what should the president be saying? he is trying to appeal to the voters and to base voters. what is the right framing of language? the conviction is the elephant in the room. you have to talk about it. and you also don t get in a situation where you would just call him a convicted felon as many times as possible and try to win on points. the conviction is the critical data point in the story that a lot of the polling and focus group say we should be telling about trump which is that he is in this for himself. is running for office to protect himself from further legal jeopardy to help himself and his rich friends and to bring revenge to his enemies. it was that exact attitude, that me first attitude, that got him in this trouble to begin with. you have to take the conviction. this moment that actually caused people to brave out of their anti- politics bubble for a few minutes and pay attention to this race and then use that to tell the more broad story. you can do that in a debate over and over again and do it in a disciplined, calm falls way that is not allowed trump to drag you down into the mud. that makes a huge amount of sense to me. i wanted to ask you a similar version of the story. there are a couple of audiences biden has to appeal to. of these people you talk to and focus groups, is there anything president biden could say about the convictions that would turn them off? is there anything that is a trigger for them about it? when it comes to the swing voters, it is not just what he says but how he says it. for them, they want to see that joe biden can do this job. you have to get people over this hump that they think joe biden is too old. because this is where trump kind of wins often times. he has big lunatic energy that make him seem just more vivacious or more aggressive. and sometimes when he listened to voters, they get into kind of a strong framing where they are like, trump is bad but strong and biden is okay but weak. biden has to show strength. i agree with dan. you can t just say conviction over and over again. but he does have to go on offense. in fact, the whole campaign right now has to go on offense. we are in the moment to push. we have to stop talking about democracy being at stake and the campaign has to campaign like democracy is at stake. joe biden has to show that he is ready to go. i think it is not just the name- calling of convicted felons but being able to say, this man is unfit and i m good to go. and you have to show that and not just tell it. state of the union energy. it is about the vibes i m hearing. i wanted to ask you about you encouraging people not to be stressed. everyone should find it and subscribe to it. we will talk about it next time. thank you both for joining me. we will be right back after a quick break. don t go anywhere! dangerous ladders. gutter muck. yuck. no wonder you hate cleaning your gutters. good thing there s leaffilter. our patented filter technology keeps leaves and debris out of your gutters forever. guaranteed. call 833- leaffilter to get started. and get the permanent gutter solution that ends clogs for good. they took the time to answer all of our questions. they really put us at ease. end clogged gutters for good. call 833.leaf.filter, or visit leaffilter.com today. with fastsigns, create striking custom visuals that inspire pride district-wide. fastsigns. make your statement. if you have chronic kidney disease you can reduce the risk of kidney failure with farxiga. because there are places you d like to be. farxiga can cause serious side effects, including ketoacidosis that may be fatal, dehydration, urinary tract, or genital yeast infections, and low blood sugar. a rare, life-threatening bacterial infection in the skin of the perineum could occur. stop taking farxiga and call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of this infection, an allergic reaction, or ketoacidosis. far-xi-ga when we say it ll be on time, they expect it to be on time. turn shipping to your advantage. keep those expectations with reliable ground shipping. thanks brandon. with usps ground advantage®. the rachel maddow show starts right now. hi, rachel. hi, yen. thanks very much. much appreciated. thanks to you at home. really happy to have you here. we have an interesting show for you tonight. particularly glad you re here for it. we re going to start a ways
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the collaborationists and the nazis together were ruling france and they had been for years. there was a french resistance to the nazi rule and the collaborationists, but the nazis and their puppets were definitely in charge. i they were actually heading intoc year five of being in charge. they were really settled in, inf france. and then here comes this shock arrival. this invasion. hundreds of thousands, ultimately millions of allied troops landing on the beaches and the cliffs of the northwest of france. and they are clearly planning to take it all back. the d-day invasion, the allied n invasion, started on june 6th. now, on this date, on june 10th, 1944, just four days into the d-day invasion, the germans were reacting. they had been, of course, shocked by the initial invasion. but a few days into it, they now realized the scale of what they were up against and had started scrambling their units from all over france, turning all the available german troops in france toward the northwest of that country to try to stop the allied advance. and that included a nazi ss panzer division that had been in the south of franz. that division was ordered to essentially traverse the whole length of the country, head north to where the allies were advancing from the beaches of hr normandy. and on their way north through france, toward the new allied front lines, the new western front, this panzer division stopped in a village called oradour. pro-nazi french collaborators had told them, they told this panzer unit that the french resistance was active in this town. and they told them that the french resistance in that town had killed a nazi officer. and in response, that panzer unit decided, yes, they were on their way to the north of france to join the new western front and the, you know, the battle for the whole war, to try to shore up the german lines against the big allied invasion, but they decided on their way e there, they would stop and do something in oradour.g they would destroy that entire village and everyone in it. that panzer unit rounded up every single man, woman, and child in that village. they even rounded up random people who didn t live in the village but were nearby or who had the misfortune to be passing through the village when this nazi unit made this decision.t that nazi unit killed every human being in oradour. or everyone they could find. they killed 643 civilians. a vast majority of them women and children.or they used machine guns and they burned them alive. they looted the entire village, and then they tore down the village as best they could. they razed it. oradour.ed this is what it looks like today. still in ruins. the french decided after the war that they would never rebuild. they would leave the ruins, preserve them as they were left at the end of the war, as a memorial to what the nazis did. and we have these photos of what oradour looks like literally today, because this morning, the president of france and the president of germany visited the ruins at oradour to commemorate what they call the martyrdom of that village, to remember what happened in europe, in france, under fascist occupation. now, this is not the first time that french president emmanuel macron has visited oradour. actually, ten days before he was first elected president, he went there. he visited the village just before he was elected president. he visited in the company of the man who was then the last livini survivor of that massacre.s i said the nazis killed everyone in the village, at least everyone they could find.ge the nazis did kill over 600 civilians that day, but there were about half a dozen people from the village who, against all odds, in a miracle managed by hook or by crook to survive. the last one of the survivors was in his 90s when he brought emmanuel macron to oradour in 2017. that last survivor has since died. but today, macron went back to the site, to show this place, to germany s president. now, in 1944, about six months after oradour happened, the germans were still hanging on. but thanks in large part to the d-day invasion, they knew by the end of 1944 that they were losing. they were losing to soviet forces in the east, for sure. they were also simultaneously losing to the allied forces coming in from the west. once the allies opened that new western front with the d-day invasion, they started pressing their advantage against the nazis everywhere. not only liberating france, they clearly intend to liberate everywhere the nazis have taken over. they re pressing toward germany itself. hitler knows that his military is on the ropes. it cannot sustain the losses they re taking on both the eastern and western fronts. and so about six months after d-day, about six months after oradour, hitler decides he s going to mount a surprise of his own. he decides he s going to mount a huge german counteroffensive in belgium against the allies. the allies are basically closing in on germany s own borders and when hitler musters hundreds of thousands of men to mount a counteroffensive against them in the forests of belgium, it absolutely is a surprise to the allies. nobody thought germany still had it in them. everybody thought not everybody, but a lot of people thought the war was going to be over by christmas that year. where did the germans muster 400,000, 500,000 men to mount this new counteroffensive, but they did. that german counteroffensive started in mid-december 1944. it began a six-week-long battles that would be the single deadliest battle of the entire war for the u.s. military. aside from just the brutal toll of that battle, that was the battle of the bulge, that battle also came with its own astonishing and unforgettable atrocity. it was another german panzer unit much like the one that killed the entire population of that french village. it was an ss panzer unit in belgium. and they ended up in the very outset of that surprise german counteroffensive, they ended up ambushing a bunch of americans. and the result of it was they took custody of a large group of american prisoners of war, unarmed american p.o.w.s. and these p.o.w.s, again, they had surrendered. they had no weapons. the nazis lined up those americans in a field, the americans have no weapons. they have surrendered.ve they have their hands above their heads. they re p.o.w.s, but the nazis just massacred them in the field, they mowed them down with machine gun fire. and like at that village of oradour, what is almost as unbelievable as what the nazis did there was the fact there were somehow miraculously some survivors. there were some american gis who had also been lined up in that field, who nevertheless lived. american gis who played dead, who hid under the dead bodies of their comrades, who managed in the end to drag themselves into the woods to get away. and what happened to them? you will not believe me when i tell you this, but it would not be long before a sitting united states senator would vehemently object to those men giving testimony about what they saw. about what they survived, about what happened to their platoon mates, to the other men in that battalion. the other p.o.w.s who were massacred by those nazis.p. a sitting u.s. senator tried to block the american soldiers who. survived that massacre from t giving testimony about it in congress. he said the american people shouldn t hear it.e he said it would be he inflammatory. w it would inflame the public to against the nazis who killed alf of those unarmed american p.o.w.s.na i find it absolutely insane to think about, but this became a very strange thing in american domestic politics. i mean, there were unrepentant r leftover nazis in germany after the war. they were trying to make the allies and america in particular the real bad guys from world war ii, and maybe that is understandable when you think about unrepentant nazis who just lost the war, but you would not believe it, the zi thing that s amazing is not that there were leftover nazis who were trying to do this. the thing you wouldn t believe is they enlisted a lot of americans to help them in that project. including taking a stand against the american soldiers who survived that p.o.w. massacre ha and demanding that the nazis who did it should be set free. this became a cause celebre in the right wing press at the e time. and it helped launch the national career, the rocketship ascendance of arguably the most radical and controversial figure in republican electoral politics in the last 80 years before donald trump. while he was swimming in these very dark waters, darker than what seems possible for something in mainstream american politics he would go on to lead a movement of millions of followers who were increasingly radicalized by his increasingly radical rhetoric and tactics over time. his fellow republicans were both repelled by him, horrified by him, while they also wanted in on some of the massive political energy and fanatical devotion he attracted. they thought very seriously about putting him forward for the presidency, and the reaction among close observers of him and his tactics look so much like what you re seeing in the american press today about the e fear of a second trump term, you wouldn t believe that it isn t just a straight up rerun. in his time, the people who stood up against him mostly got mowed down in politics by the strength of his fanatical following. that happened for a very long time. until eventually, ultimately, it stopped happening.en and the forces against him prevailed. and i m telling you this for two reasons.ll number one, this is the thing that i have been working on for the past year. my podcast, rachel maddow presents ultra, now has a season two, and it is out today. episode one is out today.t you can get it anywhere you get podcasts. if you don t usually listen to podcasts, if you take out your phone right now, open the camera on your phone, and point it at that weird looking little on l circular square thing on your screen, you click on the little box that pops up on your phone, it will bring you right there so you can listen to it. you can listen to it for free. it s free to listen to. there are eight episodes of thio all together.ei episode one is out today. i hope you may want to listen.e i have been working really hard on it.n i m really proud of it, but i hope you like it. i hope you ll check it out. that s one of the easons i m telling you this story. i have been working on this story, i have been working in general on stories about other v times in our american history that we have dealt with really terrible threats to the country. where we have confronted reallyr radical people with really radical designs to undo the fundamental things that make us who we are as a country who nevertheless get into political power and attract large followings. this has happened to us before.p and the reason i have been working on this for the past couple years, the reason i have been working on these projects is because for me, i feel like i really need to learn this stuff and fast, for me, there is a real urgency to learn these stories now.no from when we have contended with terrible challenges before, ha particularly when we re talking about powerful americans advocating for authoritarianism or just flat out embodying it. particularly when it s about selling factually unhinged conspiratorial lies to the american public and half the public is mortified, mystified by that, but the other half of the public is super energized by it and they not only believe these lies, they kind of become their whole new reason to live. the public gets bifurcated like that into earth one and earth two where some people are based in the reality based community and some people are based in a different place, and that place is emotionally satisfying to them, and radicalizing them, and it takes over their lives. we are living through a moment like that right now with what is ascendant on the american righth but we have lived through it before. and i feel like i m racing to learn these stories about americans who have fought these kinds of fights before us for the simple reason that i feel like i need their ideas about how to fight it. we need their ideas about how to fight these things. we need to see what worked and what didn t when americans faced threats like this before. and it doesn t mean that fighting them always works. sometimes they get away with a lot of this stuff, and sometimes people take on incredible risk and danger to themselves. sometimes people risk their lives or give up their lives to fight these things, but knowing the track record of americans who have stood up against these kinds of dark and authoritarian and anti-democratic forces knowing who else has tried it and what s happened to them is helpful for us calibrating our available responses now. and knowing what to expect when we confront these dark movements. so that is why i have been working on this, and that is why that story is on my mind tonight. but it is also what s on the news right now. i mean, one of the remarkable things about seeing the french president with the german president at the ruins of oradour today in france is that they took that tour of the ruins of that village today, that th preserved memorial to what fascism did in europe, they took that tour this morning. just one day after the german far right and the french far right won shockingly large an proportions of the vote in the h european elections that were held yesterday. in both of those countries, the parties that did so well have ties not only to the old fascist parties of old world war ii era germany and france, they both have current ties, including financial ties, to vladimir putin and russia. when president biden and president macron of france met in france these past few days ma for the commemoration of the 80th anniversary of d-day, president biden said that he and president macron agreed on a new plan to seize russian assets inz the g-7 countries and use those seized russian assets to providn even more support to ukraine. as ukraine continues to struggle against the russian invasion of that country. president biden is just back from france for these d-day commemoration ceremonies and from those meetings with e president macron. he s just back but heads back to europe the day after tomorrow to go to the g-sev summit, among other things to rally the other nations to support this new plan, to support ukraine as muc as possible including this new plan that he and macron have just agreed to involving seizing russian assets to help ukraine even more. and, you know, in the american aperture here, what s going on in our politics while president biden is trying to, you know, rally the free world, trying to strengthen our alliances as much as possible to lead collective international will against a rogue dictatorship that has invaded one big european country already and has its sights set on more, here at home, literally while president biden and other american leaders were headed off to europe for the 80th anniversary of d-day, while they were heading off to europe for that, what was happening in the american congress? a fifth of the republicans in congress just voted that we should leave our allies altogether. that we should break up the big western alliance, that we should defund nato. and i think nobody really paid attention to this vote because this legislation was put forward by a very fringe member of congress, a member of congress who is known for her publicity stunts and she s therefore she is easy to ignore. but it wasn t just her.y 46 republicans voted for this thing.ca a fifth of the republicans in congress last week voted to defund nato. don t just forget being the leader of the free world, forget the whole idea of there being a free world at all. they saved that for the anniversary of d-day. 46 republicans voting to defund nato. and as radical as that may seem, particularly when you think about where nato came from and why, the wing of the republican party that is pushing for this stuff, i mean, on its face, it seems unlikely they would have such sway. every few days we get a new mugshot of one of their leading lights because so many of them have been charged with crimes. today, it was their presidential candidate s personal lawyer, wh has had his law license suspended, who is under indictment, rudy giuliani s w mugshot just released today after he was arraigned in arizona. you can put it up on the wall with all of the other maga republican mugshots we have accrued over the past year. their presidential candidate is a convicted felon. today he had to meet with the probation office in new york ahead of his sentences. people at his rallies not only wear tshirts and fly flags that have his mugshot on them, they started carrying signs and wearing shirts that now say rr they re proudly voting for the convicted felon. at a rally this weekend, their presidential candidate described members of the mob of his t supporters who physically w attacked congress and injured dozens of police officers, he described them in a speech this weekend as, quote, warriors. his warriors. people who took part in that mob attack on congress. his warriors. while a few days ago, two police officers who were both badly injured fighting hand to hand with that mob to defend congress, to defend the u.s. capitol, those two police officers were jeered and booed by republicans in the pennsylvania state legislature. they jeered them, turned their backs on them and walked out. these are two officers who survived that attack, they were literally injured fighting for their country, defending our seat of government against a violent attack. but the republicans who jeered at them and turned their backs on them and walked out, they want the attackers freed. and they don t want to hear what these survivors of the attack had to say. don t want to hear from the survivors and the witnesses. you want the attackers set free. we are going through some weird stuff right now. but we have gone through weird stuff before. and i do think that we can learn from it and that we urgently need to. that s why i have been working on all these projects. that s why i ve got this new se podcast out and i hope you listen. but it s not just the distant past. in the very recent past when we got donald trump in the white house in the first place, you might remember what preceded that shock election result here in the united states in 2016. our shock presidential election result in 2016 was preceded that year by some shocking and surprisingly right wing election results in europe. including the brexit vote in e britain which happened just months before trump s surprise presidential victory here. i asked ben rhodes to please join us here tonight in the wake of what is now, again, another round of what seemed to be surprisingly right wing election results in europe this weekend.y was it right in 2016 to see right wing election results in europe as a harbinger of what was coming for us in the fall o 2016? as president biden balances his campaign responsibilities right now with back-to-back trips to europe, he just got back from europe, he heads back to europe again on wednesday. do the election results from europe right now, this weekend, have hallmarks that tell us anything about what to expect here and about how weird this is all going to get?ut president biden clearly sees ouo connections to europe right now as absolutely key to the futureo of the world. does what s going on in european politics right now tell us something to expect about the future of our world here? joining us now is ben rhodes. he s former deputy national security adviser to president obama, cohost of the pod save the world podcast. really great to see you. thanks for making time to be here tonight. good to see you. first, let me ask you for some of our viewers who may not have paid close attention to what was happening in the european elections this weekend, let me ask you two questions about them. do you think they re important for us to pay attention to? and can you just give us a rough characterization of what happened in those elections?za sure. these were elections for the european parliament. e so the european union wide parliament, so the only electiop that takes place every few years in which all of europe votes. it s a good barometer of where opinion is in europe. the two headlines are the far right made noticeable gains in the two largest countries in europe, france and germany.rg in france, the national front party, the far right party that used to be on the fringes of french politics, emerged as by far the largest vote getter in g this election and to build on what you re saying, this is a party that is not only far right, they have ties to russia. they have gotten a $10 million loan from russia in the past decade. in germany, the afd party, which has ties that go back into the kind of neonazi past of germany, they got over 15% of the vote, not a huge total, but very alarming given the source here. i want to be clear, in other parts of europe, the center did hold.ur i think the real concerning factor is in the two most important countries, france and germany, we saw these far right gains. do you think that it s right to look back at 2016 and see some of what was going on in politics in europe as a harbinger for the shock election result we got in the fall of r 2016 when trump won? do you think these election results should be read as a harbinger of what s coming down the pike for us this year? i absolutely do, rachel. the commonality between the brexit vote, the vote by the uk to leave the european union in 2016 and the trump election was that it was a it was a surprise.a people did not think brexit was going to win the campaign and they campaigned on a kind of right wing populist message. the slogan was take back control. they ran against globalists and liberal elites and against immigration and was very trumpy in its message, frankly. it kind of foreshadowed what we ended up dealing with in the fall here. i think the warning in this election, and you ask mead a wa question when i came on to talk about my book a few years ago about far right parties and their commonalities around the world, you asked what lesson should we learn. i always think about that. the lesson i take from this one is that their incumbent parties in germany and france that have defended essentially the status quo, emmanuel macron has been a defender of the european union. olaf scholz has been a defender of the liberal order. people are not listening to that message right now. you cannot defeat these parties, these populist insurgents be being the defenders of the status quo, but you have to tapt into people s dissatisfaction e with globalization, dissatisfaction with inequality. sense that things are slipping out of control. it s not enough to say we re the responsible adults here. you have to kind of get down and have a different message for how things are going to change. g i think that s the warning sign that joe biden should hear, nots enough to run on status quo here. not enough to defend even the things we think are very t important. you have to meet people where they are, and people are frustrated.d ben rhodes, former deputy national security adviser to president obama.t ben, thank you for making the time. i feel like when we need to like widen the lens a lot and look at america in the world, you re le almost always one of the first people i think of.s thank you for being here. thanks, rachel. i can t wait to check out the r we have much more ahead here tonight.e do stay with us. her uncle s unhappy. i m sensing an underlying issue. it s t-mobile. it started when we tried to get him under a new plan. but they they unexpectedly unraveled their “price lock” guarantee. which has made him, a bit. unruly. you called yourself the “un-carrier”. you sing about “price lock” on those commercials. “the price lock, the price lock.” so, if you could change the price, change the name! it s not a lock, i know a lock. so how can we undo the damage? we could all unsubscribe and switch to xfinity. their connection is unreal. and we could all un-experience this whole session. okay, that s uncalled for. so let s get down to the nitty-gritty here. georgia became this kind of bench mark for principled republicans refusing to go along with improper, un-american machinations from president trump. governor brian kemp, brad raffensperger, two very conservative republicans, both nevertheless stood up to personal pressure from trump to overturn president biden s win in georgia. and of course, all that pressure trump brought to bear on georgia republicans and the ways in which those republicans resisted, that formed the basis for fulton county district attorney fani willis filing a huge rico case against trump and 18 of his codefendants in georgia. that s one story of the state of georgia after the 2020 election. republicans standing up, the record of them standing up and what they had to stand up against forming the basis for this sprawling, damning criminal indictment. the other story of georgia since that election is all the work that pro-trump republicans have done to make sure nothing like that ever happens again. to make sure nobody can ever again get in the way of trump seizing georgia s 16 electoral votes, no matter what the votes say. the most obvious thing georgia republicans have done is use every tool at their disposal to derail fani willis prosecution of trump. in the latest development in that three republican appointed judges have just put the whole case on hold while they take their time considering whether fani willis should be disqualified from the case. thus guaranteeing that the georgia prosecution will definitely not go forward against trump before the election. but that s only the start. in georgia s most populous county, fulton county, one republican elections board member last month refused to certify the primary results there. because you know, elections are scary. with the help of lawyers from a pro-trump think tank, she has now filed a lawsuit seeking the power to block the certification of elections which would of course throw november s results in georgia into chaos. which is presumably the point. meanwhile, just north of fulton county, republicans recently started agitating to take over an elections board in cherokee county. now, the board there, like other counties in georgia, has always been evenly split between democrats and republicans, but republicans in cherokee county are no longer okay with