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by highly experienced program people several levels below me. >> your public statements that nih did not fund gain-of-function research in wuhan reflected the assessment made by aiaid -- the p3c0 framework, is that correct? >> that's correct. >> thank you. thank you for clarifying that. in fact, all of that is abundantly clear in your 2021 senate testimony on this matter. when asked by the senate about gain-of-function research, you testified quote that is why we have committees. we have a p3c0 committee. you also testified in 2021, quote, gain of function is a very nebulous term. we have spent, not us by outside bodies a considerable amount of effort to give a more precise definition to the type of research that is of concern that might lead to a dangerous situation. you are aware of that.
james comer nearly three years ago in october 2021. so despite the clear evidence that dr. fauci and his agency did not fund gain-of-function research under the p3c0 regulatory definition and it is studied under the eco health alliance grant. republicans have levied these unsubstantiated allegations know they aren't true and trying to push their extreme partisan narrative that dr. fauci and the nation's public health officials caused the covid-19 pandemic. >> now recognize the chairman of the full committee mr. comer for five minutes of question. >> your opening statement you attempt to distance yourself from your previous senior advisor dr. morens saying his title was made up. not an advisor to you and his office was in a different
regulatory significance. in fact, their definition is so broad it would include the manufacture of flu vaccines as gain of function. because it is so broad, the national institute of health does not use that definition when assessing whether proposed research is or is not quote, unquote, gain-of-function research. for those assessments nih has instead appropriately used the definitions provided in regulations. and to be clear, the select subcommittee has been reminded by witnesses after witness that nih at all times referred to regulations for the definition of gain-of-function research. not to a nebulous, expansive definition with no legal bearing that is so broad it could apply to, again, the manufacturing of flu vaccines. dr. fauci, according to the regulatory definitions, for
those viruses were so far removed from sars covid two that it is molecularly impossible for those viruses to have evolved or be made into sars covid two. it is just a fact that they were so far removed it could not possibly be a start of sars covid two. >> i want to be clear on this point that the funding and the research conducted by eco health did not produce sars covid two. it doesn't negate that this lab -- another lab could have been doing research and it could have leaked from a lab. that is still a possibility. but it was not directly -- it was not funded by niaid or nih and just for the record, this information was provided by nih to then oversight ranking member
example in p3co that nih applied to propose research, did nih ever fund gain-of-function research in wuhan, china? >> as you said, congressman ruiz, according to the regulatory and operative definition of p3co the nih did not fund gain-of-function research at the wuhan institute of virology. >> despite my republican colleague's efforts it seems to me you have been consistent of this issue from the beginning of the pandemic and they know this. but they still use the terms gain of function loosely. and with respect to niaid staff assessment whether proposed research was or was not gain-of-function research, were you personally involved in those assessments or were those assessments made several levels removed from you and by subject matter experts? >> those assessments were done
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