characteristics about rex tillerson that donald trump views at positives are things that have john mccain concerned. he said he wants answers about the connection to the russian government. i have concerned over his reports of relationships with vladimir putin who is a thug and a murderer. we will have hearings on that issue and other issues concerning him. that is the time to make up your mind. what kind of questions would you ask rex tillerson? his view of vladimir putin, his role in the world, and the leader of the opposition was murdered on the orders, i believe, of vladimir putin and the shadow of the kremlin. the deal that he did in 2011 is estimated to be worth half of a trillion dollars. so you know these are enormously large deals. a reflection of that that was putin in 2012 awarded him the order of friendship, one of the highest civilian honors in russia. tillerson has also spoken out against sanctions in russia and that may be essential in understanding his tenure. that s a good point, comments he made not that long ago. i preesh the reporting tonight, thank you so much. let s go now to buck, a former cia counter terrorism analyst. let s dive into this, this is exactly in your lane. as someone that formally worked with the agency, you know it well, it is not a political mission, does the attack on the voracity bother you? no, i think it shows that he is irritated with the leaks. in the statement he attacked them on the biggest failure. i think it is not right for people who are speaking with reporters, there will be a point of view held by the entirety that s not true at all. there are a lot of people with different views. they go all of the way up to the white house, the oval office, so morale. in a week trump went even remember he said it. does it bother you? it s not how i would do it, but i think he should be given some deference. i do not think it is professional for someone in the intel community to be speaking to reporters on the president elect. at the end of the statement, the trump team says it s now time to move on. is it time to move on or is it time to dig in as the next president and figure out who in russia is doing what and to what effect? the reality of russia in interfering in our election is different between this is something russia should not be doing, there should be a lip lowmatic approach i m just saying this is what i think should happen now in response to what russia did. there is an entire narrative that all of these things came together. the pbi director, fake news, russian interference, and people need to move beyond that. should russia be allowed to hack it? no, what are we do doing to do? and the russian government has no idea? it s very complicated. you re saying the kremlin has no idea about the hacking going on? i don t know, does putin, someone a few levels below putin, and how much are we willing to do in response to all of this. that is a legitimate discussion. i have to leave it there, buck, thank you. coming up, donald trump is not in the white house yet, but as we just debated, he is locking horns with the cia. you re live here in the cnn news room. the answer is 8. bottom line, life is hard. that s why godaddy created website builder. it makes creating a website.easy. build an awesome mobile-friendly, website. and it s free to get started. plus with the money you save, you can hire a math tutor. get your free trial of godaddy website builder now! at godaddy.com when are they leaving? grilled cheese and campbell s tomato soup go together like grandchildren and chaos. made for real, real life. the possibility of a flare was almost always on my mind. thinking about what to avoid, where to go. and how to deal with my uc. to me, that was normal. until i talked to my doctor. she told me that humira helps people like me get uc under control and keep it under control when certain medications haven t worked well enough. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened; as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. before treatment, get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you ve been to areas where certain fungal infections are common, and if you ve had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don t start humira if you have an infection. raise your expectations. ask your gastroenterologist about humira. with humira, control is possible. my budget used toespecially downer. around the holidays. i made a list of everyone we need to get gifts for this year. but thanks to fingerhut.com, we can shop over 700,000 items from brands like samsung, kitchenaid and lego. all with low monthly payments. just click on over to fingerhut.com for the credit you deserve to get all kinds of great gifts. 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he said he is more than a businessman, this is a job for a diplomat. someone with a sophisticated opinion on these matters. he was very close, he got the russian order he is down with russia, but for the global rand sk landscape, rebuilding information and iraq, these are questions for a sophisticated person with a general understanding. he barely believes in science. she a dangerous and holy unqualified he came out, he said our stance was man made. he supports the paris agreement, and she a big proponent of free trade. how do they square all of those differences. he is taking heat from other conservatives. they need to be in favor. they have been a leader and i think it is different than what they characterized him as. one of the reasons that donald trump has been looking at him is that one, he is not a politician. he had a lot of politicians be in this role and some of them have not been very successful. i think he understands diplomacy. one example of that is russia. john mccain s statement he made earlier today said we re going to ask him to look at this at confirmation. i think it is a very, very fair question that john mccain brought up. ultimately, this is someone that knows how to work with foreign laiders. donald trump wants people around him to go out and do what donald trump wants them to do. the counter point is that half a trillion dollar oil deal is not the same as negotiating with russia about a cease fire in aleppo. my point is. he said he was making a plan he is not trying to bring up the right guy. many t is scene that you have been, and trying to negotiate a cease fire, or trying to draw down troops. trying to help the iraqi army. only a politician can do that, john. hots can do the job. so give him a chance. but by your logic, anyone can do the job. i m not saying that is not true, he has been dealing with things i have to wrap it up, guys. guys, thank you both very much, i suppose we should give the trump team a chance to make their pick, this has not been the pick yet. thank you very much to you both, have a good weekend. coming up next, starbucks visionary ceo is stepping down. why? 