that. they wanted a full scale republican takeover, when that was blocked, they comp with an ingenious new plan. they decided they would replace one of the democratic commissioners who had been nominated with their own choice. their own choice for a democrat. a new guy that none of the local democrats have ever heard of. but don t worry, the republicans who run cherokee county swear this guy they picked is definitely a democrat. the atlanta journal constitution reported that the republican cherokee county commission chairman, quote, assured the board that the new member is a democrat, even if the local democratic party is unfamiliar with him. i assure you, he s definitely on your team. i know you have never met and i picked him, but trust me. pinky promise. meanwhile, at the state elections board in georgia, republicans there just started writing a new rule that would allow county elections boards to conduct a, quote, reasonable inquiry before they certify any election results. so instead of signing off on election results as county election boards are now required to do by law, they would be empowered instead to investigate those results as they see fit. the journal constitution notes that, quote, the proposed rule doesn t say what a reasonable inquiry would entail before certifying an election. yeah, why would you specify that? you want every election denying republican county elections board member in georgia just making it up as they go along, calling their own behavior reasonable. while the presidential election potentially hangs in the balance. speaking of that state elections board, one of its republican members was ousted last month, one of its republican members was ousted, after trump reportedly spent months calling georgia republicans insisting that that election board member had to go. because that person was not backing trump s lies about the 2020 election. and so of course, the guy had to go. trump s personal involvement in remaking the georgia state elections board is just one of the revelations in new reporting from rolling stone. their new piece is headlined georgia is our laboratory. inside trump s plan to rig 2024. it details how trump s allies are working to make sure there will not be a straightforward election result in georgia this year, given georgia s swing state status that absolutely could be a deciding factor in how the election is going to go down. what is happening there? what is happening to try to stop what is happening there? one of the reporters on that rolling stone piece joins us next. stay with us. stay with us are you still struggling with your bra? it s time for you to try knix. makers of the world s comfiest wireless bras. for revolutionary support without underwires, and sizes up to a g-cup, find your new favorite bra today at knix.com the ultimate authority is the voter. the secretary of state was re-elected by the voters of the state by a larger margin than any other excuse me. order. order. by a larger margin than any other state-wide office. the voters order. have demonstrated their faith and therefore i do not believe that at present, we have the authority to oversee or investigate the secretary of state. georgia s board of elections gathered to discuss launching an investigation into georgia secretary of state brad raffensperger who had the temerity to say no when donald trump demanded he flip the results of the 2020 election in georgia. the lone democrat on that elections board spoke out against doing this unprecedented investigation of raffensperger. as you heard, she was loudly shouted down. in a new article titled georgia is our laboratory, inside trump s plan to rig 2024, rolling stone reports this. quote, the former president and his supporters have been making concrete step by step progress in shaping electoral processes to his benefit. across the state, maga die hards are devoting considerable resources to purging voting rolls, intimidating election officials, employing legal dirty tricks, and ousting appointees who haven t been initiated into the cult of trump. it s the state where the republican party has total control over the levers of power. over the last four years trump loving elements of the georgia republican party have wielded that advantage in a crusade to turn election conspiracy theories into policies. it s an alarmingly anti-democratic experiment that trump planned and much of the republican party hope to take national. joining us now is adam ronsly, the reporter co bylined on that sprawling piece. thank you for being here. thanks for having me. so what are some of the steps that trump and his allies have taken to change the electoral process in georgia? so one of the most alarming ones that a source who has discussed this issue with trump told us, a republican attorney, is they re planning to challenge the election result regardless of the result. you know, we think of the threat to elections from trump s behavior in 2020 as only occurring in the event that trump loses. you know, at the current state of polling, trump is ahead in georgia, if you believe the polling, but what republican attorney who discussed this with trump told us is that, quote, you can t let the left get away with this cheating just because it didn t succeed, air quotes around cheating. and the plan is to challenge the result regardless of the outcome. and the intent behind that is essentially a permanent delegitimization of the election process. it s heads, i win, tails you lose. and i think you had mentioned this a little bit in your intro, is that one of the things people should be paying close attention to is that refusal to certify in the fulton county board of elections in the presidential primary. because one of the things that s very, very notable about that is that the attorneys who filed that lawsuit work for america first policies institute, which is a very trumpy organization filled with former trump folks. and what you see in those kinds of processes is the legal january 6th in miniature. essentially you re taking someone who is, you know, acting beyond their brief and trying to essentially insert themselves into the counting and, you know, assessment of vote tallies. adam, is this actually a fight in georgia? you note, i think, importantly, that georgia s a place where republicans control all of the levers of power. we just played the sound of one democratic member of the state elections board getting shouted down when she objected to what they were trying to do in terms of targeting raffensperger. is this fight joint where there is pushback against what they re doing or are they essentially running the table by changing processes to their own benefit? you know, they definitely have quite a built-in advantage. and i think that s why georgia relative to other battleground states is particularly interesting because it is more so than perhaps any other state a fight for the soul of the republican party. particularly when it comes to their faith in free and fair elections. and yeah, even folks like brian kemp, who was an absolute obstacle to trump s attempt to, you know, illegally overturn the election in georgia, brian kemp signed sb-202, a law that allows for a range of, you know, sort of procedural chicanery. joe biden called it jim crow in the 21st century. you know, even folks who have proven themselves to be obstacles to some of the more overt aspects of it sometimes will just go along to get along. and so they definitely do have an advantage. and they are running the table in certain ways, but you do see folks like you mentioned earlier, like ed lindsay, whose resignation letter we obtained in the story. people like that, you still do have these kind of principled republicans who are willing to stand up for what they believe in, but as you saw with the case of ed, you know, he had to resign under a great deal of pressure from not just president trump but from the grassroots of the party who believe in a lot of election conspiracies. yeah, the bare fact that a presidential candidate is personally lobbying to remove individual state elections board members ought to be on the front page of every paper of the country. been reported by adam, reporter at rolling stone. adam, the by-line reporters on the piece, georgia is our laboratory, thank you for helping us understand this. thanks for doing this work. would love to have you back. thanks so much for having me, rachel. i appreciate it. we ll be right back. stay with us. stay with us i m gina. i want to talk to you about golo and how it has changed my life and how it can change yours too. like many of you i ve been dieting and failing half my life. and each time i would diet i would quit and my weight and health would get much worse. i had to do something. i saw a golo commercial, i talked to my doctors, and i ordered. like me, the golo success stories are real. give golo a shot. you won t be sorry. could have been the heat, i suppose. temperatures were over 100 degrees at his outdoor campaign rally in las vegas yesterday. so hot, six people had to go to the hospital, and another two dozen had to get medical treatment on site. could have been the heat, i suppose. could also maybe have been that he was nervous about the fact that he was less than 24 hours away from his first meeting with his new york state probation officer. that meeting could be particularly nerve-racking for him because, you know, one of the things a probation officer asks you after you re convicted of felonies is if you have been associating with anyone who has a criminal record. that s worth noting because if he is ultimately sentenced to probation next month while he s on probation, he would not be allowed to associate with anyone with a criminal record. for a lot of people, that wouldn t be a big deal. for him, that s a big deal. that particular restriction eats away at his very close social circle. so maybe that was all distracting him. i don t know. he maybe had a lot i don t know. whatever the reason, he decided to venture into new territory in his campaign speech yesterday, less than five months out from the election. this is an important swing state. he decided with the land locked citizens of las vegas needed to hear about from him in order to be persuaded to vote for him was his fear of boats. heavy boats, boats with batteries near sharks. you know, nevada sharks. i know you have heard it happened. you may have seen a headline or scrolled past it on a social media feed. have you actually watched it? uncut, straight through, watched it unfold? it is very much worth watching. it s astonishing. my favorite part is the people you can see at the rally behind him who are really trying to follow along but who clearly have no earthly idea what uncle ramble standers is on about. just watch this. what would happen if the boat sank from its weight? and you re in the boat, and you have this tremendously powerful battery, and the battery is now underwater, and there s a shark that s approximately ten yards over there? by the way, a lot of shark attacks lately. did you notice that? i watched some guys justifying it today. well, they weren t really that angry. they bit off the young lady s leg because of the fact that they were they were not hungry but they misunderstood who she was. these people are crazy. he said there s no problem with sharks. they just didn t really understand a young woman swimming. really got decimated and a lot of other people. i said so there s a shark ten yards away from the boat. ten yards. or here. do i get electrocuted if the boat is sinking, water goes over the battery, the boat is sinking. do i stay on top of the boat and get electrocuted or do i jump over by the shark and not get electrocuted because he didn t know the answer. he said, nobody has ever asked me that question. i said i think it s a good question. i think there s a lot of electric current coming through the water, but what i would do if there was a shark or you get electrocuted, i would take electrocution every single time. i m not getting near the shark. so we re going to end that. we re going to end it for boats. we re going to end that, we re going to end it for boats. we re going to end it for boats. vote accordingly. vote accordingly a slow network is no network for business. that s why more choose comcast business. and now, we re introducing ultimate speed for business our fastest plans yet. we re up to 12 times faster than verizon, at&t, and t-mobile. and existing customers could even get up to triple the speeds. at no additional cost. it s ultimate speed for ultimate business. don t miss out on our fastest speed plans yet! switch to comcast business and get started for $49.99 a month. plus, ask how to get up to an $800 prepaid card. call today! all right, that s going to do it for us tonight. i told you tonight was going to be a show and a half. way too early with jonathan lemire is up next. donald trump has completed his presentencing interview with a new york probation officer after being 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america. steve: meanwhile. brian: i m in dallas tomorrow. breakfast with friends and live there. we ll talk to a lot of people on camera and buy a lot of food. steve: things kick off at 5:00 a.m. central time until 8:00 a.m. lawrence: pack the house for kilmeade, my dallas folks. ainsley: do you want them to get dressed? i will be dressed. stay within yourself. [chanting] bill: you can hear the chants long live the intifada. this is in downtown new york city and they are back at it beyond the pale. pro-palestinian protestors targeting an exhibit in lower manhattan that pays tribute to the victims of the attacks of october 7th. the mob chanting a slogan calling for violence against the jewish state. more on that momentarily coming up here. get to this. it is happening right now on verdict watch in delaware. a jury weighing whether or not to convict hunter biden on three federal gun charges. he walked in with his wife a moment ago. this will be regardless a momentous decision could come down at any moment watching it from new york city. i m bill hemmer. what s happening? dana: i m dana perino and this is america s newsroom. there is so much news this morning we ll get to all of it. the anti-israeli exhibit is disgusting and outrageous. this is something that judge jeanine said she thinks we ll get a jury verdict before noon today. hunter biden accused of illegally buying a gun when he was a drug addict. the charges carry a sentence of 25 years if prison. that is unlikely as a first time offender. bill: the defense is banking on a homefield advantage. playing up his struggles with addiction hoping it will resonate with the jury in delaware. dana: let s go to rich edson outside the courthouse in delaware, where he has been reporting every day on it. jurors should be heading into the courtroom shortly. the judge will address them briefly and go back to deliberations. hunter biden is here again. he showed up a short while ago with his wife melissa and attorney abbe lowell. there was some discussion the defense team floated having him take the stand last week. he did not do so and they moved into final deliberations. the deliberations were an hour ten minutes yesterday. the prosecution says there is overwhelming evidence that in october 2018 hunter was a drug user, lied about it on a federal form to buy a gun and illegally possessed that weapon for 11 days. prosecutors recapped text messages, testimony from hunter s texts and the gun store owner who sold him the gun. biden family members in the courtroom which included first lady jill biden saying people sitting in the gallery are not evidence. and that nobody is above the law. the defense acknowledges hunter dealt with the drug addiction from 2015 to 2019. abbe lowell maintains hunter was not a drug user when he bought and owned that firearm. he called the prosecution s case a magic trick relying on evidence of past drug abuse to prove hunter was using drugs when he bought that gun. lowell says there are no photos showing or testimony from witnesses who saw hunter use drugs in october 2018. the deliberations should be underway here shortly. whole bunch of people at the courthouse today. one of those days here. throw it back to you guys. dana: sounds like you have a fan. bill: catching the micro phone, too. kerri urbahn joins us, too. the bidens influence and power in the state cannot be underestimated. the sympathetic issue is the one that hunter biden s legal team is focusing on. size that up, kerri, for us today. of course, if you are sitting there as a juror directly looking into the eyes of the first lady, hunter biden s stepmother, looking at his family members, you have to remember this is a small town small state kind of feel. of course it is going to move you in some way and that is what i think abbe lowell, the defense attorney, has been shooting for. also why i thought it was especially significant that d.o.j. opened their closing argument yesterday by pointing to them and you have to remember there are several feet away. that s a gutsy move looking directly at family members saying what their doing doesn t matter. this is about evidence and went on to present what feels like overwhelming evidence of hunter biden s drug use both before, during and after the time he purchased the gun including text messages to the widow of his brother who died. he sent a message in the next couple of days after the gun purchase talking about smoking crack, meeting dealers and all that. dana: listen to jonathan turley on hannity last night talking about what delaware is like. abbe lowell, the defense counsel, put up a series of defenses that collapsed within two days. prosecutors methodically destroyed all of these claims. in a normal case, that jury would have been out for an hour and come back with a conviction. the defense is playing to a delaware jury. this is biden town. dana: one thing i wanted to ask you about and had to look up the definition of this so i think it would be helpful for the audience. a possibility of jury nullification. what does that mean and why might it happen here? it is pretty simple. it means the jury knows this person is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. evidence and testimony is there but decide to put that aside and basically send a social message to the public saying we know this person is guilty but we think it is more important to acquit him because of whatever the message is they re pushing. here it would be addiction. now i would think, though, they are also contending with the fact just because you are addicted doesn t mean that you have license to commit illegal acts and do all the kinds of things that hunter biden did. again, the evidence was extensive. much more than i realized. on to have of it, a rare thing in a trial. you had the defendant in his own words on tape via his audio book describing extensive illegal activity for years and years and years including around the time period he bought the gun. the jurors had to sit there and looking at hunter biden across the room they are listening to his voice describe all that. bill: leo weiss, interesting scenario you present when you are an attorney and looking at people in the audience in the front row who have been there more or less every day since the trial began. weiss said this, was he an addict? did he know he was an addict when he filled out the form? that s all you have to decide. when he decided to lie on that form, that s when the crime was committed. is it that simple? normally it really would be that simple. jonathan turley was saying that as well. we live in upside down times. this whole thing wreaks of politics. i mean what i mean by that is they could have brought this years ago, the d.o.j. this is a very simple case, open and shut. evidence is overwhelming. they chose not to. why? probably because he was the president s son or then the vice president s and new the ramifications if they brought the charge against him. the sweetheart plea deal fell apart and political pressure to change that. now they ve gone the other way. we ll see what happens. it will be interesting to see how the jury contends with all of this and we ll find out today, i think. dana: what is your prediction? do you think it will go past noon or easy for them to wrap it up this morning? i heard what you said about judge jeanine and i have to defer to the judge given all her years of expertise. i will say, though, there was chatter whether it would go past lunch. typically jurors enjoy a free lunch. so that was part of the discussion at the courthouse yesterday. dana: we got word the jury is deliberating now as we speak. we ll find out. regardless it probably will come today before or after noon, who cares, really. thank you so much, kerri. also this on the border crisis. fox cameras capturing hundreds of migrants pouring across the southern border into san diego sector. border crossings continue despite president s biden s action. they are likely to be released into the u.s. matt finn live at the border in california. tell us more. all day long yesterday we stood right here and interacted with a very large group of 400 illegal migrants who crossed into the united states in a single clip. these migrants tell us they are organized and gathered by their human smugglers in mexico and then at various times throughout the day and week pushed over into the united states in clusters. we talked to migrants from iran, yemen, china, india, moritania and beyond. we re talking border patrol agents, one or two agents see these groups of hundreds approaching, they brace for them and then once the illegal groups cross, border patrol tries to find the resources to process the illegal migrants. just outside of the san diego metropolitan a fresh group of migrants who illegally crossed freely into the united states. now these overwhelmed border patrol agents have to process every one of them. as those migrants wait, they sit in the scorching desert sun for hours. many of the migrants who illegally cross tell us they are taking one, if not many flights into mexico and then they meet their human smugglers who guide them into the u.s. i spoke to one man from india who didn t want his face on camera. he says his passport was taken in mexico, pay to get it back before coming into the united states. president biden issued an order last week saying that you are not eligible for asylum anymore because you crossed illegally. how does that make you feel? you just tell me i didn t know this news. i don t have a phone there. you just tell me and it is a dilemma. the most simple observation you can make here, dana and bill, at the united states border this is a well-oiled machine. human smugglers are abusing the united states. they are abusing our border patrol agents, and they are pushing over hundreds of migrants in a single day sometimes. these migrants tell us they are paying upwards of $10,000 plus to human smugglers. the cartels and human smugglers are being enriched off our united states southern border. dana and bill. dana: thank you for the report as your day gets underway as the sun comes up. [shouting] you are the stupid one. why would you come in here? bill: new york city anti-israel protests turning ugly in town. how police responded as groups ta targeted a memorial to victims of october 7th. this is now public, watch half a world away. [gunfire] dana: you will want to see this. harrowing new footage showing israeli forces rescuing four hostages held by hamas. bill: more bad news for the president. why a top pollster is saying it might be time for him to drop out entirely. 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[chanting] dana: chaos engulfing new york city. anti-israel protestors take to the streets in a day of rage sending off smoke bombs and flares and waving flags of hamas. bill: the violence also spilling into a subway station. the protestors glorifying the terror attack that killed 364 concert-goers alone marking it, they say, in lower manhattan as a great triumph. one word summed up. inhuman. bryan llenas has the fallout in new york with us as well today. good morning. bill and dana good morning. this anti-israel protest began here in union square in manhattan before shifting further downtown to wall street where these protestors were chanting outside of that exhibit meant to remember and honor the lives of the 364 who were murdered by hamas on october 7th at the nova music festival. protestors lit flares and smoke bombs and waved palestinian flags but the flags of hamas and hezbollah terrorist organizations. outside of the exhibit protestors chanted israel go to hell and long live the intifada. largely seen as a call for violence against israelis and jews. listen for yourself. long live the intifada. [chanting] israel, go to hell. [cheers and applause] [more chanting] bill: you could hear them cheering there as well. protestors clashed with officers scuffling over the barricades set up outside. they call it vicious targeting. mike lawlor called it disgusting. the day of rage started in union square protestors clashing with nypd officers and pro-israel supporters who showed up to counter them and the mob unfurled a banner that read long live october 7th. the most deadly attack in israel s history that killed 1200 people. holding up a banner that says long live september 11th. new york city subway in union square saw defacing on the trains with graffiti. officers in riot gear were called and inside subway cars riding inside along these protestors. through all that video, through all of those clashes, six summons were given out. three for those who didn t pay the subway and three for unknown reasons. remarkable restraint by the nypd given what we saw. bill: that means they ll be back. bryan llenas in lower manhattan. dana: he posted this. biden hit a new all time low in approval. 37.4% at 5:38 yesterday. dropping out would be a big risk but some threshold below which continuing to run is a bigger risk. are we there yet? i don t know but it is more than fair to ask. some argue biden s behavior in public is raising concerns over his age where last night he appears to freeze. dana: we ll run it in full so you can see it there. here with his reaction deputy chief of staff karl rove. your reaction. painful, really painful to watch. he also mangled his teleprompter remarks. he is old. he is really old. and nothing between now and the 146 days from now when we vote, finish voting is going to change, i suspect. bill: there appears to be this confluence of opinions and ideas at the same time, right? you have the nate silver thing that dana just read. you have atlantic magazine saying 81 he is too old to run for president. either one of those men are right wing crazies. you have to video you just played and overwhelmingly americans are against the whole student loan bail-out. that s four for four in one day. add a fifth one. he has a record disapproval rating on his job performance of any modern president and so yeah, this is not good news for him. look, it is late but remember, all the delegates to the democratic national convention have largely been selected. people who were vetted by and named by the biden team. so they are more traditional democrats. this won t be a convention nominated dominated by bernie b b bros. he said i have a lot of things on my plate. the world with big challenges, i focus my attention on that and leave it up to the convention who the nominee is. the maneuvering and ratings for the chicago convention would be off the charts. nobody would get the nomination on the first ballot which means on the second ballot the super delegates, house of lords of the democratic party could begin to vote. nominate somebody and america would want to find out who that person is and spend a lot of time the end of august deciding. it could be something new and fresh puts the democrats ahead and on their way to victory. we don t know but look, that was painful last night and nothing will change between now and november. dana: i was talking to bill about this before our show. and because you were there in the white house and many people have worked in white houses. we were there. one thing i remember learning is that when the rubber hits the road, there is only one person in our country who can make a decision, if necessary, to protect the country. and they have to be able to make that decision in a split second based on principle, knowledge gathering. you can t defer to aides when a big decision like protecting the country would come to be. i hesitate because i do respect the presidency. i respect the president of the united states. i respect the office. i respect my elders but i look at this and i think how could anyone feel confident? the white house wants to say these are selective videos, cherry picking. that isn t the case. it is happening all the time, much more regularly. i think the seriousness of this really does need to be stated. in some ways you can make fun and have funny memes. bill: it is a singular decision. dana: the seriousness here that is overwhelming right now. it speaks to the selfishness of joe biden and the biden family. does jill biden, his wife, think history will treat him well? does his sister, valerie, who played a big role in his campaigns since he ran for county council, does she think this will get a good mark in history? let s say he wins, which the more that people see of him, the less likely that is. let s say he wins. is if next four years going to see a renewed and vibrant and on top of it joe biden? no, i don t think so. and the country is not well served. we have 336 million people. is this the best that we can do for the most important job on the face of the planet? i don t think democrats have asked themselves that question, otherwise they would certainly be answering no, we the democrats can do better is what i think they would say. bill: we wanted to talk to you about nevada. save it for another day. breaking news coming up. dana, coming up. dana: we talk more about politics on the perino on politics podcast. you can catch it now. bill: the update from wilmington. hunter biden departed at 9:21 a.m. when we were speaking with carl about 5 1/2, six minutes ago. biden will have to be back in court for the verdict. he will not come back for any notes from the jury, hum. in new york trump had to be there any time the notes were read back. once the jurors indicate they have a verdict it will be 15 to 30 minutes before court gets back in session. basically however long it takes for hunter to get back there. that s the note that we have from wilmington on behalf of our producers working that story. we re on it. could come any moment. 9:28 in new york. let s get to this. today one of the most important front lines is in taiwan where brave and inspiring people build a future of freedom in the shadow of china s growing and menacing authoritarian power. bill: what comes of this? 