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CNN Newsroom-20131213-19:55:00

if you're talking about the theological jesus, the christ as it were, race doesn't have anything to do with it. paula tarsus tells us there's no greek or roman in christ. so if i were -- if i were, you know, if i were someone speaking from religious perspective, i would say, you know, no reason to talk about jesus being black or white or whatever because it doesn't matter. >> yeah, i have less than ten seconds, eric. >> jesus was not white, fact. >> i love it. can we back the prompter up. i want to show you this before we move on. this is from josh barrow. he's at business insider, and he tweeted this with a caption that reads, don't tell megyn kelly but a whole foods santa is black. that's pretty funny. jamel, eric, thank you. m megyn, good luck tonight.

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CNN Newsroom-20131213-19:06:00

terrorism-related situation. in other words, there was no real plot. but no one was in danger. multiple charges were expected in this case, including but not limited to a charge of material support for terrorism. as of a little while ago, charges had not been filed, and one suspect who has been arrested had not been presented before the magistrate. federal authorities had been billing this as a matter of national security. and they thought enough of it that the governor of the state, sam brownback, decided to attend that news conference. back to you. >> all right, joe johns, stand by in washington. joe has the details on this. i want to get to the former assistant director of the fbi, tom fuentes who joins us all the time. you heard what joe johns had to say about the foiled plot. we hear about the plots at airports, but usually at much bigger airports. this appears to be a much smaller airport. what do you make of the news? >> it doesn't sound like an

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Reliable Sources-20131124-16:28:00

they already knew about this as vince pointed out. this is good that this segment is coming up after our segment about martin bashir. what's important is not the apology but what you're going to do about it. the voters elected somebody who had a criminal record. they understood the criminal record and in fact if you look at the comments on some of the stories, some thought this was a good thing because he would be able to relate to his constituents better. >> now, vince, they didn't just make a mistake with wantwaz davis. another felon was elected and two other people with bankruptcies who were elected who weren't covered. does it say something about the city that so many officials with legal problems are getting elected and are journalists making too much of this? >> you know, i don't know what it says about the city. the city is under emergency manager because of financial problems so the state really has control of it and at the moment city council doesn't have a whole lot of power so that may have diminished the number of people that wanted to run for those offices.

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Reliable Sources-20131124-16:55:00

doesn't that kicnd of make it a black movie? >> treating a movie like a best man holiday that inflects interaction that all of us have with race doesn't make that movie primarily a heavy movie about race in the same way that something like 12 years a slave was. african-american living out their daily lives isn't actually strange, it didn't make a genre picture that we treat it that way, i think drives audiences who should like those movies away from them. i think that's unfortunate. >> vivian, earlier this year we saw a film that became the highehigh est grossing spanish language screen -- why didn't hollywood see this coming and what can they learn about its success? >> it says a lot about the -- what's really interesting about

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Piers Morgan Live-20130703-01:06:00

investigate, the slow investigation, the fact they tested trayvon and not zimmerman for toxins on the body. this is a racial utilized conversation and since the trial started. it's only gotten worse. when rachel took the stand, when the term cracker comes up, that become as racial conversation. i mean, it's unimaginable that trial isn't about race. the question is can the jurors make an objective determination not from a place where race doesn't exist but hold it at arm's length and make a fair judgement. >> we heard george sizimmerman his own words use phrases like a-holes, punks and so on. the one thing we haven't heard from him is anything racial and if you study his background with terms of other people he had reported and so on, there doesn't seem to be any evidence that he's being a serial racial profiler in that sense. you know, is it -- is it unfair to him --

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Piers Morgan Live-20130703-01:10:00

trayvon martin. if he stayed where he was, did what he was told. the police would have showed up -- >> then we wouldn't be here. nobody should be armed. >> exactly. so why -- why should george zimmerman not be punished -- >> because he's not -- >> for ignoring advice he was given, getting out of the vehicle, following trayvon martin and getting into some altercation, pulling out a gun and killing him in cold blood? surely there has to be -- >> i'll tell you -- >> doesn't there have to be some accountability? >> because he didn't get out of his car to go kill him. he got out of the car to check it out -- >> that's -- >> should he have had a gun? of course, i don't think anyone should. as a parent of a 14-year-old and 21-year-old i look at this as what a tragedy but a lawyer analyzing evidence, piers and that's what we have to do. we have to look at the evidence. we don't make a moral judgment -- >> let's look at the evidence -- >> the state -- >> excuse me, the state is

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Piers Morgan Live-20130703-01:15:00

all that stuff we know is true does not lend itself to a guy trying to avoid trouble. >> but it doesn't lend itself to murder, either. the problem here is, as you say, the only person that really knows what happened, who can really speak to what happened and speak the truth, one would hope, is zimmerman who has every reason not to be truthful and not to be honest. >> right. >> i think as the prosecution picks away at stories and prior statements, i think you see that he has not been entirely honest in his description of what occurred, but all the defense has to do is raise a reasonable doubt. the prosecution on the other hand, has the burden of proof. they have to prove murder beyond a reasonable doubt. >> have you seen evidencely that proves that to your satisfaction? >> that proves murder? >> yeah. >> no, not yet. >> murder, the possibility they could convict or a lesser charge? >> i think if a jury concluded

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Piers Morgan Live-20130703-04:05:00

assess this case, despite everybody's efforts to say it's not about race without bringing the race element into it, isn't it? >> oh, absolutely. this case is shot through with race from the very beginning. we saw the way the police responded to the killing of trayvon martin. we saw their failure to investigate, the slow investigation, the fact they tested trayvon and not zimmerman for toxins on the body. this is a racial utilized conversation and since the trial started. it's only gotten worse. when rachel took the stand, when the term cracker comes up, that become as racial conversation. i mean, it's unimaginable that trial isn't about race. the question is can the jurors make an objective determination not from a place where race doesn't exist but hold it at arm's length and make a fair judgement. >> we heard george zimmerman in his own words use phrases like

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Piers Morgan Live-20130703-04:14:00

and the right to self-defense is a law that existed in this country since the begin sglg we only have zimmerman's word for it -- >> true. >> that he was acting in self-defense. >> that's the problem. we only have zimmerman's word -- >> we can't hear from trayvon martin and him getting out of the vehicle, ignoring advice he's been given on the phone by the police to not follow him, all that stuff we know is true does not lend itself to a guy trying to avoid trouble. >> but it doesn't lend itself to murder, either. the problem here is, as you say, the only person that really knows what happened, who can really speak to what happened and speak the truth, one would hope, is zimmerman who has every reason not to be truthful and not to be honest. >> right. >> i think as the prosecution picks away at stories and prior statements, i think you see that he has not been entirely honest in his description of what occurred, but all the defense

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Piers Morgan Live-20130703-04:09:00

this case to a grand jury and decided what, if any, charges to bring. she didn't do that. she's an elected official -- >> jane, jane, jane, let me jump in -- >> that argument. >> mark, let me just ask jane a question. do you accept having said all this that had george zimmerman simply stayed in his vehicle, he had already rung the authorities. they told him not to pursue trayvon martin. if he stayed where he was, did what he was told. the police would have showed up -- >> then we wouldn't be here. nobody should be armed. >> exactly. so why -- why should george zimmerman not be punished -- >> because he's not -- >> for ignoring advice he was given, getting out of the vehicle, following trayvon martin and getting into some altercation, pulling out a gun and killing him in cold blood? surely there has to be -- >> i'll tell you -- >> doesn't there have to be some accountability? >> because he didn't get out of his car to go kill him. he got out of the car to check it out -- >> that's --

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