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we have worked together on the board and for almost ten years now. in that period, we basically have co-authored the long-term strategy of the company. i also think with great humility that his skill base is better suited to run on a going forward basis than myself. why? his experience with regard to a global enterprise, how customer facing technology plays a huge role in our future, and i m not leaving. i m around to help, support, coach, whatever i can but you re not going to hover you said? no, i made mistakes at a different time in my life, but i m ready, more than ready, to hand over the reins. so you have some venti sized shoes to fill. how much will be your own footprint, how much of it will be howard. you have a ton of experience, how do you build on what howard built? we co-authored the strategy. i realize that i m not howard. i m kevin. so i m going to lead in an authentic way, and i think i had the opportunity to get to know the management team, i have worked in every part of this country. i believe in the strategy and i know that i have to be authentic in my lift. one of the things that howard has done that set him apart was using his voice on social issues, guns, gay rights, politics, will you do the same? i think the mission of the country, that is an authentic mission. if we see something that we think we can help make positive social impact on, we re not afraid to take a stand and to have a voice in doing it in a constructive and helpful way. that is part of the fabric of the country and i don t see that changing. you said recently i wanted to build a company my father never got to work for. did you achieve that? i think so. but i don t think he lived to see it. he was a blue collar uneducated army vet. he had a series of because jobs and over his life became bitter and angry that he was not respected in the workforce. in many ways that was a time in america where blue collar workers didn t get benefits they deserved. he lost his health care. yeah, so i wanted to build a company that would respect and dignify everyone regardless of their station in life. so e why, i think i have done tha that. what about people at home thinking wow, my livelihood is being replaced slowly by machines and robots, what s the future for them in america s workforce? if you look at the 300,000 partners that wear the apatrol, we re demonstrating that we can have jobs that people can come and contribute to, and we will pay for their college education. so finding ways so show the empathy and the respect and help people deal with that chance what we re about. you said given the state of this country there is a need to help those left behind. what will you do? you have done a lot of social impact from the ceo seat. we clearly view the fact that we have stores in almost every community in america and have an understanding of what is happening in cities across the country. i will give you two examples. we have a significant homeless problem in seattle and around the country. just the past week, we announced we ll make a significant contribution in terms of money and resources to try and create housing for homeless. in addition to that, there is a large number of people that are hungry every night and go to bed without food if is a cause for humanity. i think we continue to look for ways to leverage our scale for good, and i think not do anything that would be disrespectful to the president-elect, and not do anything that would in any way derail the support and confidence from one group to another based on the fact that we want to help those in need and we think there is an opportunity and responsibility we have for our people. you supported hillary clinton, and you wrote a letter saying you were shocked by the outcome of the election. you say it was a display of bigotry, hate, and i did visiveness. since then you said it is our responsibility to give him an opportunity to govern and come together. have you seen encouraging signs? 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neighborhoods, the smartest people who work for you in your staff, they all live in the same neighborhood. whether they re black or white or asian. there s this book written, there s a test if you are part of the new elite. the new elite are corporate executives, really quality lawyers, doctors and because it s now at the point where it is merit-based, whether you re part of the elite, we ve kind of forgotten about ordinary americans out there. and so, it s like, it drove my boys crazy. it had them take the test in the book and it said, have you ever been on a factory floor? were you raised in a neighborhood where over 60% of the people didn t go to college? if you get a chance to go to starbucks or mcdonald s for coffee, where do you go? do you know anybody who has whole milk if their refrigerator? because everybody else has skim milk? elitist. so part of it is that it s understandable, the good news is, it s based on merit advancement in many cases now, but the bad news is that these folks who were the people who are not the salt of the earth, they re the stuff that makes everything grow. and they re capable of so much more. that s why i think our focus on free college education, our focus on making sure that there s child care and get women back in the job market. our fox on things that are just basically simple fairness. minimum wage. i mean, people want to know that we really do my dad used to have an expression, chris. he said, i don t expect the government to solve my problem, but i expect them to understand it. let me ask you about the things that mr. trump, who you want to beat up, because you do, i know you do, you said so. mr. trump comes out there and doesn t annknow anything about politics or have any ideology, but he jumped on these issues. illegal immigration, trade