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[music playing] dana: welcome back. 15 minutes ago hunter biden left the courtroom because the jury is deliberating and he does not have to stay in the building while they do that. we re awaiting this verdict in his federal gun trial today. it could happen today if the jury sends back a note to the judge that says we re ready to go it could take 30 to 15 minutes to be organized. hunter biden has to be back in court for that particular piece. right now he is not in the building. bill: from delaware we move to this. keep an eye on it leaving nothing to chance over one of the more contested areas of the world. the u.s. military said to be unveiling a so-called hell scape strategy if china were to invade taiwan. it calls for the use of thousands of drones. republican senator dan sullivan just got back from a trip to southeast asia and with us in person. good morning to you. you meet with taiwan s president and others. admiral, commander, i will turn the taiwan strait into an unmanned hell scape. i can make their lives utterly miserable for a month that buys me the time for the rest of everything. you want to flush that out? i m a big fan of the admiral. he started in the job and aggressive and i like his aggressiveness. i was over there meeting with the taiwanese leadership. we moved over to singapore to meet with allies that we have in the region. here is the challenge. our ship building capacity is in a crisis in the u.s. navy is dramatically shrinking. the admiral, a great plan, but we don t have the navy to execute that at all. the biden navy, let me give you some of the numbers, has gone from 293 ships to 280 ships by 2027 that s when xi says he wants to be ready for an invasion of taiwan. meanwhile, china s ship building will go to over 400 ships by 2027. we re being outmatched in a huge way. i know the admiral is very concerned about that. i ve spoken to him. dana: you laid out these numbers here. people can see the vast amount. why is it so important for us to have ships like this? that might sound like a simple question but we re in the department of asking dumb questions. is answer is obviously what it is but i want to hear you explain to the american people why does this matter? this matters hugely with regard to the our interests in the south china satisfy. the entire u.s. navy that is shrinking dramatically. our main adversary, china, is going through the biggest peacetime build-up of the military in history. this is what happens when you have an aggressive dictator who sees an opportunity. our weakness ising the secretary of the navy is not focused on ship building nor is the biden administration or war fighting. this secretary of the navy is more in climate change, if you can believe that, than he does on war fighting and ship building. when you show this kind of weakness with an adversary, it invites chaos. we re seeing that all over the world. bill: if trump were to win in november how would it change? we re heading back to d.c. in the next hour and marking up the defense authorization act. a bunch of us, bipartisan group of senators have major amendments to try to fix our ship building. i think this would be a great initiative. a number of us are talking about this already with members we think of the incoming trump administration, hopefully president trump wins in november. this would be a very important initiative that i think is tailor made for president trump. think about this. in terms of republicans, whether it s teddy roosevelt with his great white fleet, reagan who built a 600-ship navy. this exactly what republicans do. peace through strength. bill: when we went to the arctic a couple of months ago is ice breakers. putin had 54. some nuclear powered. almost all are weaponized. bill: we have two and one is broken in dry dock. we re overmatched in so many parts of the world. the arctic is my home. that s alaska. but the russians and chinese in terms of naval assets are overmatching us all over the world. we have to fix it. we ve done this before. we know how to build ships. we know how to build a military. right now with this administration, every year president biden has put forward a budget that shrinks the army, shrinks the navy and marine corps. that is the wrong message to be sending our enemies. bill: seems like an issue that goes under the radar. dana: if republicans win more seats in the senate you could have two additional veterans who are then maybe more military minded and can help you get it across the finish line. we have great candidates and we ll get back with peace through strength when president trump takes the white house and the republicans take a senate. bill: we re watching the jury deliberations in wilmington, delaware. the hunter biden gun trial. they re deliberating. i guess you could say they are in hour number two with one hour yesterday under their belt. more on that could get a verdict any moment. stay tuned. apple taking a powerful stance in the a.i. space. the after shock could have a lasting impact on the tech world and the phone that you are holding in your hand right now. dad is a legend. and his legendary moves might be passed down to you. ancestrydna can show you which traits were inherited, where they came from, and who he shares them with. but get movin , this sale is only for a limited time. they get it. they know how it works. more importantly, it works for them. i don t have any anxiety about money anymore. i don t have to worry about a mortgage payment every month. it allowed me to live in my home and not have to make payments. linda, dinah, joanne, very different people. but they do have a couple things in common. they love their home, and they know their stuff. they all talked about the counseling they got, so they knew how a reverse mortgage worked. and how it could be a real financial solution for their retirement. if you re 62 or older and own your home, find out how you could access your home s equity to give you cash now, and when you need it in the future. a reverse mortgage could put more money in your pocket by eliminating your monthly mortgage payments, paying off higher-interest credit cards and covering medical costs. a person like me needed to get a reverse mortgage it changed my life, it was the best thing i ve ever done. really? 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okay. roll it. this is a president if you watch him every day and pay attention to his record and what he has done, you will see exactly how how how focused he has been on the american people and historic his actions have been. i m not even going to truly, truly really, you know, take the premise of your question. i think it is incredibly insulting. bill: we missed the part before she just hung up. i don t entirely blame her. i don t think she has been very good at her job but it is probably not her fault. when she is doing what she is supposed to do, kind of answer questions about policy, she is very articulate and sounds well. when she gets questions, she gets frustrated because the administration doesn t want to answer those questions. so they send her out there and say whatever you do, don t answer the questions. the only thing you can do is go to the press and say how dare you ask that question. some form of that is every answer when they try to ask her things she doesn t want to hear. i can t believe you are asking me this or hangs up. or says i ve already spoken to that and answered that questions. no you haven t. you have 20 questions on the same subject. members of the white house press corps haven t gotten a satisfactory answer. bill: would you concede she has a tough job? dana: oh my gosh, a very, very tough job and knowing the policy is important. one of the problems for them they have bad facts. if you have good facts, you can have better communication. it is not necessarily that they have to message it better. it is that they have a huge border problem, 86% of people think he is too old to run for re-election. she says she can run circles around him at the white house and he is frozen in time and i think that people are like we don t actually feel a connection with her because she seems like she is condescending to people because i do think she is trying to be protective of him and cares about the president very much but the press corps, i think, deserves better. they talk about how transparent he is with the press? he doesn t do the interviews. the ones he does, the long one with time magazine he says that yeah, he has aged and doesn t remember thing. mixes up south africa with russia and it is a tough job but they make it harder. bill: thank you kennedy and tom and dana. dana: thank you for letting me have a lecture. bill: want to get to this right now. there is amazing video that we want to share with you. this is about as dramatic as it gets. these are idf soldiers going into a part of gaza trying to rescue israeli hostages. we ll play the rest of it for you in a moment after the break. a jury right now deciding the fate of the first son, hunter biden, we ll bring you the verdict as soon as it happens. we re on verdict watch on america s newsroom. back in a moment as we continue right after this. -unnecessary action hero . the nemesis. -it appears that despite my sinister efforts, employees are still managing their own hr and payroll. why would you think mere humans deserve to do their own payroll? 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a lot of folks wonder why you pushed this down the throats of nursing homes and then took so long six weeks to reverse it? okay. the premise of your question is wrong and if you actually read what has been found by the investigations, it says the opposite. the department of justice found no wrongdoing and investigation said explicitly we followed the federal guidance. cms and cdc did very extensive instructive guidance and the investigations say new york followed the federal guidances. why not make it a recommendation instead of a mandate? we followed the federal guidance. that would be a question for the federal government. bill: we ll see when they go behind closed doors how this goes. we ll get a transcript of the interview at some point and let you know what his position is now. the former governor of new york on the hill. all right, dana. what s happening? dana: the american dream could be yours but a pretty penny. millions of potential home buyers are grappling with sky high mortgage rates and low inventory. there are no houses to buy. the biden administration says their luck will turn, it will take another four years. edward lawrence is live outside of the federal reserve. hi, edward. they say they need more time on this. the american dream out of reach for many folks because of the cost of a mortgage as well as the cost of a home. the price of a 30 year fixed under 7%. 87% of mortgages in the united states are under 6% and 60% of those mortgages are under 4% in the united states. chief economist for the national association of realtors said those people are sitting on homes, limiting supply and keeping prices higher and doesn t help the average home sale price in the first quarter of this year $513,000, up 29% from when president biden first took office. those who have properties, they are doing well. home prices high. those who want to participate, first-time buyers are struggling. we have this social divide. hard to jump to the next level, which is the reason why it s critical that we have more supply in the future years. they believe we need 50% more supply of homes on the market. new regulations from the biden administration announced last month adds $30,000 in the cost of the home. it all comes back to supply and demand. shortage in homes keeping prices higher as well as the cost of a mortgage. back to you, the american dream is out of reach for many. dana: 30,000 more? that s a lot. thank you, edward. yeah. dana: fox news alert. day two of jury deliberation is underway right now in hunter biden s criminal
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[ ] dana: the news today is the jury and in the format gun try getting dismissed for the day a. deliberations wrapped up with no verdict. blackadder tomorrow morning at 9:00 am as they decide whether the first gets the first the joint 25 years in prison snubno the presidents and did not knowingly lie these said about his drug use from purchasing a handgun in 2018, but federalargu prosecutors arguing hunter hadr lost the power of self-control when you bought it. that the evidence back set up.wm hunter biden sent a drug dealer who had had tried to meet up with did they before, he lied on the gun form.e meanwhile the biden family is out in full force, rose joeen biden tht e president sister anh brother were among the several d family members present in courtu topp support hunter.wa president biden was not there and the democrats and media are giving him credit for that. of the president of united states has removed himself from this, explicitly, honorably, an. lots of the rule of law unfold. put yourself for a nanosecond in a position, for a parent a child coming through what hunter biden is going through, difficult,di complicated, painful. happy to see one of thehe w present was asked about this, confidence in the judicial system, not going to undermine it. dana: whatever happens the w hatrial hunter biden has made oe thing for sure. the laptop is real, after getting entered as evidence in the comeaux truck, fox newso digital reach out to all 51 intellect officials whoian dismissed the laptop is russian disinformation and eithert declined to retract or even doubled down. want to get to that at some point by let s talk about the prosecution in this case, they e moved forward, hunter has one oe the best lawyers, abbey law and the thing is i think the defensf just has a lot of bad facts ont, their side. you can hire a lot of great lawyers but have bad facts, might not go your way.eani judge jeanine: if you have, bad facts it won t go your way. but if you have a judge who moves the case along and i found it interesting, the sound you just had aired, that this guy says he led the rule of law unfold, hunter biden is, it wonderful. it s not the biden s, if anything the biden s are the ones who wanted to bring this plea deal before a judge, was all right through it. while any crime that he commits, it was the judge that says you know what, have you ever done this before the department of justice and they say there is no precedent for it. it s really about at the judge, this case moved quickly and we re so used to judge marchant who had everything he could do to extend that trial so that donald trump s trial when on for six weeks from memorial day celebrations and meeting with the parents, i mean it meetingg with your family members during the memorial day weekend, but in this case, what you have is a case that is rocksolid. of the question is, this can be proven beyond a reasonable the doubt, weatherby nullification? will there s a jury saddled with the biden family, it looks like such a unified family, with jill with, buying, with the solo blank back and forth to be with her husband, you got in jail, wife, sisters, in james and his wife, it s likthe the biden s ae saying we are a powerful familyi we are all in the front row looking at you. which is why the prosecution s partly said, that way there is not evidence. but it s there., the question i do thequy want to convict. richard: a thing that is likely chance they will get the verdict,hard with the prosecutie leap although detailys where f hunter admits he didro crack cocaine,wher testimony from bobi biden s wife, his former girlfriend, that she was on that through the gun into the trashcan. we will have to see what happened here, those 12 jurors. it s important to remember there isn t a single american that will vote for hunter biden t-shirt, is no hunter biden bumper sticker or your designs, hunter biden is not an employee of the democratic national committee, an employee of the c white house, biden campaign.om he is a sun who we know wasou troubled at onble point in timei would still be troubled today. what we saw was a family saying once we had a troubled son andc want to support him in any wayl be can.de alsont heard from the presidenta over thet weekend that he willd not pardono his son and i do believe that is very true. we know from both the obama white house and the biden white house at this point is the did not take part of their political allies, the obama pardons, thert was nobody they knew. and nd wi think we see the samee in the biden administration. i think we will see justic served no matter what.t wa dana: on saturday yeah,.au [ laughter ] it ran on saturday but i did not waited until today, was on politico it was about hunter biden and business dealings basically, how could he not have used his dad s name, basically that s what it was saying. if you watch jesse watters primetime you know this. jesse: they charged with violations, conveniently left those charges out. i don t know about richard s analysis, i would say but was guilty or not guilty, there wila be challenges for the biden campaign. if it allys guilty, partiallyde defends the line of attack that trump is a convicted felon it, partially because hunter is not e, ya running for president aboo just casually go and throw around that label against your opponent when the first son has the same label seems boneheadeda you get a nod to guilty, datai feeds into the trump i m running against the rig to system. the way the situation did in the summer of 2016 where it was thrown out, deals to hillary s party favors. ane pad let her off with a slapn her wrist and just showed thatt trump was the victim of a rigged system and would be getting intn dc into the clean house.s this proves it is an auditokin guilty, there was home cooking and both of these trials, new york, democratic jury, legal black magic invented a crime and then convicted.a and then you have a delawareth jury do the same thing? this is basically black-and-white. both juries would thenivel be actively interfering in an election. and we don t like that at all. this is the weirdest trial ever because he have a first son on trial in a state where the president hailed from, had first lady in the first family showing up with kleenex weeping in front of the jury, the cia back ane sugar brother in there throwing money around. you have the head of the and doubly a showing phase, a film o crew filming a documentary making money off of this trial. but i below gets up and he sup trying to say, this form, it s not english. the form clearly says, are you an unlawful user or addicted to r narcotics. albia saying that if you are aty user, the only meant are you using the day you filmed the form out. rbc that s not true. he saying it depends what the meaning of addicted as, theymeon have a summary testified, smoking crack every 20 minutes.. that of hunter biden shy autobiography saying, he was an attic it s.eh he hasab gone to rehab 10 times. i don t know how you canothe describe addicted in any other way. then you haven ye this message g the widow,e i m buying drugs fm mookieying and then today, i m h on crack passed out in a car.in now abby is trying to say that he was lying on those text messages, it s a herculean effort we was he of the jury buys it. dana: greg, giving you the floor. if you alsflo want to comment on these. they had their jerseys on, are they taking them off. greg: might be a little person but i m a big picture guy and the big picture here is hunter s taking it for the team. this is his punishment, hishi amends for his misdeeds.heat the goal is to keep the heat ofp a joke at the kickbacks, the big guy. it s a small sacrifice for hunter to make to take the fall which is what you do in crime families when misdeeds are far d bigger and more lucrative so what he s doing is he s deflecting it onto him. it s now joe, it s hunter. that s the point, to keep it off of joe. but like the judge said, the cases crack rock solid teemacng but i have to say, i m startingh to really kind of like hunter. he makes me feel really goodi ha about myself. i had some wild nights in myo hu time, but i know hunter, maybe i might have petered my brother-in-law s shoes on his wedding night by didn t bank my brother s wife and got her hooked on crack. he puts everybody s shame in perspective, it s like when yout go to the gym when you re overweightn , you feel better if somebody else is there who is fatter than you are, that is why i train at sculptors jim.wh i want to get to the klopper sai thing, he said he had no regrets about a falsely labeling the laptop is rushing this information, and we know it s obvious. he has no regrets because he doesn t see it as a mistake. it s not what i thought it was fake and i m wrong good, he meant to do this. it was deliberate, he created a false narrative because he was fighting the thread called the donald trump which everybody was saying at the time saying he was worse than hitler be make any attempt to stop him is illegal and immoral, doesn t matter because history will look back at him as a hero for trying to stop hitler. jesse: talking about theated family?th dana: where is she?gal greg: she was surprisedtory like the laptop. tal dana: an amazing, we do not go over time. we were good today! you going to keep up!e pro hamas agitators chanting as they wreak havoc of president biden s a t door front door. 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[ ] [ bleep ].udge judge jeanine: pro hamas lunatics rating at biden s front door, thousands of anti- israel agitators chanting for jihad while wreaking havoc in front oh isthe white house this weekend. they set up smoke bombs, vandalized statues, road anti-rf somatic graffiti and pelted a park ranger during the chaos. one individual holding up a bloody facemask of joe biden. the jewish hatred playing out on the same d day as is reallyy defense forces heroically rescued four is really hostages who had been in hamas captivity since october 7th. senator tom cotton is calling onto the biden doj to investigate of the terror protests.e you have anti-american proma hamas lunatics defacins g andst desecrating the statueats of our great veterans, which is a plain a violation of law. joe biden s government allowed to happen and we will probably not se pe any arrests or prosecutions for violating that law.: judge jeanine: they nowi wi start with you, what tom cotton about is that dojag starting aain investigation against people who are pro- terror, pro hamas, one action wearing a hamas headbandba carrying around a bloodyw in facemask of joe biden. while waiting to the doj be involved in this kind of thing, death to america? dana: well, you can imagine somewhere else with a different type of people, it should have vebeen. people having some 2020 déjà vu. is only 71 at park police officers covering 890,000 persos protest, and they re not allowed to wear right gear? ano d wheat seed rated their, te police officer there, there throwing things at him, they arn assaulting him and nobody says anything, not a single person gets arrested? you basically have people waving terror flags, wearing masks, you cannot do that in the district of columbia. nobody does anything? the prosecutor, can rememberosec that guy s name, i can remember, the prosecutor much like alvin bragg, they re not prosecuting p the crimes happening at right there. there s isllin appalling a douba standard ow n basic questions of law and order. wit mentally have uaa situation whee people are very frustrated. i could not believe one charles cook said it, you went through all the different websites, newy websites, could not find any of this news. anywhere ns,. except for local nbc affiliates. no word, if some like this happens outside, one little tlthing.e it s on the news. one out this? the double standard makes my voice raised two octaves blood it s partly why think people are discussing this and it s a sign of things to come. if they can get away with this, what he think they can get away in chicago? judge jeanine: in addition saying biden should be arrestedl we got the guillotine, you know richard, these are people who are calling for a cease-fire and peace and yet they are with theg hamas headband and all the other thing is they are doing kind defacing statues. connecting to a revolutionary war, would help the u.s., help you as to feed the birds inwh 1781. when theerd y get off doing tha richard: allstate again,d, there s a clear bright line between people protesting andra throwing things at park rangers and defacing property period. it is unclear, we don t know ife the justice department isca involved becauseus it could bede investigations and we don t kno. that yet. i think that is a wonder think we have to point out. as it think while this iswe happening, on this protest is happening we also know under the ground in israel, benny gans ha, resigned from the war cabinetit which makes the situation a bit more tiny was, with benjamin netanyahu and th te reason why gantz resigned is because who s waiting on benjamin netanyahu to create a postwar plan and inh gaza andth he has not come up ws that plaitn which makes theha situation evenve more tenuous as you try to figure out how do we come to some sort of peaceful solution b. five d. think any of those protestersth know who ganz is?es richard: out argute e that is part of the problem, i want this conflict to come to an end it, or the hostages to be sent home and killing to stop in gaza. i think both of those things cas be true. a but it s less about what is happening and the united states and what is happening with the is really government and benjamin netanyahu. judge jeanine: greg, greg s before nobody cares about teemac got to the hostages gotso rescued, that s a story you came out with? judge jeanine: let me ask you the question, the captured seven hostages and eight months. 116 remaining. mea they think 41 are dead. 75 alive that we believe.ra didn t israel have the right to do what they need to to get toa those human beings back in a war that hamas started, and they are still holding out hostages with the is really hostages? richard: for my perspectives there s only one acceptable fact, once october 7th happened, it s none of your business. we can all agree that payback isbenc a badge believe me. he don t create of the terms, talked about it before, you can do all of these platitudes aboul never again, we stand with israel but if you do that in i good times, you will work less. it only matters ain t of the bad times, those outrage? were they killed 202 rescued four. have you ever come up with themr ideal number for that?ve have you y ever done to the mathematics teemacatic did youha maexpress outrage when hamasan killed over 1000 people? and everything you were told what hamas is true? t keeping hostagesru, in heavy populated areas? and still you don t care?yo u that tells you something about the protests. these are not organic. prthe a professional, they paid for and i find it interesting that nobody according to ourent president is above the law. a unless you m are in member of te left. somehow vandalism becomes s an expression of protest and speech. it s a weird, if you woke, words can be viewed as violence.on but then c violence and destruction can be defined as speech. you don t get arrested, wisey is want rage are permitted and any kind of mild protest isn t? think about go back one kid, all over the place. you couldn t find it anywhere. why did they do that? it s because they wanted sanctioned, in one is not. judge jeanine: the operation carried out makes it clear, one of the hostages, the female on the motorcycle. she said she was dressed in palestinian government so theym could removeon her from one houe to another which is so, if you haven t watched it. b but how does this rescueed operation, and showed it in any way impact the cease-fire discussions? b6 you will continue to have these ways to extract these hostagesex, but i m glad you brought over the history earlier. of the statute that was desecrated was a general low shampoo, theof french sent him here during the revolutionary war and he was commanding about 7000 french expeditionary forces. he joinsorce forces with washinn and they go again and they seize the new york town, and then he joins forces ands the force of the surrender.wall this man is a hero, first send the statue kind of get us to the roosevelts administration, in bailey in lafayette park and joe biden is there in france while this statute is being disagreed? you don t arrest a single person the. judge jeanine: and also he invaded pickle boxes or is. [ laughter ] and jesse: what does it tellhe you about a country that does not protecint the crown jewels f its cultural and military history? what doen s it say if you allow his stature to be defiled?cher you probably don t cherish this beard of the country, like joe biden is wanting this campaign on defending democracy. without lafayette, defending democracy, we would not have a country. judge jeanine: the interestingg thing about this is these ar se rebels who are simpe creating anarchy, they don t know what they re doing, they, are just haters.bu coming up, some serious buyers remorse about joe biden. 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[ cheering and applause ] jesse: richard before weul get to you i would like to apologize to everybody in nevada and they sorry about that. glitch in my brain. so perfect and so many other ways. [ laughter ] go ahead richard, was going on in there. richard: i could sell you wan in alaska. it s on a focus on james for a second, been a lot of times since i ve being talking with james cargo. he is a political operative thaf has been pretty unsuccessful inn the music history, in 2022 he picked a candidate in pennsylvania there was literall obliterated. 2020 he predicted that we would have the election by 10:00 in regard to those four days later. bur dat did me just say this. you know, when you really think about it.ha here s what we know to be true,n a quote that was about to the economy was stupid, that he dids get right.tud th other than that, you know, is political ability to protecti things is pretty awful.ay and i think when i say that i say this. c this aom come down to how peopla feel about the economy on election day when did they choose to vote or vote early. over the last couple of months we have seen record of job growth and the lowest and a plummet in history does not take away from the fact that we as a country are expanding record inflation.cords mo inflation numbers coming outthey this month, hopefully they will be take down. coming up with next month and the month after that before we have the election. that s howeopl i think people w vote ultimately. we ll have to wait to and see w that looks like. but if units are the biden campaign will have to talk about. making this economy work for the american people. jesse: heyear is not a perfe, nobody is. richard: he is awful. judge jeanine: come on! jesse: he talks for a lote bi of people because it and wanted joel waterman to be the nominee and thought he was too old for the job. judge jeanine: document van jones and the rest of them. t he ihes one of the top democratc operatives no, i think for more advanced. i won a fight with you richard. let me say what i want to say. truth is there has to be a reason that they keep propping up biden and the reason they keep robbing him up in spite of the fact that everybody is a naysayer about this fool. t the thichak of his lies, is a ft that they think joe biden, trump is going to beat him again. what they ignore is that joe biden in 2020 is a cognitive declined man it today. what they don t understand is in 2020 he had a basement campaign of what they don t understand is that the country is totally different. dif there is dissent in americaen while joe biden has been president. we have the ability to impair trump and biden and theng americans are saying i, ice to e able to buy eggs and gas and go on vacation or whatever when trump was president, and now it don t have any of those opportunities. and finally,nall if you listen o that sound on those hoteltr workers, donald trumump is as ya know whadat i m in nevada, whati want to do is i want to promote no tax on tips.d and yoyou know what the culinary union comes out with? c they comome out and they say basically, you know, they rather object to the tax-free tips and tell everybody to vote for biden and that trump is full of it.ng look, the democrats have t o nothing. you don t have p theol policy because they don t have anything. a sudden going to mountunt sinai, guarded the power to bein able to change immigration. the guy is just not a credible guy anymore. richard: gg. greg: like how the media calls eight tall tales, like joe is some village and valent storyteller entertaining the town folk of tales of fighting mysterious woodland creatures anood turnindlg cows milk into liquid gold. meanwhile trumps salesmao lin f- page is a existential threat. but joe uts tales unlike j trums are not harmless. trump, when he s talking aboutre something whether he exaggeratea or not or directionally true joe s are figment of a chaotic imagination. and adamant braiicn, it could be dismissed, like the town fool but not when it s the leader of the free world. i m reminded of how many times that the media democraticou complex woulldd often comparedta trump to a mob boss by the way he talks. you gotta ge t rid of these people. anyways, consider how biden s defenders portray joe. that he is a basketcase in public, but behind the scenes, oh, you watch, use as a tribe is attack. this is never happened into the history of the human world. is no human behavior like that. and those who they had a criminal familymac a mob boss evading arrest, or standing trial by pretending to be mentally ill in public. the chain figment mental illness for decades to avoid prison. he would chat with parking meters and urinate in public. does that not sound familiar? joe is truly sharp as a tack, may be be could listen to those takes, or maybe it s just an act richard: are you with her? dana: i wanted to make those t-shirts. i can t remember which headline it was but the talked about biden s yarns. greg: yes, yarns! dana: do member the new york times, they had a big thing where they had a big announcement that it is going to be, okay,, that trump is a liar. they put that on the front page of the paper but biden tells yawns, of course,, want to mention something about the age thing, human for last week the wall street journal said joe biden has been in private meetings as having a hard time connecting the dots. and the white house press office they just said every sort of reinforcement, and the reaction was so over-the-top, and they were so mad about this story, and you think where is the anger for people about like understanding of the border issue or inflation or immigration? where is that? that empathy? any don t see it. it s only when they think he will get nailed in the election because people think he is too old. after that story ran, i think i said, i believe i did, it was see the press hurting to this way and all of them will start writing it and people have permission now to say where they are thinking. in the atlantic back with his speech today about biden s decision to run at the age of 81. it warning if you print this article out he will have to bite toner because it s along. this is the paragraph that matters, the unwillingness or inability of democrats to stop by and remains in existentially risky cat potentially disastrous proposition. if biden loses in november, that is all anybody will remember him before. and that is how i ended. 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( ) [ ] richard: critics in california giving way too many handouts, new taxpayer funded home lists high-rise shelter, scotland views. and getting a gym, and even a café. the whole thing caused $165 million and in san francisco that are opening to the first ever free food market where residents can leave without paying. judge jeanine? judge jeanine: you know what it sounds like where they are already doing. in san francisco whole foods they go into the and leave without paying. that s why whole foods left. by the way who thought it was a good idea to bed $165 million for houses for the homeless? were not so sure they really want houses, and if there aren t cameras in these places, i would suspect a lot of these homeless people would sublet and they can make money and get drugs and if you think that migrants are trashing hotels in new york city, think one of drug addicts will do in san francisco. richard: when are giving them a home address he? jesse: they will trash it richard. that s what it every time they do this the same thing happens. s been $25 billion on homeless populations increasing 30 percent. they spent $33 billion on 800 miles of high-speed rail in california, 15 years later richard, you know how many miles he put down? 1600 feet. there is no way the government can solve these problems, you cannot even exit gate. look at obama care, member how great that was supposed to be? 60 percent richard. 60 percent. how are the $7 billion an electric car charging stations? seven. richard. seven. you cannot expect the government to come in and solve homelessness, will never happen. richard: of the rent is too high in california, to hide across the country. i think we solve homelessness? dana: you build all sorts of houses, figure out of the permitting, clear out to the regulations on that are ridiculous. giving away free stuff we know how this ends, we know how it ends. it always ends the same away. it is not work. what works is a discipline, purpose, accountability and self-reliance. that is how you pull yourself up and start to succeed. look what is happening in california, $250,000 and woke kindergarten, than they were surprised that they leave kindergarten none of them can read or say the alphabet. we not doing a good and a job figuring out how to help people like that let alone, we don t want to raise a generation of people that are going to have to go to the free food market. that is preposterous decision for a society to make. greg: $600,000 for an apartment, 258 studio apartments, how would you feel hearing that if you were a hard-working blue-collar american in a white black, hispanic, male or female? you would feel you re being demoted. you matter less than you saw in this country, you not as valued as a citizen as of those people who do things the wrong way. of the people who get things for free without doing anything, people who take advantage of the hard-working citizens, will pay their rent, would save up for mortgages, pay your taxes. the message of the democratic party is that with the right away, you will be demoted. don t do it at the right way, we got you, whether you re a minority construction worker in a legal stream, whether you re an illegal immigrant waiting in line following the rules and get people cut in line or asylum, they are of criminals who control, horror loud breaks every time they are arrested. never in prison for mcafee moth-eaten who loses or is beaten by a man was as he is a girl. in every situation, that person is demoted. you vote democratic, they put the dam and demoted. dana: and demented. richard: coming up, out-of-control bullet jumps over the fence and into the crowd back the fastest! is up next. 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[ ] greg: and welcome back, this isn t your typical day at the radio. shocking video capturing the moment of wild bull goes rogue and leaps over the forest fence, watch. [ ] dana: wow! greg: 14 people were killed. judge jeanine: know they were not! richard: three injuries, they say music soothes the savage beast but i guess animals hate country music. dana: i think he was quite moved by the song they are, and decided to keep on going. i have not been to a lot of have been to a lot of rodeos, never seen anything like that in prison. it s remarkable everybody is okay. greg: his name is party bus and it s true! you know jesse this makes me think, when somebody is about to undertake a difficult task they would say it s on my first rodeo, they say that? what if you were in the rodeo, would you say this is not my first accounting job? jesse: i don t know but it looks like this was their first rodeo. who builds a wall that low? greg: build a wall you say? [ laughter ] dana: perley nobody builds a wall jesse. jesse: the wall is too low or this thing is like the michael jordan a bowls. greg: yes. greg: you have been to rodeo drive. what to say you about this rodeo? judge jeanine: advent a lot of rodeos as well greg, take it that. this bowl was a democrat. he identified as at gazelle. and as a party bus, that s his name? he picked up five people on the bus. get it,. greg: nicely done. richard, d. go to rodeos? richard: and no. greg: no? richard: that is why. [ laughter ] greg: always a small risk. richard: put me into those bleachers. greg: one more thing is up next. 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no dana: d. well, he s got something, but it ain t a laptop. all right. jesse, did you know, dana, that it was illegal to get in your helicopter and shoot fireworks at your lamborghini? i had no idea. it is in nevad your laa. it is absolutely illegal. and now alex choi is doing donuts in the desert there as he gets pelted with fireworks intentionallyd ff is facing ten years in federal prison. what s he doing free alex choi? i mean, i don t know. i can t vouch for the guy, but it just seems like he was having a little good old, friendly old fun. this is what happens when you don t have a drug habit in you t havr rich. tonight, jesse watters, primetime. johnny went to the puerto rican day parade. he was a sneak peek. e biden says he s puerto rican. oh, renaissance. when no way he can be his best in this country. no way, jose. judge. okay, who knew a tri dana:p te eye doctor could be so adorable. check out these penguin who took time out of their busy days for their routine eye exams as penguins age cataracts and other eye conditions can affect their vision, just like humans. so it s important that these impo get checked. and i m on the ingram mangle tonight. all right. and, richard, thistonight. 100 and two-year-old, 102 year old vet world war ii vet is retiring fromfrom being a crossing guard. he s also a postal worker. his name is tom bessette. he lives in greensboro, northwate carolina, 3630, just across fromr day! and that s it for us. have a great night. welcome to jesse wattersni primetime tonight. what is deal here and comghte to think about joe biden s advantage. eep ]. whatever we do, the left says off with biden s head. son of
that is tonight s the last word. the 11th hour with stephanie ruhle starts now. tonight, donald trump met his probation officer. we will look at a key step as sentencing approaches. the fate of hunter biden is in the hands of a delaware jury. nba legend steve kerr is here and why he speaking out about the stakes in the election as the 11th hour gets underway. good evening once again. we are 148 days away from election. today, one of the leading candidates for president met with his probation officer. donald trump brush off his guilty verdict set for a standard presentencing interview this afternoon, there was nothing standard about how this interview was held. trump got special permission to attend virtually from florida and to have his attorney todd blanche present. he s been complaining for months about it two tiered system of justice and he is right. is new public defenders pointed out today, most people do not get to login remotely from a resort in florida to talk to their probation officers. as for is what happens in these interviews, probation officers generally ask about financial resources, mental health, and any links to other convicted criminals. they also have to ask if you feel remorse for the crime you were convicted of. meanwhile, in delaware, the hunter biden firearms case went to the jury after both sides made closing arguments. hunter biden chose not to take the stand. here is ryan nobles with more. reporter: tonight, it s in the hands of the jury. six men and six women deliberating the fate of hunter biden, the first child of a sitting american president to be charged with a crime. many members of the first family in the courtroom throughout the trial. all of this is not evidence. gesturing around the courtroom and in the direction of first lady jill biden in the first row. people sitting in the gallery are not evidence he said adding no one is above the law. the special counsel s office use the president s son of lying on a federal back on check by checking the box claiming he was not an active drug user to purchase a gun. prosecutors used evidence from his laptop and called 10 witnesses, many describing hunter biden s frequent drug use including around the time he filled out the background check in october 2018. hunter biden s ex-wife testified she found drug paraphernalia inside his car in october 2018. his ex-girlfriend who was dating him at the same time singing hunter was smoking crack every 20 minutes or so. the evidence was personal. it was ugly. it was overwhelming he told the jury today. it was also absolutely necessary. defense attorney abbe lowell argued they focus too much on his drug abuse over a four year period and saying no one witnessed actual drug use during the window of time he purchased the gun. with that, let s do smarter with the help of our leadoff panel. pulitzer prize for investigative reporter with the washington post sam stein acerra veteran federal journalist and white house editor for political and a neighbor of carol. former new york prosecutor and civil rights attorney charles coleman jr. is here. you know it s a big night so you get first crack. donald trump met with his probation officer. help us understand the purpose of these interviews and how do they go and what do we know about what was asked in this one? when your probation officer will ask you questions, what they re trying to understand is what your setup is around your life. how do you live. what your financial resources are and what would be the impact of a particular sentence of a judge decides to send you to jail. are there people who depend on you? are you associating with other criminals which we know in the case of donald trump, he is. we could go down the long list. steve bannon, roger stone, michael flynn, the list goes on and on. one of the things a probation officer is looking to ascertain, and you talked about this, is whether you have any understanding and/or appreciation for the crime you re actually committed up. i think donald trump has a difficult tightrope when it comes to everything he said in the public around this persecution rather than what he knows is actually in the prosecution by the das office, and that will be something that will be hard to get around. the probation report is going to be something the judge takes into account when they make their decision around what sentence they ultimate ultimately oppose. they will make the recommendation and trump s attorneys will argue for as lenient of a sentence as possible. sam, donald trump has been arguing for months and months that there s a two cheered data tiered justice system and its benefiting him. he got to meet virtually with his probation officer. his lawyer was there and when he speaks at his rallies he s always saying i am doing this for you. i am standing here for you. but any trump supporters were in his position, they would not get the special privileges. why do they keep buying this? you are right. when you think back to the gag order that was imposed on trump at various points in the criminal case, that was almost done with reluctance compared to what it would ve been for any other person in the justice system. obviously, donald trump is a unique person in the justice system that he s running for president currently. it makes sense that some leeway is given to him. the justice system works in his favor and i would argue the second story, hunter biden s story, it is not a justice system. the presidents own department of justice is bringing a case against his son. if there was a thumb on the scale of the justice system on the part of president biden, one thing he would do it to alleviate the burdens on his son and maybe let it go away and the president sat back and watched this progress to the point where we will probably get a verdict in the next day or so. carol, get it s been a crazy last eight years and people have become desensitized. it is not even remotely normal for the presumptive gop nominee to be meeting with his probation officer. what is your reaction to this extraordinary moment in american history? i ve thought a lot about that and how numb the country has become to everything that we have watched in the last eight years. nobody can forget and yet we almost act like it was no big deal when then republican nominee for president, donald trump, was caught on live tape talking about grabbing women in the using a course word and saying he could get away with it because he was a celebrity. starting then and continuing on, it was like a starting gun of every other week, every other two weeks, revelations about donald trump as candidate and as president that made us all gasp and wonder, can he survive this? donald trump is the republican nominee for president again. he is the front runner in this race by many polls, and he is a felon who has been convicted of 34 counts of crimes in the state of new york. the city and the town, where he once ruled. all of us are like, oh, yeah, that s how it is. that s sort of the standard now for the last eight years. it s important for us all to step back and remember that no president and no former president has ever been charged with a crime and now we have one who has been convicted and is seeking to return to the white house. charles, an appellate lawyer wrote that donald trump s chances of winning an appeal are pretty slim. what do you think? i think so. when you talk about what it is to appeal a jury verdict, the first thing people need to understand its an rare occurrence that the system will look at the decision that is made by our constitution where you get a chance to have your case heard in front of a jury of your peers, which donald trump did, and override that decision absent some extreme miscalculation by the judge or extreme actions by one of the attorneys. judge merchan does not get enough credit for the way he ran this trial. i think he was aware that all eyes needed to be dotted and all his teas needed to be crossed and that s why he did on such a run such a tight ship to make sure there were as few issues for appeal as possible. that doesn t mean donald trump s attorneys won t seek to find an issue but the likelihood of being successful is slim to none. sam, dal bragg says he will testify before the house about the trump case but most likely not until after donald trump gets sentenced. he knows what he is going to face with house republicans. how do you think he will handle this? i mean, we knew the house republicans were going to do this. they signaled they want to protect donald trump and want to go after the prosecution. there has been overtures they want to defund jack smith for instance. bringing alvin bragg to the hill is something we should ve expected a long time ago. i m surprised they didn t push harder prior to this. i would point to the fact that a jury trumps peers made the determination he was guilty of 34 counts. that s the aspect of the american justice system that trump was right to defense and he was given defense. there will be questions about, who was on his team and funding them? what it comes down to is this is how the american justice system is designed to work. trump at his day in court and had his defense. that is that. the decision was made by a jury of 12 and you have to live with it that s what we do. charles, let s shift to what sam was talking about. the hunter biden case. what did you make of both sides, closing arguments, and hunter not taking the stand? it didn t surprise me that hunter biden did not take the stand for a number of reasons. number 1 comments difficult for hunter biden to give testimony in any way that will try to exonerate him or at least defend against those charges without either incriminating him or at least admitting publicly about his substance abuse. i think that is something he wanted to avoid. i think his team wanted to avoid that and if you are looking at this, it s something that would not of been well for the biden administration to have in the headlines. not that that has an impact on hunter s actual case or charges per se, but i think it was part of the calculus here. with respect to what you heard from the prosecution, this was straightforward. many legal experts myself included understand that when the special prosecutor on the case that joe biden allowed to stay on the case brought the charges, that is, if anything that we ve seen recently is a mass political prosecution we have seen. i say that because for these federal charges to be brought, you typically don t see that absent some additional violent events involving the actual handgun or the weapon that is in question. that s not the case here. hunter biden is not charged with that because we don t have those facts. robert hur decided to bring the charges against hunter biden and the case for the prosecution is relatively straightforward. none of this surprises me. what the defense did a closing argument is you work with the facts you have. they don t have gray facts so they have to call into question the time line. i don t know if that will be enough for a jury to either acquit him or result in a mistrial. sam, the president has already said he will not pardon his son. if he is found guilty, he could be taken into custody . how is the administration, campaign, going to react to this? they have been hands-off about a. they are not hiding the fact this is taking an emotional cole, mental pool, on the president. he is a there. when you ask about present enough, they are hands off. there s discomfort in the white house to even talk about the issue with the president himself. he does not want to discuss it. it s not that he doesn t think it s a political fallout but it s too raw for him. the question, will republicans tried to capitalize on a guilty verdict, and if so, what manifestation? we have a debate coming up. it s not beyond the realm that donald trump will not try to use something during the debate and what we ve been surprised to see is how little republicans are talking about the hunter biden trial including trump himself. it doesn t come up that much. it used to be a topic of discussion but not recently. you wonder if that s because they don t want to draw attention to trump s own legal mishaps or tested it out and realize there might be boomerang effect where people are sympathetic or empathetic to joe biden if you go after his son, part of what the issue is, issue of addiction. carol, no topic. your paper, the washington post , has this story out over the weekend about the trump ally with a quote post constitutional vision for a second term. the man s name is russell, what can you tell us about this? beth reinhard on our national investigative team for this great reporting that presages the future and right donald trump presidency. the kinds of people he is entrusting to make the plans for his new administration. he was a deputy omb director and had been in congress as a staffer for a long time and other federal agencies. he knows his way around the legislative and the executive parts of our government. he is using that knowledge to broadly expand the powers of the executive, if trump takes office. to the point of saying he will find a way for the justice department to prosecute and imprison those who he feels is wrongly gone after the president in the past including journalists. that includes political figures think the biden family members. he has said rather he is said to confidantes that he would work very hard to loosen the military s ability to take action at the president s command to stop protests that are against the president. to interfere perhaps in elections. the military would be an entity the president could send it to domestic situations and something we have avoided ever since the horrors of kent state for example. it s a person who believes in the unitarian executive theory but is proposing things behind closed doors. he may end up being the chief of staff for the president. he is proposing things that send a chill up the spine of those who really study democracy and its norms. here s my head scratcher. there s a lot of conservatives who say they do not like trump what they like his policies. these are the same people who are all about small government with limited power. this, this man and this plan. isn t that the complete opposite of small government, limited power? this is big government with ultimate power. well, i think one thing you have highlighted on your program consistently, if i can give you a hat tip, is the idea of the hypocrisy. the republican party for as long as i have been a reporter which i m embarrassed to tell you how long it has been, has always been about criminal justice and serious tough law enforcement. it s been the party of being concerned about foreign adversaries, rough it russia chief among them but that s all out the window now with trump as president. putin is a great guy and the new republican party. he is a fan of donald trump therefore he is awesome. getting tough on criminals? not important anymore because we really want to support certain criminals who have been unfairly, and to use this in quotation marks, unfairly persecuted. that is the line the republican party is pushing. again, this notion of big government as being anathema to the government party is out the window as well. if it suits donald trump. that s the litmus test for republicans who want to stay in power. people can vote how they like but it s our job to shine a light so people understand exactly who and what they are voting for. carol, was great to see you. sam, charles thank you. nine months into the war and five americans are still being held hostage by hamas. why the white house is considering a new strategy for negotiations. after months in a dead heat in the polls with trump, president biden is revving up his engines and maybe even changing lanes. the 11th hour just getting underway on a monday night. da. with absorbine pro, pain won t hold you back from your passions. it s the only solution with two max-strength anesthetics to deliver the strongest numbing pain relief available. so, do your thing like a pro, pain-free. absorbine pro. norman, bad news. i never graduated from med school. what? -but the good news is. xfinity mobile just got even better! now, you can automatically connect to wifi speeds up to a gig on the go. plus, buy one unlimited line and get one free for a year. i gotta get this deal. i know. faster wifi and savings? .i don t want to miss that. that s amazing doc. mobile savings are calling. visit xfinitymobile.com to learn more. doc? nbc news has exclusive new reporting on a possible new strategy from the u.s. to negotiate the release of american hostages still held by hamas. it comes as we get new video the moment israeli forces rescued three hostages over the weekend. andrea mitchell has the latest. reporter: tonight, the dramatic moment when three of the four hostages were rescued. you can hear gunfire as officers approach a family home in the middle of a refugee camp. finding the hostages inside of back room. officers asking further names as the hostages answer back. andre, he says. the daytime mission leader resulting in a firefight the idf says as hamas seven fire on the hostages and rescuers as they escape. the high death toll of palestinians potentially complicating delicate cease- fire negotiations with hamas. secretary of state tony blinken in israel dominica must agree to a deal. israel accepted the proposal. the only party that has not accepted and the only one that has not said yes is hamas. that s who everyone is waiting on. reporter: they were taken during the terror attacks at the music festival. 