relations, which have cost the manufacturing base in this country, and wars which have cost the lives and the arms and legs of their kids. because it s not the elite we re talking about that are fighting these wars. it s those people we re talking about from pennsylvania, western pennsylvania. so he comes on and grabs these three issues? why were they available to him? why weren t the democrats figuring out these things? they re open to him. well, by the way, they were available to us. that s why barack and i ended these two wars. we re still engaged, but we re not talking about spending $10 billion a month. we re talking we re not talking about 200,000 people, 170,000 people in a war zone. they were available to us. and we were talking about making sure that we take all the actions in the world trade organization. we brought more actions against unfair trade practice than any administration has. and a lot of people like my son went to war, and came back war heros. and what we did is, that s why we focus so much on military families. and so, but, look, when people have been really everybody liked beau. well thank you. that s nice of you to say. it s true. i do. but, anyway, trump comes along, for example, you never heard me criticize the tea party. and the reason i didn t is because a lot of people are scared, beat up, and what happens, they lost a lot, and what happened during the bush administration and the great recession, and they re angry. and so there s two ways to deal with it. and people go out and you find a scapegoat. and it had to be because of the government. i remember we were running in 2008 a woman standing on a chair at a corner with about 100 other people saying, don t take my medicare. isn t that funny? they think government isn t the people who created medicare? so i think when you re appealing to people s fears and anxieties, you can make some gains. but the end of the day, i think you re going to find, i ll make you a bet, that in the state of pennsylvania, a significant number of those non-college-educated white women and men vote democrat before this is over. the reason i m involved in this, what you were talking about, i was reading the washington post, everything you ve i ve been thinking, bobby kennedy when he died, his train s coming down through jersey to pennsylvania and washington. and you see white guys. a white guy with a dirty face, saluting. that s right! we ve lost that gut connection, i think, with the working people out there. we have black support, the democrats do, the liberals do. but this is gone. this salute to the democratic party. how do you get that back? you can do it, i think. because you have to talk to them. you have to engage with them. you have to go and let them know that you understand their act anxieties. look, when barack the president picked me up coming from philadelphia in 2009 to go down to be sworn in, thousands of people were along the track in delaware. there were those white guys in hard hats, saluting. and because i ve always i get it. but i think we got to the point where a lot of local democrats took it for granted. and look, the other part of this is, you know, i may be mistaken, but i think after sam nunn left, i m the last guy in the senate that got a majority white male vote in their state. but again, a small enough state write paid attention. and by the way, i get overwhelming support in the african-american commity. i ve seen it. overwhelmingly. let me ask you about the downside of trump, the danger side. it looks like he s losing, you know more than i know, but if he loses, election night is sort of predictable, say he carries ohio, maybe. maybe it s close in florida, but he loses. pretty clearly secretary clinton wince with a pretty strong electoral victory. it s obvious she won. and he says nothing or he says, they screwed me, they rigged this thing from the beginning. what will be the danger and how would you as an elected official be able to deal with that? how are you going to bring back the public with his 38 or 40%? well i think that you ll only have let s say if he gets, god willing, 38 to 40% of the vote. i think at least two-thirds of that vote knows it s not rigged. you re going to have people, though. you always have them. whether they whatever their background, who are going to believe it s rigged. i saw an interview on, i think, on msnbc this morning, before i took office. good habit. well, yeah. but i saw a guy standing there and he had all these trump signs and they said, are you going to vote? they said, how are you going to argue it s rigged? he said, it s a rigged system. i m not going to vote. it s rigged. look, we ve always had that element in every election. the difference is, we ve never had the head of a great party saying that it is rigged. but i really don t now, what would be a problem is if, in fact, is if you have a gore, you know, bush election, god forbid, and he says it s rigged if he were on the short end. i don t often agree with charles krauthammer, but he wrote a hell of an article about how fragile democracy is and you can t play with it. that should be disqualifying in and of itself, what he s saying. you got elected at an incredibly young age, and you know what lick life is. no one s had your run, if you put it lightly. people are still extremely generous. they are fair, and you know, i think people can tell, you know, not about me, but i think people can tell whether when someone says something, whether they mean it. yeah. i think they can taste it. they trust you. your numbers have gone up since you haven t run for president. oh, it s amazing. by t way, you guys never gave me credit. they were up before i ran for president. but you re booming now. is that a lesson there? don t run for president? if i had known that, i would have announced every two years i wasn t running. okay. let me ask you about the world series. sure. now, you re a phillies fan, so does that make you a national league fan? a cubby fan? no, i m a phillies fan because they re in philly and i want to sleep with my wife. she s from willow grove. we know this. she hails from willow grove. oh, god, is she a philly fan, any sport. i know you re not supposed to say who. i m an american league fan. really? how d that start? the yankees? scranton and the yankees. everybody in scranton is either there s not many phillies fan