26 years old who became the face of the hostage were. seen on the back of a motorbike being kidnapped. her boyfriend still held captive tonight. hugging her father and reunited with her mother who was terminally ill. a 21-year-old coming home just one day after his father died but arriving before his mother s birthday. i could not stop poking him. tomorrow is my birthday so i got my presence. thank you. a 40-year-old aunt 127. falling to his knees when he was reunited with his mom. while their celebrations in israel, and gaza there is morning. the hamas run gazan health ministry which does not distinguish between combatant and civilian death said 274 palestinians were killed in the rescue mission including 64 children, one woman telling our crew. my house is destroyed. reporter: this is nbc news reporting exclusively the u.s. is discussing a new move if cease-fire talks fail making a unilateral deal with of the most to release the remaining american hostages. negotiating through qatar and without israel. according to ginger current and former senior u.s. officials. my number 1 priority as secretary of state is to ensure the well-being of americans who are in harms way anywhere in the world. reporter: as your top priority, wouldn t indirect talks for the americans at least bring those americans home? the most effective way to achieve that, get them home, is through the proposal on the table. let s see if we get an answer from hamas. for more, peter baker white house chief correspondent for the new york times . is this a sign the white house is frustrated with the pace of negotiations between israel and hamas? obviously, it s been nine months and these american hostages have been there the entire time. the american government has deferred to the israeli government when it comes to dealing with the hostages. they have dual citizenship and israel is on the ground and united states is not. it suggests an in patients with the biden administration that its own hostage, american hostages, remain in limbo while netanyahu and hamas remain at odds over the cease-fire proposal. you heard secretary blank and say that it s hamas that has yet to accept this proposal. i think that s important point they want to make that israel has agreed to this despite the public ambiguity. right now, they re frustrated it s taking so long and seems to not be heading toward a conclusion and they seem to be willing to think of ways to get the americans at this point out if there s a way to do it. president biden is not the only one expressing frustration. benny gantz just resigned from israel s work cabinet saying it s a prime minister and he is standing in the way a real victory. what does that signal to you about the state of the war effort and prospects for new elections over there? it s a big deal and it s been remarkable to work cabinet has hung together as long as it did. benny gantz has run against netanyahu multiple times and the idea they sat together in this work cabinet is a remarkable situation. it s hard to imagine joe biden and donald trump sitting together in a unity government. at this point, he s decided enough is enough and it s not working. the prime minister netanyahu is an obstacle toward a resolution to the conflict rather than a leader. that puts netanyahu in an awkward position but it may require him to rely even more so on his far right-wing coalition to stay in power. he has to appeal to the parts of his coalition that he himself might affect comfortable in order to keep his majority they can avoid further elections. we will have to see where it leads. there s not much chance or at least not a lot of optimism for prime minister netanyahu they could win another election but he s been an enduring figure for a long time and israeli politics. let s stick with the right wing and change locations. you were just in france and when president biden was there, he spent a lot of time trying to reassure nato allies who are nervous about a second trump term. i want to know how his message was received and we keep hearing about our european allies, worried about trump, but there were a bunch of elections that took place last week in europe and they were big winds for the far right. it s not just a u.s. issue but it s happening over there as well. it s not just a u.s. issue. the european elections on sunday were a remarkable shift in power toward the right. you saw macron of france who host a president biden the night before at the state dinner where they held hands and effect in favor of establishment politics, and also rock that he s calling new elections in france himself to see if he cannot win over his own public where he is not very popular re-there. these guys will get together in italy at a g7 meeting and they will talk about these issues like gaza, ukraine, do. president biden has a low approval rating, his at home is higher than some of the other leaders who will be at the summit. there s a time when the establishment politicians of the major industrial powers are on their back heels a little bit amid this right-wing populism we are seeing in europe and the united states. peter, you always make a smarter. thank you for being here. when we come back, stubborn polls and has the biden campaign getting a read data revving up the race in the 11th hour. hour. if you re one of the millions of people with diabetes who suffer from low and high blood sugar, dexcom g7 is one of the easiest ways to take better control of your diabetes. my blood sugar would suddenly spike or really go low out of nowhere. it was really scary. 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(announcer) dexcom g7 helps protect against highs and lows. call now! the biden campaign is making big changes after listening to months of public and private concerns from democrats. their switching up the style and launching major policy initiatives both to lockdown voters already on board while trying to pull new ones in. i want to bring it msnbc contributor brian tyler: and former adviser to george w. bush and john mccain. were not talking one or two small changes. the president is revamping his policy portfolio and will refer to trump is a convicted felon and he sitting for interviews beyond traditional media. you to sit down with vice president harris. what do you make of these changes? i think it is smart. reach people where they are. people are getting their news from less traditional outlets and people are watching the news less frequently anyway and people are checking out. it s smart to reach these people where they are and find them where they are not paying attention to the more traditional issues. the biden campaign recognizes whatever it has to do as we head toward crunch time. this is not just about his base. it s nikki haley voters, independence, and never trumper s. the people who could make or break the election which is currently by a lot of polls in a dead heat while press former president trump is not looking beyond his base. will this work for biden? well, yeah, he has to look beyond the base. that s where the election will be decided. i remember when the bush campaign was in trouble in 2000. we had to do a reset and we got pushed into it. we didn t want to do it and ultimately we decided we needed to because we had to. part of it was making changes but a big part is doing a reset for the press and the larger public to say, we heard the message. we are doing things differently. it makes sense practically speaking and make sense of the speaking that you are sending a message that you heard the message and we are doing things differently. in this campaign, it s so razor thin that biden has to do everything right and this is one of them. this is good. one of the things he needs to do is turn up the volume on the things donald trump is saying. they are seizing on some of the comments that trump made it his nevada rally this weekend. i will share a bit. you feel that? i don t want anybody going we need every vote. i just want your vote. i don t care about you. what i just heard him say, i don t care about you. i just want your vote. did the rally attendees here this? what? did they hear that? they have selective hearing. donald trump can say anything on god s green earth and they will cheer on cue. it s important that americans more broadly here it because that s him giving the game away. he doesn t care about anybody. trump s only goal is to keep himself out of prison. to make prosecutions against them go away. he has brought forward no plans to lower costs. nothing to lower health care costs. nothing to increase the amount of jobs. he has no plans for housing or inflation. his campaign is predicated on keeping himself out of prison, out of the courtrooms, and making the cases go away. and a revenge tour against the people who deign to hold him accountable for his crimes. it s a rare instance, less rare these days because he has a proclivity to see the quiet part out loud. he is saying it. if you want an example of someone who treats supporters with nothing but contempt, it someone like donald trump standing there on that stage and basically telling them what he thinks about them. what i like to hear about is the truth mark and billions of dollars in infrastructure funding has made its way across the country thanks to president biden s massive infrastructure bill now law. suddenly, we are seeing some house republicans taking credit for these jobs that were created but for facts say, the same republicans voted against the bill. to their constituents who might not pay attention to traditional politics or watch the news, do they know the new truth? these guys are taking credit for things they voted against. they are not going to hear the truth. let me make another point on the las vegas speech and the ad. there is another ad i think the biden campaign which is the best of the campaign which is donald trump in his voice talking about veterans. i think they should leave that up through election day. it s spectacularly good and impactful. trump has been complaining about it and we call that as hit dogs barking. you know he s feeling the pain so it is working. as a former ad guy, the most effective thing you can do is not say what you think the person said but let them say what they said themselves. it is great. brian, i want to go back to the infrastructure point. if you the biden campaign are running and local elections, what do you do about the fact that you have some house republicans patting themselves on the back, taking credit for passing things they voted against? i think they done an effective job at exposing these people. biden said it out loud when he was in lauren boebert s district that she tried to take credit for the infrastructure plan. it s getting into these districts and doing the side-by- side. the media has been great about showing side by sides where it s donald trump railing against toilets not flushing and trying to keep himself out of prison and biden talking about $35 inhalers. $35 insulin and $2000 a month health care plans and things that will impact regular people. they been good about that side- by-side but it s getting out there and hammering the message over and over and over again. they often say what is the one thing that a politician did to change your life or help you in some way? you got to show people. thank you both for being here. stay up for this. coach steve kerr when he talks, everybody listens. the nine time nba champion is here next. is being endorsement in the selection and is taking caitlin clark s first month in the pros. pros. switch to shopify so you can build it better, scale it faster and sell more. much more. take your business to the next stage when you switch to shopify. are you still struggling with your bra? it s time for you to try knix. makers of the world s comfiest wireless bras. for revolutionary support without underwires, and sizes up to a g-cup, find your new favorite bra today at knix.com hi, i m jason. i ve lost 228 pounds on golo. and sizes up to a g-cup, changing your habits is the only way that gets you to lose the weight. and golo is the plan that s going to help you do that. just take the first step, go to golo.com. in the last 10 days, we have had elderly black people killed in a supermarket in buffalo. asian churchgoers killed in southern california and now we have children murdered at school. when are we going to do something? ! i am tired. i am so tired of getting up here and offering condolences to the devastated families out there. i am so tired of the excuse i m sorry, i m tired of the moments of silence. enough. steve kerr is best known as an nba champion player and coach. most sports fans know him as a fantastic communicator and every postgame press conference where he broke through and spoke to america was when he spoke from the heart after the mass shooting in uvalde, texas. last week, steve kerr announced he will be endorsing joe biden for president and we will find out why. he joins us now. it s a pleasure to see you. tell us why this endorsement and why now? it s clear that president biden is interested in implementing gun safety measures. common sense gun violence prevention measures. i have been doing a lot of work the last 10 years with a lot of different gun safety prevention people like brady, giffords, sandy hook promise, march for our lives. i have learned so much and i know we can prevent lives. president biden is adamant that he is going to push for commonsense laws that can do that. i know trump will not do that, and so it s a simple choice for me. are you voting for joe biden against donald trump? i am voting for joe biden. i think the biggest thing for me, everybody needs to vote their conscience. i am voting on a few issues, but this is the main one. i lost my father to gun violence when i was 18 years old so i know how much pain people go through every single day in this country. i know gun violence is the number 1 killer of children in america. i know there is so much we can do about this. i think most people out there agree with me whether you are republican or democrat. 80% of people in this country want universal background checks , doesn t matter your political affiliation. we can do this but we have to steer the cruise ship. it will take time. we need to implement laws that the vast majority of our country want and president biden is willing to do the work to try to get those changes. you have said in the past that before you lost your father, as you said when you were only 18, you felt her life was impenetrable. nothing could get you down and bad things did not happen to you. what do you say to the folks out there who thinks gun violence is a problem but it will not affect their life so they don t make it a voting priority. you just don t know. it s such a common occurrence. the chances are likely that you will not be impacted, but there s a good chance that you will also. that is a scary thought. i have a granddaughter who is 18 months old. i am thinking about when she goes to kindergarten and she will have to go through mass shooting drills, and the trauma the kids all across america go through just from those drills and the possibility of facing that kind of situation. it is so traumatizing, and it s a terrible thought that all our children are feeling this way. again, we know that comm laws save lies. they absolutely do. there s so much we can do and it s my civic project that i like to work on is trying to help get, as i said, the ship moving. it will take a lot of work. it s up to us as private citizens to insist the government take the necessary moves to make that happen. there s a lot of public figures who share your views. many did endorse president biden in 2020, but many are staying quiet now. expressing public views right now is getting more and more difficult. the backlash is real. this is not going to be easy for you and you will get heat by all sorts of people. why did you decide to speak out? it s too important to save lives and it s important to do something that s important for our country. not that i can do anything by myself, but i do have a platform. if i can get the message out there, it is so important for families to talk about this issue. neighbors, friends, this is not an attack on the second amendment. this is about implementing things that can save lives. again, it could be your own child. your own mother or father, could be you. we have to understand the gravity of gun violence in our country and not just pass it off as this is the price of freedom. that s what a lot of people say. we have to have the freedom that the second amendment provides us, but it should be kids able to go to school and not being afraid. there are ways to do this. we can protect the second amendment and protects citizens with simple laws. we just have to get everybody on board. it is such a political hot button but it s not a common thought in our country that this is a controversial issue. it is not. 80% of people want universal background checks. we should have that, and that alone would save hundreds if not thousands of lives every year in america. you said it right there. it s a political hot button but not when you go in people s homes and use it other tables and talk about what matters to them. i do want to talk about something else that matters to you that you know a lot about and that s obviously basketball. you played with michael jordan. you know how this superstar was treated early, and the attention he got. given your first-hand knowledge, what do you think of caitlin clark s treatment so far in the wnba? i think it is a rite of passage for young players whether the wnba or nba. other players will test you. she reminds me a lot of steph curry. a lot of people may not remember this but in his first couple of years he was not a superstar. he is not who he is now. he had to get stronger and had to understand people were coming after him. that is what is happening with caitlin right now . it s all in the name of competition. she is handling herself beautifully. she is an amazing player but like every college player who comes in, it takes time and they ve got to get stronger and more used to the contact, physicality and athleticism. she will be fine and everything she s going through now is part of being a pro. what do you think of the fact she won t be at the olympics? i am so excited. i am sorry that she won t be there but she ll have a great chance in four years. when you put these teams together, all you care about is winning. it s probably going to take caitlin a couple of years to be at the top echelon. the women s team is taking the 12 players they think can help bring home the gold and that s with the men s team did. that is the name of the game so no politics in the olympics. we just want to win. and i sure hope you do this year. nobody remembers when steph curry was not an absolute superstar. it s always great to see you and thank you for joining us tonight. we will have more of the 11th hour. 11th hour. rt working on contact to target tough pain at the source. for up to 8 hours of powerful relief. new advil targeted relief. hi, i m jason. i ve lost 228 pounds on golo. for up to 8 hours of powerful relief. i don t ever want to go back to wearing a 4xl shirt or not being able to climb up stairs without taking a break. so i m committed to golo for life. thank you for watching. we were just talking about the summer olympics, it s worth noting, that minutes from now, we will officially be two years out from the 2026 world cup that will take place right here in the u.s. after 30 years, and you can stream all the action live on telemundo and peacock so get your countdown clock started now. on that note, i wish you a very good night. from all our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thank you for staying up late with me. okay, there is a lot going on tonight.
oh like she s still got it. courtney cox, letting the world know. she s still has the moves that she showed off in bruce springsteen s video for dancing in the dark, the friends star joining a social media trend where kids ask their parents to show them how they danced in the 1980s, cox famously appeared in springsteen s 1984 and music video. jumping on stage to boogie with the boss molly ball has your daughter made you do this yet no could you better or worse than a by way waveshape, let s put courtney back first quarter me and her dancing. there yep, there she is. i mean, honestly that i think i could do that might be the limit of my abilities, but that i could do i mean i don t know because i wouldn t want to do it in public, but i m not do not checked doing matt either. all right thanks, guys. every much. appreciate your time today. thanks for all to all of you for joining us. i m casey had don t go anywhere santa new central starts right now all right. breaking overnight for american stabbed in china s the attack centered on social media. and we just learned seconds ago, a suspect has been arrested sit in this attack dangerous for our democracy. this must stop. attorney general merrick garland taking on republican lawmakers and taking them on head-on today as he warned because the attacks on his department are going to get someone hurt jury deliberations resumed today and hunter biden s federal gun trial, the president s son, waiting to hear his fate i m kate bolduan with on vermin cnn s sara sidner is out today. this is cnn news central breaking just seconds to go a suspect arrested in china, connected to the stabbing of four american educators there still questions about if and why these americans were targeted. new video appears to show the aftermath what was quickly centered on chinese social media blood is visible at the scene. the victims are from cornell college in iowa they are in northeast china as part of a partnership with a local university seed and steve john joins us now from beijing with the very latest on this arrest iv. what are you learning? yeah, john, that police of that you just mentioned came from jilin city in northeastern china. as you said, a suspect was caught by the police and now in custody, the police describing him as a 55-year-old local residents with a surname of twain. now, they also add a bit more details in terms of what happened, saying this suspect, according called collided with one of the americans in the park and then somehow decided to use a knife to attack that an american and three companions, as well as a local chinese citizen trying trying to stop this attack. now, the police statement added that none of the injuries were life-threatening and all of the injured people have received prompt m. proctor medical care. now, this is the local authorities breaking their silence more than 24 hours after this horrific incident earlier, we have heard we had heard from the chinese foreign ministry echoing a lot of whether police just said, but also they he used the word isolated incident to describe this case. that s obviously the key message from the government to the outside world. but it is worth pointing out that this kind of violence against foreigner is rare in this country because china s generally considered a safe place to visit with a heavy security police presence, not to mention there are massive surveillance and it s technologies being deployed nationwide. but because it s almost impossible to get hold of gun for most ordinary chinese people, stabbing incidents like this have happened in recent years targeting people ranging from doctors, to school schoolchildren. but again violence against foreigner is rare. that s why this case is receiving so much attention. nine not to mention the timing of this attack, couldn t have come at a worse time for the chinese government because they re leader xi jinping has been personally promoting the resumption and expansion of the so-called people-to-people exchanges between the two countries after the two governments finally, somewhat stabilized their fragile relationship. xi jinping, wow, in san francisco november personally said, china was ready to host 50,000 young americans in the coming five years for study and exchange programs. just last year, she i just last week actually, excuse me, xi jinping wrote a letter to a new jersey, new jersey college stressing the importance of this kind of exchanges. so if this incident somehow ends up dampening america two kinds interest and enthusiasm in coming back to china, i think that we consider, considered quite a major setback for the chinese leader john kth, china, china wants you as students there and us money there. and this is the video we re looking at right now. you can see the victims clearly are on the ground. this video again has been centered on chinese social media. one suspect now in custody, steve. thank you so much for that update. keep us posted on new developments. also, do this morning, a scathing public statement by attorney general merrick garland just published in the washington post to garland riding in an op-ed is warning against what he calls the unfounded attacks and department of justice that he says is putting his staff and democracy in danger. the attorney general saying this in part, using conspiracy theories, false hoods, violence, and threats of violence to effect political outcomes is not normal. the short-term political benefits of those tactics we ll, tactics will never make up for the long-term cost to our country. and even though he does not say republicans anywhere in this op-ed, it is clear who he is referring to, quite frankly, garland also saying this at one point, these attacks come in the form of threats to defund particular department investigations. most recently, the special council s prosecution of the former president, the attorney general s rare public rebuke comes right as house republicans are preparing to take the next step today and charging him with contempt of congress seen as lauren fox has more adding to the attention around this movement today is now this opinion piece from the attorney one general. what is going to happen in the house today? lauren yeah. okay. what you re going to see in just a couple of hours is the house rules committee will convene to consider these two resolutions to hold garland in contempt. now, what this does is it is the first step to get it to the house floor. we do expect that that action could to happen later this week. one of the question marks since these two resolution s passed in the judiciary and oversight committees, was whether or not house republican leadership had the votes to actually advance them on the floor. obviously, they re feeling very confident about that, or they wouldn t be moving this through the rules committee today. but again, how speaker for my johnson can only afford to lose two republicans and still get this across the finish line. what this would ultimately do is these resolutions would instruct the house speaker to refer garland for potential criminal charges from the attorney in washington, dc. again, it is very unlikely that that would happen, but this is not without some precedents. if you remember, house republicans actually held eric holder in contempt of congress democrats held william barr in contempt of congress. nothing ultimately came of that, but that just shows you that there is a record and there is a history of the opposing party holding the president s attorney general in contempt of congress. and we should just note this all stems over a dispute over whether or not the attorney general should release the special counsel s audio interview with president joe biden. those transcripts have been released, but house republicans say that they want the audio of the interview to continue their investigation into joe biden lauren. good to see you. thank you so much. let s see what 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spring and seen as matt egan, he s got more on this digging into these what s going to be sobering numbers, what s going on here? well, a lot of people probably think that once they buy their first home, they re done, right? but in reality, they re just getting started because there s all of these hidden costs of homeownership and they can really add up bank rate found that on average americans are spending 18 thousand dollars a year to own and maintain their home. that is obviously a lot of money when you think about it, it s almost like the cost of buying a used car a year. this is 26% more than in 2020. and of course this is all on top of your mortgage payment, right? we re talking about the cost of energy, the cost of property taxes and the biggest drivers according to bankrate or the fact that it s gotten more expensive to maintain a home. and also the cost of home insurance that we ve seen premiums spike, right? for two reasons. one, it s the fact that there s the climate crisis has made it more likely that there s these disasters, right? we ve seen wildfire person hurricanes and flooding. then the cost of living, labor, materials that s all gone up. so it s more expensive to repair when this happens, i spoke to a woman in california yesterday who told me that her home insurance rate doubled with no notice because of concerns about wildfires on top of that, they have to spend $10,000 to repair the plumbing now, she s taking on extra hours to try to make ends meet and she s not alone, kate? absolutely. does it matter? does it change depending on where you live? it does. it does. not shockingly, some of them more expensive places to own and maintain a home or here in the northeast, we seat new jersey massachusetts, connecticut, of course, all of these states high cost of living also high property taxes. california and hawaii, two very expensive it s a place to live. it s costing almost $30,000 a year. now, we ve also seen a big surge in the cost of owning and maintaining a home in hawaii up by almost 40%, but also big increases since 2020 in idaho and utah as well. these are the three states with you price is going to expense is going up the most. now, on the opposite end of the spectrum, some states has actually become more affordable to own and maintain a home. arkansas, kentucky, mississippi, three of the more affordable places to live there. we ve seen expenses go up at a slower pace, but listen, i think at the end of the de, no matter where you live, the message here is that you ve got a budget for the unexpected, the burst pipe, the home insurance spike, because when it happens, it can be really painful. yeah. and you re also keeping tied to this. you re also keeping then keeping a close watch on an increase of underwater mortgages. that s right. so let me most americans are sitting on a nice cushion of equity because home prices have gone up but there is an increase in some people who are seriously underwater. that means that they 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power of tsunamis. it happened in faraway lands and it s easy to think it can t happen here if one hits home, who we be ready silent, earth would liev schreiber sunday at night on cnn moments ago, us secretary of state antony blinken arrived in jordan for key meetings. now he just, just left israel where he says there is consensus among senior israeli leaders, including the prime minister benjamin netanyahu, to move forward on a ceasefire proposal now, backed by the united nations it is worth noting, however, that us and israeli leaders have often had different public interpretations of what that means everyone has said yes except for hamas and if hamas doesn t say yes then this is clearly on them all right, cnn s oren liebermann is in tel aviv this morning with the very latest on what are you hearing? john, secretary of state antony blinken held not only a number of meetings here, but also throughout the region to try to push forward this ceasefire deal and a hostage release. he had come from egypt. and then here he met with prime minister benjamin netanyahu, the defense minister, the leader of the opposition, and benny gantz, who until just a couple of days ago, was a member of the war cabinet before he resigned from the israeli perspective. that s everybody you d have to meet with two potentially get israel to agree to a ceasefire proposal once it s at that stage, but blinken knows he s still has work to do and that s why he s now in jordan and then going to meet qatari officials who ve been a key mediator here. he s trying to move this forward even after the events of the weekend