in i know about that. that s how i was raised. my grand pop was a great athlete, went to santa clarita, played football and i was raised on the yankees. despite the nomination of the national league growing up, all those years. despite. despite it. despite san francisco and l.a.? i m so old, i remember bob feller. early win! i remember that, four straight. the best the indians had the best winning record with 114 games. and they lost four straight, to the giants. leo deroacher and those guys. remember deroacher s comment? he said, better to have lady luck on your bench than skill. my grandfather you d to say, it s better to have both. let s think about that tonight, mr. vice president. thank you for your time. and we ll be right back. you mart sav. still here in pittsburgh. coming up, reaction to my interview with vice president joe biden as he and the president look to help hillary clinton into the white house and perhaps protect their own legacy. plus, donald trump says the polls that continue to show him trailing, in some cases trailing badly, are phony. that s his word, yet he s touting endorsements that he claims he has, but he s never gotten. they don t exist. and a new prediction from the cook political report. it says democrats could pick up between five and seven seats on election day in the u.s. senate and win control of the senate. it s all coming up this hour, when hardball comes back. [rockusic playg] [mus stops [record scrat] announcer: don t let e. colimos. anstimated 3,000 americans die from a foodborne illness each ye. you cat see theseicrobes, but they m be there. soalys sepate raw meat from vegetables. keep your family safe foodsafety.gov. you cat see theseicrobes, but they m be there. welcome back to hardball. that was, of course, vice president joe biden sliming actually, slamming well, perhaps sliming as well, donald trump s self-described locker room talk in miss interview with hip today. well, moments ago at a rally in florida, trump responded to the vice president s words. did you say where biden wants to take me to the back of the barn? me. he wants to i would love that. i would love that! mr. tough guy. you know, he s mr. tough guy. you know what he s mr. tough guy, when he s standing behind a microphone by himself. that s what he s he wants to bring me to the back of the barn. oh. some things in life, you could really love doing. our nation has lost and by the way, if i said said that, they d say, he s violent, how could ef-done that! well, in our conversation, vice president biden spoke about how democrats and some republicans to a lesser extent have lost touch with the white working class of this country. here it is. we don t associate with their difficulty anymore. and it s almost like, like somehow, they re in good shape, but they re not. they re not. the fact of the matter is, those people we re talking about built this country. they built it. and they are smarter than we give them credit for. there s almost like what s happened in both parties, is there s sort of a yielding to pedigree. yeah. you know, the guy who goes to penn state, university of delaware and the guy who goes to yale or penn. the guy at yale or penn must know more. joining me right now for their reaction individually is robert costa, national political reporter at the washington post and howard fineman, global editorial director of huffington post and an msnbc political analyst and katie packer is a republican strategist, formerly with the romney campaign. i ll leave the pugilistics aside for a second here. robert costa, i ve never heard biden lay this out so clearly. the fact that we have this meritocracy gone bankrupt, where only the people at the very top academically are given any consideration by the democrats in terms of policy. he speaks with personal experience, it seems, for a guy who went to university of delaware for example, about this almost british-style system, if you didn t go to oxford or cambridge, don t talk, we re not listening. it s a fascinating interview, especially at this political moment as democrats look at the map and they wonder, in places where trump has been popular in the industrial midwest, can they make some gains? can they connect with these aggrieved voters who look at globalization and are unanticipate, are frustrated with the economy. and biden made the point that is not just about policy and ideology. it s about the vernacular. it s about making a visceral connection with these voters that have been left behind. we ll track david patrick moynihan, one of our heros, when he talked about this loss of support among the white working class, starting way back when bobby kennedy was killed. it s been gradual, but persistent. they re turning away from the democratic party, which they view as culturally elitist. your thoughts? first of all, chris, don t leave pittsburgh without having a cut of minhio s pizza in squirrel hill. that s my number one thing to you i went to pizzi rola in mark square no really bond with the working class this pittsburgh, you ve got to do that. two days before the pittsburgh in cleveland, i spent time going to the counties around the city of cleveland, talking to those very white, working class voters we re discussing. they feel screwed. it s not about the language. you know, it s not about learning how to talk to them. as joe biden said, these people are not dumb. they re feeling screwed. and they re feeling screwed by trade policy, which, by the way, wasn t just a matter of the bush administration did, that s what the clinton administration did. they re upset about immigration. and illegal or undocumented immigration, which they feel is taking their jobs. they re concerned about big money in washington and the fact that their voice is not heard. they re concerned about terrorism. they feel that they are part of another country and it s not theirs. and i think a lot of that has to do with policy. joe biden hit some of it, but he by no means hit all of it. and i think to and i felt back then that trump was going to win ohio and i think he is going to win ohio, because of the decimation of industrial ohio. that s real and that s happening. well, you put your name on that one. i think ohio is the one that i m watching, is a statement. even if trump gets blasted away other places, that is one hell of a statement for him to carry a significant state. katie, your thoughts about this? we re talking about the cultural and economic disconnect between democratic leaders a to the highest level and voters who have turned away from the democratic party, starting well a couple of decades ago. they have started moving away. i think there s been a real cultural shift, where there s a sense that there s kind of this elitism, within the democratic party. but when it comes to trump, it s very easy to speak to the anger and frustration of these people that have lost jobs, that have seen their communities collapse, because businesses have left. when you don t have a plan that s accountable to anybody. it s very easy to say, we re going to fix all of this, we re going to fix immigration by building a wall, we re going to have good trade deals. but to not have any coherent plan that anybody s able to challenge you on well, who s got one? yeah, katie, who s got a coherent plan? if trump doesn t have one, name the other people who do? what are democrats saying to people in ohio? what are they saying to bobby casey s people in pennsylvania? they may not like those individuals, but they don t like the national democratic tea party quite as much. right. can i also say, chris, in talking to those people there and in other states, i think they know that donald trump doesn t have a plan. and they re almost looking to trump as a kind of bell to ring in the night. it s a protest vote. and frankly, on trade, hillary doesn t have anything much to say. she says she wants to well, the only thing i would challenge on that is, they may not think he has a plan, but they have bought into this idea that he s been very successful. he s got a big plane, he s got all these companies with his name on them. so he s succeeded at things. so they are putting a fair amount of trust in him to deliver on some thing. let me go back to robert on this. robert, there s a reason this is a good, important topic to get to. there s economic disconnect with the establishment. the only way you can explain people voting for donald trump is not his personal behavior, not his lifestyle, not that he s been caught up in this audio with access hollywood that certainly has hurt him. it s despite that. they re not voting for him because of his misbehavior, they re voting for him despite his misbehavior. therefore we ve got to get, if you care for politics in this country and democracy, you ve got to figure out what is it that may cause40% of the people in this country to vote for somebody, who many believe is disqualified personally by his personal reasons. i think we re all hurting the country if we don t learn a lesson. why would you vote for trump? it s not trump himself. something else is moving this. for many of these voters, chris, he s disruption. they re not voting for trump. they re not even entranced that much by his biography. he s disruption to the institutions with, the media, government, corporate america, institutions that they believe have failed them. and that the problem for both parties right now is that this dynamic is likely to continue, past november 8th. the democrats who went for senator sanders in the primary, who are unhappy with trade and immigration and the economy, they continue to be there. the trump voters continue to be there, even if trump goes back to mar-a-lago. and just to show how dangerous this is in terms of protests, back in 1992, not a million years ago, when bill clinton was elected, 19% of this country voted for ross perot, who was certifiable. 19% voted for a guy who was uneven in his thinking. let s put it that way. now, 38% are going to vote for trump, probably, at least. so double we have doubled the number of the protest vote in this country against the establishment. that s what s going on. howard, last thought? i was just going to say, if you can get somebody who comes from that part of the country, who is a regular guy, the way joe biden is a regular guy, and get them to use social media to raise the money to run, and not be a billionaire ross perot, not a billionaire donald trump, that s the thing to look for the next go-around in presidential politics. let s stick with that thought. pardon me. what, katie? maybe ben sasse. okay, that s your guy from the state of nebraska. we ll be right back with robert costa, howard fineman, and an early pusher for ben sasse. and our night of vice presidential discussions continues tonight. by the way, 9:00 tonight eastern, join rachel maddow as she interviews tim kaine, who s running for vp and could well be the winner already, head there had, already. and at 11:00 eastern, brian williams sits down with mike pence, his opponent. is so we re bound to get their next vice president and we re covering all the bases tonight vp wise. when we come back, why is donald trump talking about polls he calls phony, and at the same time, he s talking up endorsements. but actually he doesn t have those endorsements he says he has. this is hardball, the place for politics. welcome back to hardball. after meeting with law enforcement and first responders in st. augustine, florida, yesterday, donald trump tweeted that he d received the endorsement of the st. john s county sheriff s office. but as it turns out, the sheriff s office did not endorse trump, as he had claimed, clarifying on twitter, quote, comments have been made that sjso has endorsed a candidate for president. the sheriff s office has not made any official endorsement, closed quote. trump later spoke about it in a tv endorsement and boasted that he had received the endorsement of every police department and a conceptual endorsement from the u.s. military. here he is. when we say first responder, we re talking about sheriffs and talking about all the people having to do with the sheriff s department, but we re also talking about the paramedics who are so important and the firefighters. and we had a fantastic meeting with some of the folks pretty large group of folks. and they ve endorsed me. endorsed me, fully. i ve been endorsed by virtually every police department and police group and i ve been endorsed largely, conceptually, at least, by the military. but as nbc news fact checkers point out, none of that is true. the department of defense has its own set of guidelines that tightly restricts any active duty military or civilian personnel from publicly choosing political sides. trump