and a hostile a hostage rescue operation in israel that killed scores of palestinians, incidents like that have brought negotiations to a grinding halt in the past he is trying to push them forward. the proposal on the table right now, here is the rough outline phase one would see a cessation to hostilities temporarily that would allow for more negotiations. to take place. a hostage release, palestinians released from prisons as well, and hostages remains released. that then would lead to phase two. that s a withdrawal of israeli forces, a permanent end to hostilities. that conclusion of the hostage release and then phase three would be the rebuilding of gaza from the us perspective, and the biden administration s perspective, they believe they have israel in a position where they ll agree to this. the question for blinken, does hamas and specifically hamas s leader in gaza, yahya sinwar agree we await the answer from hamas, and that will speak volumes about what they want, what they re looking before, who they re looking after are they looking after one guy who may be for now safe, very i don t know ten storeys underground somewhere in gaza as a while the people that he purports to represent continue to suffer and across fire of his own making or will he do what s necessary? to actually move this to a better place to help him the suffering of people, to help bring real security to israelis and palestinians alike hamas has made some positive noises about a un security council resolution that passed in the last 24 hours or so, calling for a permanent end to hostilities. but there is still the details to be worked out and that john is where this has certainly fallen apart in the past. that s what blinken is trying to prevent right now and his whirlwind of meetings through region yeah. just about every time in the past it has fallen apart when it gets to those details are in lieberman. thanks so much. keep us posted on what you here. also new this morning conspiracy theories, falsehoods, and unfounded threats of violence must stop that s from the attorney general, merrick garland speaking out this morning in a new opinion piece to defend his agency and also call out really no uncertain terms the people and politicians attacking the department of justice. garland saying in part, quote in recent weeks, we have seen an escalation of attacks that go far beyond public scrutiny and criticism and legitimate necessary oversight of our work. there baseless, personal and dangerous also saying disagreements about politics are good for our democracy. their normal. but using conspiracy theory is false hoods violence, and threats of violence to effect political outcomes is not normal they are dangerous for our democracy. this must stop joining me right now. democratic congressman greg meeks from new york, he is the top democrat on the house foreign affairs committee. congressman, thank you for being here. this of course, is as republicans are moving forward with another step today toward potentially a full house vote on a contempt of congress charge against the attorney general. what impact will this have? nothing it s again another false allegations. and when the republicans have virtually done nothing in their majority, nothing for the american people. they keep coming up with plots in investigations and hearings that mean absolutely. and turns out to be nothing there s nothing burgers this is you know, i ve been in congress for over 26 years and this is like nothing ever before. we should be doing legislative work. there s a lot of things that we need to be doing should be doing in a collective manner, in a bipartisan manner for the american people, oftentimes, you ve seen hakeem jeffries and democrats step-up to do the kind of thing that the american people need. but these illness investigations and virtually every committee okay. just about every committee, mike committee on foreign affairs we ve had and had to debunk these false allegations from time to time and time again. so it s just something that is i think horrendous and needs to stop. and let s do work for the american people fact that they re moving into rules committee. do you think republicans could only lose two votes? do you think that suggests they have the votes to push this through luck? i don t know what they re dysfunctioning is an oftentimes to get certain things out of the rules that were important for the american people. it took democrats to get that done. so whether they have the votes to get it out of the rules, whether they just don t want we don t want to try to divert the american people s attention away from the a candidate who has been convicted as a felon whether they are trying to close their eyes to the fact or the damage they ve done to ukraine by holding the supplemental 46 months so it seems to me that they are trying to pull a bait and switch the try to keep the people s attention away from what is really taking place in the house of representatives, which is absolutely nothing to talk about what happened here in new york yesterday, un security council approving a hostage, throwing their support behind a hostage and ceasefire deal for israel and hamas the fact that they could agree on anything is a big deal considering how divided the council has been and divided the un has been over this war. and tony blinken said this morning that in meetings netanyahu reaffirmed his commitment to that peace proposal do you do you we have not heard from netanyahu publicly endorsing a peace proposal. do you does it concern you that we have not? i think that the fact that you see secretary blinken there you see the cia director burns there brett mcgurk there, and talking to the various people in the region. i think that the israeli people we see them talking about, they want a deal. everyone wants a deal and that s why i think it s important to now and what should be focused or hamas. and have hamas to agree to a deal i m so happy we ve got those four hostages home. but there was prices to pay for that. and the way to prevent the price of death for innocent individuals and putting israeli soldiers in harm s way is to have a deal done. it is time to do a deal. and i think that president biden has shown the great leadership that he always does and pulling people together that we should be able to get a deal done saudi arabia, once a deal and this then begins to talk about what takes place after there s a deal which was what benny gantz was talking about, which is really important, which and still remains a huge question right now, the house has passed a sanctions bill against the international criminal court for moving to seek for a seek arrest warrants against including benjamin netanyahu for what the court had said was they saw crimes against humanity and war crimes 42 democrats joined republicans in the house to support the sanctions vote. the white house does not support it, but i want to play, i want to play for you. one of the democrats who voted with republicans jared moskowitz, listen to this the ic50, she s saying is outrageous. okay. they have no jurisdiction over israel. they had no jurisdiction over syria. in fact, the icc s specifically said, well, the reason why we didn t go after assad for war crimes we didn t issue a warrant at after he killed 300,000 civilians with chemical weapons, by the way, gassing them it s because, we, don t have jurisdiction. well, they don t have jurisdiction here with israel, but now we have a made-up rule, right? it s, it s magical. all of a sudden they gave themself jurisdiction when they don t have any so that s why it was critical that we pass this bill yesterday on a bipartisan basis you voted against this this very same bill. why are you write and moscowitz wrong on this one? first of all, it s premature. what we had is a prosecutor who applied for a subpoena for the arrest of mr. netanyahu and of sinwar from hamas that hasn t happened is premature. number one. number two, it undermined some because we celebrated that too long ago when the icc did appropriately, it was went to the judges and the judges decided that they would ask for the arrest of mr. putin. should he do? who something of that nature not clearly what is wrong is the prosecutor. and i think that the the bill that passed was so wide in sanctioning allies would, would have been sanctioned and other individuals who are friends that it was just too much. and what we need to focus on narrowly is that prosecutor, to try to equate israel to hamas? that is absolutely condemn able. and something that we are all upset about. and so there s a way that we could work together. and if it was a singularly focused that regard to think that we could have talked about it. but this bill was far too broad it had unintended consequences that would hurt our relationships with numbers around the world a lot on your plate right now, congressman, thanks for coming in. really appreciate your time. thank you. all right very shortly jury deliberations resume in hunter biden s federal gun case. the president s son has pleaded not guilty to three felony counts related to a 2018 gun purchase. with this now, former deputy assistant attorney general, tom dupree, counselor. great to see you this morning. the jury gets back shortly. they walk into the deliberation room. what do you thanks at the top of their minds well, it s a good question, john and i think today is the day we re finally going to get a verdict in this case. i think when the jury resumes its deliberations today, my guess is they re probably going to start marching through all the evidence. i thought the prosecutors and their closing argument did a good job and reminding the jury that regardless of the fame one of the defendant, his last name, he is the son of the president, the jury s task is to focus on the evidence, and i suspect that the jury will go about that task this morning. i suspect they re going to march through and discuss what they heard from all witnesses. the physical evidence, and then really begin focusing their attention on reaching a decision the prosecution overtly referred to the people in the gallery, hunter biden s family, really that has been coming to this trial. why do you think that is? because the defense hasn t exactly i mean, they ve been there and supportive hunter biden right? i think the prosecution here is addressing the elephant in the room. they are acknowledging implicitly, but acknowledging that this is the son of the president who has standing trial, and that the jury can look out and see the first lady, the united states, and other political celebrities. this is obviously a family that is very well known in delaware many of the jurors have had some sort of interaction or at least are pretty familiar with the biden family. and so i think it was the prosecutors way of basically saying, look, let s step back, let s focus on the task at hand and let s put aside any sympathy or any feelings that we may have for this famous defendant and his famous family as all defense lawyers try to do abbe lowell, you re actually seeing a sketch of him, right there has tried to give jurors than a narrow out of reasonable doubt in that is to paraphrase here roughly that hunter biden in his mind it was not addicted to drugs when he signed a form that said he wasn t addicted to drugs on that day in that day alone at the moment the pen hit the paper, hunter biden didn t think he was addicted to drugs. that s the defense argument. there is that something is that enough for jurors to grab onto board? i think that is a pretty narrow path. look, i think that s an argument that a lawyer, tim love. i m not sure. juror is going to love it. i suspect that the jury is going to say that the law doesn t require that hunter biden was using drugs the morning and he purchased the gun. are the hour before or after he purchased the gun? i think they are going to say did he buy this gun and fill out that form at a point in his life when he was abusing crack, when he was under the influence of controlled substances, when he was addicted to controlled substances. and my hunch is that they are not going to parse the law as finally, in his name he really is the defense lawyers are doing that said, i understand their strategy. i 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statement to cnn, hurley says he is humbled by the experience, but at the end of the day, he is proud of the culture at uconn, which includes, i should note back-to-back titles. the deal would have placed hurley among the nba s highest paid coaches he would have had to go to the lake but then there s that but in honor of juneteenth, president biden is hosted a star-studded concert at the white house yesterday with performances from patty lewbel, gladys knight, and charlie wilson juneteenth celebrates the day when the enslaved people in galveston, texas learned of their emancipation. two years after president lincoln signed the emancipation proclamation. and president biden signed a bipartisan bill, making june 19 and official federal holiday in 2021. and while the event was a collaboration of freedom, the president also took the opportunity to rail against what he called some political leaders working to take away the hard-won freedoms of black americans seen as arlette sciences at the white house, with much more on this. what was the president s message? well, kate, president biden, use this june teeth celebration event to stress that he remains committed to protecting and advancing the rights of black americans in this country. he, in his remarks argued that black history is american history three and he did not mention donald trump or any risks specific republican opponents by name. but the president was seeking to really draw an implicit contrast with republicans. he spoke out against book bans, attacks on diversity programs, as well as efforts to restrict voting. take a listen to what he had to say. we re all goes new garments trying to take his back well, there are taking it away. your freedom to make it harder. her black people to vote wow, or have your vote counted. closing doors of opportunity, attacking the values of diversity, equity, and inclusion now the president s message comes as black voters are expected to be a key part heading into the november election, the biden campaign and administration in recent weeks have really been i m trying to tell some of their works to help the black community talking about things like wiping out student loan debt, copying the price of insulin as well as other economic advancements for the black community. but if you take a look at polling, former president donald trump has made gains a with black voters in this election. if you take a look at a recent poll from the new york times and sienna college. while biden wasn t head with about 63% of support from black voters. donald trump had 23%. that s a historic high for republicans uk crossing that 20% margin. now, if you take a look at 20:20 you ve seen a much wider gap in that contest. black voters really made up a key part of biden s constituency back in 2020. and campaign advisers acknowledged they have more work to do heading into this election, especially as we have seen, this narrowing of support. so as you saw the president s remarks, you saw in recent events, thinking back to his speech at morehouse college, speech at an n double acp events out in detroit. the biden campaign working to hold onto that and rebuild that support from black voters, which will once again be key if he s trying to win a second term to the white house arlette time. thank you so much. john new fall out this morning after donald trump vowed to walk side-by-side with a group of conservative political activists that opposes abortion in all cases and calls the procedure child sacrifice in a video message, trump touted his past accomplishments on the pro-life agenda and said that democrats are against their religion, cnn s alayna treene is here now with the very latest alaina while good morning, john. yes. donald trump addressed this suit group. it was part of their southern baptist convention and annual meeting that they have and he really honed in on saying luck democrats are against your religion as, as you mentioned, and tried to convince them to continue to support his campaign. what i find really interesting about this is because with donald trump, he has been kinda, he s waffled on abortion over the past year. it s really not an issue that he wants to discuss. however, when he is put in front of these groups, particularly ones that but are very much against abortion. he very much leans into what he has done for the evangelical community and also people and groups that are against abortion as well. take a listen to what he said last night. now is the time for us to all pull together and to stand up for our values and for our freedoms. and you just can t vote democrat. they re against religion there, against your religion in particular, i know that each of you is protecting those values every day and i hope we ll be defending them side-by-side for your next four years. these are gonna be your years now, john, as i mentioned before, i just want to make very clear what donald trump is trying to do here. he is trying to convince these groups that they have to vote for him. and then if they vote for republicans, that they ll try to continue to undo some of the work he did while in office, which of course touting his stacking of the court with three very conservative supreme court justices that helped overturn roe versus wade. but i will say, as we often hear from donald trump, he likes to tout that he was the most pro life president in history. he s also really angered a lot of abortion active anti-abortion activists by not really taking a position on a federal ban. he said that he wants to leave abortion up to the states. and so this is really angered a lot of these groups as well. and so this message is really him trying to ensure that these people come out for him in november john alayna treene in washington, atlanta. thanks so much. kate, joining us right now, a cnn senior political commentator, anna navarro and cnn political commentator and democratic strategists. maria cardona. maria, this pushes this would john and alina were just talking about this? pushes abortion once again into the spotlight donald trump did not include any specifics on abortion policy, what it support what he doesn t support, he doesn t even mention the word abortion at all in that tape or mark. that does what well, he thinks that it s going to help him screen him from being the one that actually was responsible for taking away roe v. wade for taking away women s freedoms and rights to make decisions over our own bodies. but he can t have it both ways, kate, it was very clean here. what he was trying to do in this video, it s very clear what he tries to do whenever he is in front of these christian groups. and in fact, when he is in front of these christian groups most of the time he can t help himself and he brags about being the one that was appointed the three conservative justices who are responsible for for. turning roe v. wade. and so the more that he talks about this even though he doesn t say the word abortion, the better it s going to be for democrats, the better it s going to be for president biden and for everyone frankly, running on this issue about how women should be the ones the only ones to be able to make decisions about our own bodies for themselves, their families, their communities. and that frankly and underscores that this election is about more than just that. it s about our rights, freedoms in general. and it was very rich that he stood there talking about values and freedoms when he is the one that is completely devoid, a value suzanne is the one who s trying to take away our rights and freedoms ana politico has a quote from one trump voter who it says was in the room for these tape remarks at this gathering saying this this from this is coming from a man named rick patrick. he sounded more like a politician who wanted to be elected i voted for him and i plan to vote for him again, but he was not like the other speakers who were here talking about religious things i read that thinking. does that just encapsulate what is president biden s problem though? this guy is not happy about what he heard from the, from the candidate that he says he voted for before for you will vote for again. but it s not like donald trump trying to have it both ways. donald trump but it s not both sides in it, but donald trump at one point saying that he was going to come up with a abortion policy that was going to make everybody happy he s not going to it s not going to stop him from voting for trump, even if he doesn t like what trump is saying about it you know, i think a lot of evangelicals cross that bridge already and they did so in 2016 after they voted for donald trump after they heard him boast about sexual assault on video and take the campaign, to me, it s just so weird, bizarre, right? how many times have we now her trump and history gets? compared him to jesus compare him to being martyred on the cross, crucified, taking all of this pain for us. it s all of these religious jesus like themes that are somehow weaved into donald trump s existence, which sounds as crazy as can be it s crazy for him to say that democrats are against religion at a time when we are led by joe biden, who in my lifetime is the most religious precedent i can recall, is not a christian conservative, is irish half church, boeing practicing catholic look, this hasn t worked for them, but i do think that there s then a come a time when the rubber s going to hit the road, when donald trump is going to be confronted and on a stage like a debate stage, say, a cnn debate stage, and asked, okay, be specific about your abortion the session because yes, on one hand, he takes credit for the dobbs decision. he takes credit for having appointed those judges he goes to groups like this and he makes wales ambiguous, but very specific remarks about abortion criticized this is joe biden on it, but then on in front of other audiences, he says, oh no, just leave it up to the state. well, at some point on some stage he s going to have to come clean an answer or is he not? not yet? very top. let s talk about talk about what is good to talk about in politics. what is good for politics and not, here s an interesting one, donald trump now wondering aloud about taylor swift is apparently coming from an excerpt from a forthcoming book about his work with with the producer of the apprentice. a conversation that took place as in november 2023, trump saying this about taylor swift. i think she s a liberal. she probably doesn t like trump, but she is liberal or is that just an act he asks, she she s legitimately liberal. it s not an act, it surprises me that a country star can be, can be successful, being liberal trump said before the author noted that s with crossover to pop music years ago, the crossover, she, she can, she can do whatever she wants. i would say is it good for politics to take on taylor swift i mean, this is this just goes into that bucket of weird and strange that we are seeing pop up almost every single day in this campaign. kate. but again, i think the more than donald trump
deliberating a verdict could come this morning breaking this morning, a suspect arrested for stabbing for americans in china the video censored on chinese social media. new questions this morning about what happened and why health experts expressing concern that a bird flu outbreak in the united states could become a much bigger problem there are a assignor is out today. i m john berman with kate bolduan. this is cnn news central happening now alive, look at the federal court in wilmington, delaware, where everyone is waiting for work when the jury now they will be resuming deliberations in hunter biden s federal gun trial. they met for only about one our yesterday. so maybe they have hours of work ahead, but word could come any moment really, the jury is weighing three felony gun charges against the president s son. that together here gray maximum penalty of 25 years if convicted, cnn s evan perez is outside the court, and then it was a big day of closing arguments yesterday. what s expected today? okay. we have the jurors reconvening this morning. as you pointed out, they they had about an hour of deliberations before the and at the de and the judge said they would just come straight back into the jury deliberation deliberation room and reconvene this morning and go through these three charges they they have a form that tells them the standards, the different elements that they have to unanimously agree on in order to reach a verdict. and those include of course the idea that 100 knowingly violated the law when he bought a firearm in october of 2018, that he knew he was addicted to drugs when he filled out that form and according to process to curators, when he lied in, be in order to be able to get through a background check those are the elements that are at the center of this. we saw the jurors yesterday after about an hour. they seem to have started forming a bond at a couple of them, walked out arm in arm as they exited, smiling. these are jurors who have been very, very attentive. they ve been taking notes during this trial over five days over really not a lot in dispute in this case. in the end, they re going to have to reach a verdict on someone who is very well known in this community. you saw the biden family come out in force for them yesterday, 33 rows of seats it s were taken up by members of the community, including an african american church that is doing a prayer service for him every morning, kate talk to me about some of the high points they came out during closing arguments and some of the final things really that the jury heard before they started deliberating yeah. look, it was a very, very tough battle really between this that the lawyers involved here, we had abbe lowell who is 100 attorney, who used a a series of presentations to list what he says. we re holes in the case on the part of the prosecution. he said these were all reasons for reasonable doubt. he also accused prosecutors of rehearsing with witnesses and he accused prosecutors also have been to nail bit noisy. naomi biden, who is a hunter biden s daughter, who testified here, one of the last witnesses and asking her whether she did rugs, something that really caused a lot of emotion from her and from her father that day. on the part of the prosecution, they said, look, hunter biden new, he was addicted to drugs. anyone who puts a crackpipe to their mouth every 15 minutes knows he s an advocate evan perez thank, you so much, kevin, as always, johnson, would this now cnn legal analyst, jennifer rodgers, counselor, we heard from evan there that the prosecution in their closing arguments may direct reference to people in the gallery which included at some points that first lady hunter biden s why biden family members in did so some people who are watching said pretty aggressively, what s your takeaway there? yeah, i was surprised at that. actually, i m not surprised that they address that he had so many supporters there, but i would have done it differently because the risk to the prosecution is that people really sympathize with hundred for biden. there s a narrow pathway for them to find him not guilty, but i think it does require them to really have sympathy for him to get there. and so i would have done it by saying you see, he has a lot of support. we all know addiction is a terrible thing. you might find yourself sympathizing with him, but your job as jurors is to follow the law you have taken an oath that requires you to put aside your sympathy and to look at the facts here. that s what i would have done instead of kinda point, they are not evidence. ignore them. i think that s handling it the wrong way because if they aren t, we don t know for sure, but if they are sympathetic to the biden family you re sort of guilty the jurors are your sort of yelling at them about that? yeah. it s not the right take. i mean, listen in order to acquit or even to hang at least some of them have to find this whole thing about did he knowingly make the false statement? and when you look at all the evidence around his use, not in those two weeks necessarily, but around that time. that s hard to do. so i do feel like the judges have the jury had to do a little bit of nullifying here in order to find him not guilty and guilting them into the sympathy is not the way to avoid that. the judge and the jury instructions seem to make pretty clear that the prosecution version of the law is the one to follow here, which is to say, we don t have to prove that hunter biden knew he was addicted the minute the pen hit the paper right there at that moment or that he was using drugs the minute the pen hit the paper at that moment that s right. and prosecutors always emphasized to use your common sense, right? someone comes out of rehab. they described themselves for years later is an addict. he knows he s an addict. use your common sense but you should find jurors walking hand in hand, eyelid courtroom. that s a little unusual. yeah, i haven t seen that before. they often do get close. they spend a lot of time together sometimes they are at odds, sometimes they re not. it s not uncommon for them to form friendships in the arm in arm, i really haven t heard before. maybe this is a particularly close group, but listen, they need to be closer at least in agreement in order to reach a unanimous verdict. so i suppose that s a good sign for prosecutors know i know people who write lifetime movies. i mean, this could be a good plot. his strange plot for the beginning of something kinda lifetime romance there. the jury is in delaware, which is a very democratic state in wilmington, which is a very biden city that binds have been there for decades it s in decades and decades yeah. how much will that play in the jury room? well, prosecutors are trying to avoid that. this is why they re saying things like, you know, ignore the famous people in the audience and the like, and the judge has told them the same, listen, you have to put aside your preconceived notions about who he is, who the families, and just focus on the law and the facts. but we of course, don t know what they really do in their own heads. and when they re discussing among themselves in the jury room. so we ll see they ve been in there for an hour plus minutes, six minutes, probably at this point, a long deliberation typically benefits the defense. i mean, the longer it goes, the more likely that it s hong it s a simple case, not very many witnesses, if they don t have a verdict today, it s bad news for the prosecutors will stand by. it could come at any moment. jennifer rodgers, thanks so much for being with us. appreciate it. thanks happening now, you re sicker of state. antony blinken is in jordan putting new pressure on all parties to accept a ceasefire and hostage deal where the negotiation stand right now, this must stop what attorney general merrick garland says, republican lawmakers are doing. the he says, is dangerous for democracy d. and this why martha s vineyard is running out of pot altered james is cold calculating, cynical, and needs the money not only was the cia compromise, he also was compromised secrets and spies nuclear games. sunday at ten on cnn can the riva support your brain health? 