does have the endorsement of some retired are military figures as well as some unions who are engaged with law enforcement. we re back with robert costa, howard fineman, and katie packer. katie, as dezi arnes used to say to lucy, explain. what s the point? the only explanation that i can come up with is that every military guy he talks to endorses him. but i m get geuessing the peopl that don t like him don t come and talk to donald trump. it s delusional behavior. is that the delusion that allows him to believe that every time he goes to a rally and there s 10,000 people there that he s carried the state? there s no excuse for it. it s not based on evidence or actual endorsements, but it s certainly reflective of donald trump s personality, a marketer, a real estate developer. he s he has a tendency to brag. howard? well that s well said. chris, i just want you to know, i have so many conceptual pulitzer prizes. that i m going to give one to robert, so well, give them all away. you can have them all. you deserve them this year. this conceptual. anyway, in a photo op with his staff at the doral hotel down in florida, today, said that all his employees have a problem with their health care because of the affordable care act, because of obama. let s listen. so we re going to repeal and replace obamacare. and i can say all of my employees are having a tremendous problem with obamacare. you folks, this is another group. is that a correct statement? i mean, you look at what they re going through, what they re going through with their health care is horrible, because of obamacare. now back to planet earth. but later, trump told reporters that it s his company, not obamacare, that provides coverage to most of his staffers. the general manager further clarified that 95% of trump s employees at the hotel are not on the obamacare exchanges. so how do we explain that, howard, that he s blaming obamacare for not being involved with obamacare? well, he doesn t care. he s not disciplined enough or able to focus enough on the most elemental details to be able to do the slam dunk on obamacare. here the headlines are, rates increase by 25%. a lot of people think that obamacare is imploding, all right? that there s a legitimate argument about that. instead of making the clean kill on that, to mix my metaphors, donald trump doesn t even bother getting the facts straight about his own businesses. i mean, it s sloppy and almost disqualifying in and of itself. it s like, he knows he s not he seems to know he s not going to win. he s kind of mailing it in here, going around the couple the last couple of weeks. it s even worse, even sloppier than usual. the great radical activist, tom haden, just died the other day and he once accused in a primary campaign i m sure you know about this, he accused his opponent the democratic senator of dating teenagers. and when he said, give us one example, he said, i can t, but it s metaphorical. he s metaphorically dated teenagers. that s like conceptual. what s that mean? metaphorically dating teenagers when you re in your 40s? your thoughts? i ll leave that one on the shelf. but i think what we re seeing from donald trump is a candidate who has delved into a conspiracy in the past. he has dealt in falsehoods and exaggerations. and right now, most republicans in the senate and house races, they re seizing on the affordable care act issue, trying to say, this is something they can run on, in spite of all the thunderstorms around trump. trump himself, is taking on the issue, but isn t making a large coherent case against it. well said. thank you, katie packer for joining us. please come back again, howard fineman, as always, and robert costa. up next, democrats are getting more confident they ll not only win the white house come next month, but take control of the united states as well. that will be a big double win. up next, you re watching hardball, the place for politics. when you relose to the people you love, es psoriasis ever get in the way of a touching ment? 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at this point, i m very confident. we re already giving them two. illinois and whisk, which means that out of that toss-up column, they need to win two more. i mean, that s pretty achievable. but when we look at the numbers, when we look at states where trump s numbers have dropped, we ve seen republicans numbers dip not nearly as much, but we ve seen them dip as well, it s not hard to see how they get five, six, seven seats. on an issue, how biden started tonight, i was kidding around with him with the boxing gloves, because of that thing he says, and he said it very passionate, lewant he wants to fistfight with trump, and trump racketed to it, over the issue what trump was recorded of saying, is this one of those outside variables that jumps into a campaign and jolts it in one direction? absolutely. republicans were really holding their own before that. they were running their campaign pretty separately from trump. they weren t really tied to him in any way. we saw very little evidence of what is being called the trump drag. now, it didn t happen overnight, but since the tape emerged, we ve seen those numbers go down, we ve seen the generic ballot tests, would you rather have a republican or a democrat in congress? we ve seen that number slip some for republicans. so, i really consider the tape a turning point. let me go back to david corn. aside from philosophy, left versus right, ideological warfare, is this one of those weird things i m convinced that it s become something that the average voter, who may not be that philosophically directed left or right says, wait a minute, is that somebody running for president talking like that? your thoughts. well, i think it was a very decisive moment. and it came at probably the worst time in the election cycle, the election campaign cycle, just as we were getting towards the final debates and when people are really focusing and trying to make a decision if they haven t made a decision. so i think it really clarified the type of choice that voters face, and the type of man and person that donald trump is, and that was so negative. it does reflect on the whole republican party, and it put people like kelly ayotte, who s up for re-election in new hampshire, who s a vulnerable republican, really in a terrible position, and you see her state on that map there, because, you know, she can t run from trump at that point, although she s trying. but it s a little bit too late. you know, michael, it looks like he was trying to i m looking at it a million times like everybody else, that tape, it looked like he was trying to impress belilly bush. that s looked what it was trying to do. i think that s what it s two guys talking, jock crap. and that s what but he wanted to impress how tough he was. come on, michael. no, he s admitting doing something. he s not just bragging about ocourse! making that point, that s how he tried to impress him. look, we re just talking about two guys in a trailer talking crap. talking trash with each other. and so, yeah, that was a defining moment in a very real way, because we got exposed to it. we heard it. and i think for a lot of women out there especially, that was kind of the final connection that they needed to break off, you know, the relationship, if you will, with the republicans and in particular, this nominee. okay, jennifer, what did woman hear? i think if they listen to it four or five times, which was easy to do, it s been on a million times, they heard not just trash talk or locker room. they heard a guy describing physically what he s done to women, with total strangers. well, exactly. it went from trash talk and trying to talk a big game about, you know, about his prowess with women, to actually describing it. and i think that is what turned a lot of women off. i know that we were talking about senator kelly ayotte. i think that that was her breaking point. she d been frustrated with him, you know, the party was asking her to stick with him and she just said, enough is enough. you know, i have a daughter. i don t want anybody talking about my kid like that. but she did not do that at that point. but she had just called him a day or two before a role model, despite all the other misogyny that he s demonstrated and exhibited. i mean, i know that was the final straw, but there had been a, you know, a hay wagon full of straw up until then. yeah wing most men, when they talk among each other after a few beers or ten beers, it s more in wonder at women, jennifer. it s actually honesty, magically amazed by who they are and who they can be to them. it s just astounding. i ve never heard this kind of talk. well, if they talk like that. i think i think not to be too romantic, they think about what they love. the roundtable is staying with me and up next, these three will tell me something they love. i think we re doing that right now. this is hardball, the place for politics. listen to me i am captain of the track tea and if i m late. she doesn t really think she s going to get o of here, does she? 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then president obama had seven new cabinet level officials confirmed. trump only as of right now has two. do you think that you re going to be able to stop some of his nominees, or are you just trying to slow down the process? well, let me say this. first, this cabinet is unusually unique and a lot different than others. we call it the swamp cabinet, billionaires and bankers. the number of wealthy people, the number of people rife with conflicts of interest and the number of people who have disagreed with what trump has campaigned on is so much more than just any other cabinet we ve seen, and so that means they need thorough review. thorough review so they don t have conflicts of interest, thorough reviews so we know, for instance, is dr. price going to try to privatize or end medicare when trump campaigned against it? and and are republican colleagues, i don t blame them with this cabinet, have tried to rush it through. advise and consent does not mean very easily be confirmed who have not yet been confirm, one of them being congressman mike pompeo who has been nominated to be director of the cia. president trump visited the cia yesterday. i want you to take a listen to white house press secretary sean spicer last night. the cia didn t have a cia director to be with him today when he visited because the democrats have chosen senate democrats are stalling the nomination of mike pompeo and playing politics with national security. what s your response, sir? that s ridiculous. number one, we have never had a cia director confirmed on the first day. number two, there are very capable people watching over the cia, and, in fact, i told vice president on wednesday, i said, look, we need to have some debate on pompeo and why don t you ask brennan to stay. he was willing to. they refused. and, third, and most important, pompeo is going to have huge, huge power, and there are issues would start talking a little bit about some of the problems when president trump goes off in this direction, maybe he wouldn t do it anymore. so far, just sticking with the cabinet for a second, so far, sir, you have voted for two of president trump s nominees, voted to confirm general mattis for defense and general kelly for the department of homeland security. which other trump nominees do you plan to support? look, there are some that are not controversial. i m going to wait and hear the debate but this week you ll see a few more put into effect. but, again, advise and consent does not mean ram it through. some of these nominees came before the committees, before their conflict of interest papers were in, before it was clear that they wouldn t have conflicts of interest. many of them have controversial positions and for eight or nine of them there s going to be thorough, thorough debate. maybe even a few more. will you vote for your colleague, senator sessions, as attorney general? i ve already said i ll oppose senator sessions. he has a record on immigration, on voting rights and on civil rights that is so against what america is all about. will you vote for steven mnuchin for treasury secretary? i m studying his record. i haven t taken a position. i m going to wait for the debate on the floor. are there trump nominees that you already have made up your mind besides sessions, in addition to sessions, whom you will oppose? well, i certainly am really dubious of about eight of them because so many of them have conflicts of interest and positions that are that goes against the grain. you know, i await the hearings and i study the hearings, the floor debate, but there are eight or nine that i would