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are they looking after one guy who may be for now safe, very i don t know ten storeys underground somewhere in gaza while the people that he purported it s represent continue to suffer and across fire of his own making or will he do what s necessary to actually move this to a better place? to help him, the suffering of people to help bring real security to israelis and palestinians alike that one guy that secretary blinken is referring to is hamas military leader yahya sinwar. and there is new reporting and the wall street journal about messages purportedly from sinwar to ceasefire negotiators. one message reading, we have the israelis, right where we want them joining us right now is retired lieutenant colonel jonathan cohen, rica. he was the spokesperson for the idf before and after the october 7 attack. can we say how him on many a time he s now a senior fellow with the foundation of defense of democracies. colonel, thank you so much for being here. i want to get to that reporting from the wall street journal with some additional contexts in just a second, but first on what we hear from secretary blinken meeting with netanyahu and he also not only said there was consensus, he said that netanyahu reaffirmed his commitment and support of this hostage and ceasefire deal, as it s laid out so far, do you think they are closer than ever before to an actual deal we ve seen steps forward and then how do you read this? i sadly don t. and i m not as positive towards the whole development. i would love to see our hostages home are 120 hostages home? and i would want to see israel defeat hamas and return safety to southern israel and improve the situation in gaza but i think that if you re sinwar is in his text messages, he he hits the nail on the head. sadly. and for months hamas has been manipulating global public opinion using international politics. the differences between washington and jerusalem, and they have basically been able to stay alive and stay out of jail using the hostages for about 345 months and that s something that i think is the core of hamas strategy to delay and delay as much as possible using the hostages and kind of try to derail israeli operations in gaza so that the war will end without israel defeating hamas. that s the zero-sum game. and i think that s sinwar doesn t really have a strong incentive they ve to go ahead and release hostages and basically end the war because that is his best tool to stay alive and to keep hamas empowering gaza. let me ask you about that. so the wall street journal reporting, cnn is not seeing the wall street journal message. the message is that the wall street journal s reporting cannot confirm the authenticity of them. still, i want to read some more of the reporting from the journal. we have the israelis right where we want them. we read. it was one message and these are messages to the negotiators of the sea, to the ceasefire negotiators is what and this is another one in one message two, hamas leaders in doha, sin more cited civilian losses and national liberation conflict thaksin places such as algeria, where hundreds of thousands of people died fighting for independence from france saying quote, these are necessary sacrifices here s the thing. if this is the case, if this is the zero sum game that you re talking about, if this is the strategy how does israel take on hamas take out hamas deal with sinwar without playing into his hands that s a good question, and i think that the israeli strategy has been so far to try to get to sinwar, get to the senior leadership of hamas so far not succeeding probably because he is hidden underground with lots of israeli hostages surrounding him as human shields and so far what israel said he hasn t been able to do is to advance fast enough and to get to sinwar and basically decide the battle it took israel many months of staging in order to finally get into rafah. there was tremendous outcry and there were protests that israel shouldn t and mustn t go into rafah. israel easing enough. and there s no humanitarian catastrophe and there s no mass casualty event which proves that is can and should do what it s doing. here is a humanitarian crisis throughout gaza now you ve definitely yes, but i m talking there s not a slaughter and not a catastrophe like people warned that there will you think some have thought hoped maybe conjectured that the rescue operation from the weekend could have changed the calculus. they re getting three men out, men that were not supposed to be in the first batch of any ceasefire negotiation can getting those hostages. do you think do you think that changes the calculations are discussing for hamas? do you think that could scare them to the table it s a very happy event, but eventually it only proves that i think it strengthens the case of getting hostages out via negotiations because i don t think that is what has the intelligence capacity or the otherwise military capacity to get more hostages out like this, because this was a top of the shelf special operations with weeks of preparation, intel tip of the spear israeli commando units i ve got in gaza job done, got the hostages out and i don t think that will sadly have the ability to do so over and over again. and i don t think that it changes the calculation and i think that iran hizballah or a much bigger threat, you know, we re focused on gaza and small details in gaza. the big deal and the big threat to regional stability is hizballah against this. well, and if you look at where alarms or sounding most in israel, it s in northern israel and its rockets and drones, et cetera. and sadly, when you re talking about where israel situated, all it s all big crisis. it s all big alarms that are sound from hamas in gaza to the neighbors around with funded and funded and supplied and supported by iran on in terms of the motivation and position of prime minister benjamin netanyahu, blinken says that he reaffirmed his support for today, but president biden told time magazine in a very recent interview, and here s how he put it. there is every reason for people to draw the conclusion that netanyahu is prolonging the war for his own political gain what s your reaction to them? as an israeli, as a father two children who will soon be serving in the military. i really, really hope that isn t true. and i would like to see evidence that states the otherwise from my elected leadership. i think it s very important and what we lacked now in israel is unity and trust. we are as you rightly said, surrounded by so many enemies that are challenging or very existence. and what s the israeli public now is going through. this battle fatigue, eight months of fighting, relentless alarms and sirens and 100,000 people are evacuated from their homes. in northern israel. and the war goes on. we had four casualties reported just this morning. lots of pressure on israeli society and what s desperately needed is unity is leadership. and to take, carry israel forward in what i think will be the coming years, not months, the coming years will be very challenging you don t think president biden was so off off-base to say that? i don t know, but i really hope that israeli leadership gets its act together unifies, gets all of the parties in israeli politics that are zionist israeli, and want to live here safely and respectfully get themselves together and focus on the most important thing, which isn t political sustainability, but it is winning the war, defending israeli civilians, and making sure that israelis can go back to their homes as they lived before october the seventh jonathan can rica, so general. thank you so much for your time. thank you for having me thank you at least for us college professors are wounded after what s being described as a brutal stabbing attack in china, one person has now been arrested. what we are, we are learning this morning about that suspect, plus the new the big news from apple and you partnership with chatgpt gpt creator, openai, how the company plans to integrate ai into its products. we ll be back devastating and sudden power of tsunamis. it happened in far away lands and it s easy to think. it can t happen here if one hits home, we d be ready silent birth would liev schreiber, sunday at night on cnn. here s to getting better with age here s the beaten these two every thursday helped fuel today with boost type protein complete nutrition, you need without the stuff you don t. so here s two now let s get started no where s your mask? 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right, kate? the arrest is made yesterday, but we only learn about adjust tonight. so obviously there was a gap. and the explanation from police as to what prompted the suspect the suspect simply said he somehow ran into this group of american educators and somehow this prompted this stabbings. so obviously there are a lot of gaps, a lot of holes, a lot of questions i want to show you the scene of the stabbing we were there just a few hours ago. it s about 15 you may hike from where we are right now when we arrived, any evidence of the violence had been literally washed away. there were some stains on the ground where perhaps that blood was a contrast from the images that we saw shortly after we saw these injured americans laying on the ground covered in blood. that s in addition to this, chinese tourists who stepped in to intervene to try, to try to help this park in the middle of the city is very much reminiscent of a large park you would see you in any american suburb, there are trails, there s a train that goes through it, there s a temple. we ve seen a lot of retirees. we ve seen a lot of families this appears to be a very safe place as investigators tried to fill in the gaps in all of this it also is important to look at the current environment, right now in china, for americans, there is this rise of nationalism. it s something that i ve heard in conversations with chinese folks. it s something that is on social media but yet at the same time, we are hearing these overtures for the chinese government from present fusion thing to increase these educational exchanges between universities and colleges in the united states, like that one in iowa with china. in fact, xi jinping set a goal of 50,000 american students that come study here. so this point will have to see what happened here today. the single incident of perhaps dampers that enthusiasm finally, kate, as you mentioned, a lot of these images have been scrubbed from social media. in fact, we just saw a group of people here tonight in this park, gap of it around a phone who were learning about what happened for the first time, about 24 hours after it happened, it s been away from the headlines, sensor from the headlines until very recently, case mark. thank you so much for your reporting especially given in light of that. thank you, john. right. what makes donald trump walk on eggshells or maybe who errantly is taylor swift the revealing and some say bizarre new interview. and why health officials are keeping a very close eye on the bird flu outbreak in the united states hey, mom, how many should i decorated? 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this is going to resonate with the biden campaign believes that tackling gun violence is an issue of importance to young voters, but also to voters in black and latino communities. and so part part of president biden s goal today is trying to promote was his administration has done to try to tackle gun violence, including touting the bipartisan gun safety bill that he signed into law just two years ago. biden, today s specifically will announce the justice department has charged more than 500 defendants with violating gun trafficking and illegal straw purchaser so it seemed provisions that were part of that gun safety legislation. he will be speaking to survivors of gun violence as well as volunteers and activists at everytown for gun safety is conference it s here in washington, dc. this is one of those groups that s really risen in prominence in the wake of mass shootings in this country. the president also is expected to tout the drop hop in violent crime. the fbi yesterday released some preliminary data that showed that violent crime in the first three months of the year is actually down 15%. if you take a look at the number of murders in the country those three months, that s down by 26%. president biden has praised this, saying it s good news for american families and also arguing that this isn t happening by accident, promoted voting a his own legislative and executive actions relating to this. he said, quote, my administration is putting more cops on the beat, holding violent criminals accountable, and getting illegal guns off the street. and we are doing it in partnership with communities. he added as a result, americans are safer today than when i took office. so part of what the biden can campaign, the white house are hoping the president can do today is really tried to lay out the steps that he has taken to try to address issues relating to crime and also gun violence. it tom s as he s not just looking to rally his own base on this, but you also have former president donald trump, who has sought to rally republicans around a gun initiatives. he has vowed to undo many of the efforts that biden has put into place while he is an office, while the biden campaign argues that trump would simply be beholden to the gun lobbies so both men, in their own ways really trying to use gun issues as a way to rally their basis heading into november s election. or let thank you. john so this morning, what makes donald trump nervous or who the answer might be? taylor swift? so asked about taylor swift for an upcoming book, trump says, quote, i think she s very beautiful, actually, unusually beautiful. that s according to a forthcoming book from variety coder and chief from institute with us now cnn political commentator, democratic strategist, public gala, and cnn political commentator and republican strategist. sure michael singleton and paul, there are people who look at that comment and note it s a little strange from a guy who is going to turn 78 later in the week that maybe those are the types of things that he shouldn t be observing right there. but another way of looking at it is for a guy who will say mean things about anybody. he seems to be really careful when it comes to taylor swift right? what both are true. it s an incredibly creepy, i m sorry, i know it s morning. i just threw up a little bit. my mouth. when you read those quotes today, it s just disgusting thing and mr. corruption mr. trump should pay himself hush money. you should just shut up about taylor swift and you can tell he is scared of her trump understand celebrity. he understands the power celebrity that s how he got where he is. ms swift is far more powerful as a celebrity than donald trump ever dreamed. a big and so he s clearly scared of her. and i find that wonderful and amusing, even though the comments about her appearance deeply creepy. sure. michael, i was trying to think if there was another figure who people have politicians have had to walk on eggshells around. you have to be really careful with no matter what you say or how they feel about you. and i was sick. maybe oprah when oprah went behind barak obama in 2007, 2008, everyone, hillary clinton s campaign and had to be really careful than john mccain s campaign had to be really careful. i can t really think of everyone else, anyone else that would make a politician so nervous. i mean, john, i can think of one other person and i think that would be bianna. and i have to say this because my girlfriend were kill me if i did not. one other the person that i think a lot of politicians out to be very, very careful with the lead. i think a lot of these celebrities and younger voters, attractiveness to them not only because of their music, but their lifestyles and also the way they live vicariously by the politics that they adopt is certainly a pervasive thing. if you re a politician right now, trying to win the left section, which we know will be very close and you want to galvanize young people you certainly don t want to anger them by attacking some of the individuals they look up to and i think this is the case. we re taylor swift who is an incredible songwriter. so here s someone who galvanized is not only young liberals, john, but she also galvanizes young conservatives be in a former country star who s now i want to pop music. so there s an interesting dichotomy here. but i think the former president is trying to thread the needle on. i know the biden campaign would love it to taylor swift came out in public and endorse the biden candidacy like she did in 2020. they are waiting for that to happen. i was looking at the calendar, paul, i still can t wrap my arms around the fact that there is a general election presidential debate in like two weeks and yes, it is right here on cnn. and i m not doing this to promote the debate which is, i should note right here on cnn but it just shatters everything i know about presidential campaigns in its drawings. i covered george bush in 2000 and he disappeared for days before the first debate for debate prep in it, we learn later that he d been preparing like a ton for months before should these candidates deep into debate prep for what could be the most important presidential debate any of us have ever seen oh yeah, debates do tend to freeze the campaign and our president has to go to europe for g7 meeting and if i were campaign strategies for him, i would be tearing the last three hairs out of my head. but you can use that time on air force one. so let s watch them manifest on air force one. if my old pal ron klain, president s former chief of staff is on that trip. i mean, they re doing to bake prep on the plane. no one i ve done all my adult life. no one is better at debate prep than the president s former chief of staff, ron klain. but they do need to do. and by the way, so does mr. trump and i know he doesn t like it i shouldn t say this because debates are about expectations joe biden is going to climb donald trump in that debate. incumbent presidents rarely, rarely when the first debate, because they re used to having their rings kissed, shall we say? but mr. trump has talent. he does, and he s great at these rallies but he s never won a national presidential general election debate. he had to three against hillary, two gets biden in the polling, one or two point race, he consistently loses those debates by nine to 12 points. so honest earnest, free advice to mr. trump you need to hunker down and prepare for this. mr. mr. trump and i promise you, joe biden is you just broke the major one rule of pre debate expectations, right there. you re gonna get a golf. i spoke the truth apartment. i try never to do that with you, but once in a while sure. michael, if you are the trump campaign, a. the likelihood that they follow paul s advice and donald trump goes into debate prep. if you are donald trump or if you are the trunk campaign, what kind of prep would you have him do i mean luck in 2016, he had chris christie helping them out. chris christie and entrepreneur longer friends, so i don t think you can call up chris and say, hey, come and help us but i agree with paul. presidents usually don t do well during the first debate. so this is a very unique opportunity for the former president. and i think donald trump is really effective. john, at being able to communicate very simply in a simple way rather on issues that people really care about. so if you can figure out a way to drive and hone in that skill and more focused way on actual issues. i think the former president could potentially surprise people, but you have to be disciplined in order to do so. so i was spent a couple of days, maybe a week or so practicing these things, maybe some of his best zynga s figuring out a way to be more surgical with them during that one hour debate. and let s see what happens. but this could be, and i ll say this quickly, john. i don t think trump should debate president for a second time because to pause zero point presidents don t do well during the first debate, but they usually come back and knock it out of the park during the second debate. so if i m trump, i would try to hammer this in with a victory and say, you know what, that s it. i m not interested in debating number two. paul, very quickly share michael said the issues one of the issues is crime usually is an issue every four years and these new numbers out from the fbi, violent crime, going down, murder rate dropping dramatically could be the biggest drop. on record in one year how should the buying campaign talk about this in a way that it will connect with people absolutely. and i think it all about mr. trump catering to the most extreme and joe biden, big part of the mainstream are, let s report is right. young people and people of color really support the biden gun safety genic. guess what? so do older white people in the suburbs where trump is very weak and it s a web issue. you always just talking about wedge issues. this is a web issue. it s stick stitches together the base where joe biden frankly needs a lot of help, and the suburban college-educated swing voters were biden is surprisingly strong. once a republican stronghold, biden is really strong with those suburban at college-educated voters. so it s a great issue for biden to be touting. and mr. trump by the way, who can no longer even own a gun because he s a felon. he went to the nra and he said, i will be your loyal friend and fearless champion. so that s, that s the way to posit trump is as he can own a get himself, but he is going to be owned by the nra public, alice or michel saying, great to see both you. thanks so much good to see you, jack so health experts increasingly concerned that the bird flu could turn into a much bigger problem and martha s vineyard martha s vineyard? all the vineyards off the coast of massachusetts, running out of marijuana chasing life with dr. sanjay gupta listen wherever you get your podcast check it out. six my work from anywhere cozy grab yourself a drink is this dog food in your fridge? 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or is it is it not, is it there s something else and what they think at this point is that it s doesn t necessarily appear to be more severe. it may be that they, the third person got infected in a different way. first two people may have touched the surface than touch their eyes, which is what often happens. this the third person who is a farm worker in michigan may have actually inhaled some of the virus. that s worth paying attention to what they have not seen. kate. and this is a big thing that they look out for. is there evidence then it spreads as a result of those respiratory symptoms to another human human, to human spread. and so far at this point, they have not seen that, but that s what they re looking for. in short of that, what are the other red flags that they re wanting four yeah. i think one thing is to see a look are there other mammals that are starting to get infected? there s lots of different mammals that have been infected so far. but are there other ones as well? because each time you get new mammals that are infected, especially ones that are closer and closer to humans you may, the virus may mutate into something that can more easily infect humans and they, and could potentially spread among humans. but one of the big ways to figure this out is tested sting. and kate, we talked about this a lot during the pandemic. are we doing enough testing? and the answer right now with h5n1 is that we re not, if you test a lot of people and you say, hey, there s a lot of people that are carrying the virus, but they re not getting sick that s an important message. it may mean that this is not as deadly or is making people sick as we thought testing is the key to sort of get an idea of just how widespread this is. i talked to rick bright, who s a virologist and immunologists about this specifically. and here s what he said. i really think that s a tip of the iceberg. we are not doing enough testing or the even the right kind of testing. to get a better answer to that question is really unusual that we would find just one or two cases with so much virus prevalent and so many places as such, close contact to the source, such as the infected cow or the milk supply every virologists that you ve talked to says we need to be doing more testing just like we said at the beginning of the covid pandemic. so that has to happen. and then again, looking for human to human transmission. that s where a lot of focuses it s good to see you, sanjay. thank you so much and a new episode of chasing life with sanjay gupta, the podcast available right now, jump. then there s this a dog ran for help after his owner crash to call our into a remote steep ravine and a national park in oregon. the man was traveling with his four dogs when he crashed. one of the dogs was able to get free and then walked slash, ran nearly four miles to the families camp site rescue crews, put up a pulley system to get the man who was airlifted to safety the three other dogs were found alive at the crash site. we are effort and comment kate, from them. he was waiting for that. i was like and where are we? 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what is good to talk about in politics. what is good for politics and not, here s an interesting one, donald trump now wondering aloud about taylor swift is apparently coming from an excerpt from a forthcoming book about his work with with the producer of the apprentice. a conversation that took place as in november 2023, trump saying this about taylor swift. i think she s a liberal. she probably doesn t like trump, but she is liberal or is that just an act he asks, she she s legitimately liberal. it s not an act, it surprises me that a country star can be, can be successful, being liberal trump said before the author noted that s with crossover to pop music years ago, the crossover, she, she can, she can do whatever she wants. i would say is it good for politics to take on taylor swift i mean, this is this just goes into that bucket of weird and strange that we are seeing pop up almost every single day in this campaign. kate. but again, i think the more than donald trump focuses and n is obsessed with somebody like taylor swift, the better it is for democrats because i think we do know that she s liberal. we do know that she probably will not vote for donald trump and she may even come out in and endorsed joe biden and kamala harris and the democrats before the november election, which i think would be the republicans and donald trump s biggest nightmare. and that s probably why he s injecting this question mark into this election for whatever reason, he might think helps him. but again, this just goes into the weirdness of what this campaign is. and it gives us the opportunity to talk about the weirdness of donald trump. and again, that does nothing to take away from his base but we know that his base will probably never leave him no matter what. but it does go into that category of moderates and common sense republicans that are going to think, wow, this man to just there s something not right up there this man is not fit for office the biggest night for your nightmare for republicans and donald trump taylor swift, you heard it here. it s good to see you guys. thank you so much the next hours in a new central starts now a verdict could come this morning very shortly. the jury and the hunter biden s gun trial resumes deliberations. the murder rate in the us could be headed to its largest annual decline ever big drops in crime across the board. what the new data tells us, and the bombshells secret supreme court tapes chief justice john roberts samuel alito samuel alito s wife, the one with the flag s. she even talks about flags sara is out today. i m john berman with kate bolduan in this this cnn new set standing by for another historic verdict, very soon to 12 men and women weighing hunter biden s fate will resume deliberations after meeting for just over an hour? yes. but i and any minute we could see the president s son for the first time. today walking into the courthouse that is where he s expected to have to wait or nearby as the jurors decide whether to convict get him on three felony charges related to a 2018 gun purchase. hunter biden faces up to 25 years in prison if he is convicted on all three counts, it is however unlikely. we re told that he would serve that kind of jail time still standing by to standby to here exactly what this jury decides. cnn s marshall cohen outside the court four just once again, how is jury deliberations going to look this morning okay. good morning. it s 8:00 now. and the jury is expected back in one hour, 9:00 a.m. they got one hour of deliberations in the books yesterday before breaking through the night. and they will resume this morning. now, the judge who has been overseeing this case she doesn t feel the need to bring the jurors into the actual courtroom at nine and wish them a good morning. they can go straight to the jury box and once they are all here here today, they can resume those deliberations on the three felony charges that hunter biden is facing for allegedly purchasing and possessing a gun while addicted to it is illegal drugs. now, i should note that, yes, there are three top line charges here, but underneath each one of those counts are a series of elements of each crime that the jurors need to deliberate and degree on unanimously for each element of each crime that s in this indictment. look, you mentioned it he is convicted on all three charges he could face prison time up to 25 years. that seems highly unlikely though, given the fact that he is a first-time offender. but as we sit here, for and wait for the verdict, the fate of the president s son is in the hands of those 12 jurors from delaware six men and six women. there ll be back in about one hour to finish up marshall, we ve seen the first lady going into court. we know that a hunter biden s other members of hunter biden s family have also been in the courtroom as any family does. and can to show their support for him. but that became part of the prosecutor s closing argument. why? yeah. it is, of course, common for defendants to have the support of their family it s pretty rare for those family members to have their own secret service agents following their every move. but they really beefed up the presence yesterday for the closing arguments. obviously, there was the first lady, jill biden president biden s sister, valerie, was their president biden s brother, james hunters, younger sister, ashley, they were all there in the pews. and the prosecutors noticed one of the very first things okay that the special counsel, prosecutor leo wise, said in his closing arguments to the jury, was that they may recognize some faces in the gallery from the news. they america may recognize some of those vips from the community here in wilmington. but respectfully, none of that matters. that s what he s said. none of that matters. he wants them to focus on the evidence, which in the view of the prosecution is overwhelming. kate, jury begins liberation very soon. marcia, thank you. john wright with us now cnn senior data reporter, harry and harry were talking about the hunter biden trial what does the data show about what people think about this trial? well, in terms of how hunter biden has been treated. yeah. you know, there s this real thing. what hunter biden even be on trial if he wasn t the president s son, there are a lot of folks who are on hunter biden signed are and joe biden cited say they wouldn t even be brought. that s not necessarily the case. all right. according to the public legal systems treatment of hunter bye. now, this was after the criminal indictments of them, but before this most recent trial, look at is 66% set of americans say that the legal system, treatment of hunter biden has been fair. in fact according to the polling, if anything, they think it s been not harsh enough on him. just 27% of americans think that the legal system has been unfair. so the fact is, most americans have no problem with hunter biden being on trial. his favorite bility ratings are quite low and it s something thank when you look at the polling, why the white house i think is genuinely worried because he s definitely in their minds potentially a liability for me, at least outside of joe biden and think that, well, the important thing to remember is that it s hunter biden? correct. who is on trial here, not president joe biden, but there is some data in terms of what the public thinks about the president in how he views are is i guess connected to his son. yeah. you know, sort of my leading question here. all right. hunter biden s legal troubles and joe biden, hunter hunters troubles are related to joe 46% related to juror, correct? i m related to job. thank you. 46% say that is believable that they were unrelated to joe. that is the plurality believe it is unrelated to joe biden, just 37% of americans believe that is not believe well, that s a good number for joe biden. how about this joe biden is a good dad by supporting his son, the clear majority, 54% say that that is believable, and this is, i think the polling that joe biden sort of two, is listening to saying, you know, what first off, i don t necessarily care about the public, but secondly, i think the public thinks i d be a pretty good dad by supporting his son. yeah, he may not be looking at the polling all at all when it comes to his public statements about this trial or his son, he may just being a dead dead. what is the potential impact on the left? yeah. a very probably not much at all because the clear majority of folks believed that hunter biden s illegal troubles. they have no impact on their vote. yes, there s this 23% who say they re less likely to vote for joe biden. but you know who that is, 23% are there republicans who weren t going to vote for joe biden anyway? or 4%. therefore, who say it s more likely to vote for joe biden, but you can get for free percent of americans to basically say hard to see the logic there. all right, harriet and great to see you much some police in china have now arrested a man. they say stabbed for americans in broad daylight video appears to show the victims on the ground clearly bloodied and chinese tourist was also interviewed that video though not seen on social media in china as it was swiftly censored after being published. the four americans injured are instructors from cornell college in cornell college in iowa, who were in northeast china as part of an exchange program, officials say they are all in stable condition, but it s unclear what motivated this attack seen as marc stewart is in the city where this attack happened, joining us now, what are you learning about this arrest mark ross has been made. kate police confirmed it just a short time ago. this is a 55-year-old mad and according greene to police, he said he was walking when he bumped into this group of four americans. these for educators. and then somehow this stabbing took place that injured all four of them, as well as a chinese tourists who stepped into you re being. we just got back from the actual stabbing side. it s about 15 hike from where we are now and when we arrived, there was basically no evidence that anything ever happened. look like some of the blood on the ground had been washed away a contrast to what we saw yesterday when we sell these people on the ground, bloody, clearly, a need of help. i should point out that this park is very similar to a park you would see in any suburb in the united states. we ve been here for just a few hours. there are hiking trails. there is a train, there is a temple, there is no reason, but it s a feel safe here. so obviously, a lot part of holes in the story. the blanks needs to be filled in. let s also look at the backdrop in china right now, there is certainly arise in nationalism something that i hear in conversations with people that i have here in china. it s also apparent on social media, yet at the same time, we have chinese president xi jinping very anxious to welcome american students here as part of study abroad programs. in fact, when he was in the united states last fall, he mentioned bringing as many as 50,000 americans and just last week even made a personal reach out to an institution in the united states to have this kind of exchange. so it will be interesting to see if this incident has any kind of damper on things and finally, kate, you alluded to this at the beginning. no one here knew about what happened. for a good 48 hours as soon as this happened, social media posts were scrubbed. it wasn t until we heard from officials and iowa that this came to surface. in fact, just a few minutes ago, there were a group of people gathered around, someone cell phone trying to get the latest information that is the environment, the surveillance state ms fear often that we see here in china, kate marc stewart. thank you so much for your legs reporting work. john wright, new statements this morning and the prospects of a ceasefire 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netanyahu, blinken, telling reporters that there is a consensus among netanyahu and other leaders to move forward on a proposed ceasefire deal that was just approved by the un security council. cnn s oren liebermann is in tel aviv. how much consensus really is there that where do things stand okay. this appears to be more positive position than we ve seen in quite some time now, when it comes to the efforts to reach a ceasefire and a hostage release between israel and hamas. secretary if they d anthony blinken making a whirlwind trip through the region, first, he was in egypt at the start of the week than a series of meetings with israeli leaders, the prime minister, the defense minister, the opposition leader the member of the war cabinet, who just resigned. and now he s in jordan and then we ll be going to cut her. so a lot of the key players needed to get not only the israelis on board and the biden administration is clearly confident that they have the israelis agreeing to the ceasefire proposal. but now to try to push hamas to agree to the ceasefire proposal that s on the table. there have been some positive noises coming from hamas, both in reaction to the un security council resolution calling for a permanent ceasefire, end to the proposal on the table. the question of course, is in the details and that remains to be seen because the process has fallen apart repeatedly on the details in the past, sill, blinken knows who he has to convince here and that s the head of hamas s military in gaza, the most powerful person in the organization, right now, yahya sinwar, he was a blinken said a short time ago there are those who have influenced, but influences one thing actually getting a decision made is the another thing i don t think anyone other than the hamas leadership in gaza actually are the ones who can make make decisions that s what we re waiting now, the wall street journal was able to view messages written by yahya sinwar over the course of the negotiations and from the start of the war, and they give an interesting insight into his mindset and his person spective in one of these messages, the wall street journal viewed which cnn cannot verify sinwar says, we have the israelis, right where we want them. sinwar sit in a recent message two hamas officials i think the broker an agreement with qatari and egyptian officials on the big picture perspective on how many pills to palestinians have been killed here it is clear from these alleged messages that sinwar views this as something almost necessary to push forward the palestinian national cause. here s another quote from the wall street journal. in one message to hamas leaders in doha, sinwar cited civilian losses in national liberation conflicts in places such as algeria, where hundreds of thousands of people died fighting for independence from france, saying these are necessary sacrifices. it s that mindset that blinken is trying to work towards agreeing to a ceasefire here. it s a key question. again, kate, we appear to be closer than we ve been in quite some time now. and yet doesn t mean the process is over or complete at all. absolutely great reporting as always. thank you so much. john wright joining us now is aveyron my year the uncle of former hostage almog my ear, who was rescued over the weekend, sir. thank you so much for being with us while we have you. just give us an update that was elmo doing this morning at a mortgage generally. okay and these drawing to digest what happened with him in the last eight months. and specifically in the last three days you said when he was first released, what he wanted most was a hug and ayesha warmer. how many hugs and chihuahuas has he had now over the last four days? lots of hogs, one shawwa bma but later that day, that s a good ratio. i ll take that ratio any day. what have you learned? what has he told you about his captivity we haven t had the opportunity to talk quietly together. but generally, in the last six months is spent time with two other hostages in the same place. within re kozlov and shlomi ziv and at that time, they were like a team. they are very good friends. they have their own nicknames. they have their own terminology there were lots of time together and they really, really love one each other i heard no daylight kept in the dark for months. what can you tell us about that? i didn t understand. i question, please. one of the things i heard you say is that he was kept inside with no daylight more or less in the dark for four months yes. it s right there in the last six months, this is what i know. i don t know what happened in the first two months but in the last six months, the evan been allowed to leave the apartment. so they saw sound from the windows, but not the gimmick go out what gave him hope while he was in captivity, while he was being held prisoner, hostage what i can tell you is that they were together and the empowered one each other all the time. and its friends where where is back? and e were their back and they supported one each other i can tell you that in the 11th of may is so television in al jazeera? and he saw the forum, the family four room in tel aviv rally and he saw a picture of the game in that rally so we understood that is not forgotten and people are thinking about him. but more than that, it didn t know too much your nephew has now been rescued, but there are many others who are still being held hostage. what do you want to see from the israeli government? what do you want benjamin netanyahu to do? in our personal family the circle is closed and the log is here. and we are very happy. but there are still 120 families who is looking for their deer s and what we want newtoni all to do is to bring them by an agreement because we understand that operations like maga have been rescued, won t bring one other than 20 others so we want to press all the governments for the hamas and on the israeli government to sign this deal and to take out all the other hostages. back home. i have to tell you the joy of the people of israel when they saw four oxygens came back, it was incredible. the joy is enormous and if, if the people of israel will see wondering people of a 120 other hostages that will come back home. it will be a tikkun, will be fixing israel will do anything to do everything. right? it will be lots of energy for us if they re just come back around my air, please, to your nephew, were all mog more hogs and many many more sju armas. thank you so much. and we are so happy for you and your family. appreciate you being with us secret recordings of supreme court justices, even a secret recording of justice alito s wife, what happened and what alito s wife is? now saying about flying more flags at her home and there are signs of some growing support for robert kennedy jr. even in states where he s still struggling, even get on the ballot the most anticipated moment of this lecture and the stakes couldn t 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dinner the recording comes in the wake of the controversial flags being flown at alito s properties. and this is what martha alito had to say about that i want sacred garden cheeses because i had to look cross the lagoon at the pride flag for the next month. exactly. who s like, oh, please don t put up a flag. i can i won t do it because i m deferring to you. but when you are free of this nonsense i m putting it up and i m going to send them message every day now, cnn has not obtained the full form of these recordings. we have also reached out to the supreme court for comment. cnn s senior supreme court analyst, joan biskupic, is with us martha alito talking about flags on tape yes. john, good to see you. and martha ends common certainly were provocative given the controversy over the flags that had flown at the alito home that appeared connected to the january 6, rioters and the stop the steal movement. but i want to focus on justice. alito and what he said at this event and also how much it echoes were justice alito has been on religion just as a leader who has acted as if religion is under siege, he s, he s said that in public comments before. he said that in his written opinions and john, let s take a listen now to what justice alito said this woman as she was surreptitiously recording him at the event last week one side or the other there can be a way of workout, way of living together, please it s different because there are differences. one fundamental things is it really can t. it s not like you re going to see what the difference yeah, john. so again, just a little context on justice alito. remember he was the one who authored the dobbs ruling two years ago that reversed all constitutional rights to abortion. he has been very outspoken. against, especially any kind of protection for lgbtq rights. he s been against gay marriage. he has been very strong on issues that have a lot of, as i said religious themes so that s the context here. and then after after he wrote the dobbs opinion, he even said in a speech at rome that religious liberty is under attack from people everywhere and especially people in power, which is somewhat ironic since he is in power, but he he did not respond to any of our requests for comment last night, but the supreme court historical society did. and let me just read what jim duff, who is head of the historical society, said. we condemn the surreptitious recording of justice s at the event, which is inconsistent with the entire spirit of the evening attendees are advised that discussion of current cases, cases decided by current sitting justices, or a justices jurisprudence is strictly prohibited and may result in forfeiture of membership in the society. but for us, john, for those of us who live in america under the rulings of the supreme court. what s important here is do know that this month the justices are about to issue rulings and so many important opinions. and we ll need to we want to see how justice 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the first three three months of this year, murders are down 26% reported rapes decreased by nearly 26% aggravated assault is down. robberies or down, you look at property crimes, the same trend their burgers have dropped nearly 17%. motor vehicle thefts have decreased about 17%. so across the board and regions across the united how did it states they re seeing these drops based on this initial data i particularly want it focused in on murders. now, there s a caveat, obviously, this prelim preliminary, the year isn t up yet, but murder right now is down by 80% in places like boston, over 40% in cities like new orleans seattle, baltimore, and fill it dell fea, murder spiked about 30% during the pandemic, but then started to fall. i ve been talking with crime data analysts who say that if these numbers now hold, we could see a potential historic drop here throughout the rest of this year. so as we look at this trend some, obviously some promising data when you look at prime across the country, john, look this is the type of data that i imagine everyone, all of the evidence that we have so far is showing a basically a double decline relative to what it was last year at this point, last year, it was down about ten or 11%. now we re talking 19 or 20%. it s plausible that this will be by far the largest one-year decline in american history. so obviously one of the analysts, we were speaking with, and as you were saying they re john, i mean, we often focused on a lot of different facts and figures in life. nothing more personal than when we re talking about crime, whether it s crime that s impacting us, whether it s crime that is impacting members of our community. of course, we are hearing from people like the attorney general who are now speaking out touting these numbers the attorney general saying yesterday in a statement that this continued historic decline in homicides does not represent abstract statistics. it represents people whose lives were saved, people who are still here to see their children grow up to work toward fulfilling their dreams and to contribute to their communities unities. we also heard the president come out with similar statements. of course, this is a topic that can always be improved when we talk about crime. and so this is not certainly not something to celebrate when there was work to be done, but when you look at that trend, particularly after the pandemic, when we saw so much violence is certainly moving in the right direction. and this is the type of trend that we ve all been waiting for, you good to hear, good to see you. josh campbell. thank you very much for that democratic senator bob menendez will soon be returning to court where he is facing federal bribery charges. the prosecution s star witness will also then be back on the stand, which is new jersey businessman jose uribe. he delivered testimony yesterday about the senator, seen as jason carroll, following all of this, he s outside of the court. what s going to happen today? jason well, i think we re expected to hear more of what we heard yesterday, except the only difference is this time the defense gets its chance to question jose uribe yesterday. he provided a lot of detailed information about conversations he said he had with senator menendez directly related to bribery. now remember you rebate as someone who wanted these criminal investigations in new jersey to go away? because they could have implicated people who he was very close to. he knew nadine menendez, he knew she needed a brand new car. and so he says he gave her $15,000 to buy a brand new mercedes in exchange for the senator s influence. he talked about a dinner, for example, august 2019 where he says, i get to ask him, him, meaning senator menendez, for the first time? explain what is worrying me so much. i asked him if there s anything in his power that he can do to stop these investigations. he says menendez answered he would look into it then september of 2019 he says he was at nadine menendez home. he says he wrote down the names of the people in question relate get to that investigation. he says he put it on a piece of paper, senator menendez folded it up and put it in his pocket. then october 29, 2019, he says he got a call all from senator menendez, and basically he told jurors that he felt as though that the situation had been settled and he choked up when he s talked about this, when he testified because he felt like it was all over finally, then at a dinner, kate and 2020, he says menendez told him, i saved your twice not one but twice now senator menendez, for his part, has pleaded not guilty. he says there were no ghraieb that took place here. he says he was simply acting on behalf of his concern so his attorneys get a chance to cross-examine jose uribe later this morning good to see you, jason. thank you so much john alright. new evidence that independent presidential candidate robert f. kennedy jr. is enjoying significant support in one crucial state cnn s even makin reports from wisconsin on a 17 acre tree farm in sackville, wisconsin, dells stand braunton rides around the land with hope. the 2024 election will bring monumental change, shreve in 2020, i voted for trump, but now he says, the former president sounds like a broken record. it s all about the election was rigged and the court system is re this year, the wedding venue owner who plans to eventually transform his property into a wellness retreat is all in for independent presidential candidate robert f. kennedy jr. bobby s the first candidate who i ve actually felt good about. i think a lot of people are very frustrated with voting for the lesser of two evils. is that how you view the major party candidates? yeah, absolutely a self-described conservative, independent stan braunton shares kennedy s vaccine skepticism and learned of him through kennedy s work with the anti-vaccine group, children s health defense the 62-year-old typically votes for republicans, but he s attracted to kennedy s anti-establishment message, ending the form was the financial corrupt sure within our government agencies in the fact that we can t trust our government agencies to do their jobs because they ve been hijacked by corporate interests. you don t think are government agencies can be trusted know why? because they re bought and paid for. i found a video rfk hey, junior on youtube, recent college grad katie zimmerman voted for president joe biden in 2020. but now she spends her saturday mornings tabling at farmers markets like this one in wahba tomasa for the kennedy campaign he s coming to all voters and saying like, if you vote for me, like you ll be able to afford buy a house. first is i haven t necessarily heard if biden say things like that, that appeal to me. if ultimately trump gets reelected how would you feel about that? i would not feel really great about that if he was elected into office, but i i wouldn t necessarily feel any guilt because i was able to have a choice and who i wanted to vote for dog denticola is a long democrat who never thought he would find himself lobbying trump s supporters. to switched to kennedy. what do you think this has go to 24. go watch when he s going to do you haven t even given him a chance, because he doesn t ever what chance anyway, is it hard to convince trump s supporters to vote for kennedy? yeah, i actually just appreciate that he was willing to stop and talk to me, fed up with political polarization, denticola thinks kennedy can bring americans together and isn t worried about him taking votes from biden or trump i person like bobby kennedy, who is really a message of unity, a message for all people i think that s why he s going to actually pull a lot of voters in both sides back on deal s farm. i shared desire for unity to address a deeply divided country. if we don t make some changes and find somebody who has played up solutions and somebody who we can trust who wants to 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can slow the progression of symptoms once they start. and if this gets approved this would now be the second drug that could do that sort of thing. as you know, john, the fda advisory committee that s an independent committee. they make their recommendations. they recommended this be approved. the fda usually follows her guidance, not always, but this is certainly a good sign and that approval could come by the end of the year so for this particular study, they looked at 1,700 people, just over 1,700 people between the ages of 6085 and these were people who had mild cognitive impairment. so this was early part of their diagnosis, early part of their disease and they gave them this drug and what they found was that over time, over 76 weeks that about a 29% reduction in cognitive decline. so they got worse, more slowly. it s not that they reverse the disease. it s not that they stalled the disease. they got worse more slowly, about 29%. so that is the big number in terms of benefit. the committee was paying attention to. on the flip side of that, let me tell you quickly, john, is the risks there are risks of these drugs specifically something known as aria, which stands for amyloid related imaging abnormality. you don t need to remember that, but basically it s these bleeds that can occur in the brain in response to the drug and what they found was about 37% of the people who are getting the medication compared to placebo, 14% did have evidence of these, these changes in the brain related to the amyloid. three people did die as well in that trial. so that was something that committee looked at very, very closely and still determined that the benefits outweigh the risks. john sanjay two very important questions. number one, how do you say the drugs named? because i can t make it out. i can t make sense of that in number two, how exactly does this one work yeah so the nonna mab and mab, which you hear at the end of a lot of these drugs, stands for monoclonal antibody. the other drug that i was talking about, lecanemab also a monoclonal antibody and a lot of people know monoclonal antibodies. they learned about them during the pandemic. but you re essentially giving the antibodies as part of the drug let me show you this quick animation of how it works. you know, amyloid is this protein plaque that builds up in the brain. when you give these medications, it can basically disrupt some of the building blocks of those plaques not allowing them to form as well or clearing them after they ve already formed so that s that s basically how these monoclonal antibody drugs work. and again, this might be the second one. what i tell you one interesting thing about this, this trial the ilo liliya suggesting that they follow the amount of amyloid that people have in their brain. and if the amyloid clears they suggest that maybe just stopping the drug it s a monthly infusion. but they say if the amyloid has gone no need to continue taking the drug when you typically think of the drugs, you think of them as lifelong for the rest of your life. maybe not the case here we ll see how the fda weighs in on that the nonna map sounds like sesame street phenomena to me, which is how i ll remember from now on how many people are we talking about that this could benefit hard to remember yeah. so you got about in the country, got about 6 million people who have alzheimer disease carry the diagnosis, but about 1 million who fall into that early stage category. again, keep in mind someone goes in there now developing early symptoms, sometimes hard to diagnose but potentially 1 million people taking the medication, right now. that is the population. will see in the future if some of these medications get approved for people who are further along in their diagnosis while got moderate or severe now so many people take any any promising news when it comes to all timers. they wanted, they take it so seriously, dr. sanjay gupta, thanks so much for being with us. appreciate it. and this does then the official portrait of king charles has now been vandalized and there s video of it seen as max foster spring. i m in from london. max, what has happened? what is this? well, is a pressure group and they are against cruelty on farms so this is the very famous painting, of course it was famous because lots of people didn t like it, but lots of people did like it. is charles his first official portrait as king these, activists came along making the point that king charles is patron of the rspca, as it s called an animal welfare organization and they have a short farms scheme and the activists say, those farms still are cruel to animals. some of them, so they want to get rid of this assured scheme. so they re basically animal rights activists accusing the king of being hypocritical overseeing an organization which isn t protecting animal rights. so they created this cartoon characters all right, just saying this cruelty on farms. and they use the british characters cartoon characters, wallace and gromit for that. so it s making lots of headlines this is the picture kate you ll remember it. lots of people describing it as some sort of hellscape or him bathing in blood. but it s become a very famous photo. it s become a really big thing on social media. so they re getting lots of attention for it. also. i mean, it is a bit an official portion of the case. i mean, there are people in this group gonna get in trouble from it for this. i mean, let s i think so because from what we can tell, there isn t glass along the front of it either, but it does look as though no paint was used, there s certainly some glue that was used. i think it s certainly going to be seized as an act of vandalism we ve contacted the police, but it s only just happens. so i think that pretty early on in the investigation absolutely all right. max. thank you so much. i really appreciate it i knew our scene a new central starts now start the clock as all this 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