have a very hard time voting for, maybe even a few more than that. can you tell us who they are? i imagine one of them would be mr. prewitt for epa head? his positions against clean air and clean water would turn america back for decades. it s it s, again, against the american grain. i haven t made final decisions on any of these people, but i find it difficult to vote for him. let s turn to health care. president trump signed an executive order on friday that he said would have the effect of easing the burden of obamacare. what s your understanding of what this executive order will mean? well, let me first say this. they are in such they are in such they have so many problems with their repeal and replace. it s interesting. if you would have told me that at this point in time democrats would be united and on offense and republicans would be divided on defense when it comes to aca or the cabinet for that matter, i would have said, you know, you re wrong, but it s true, and we ve had a very strong two weeks because they are in such a pickle. they don t know what to do. they can repeal, but they don t have any plan for replace, and the president s executive order just mirrored that. they said do good things, not bad things and do things that are that comply with the law. that s meaningless, and it s because they promised everybody they were were going to repeal and now they have seen all the good things in aca, the 20 million people covered, pre-existing conditions covered, kids 21 to 26 get their parents health insurance. women treated equally as men, and they know that to repeal these things without finding a way to do them, town do them, would be catastrophic substantively and politically so they are in a total pickle and this regulation does really nothing. let s turn to the supreme court. you recently said that you were absolutely willing to keep open the ninth seat, the scalia seat on the court. take a listen. it s hard for me to imagine a nominee that donald trump would choose that would get republican support that we could support, so you re right. so you will do your best to hold the seat open. absolutely. you would do your best to hold the seat open. if the nominee go ahead. what i said on that show was if the nominee is out of the mainstream, we will do our best to keep the seat open. let s remember that of the last four supreme court nominees, two nominated by a republican president and two by a democrat, they had bipartisan support. what you didn t show it on the air there, if the nominee is not bipartisan and mainstream we absolutely will keep the seat open. i m hopeful that maybe president trump will nominate someone that is mainstream and get get bipartisan support, but, yes, we ll fight it tooth and nail as long as we have to. for last four months president trump has had a list of 21 supreme court picks. worked the federalist society on the list, saying they are all conservative judges. are you saying that not one of the judges on that lives 21 is in the mainstream? i haven t studied the records of those 21. i m not going to comment on a potential nominee. i m going to wait to see who the president nominates. my only plea to him, hope, nominate a mainstream person. not someone way out of the mainstream. i want to ask you about your appearance at the presidential inaugural on friday. yes. because you spoke, and i don t know what you could hear. i was farther away from president trump than you were, but there was a lot of booing. let s run a little excerpt of your speech. whatever our race, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity, whether we are immigrant or native born, whether we live with disabilities or do not, in wealth or in poverty, we are all exceptional in our commonly held yet fierce devotion to our country. could you hear the boos, and were you surprised by them? well, i couldn t hear much. i was told about it afterwards, but it was amazing. that speech given with any other president, with any other audience would have been cheered. it s not controversial language to say we re all americans. it s not controversial language to reach out to others who might not be exactly like you, and so the fact that people didn t like it speaks poorly of them, not of what i said in the speech. they even when i said we should have rule of law, i was heard booed. when i talked about sullivan ballou, a great civil war patriot who gave his life to his country and said there are some things greater than ourselves, there were cat calls. wow. what kind what kind of situation is that? and, you know, i have to say something. the president-elect ought to lead. when his followers do things like that, he ought to speak positively about being inclusive and being american. the speech should have been aimed at bringing people together, as ronald reagan s speech was, as franklin roosevelt s speech was, democrat and republican, so this is a the fact that saying these things which are usually accepted by just about every american melt the displeasure of the crowd doesn t speak too kindly of that crowd. senate minority leader, chuck schumer. i should say. i should say just the people who booed. i m sure it wasn t most of them. just the people who booed, got it. senate minority leader chuck schumer, democrat of new york, always a pleasure to have you on. thank you. thank you. stay with us. the fiery response from the former cia director after donald trump s visit to the agency. why he says trump should be ashamed of himself. that story next. that i was on the icelandic game show. and everyone knows me for discounts, like safe driver and paperless billing. but nobody knows the box behind the discounts. oh, it s like my father always told me put that down. that s expensive. of course i save people an average of nearly $600, but who s gonna save me? 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do intelligence cheechs also bear some responsibility for this feud? i m joined by congressman devon nunez of california. great to have you here. good to be here. nice to have you here in person. let s start by president trump s visit to the klay, an organization you know so well. an aide to john brennan who was the cia director until friday put out an extraordinary statement says, quote, former cia director brennan is deeply saddened and angered by donald trump s despicable display of self-aggrandizement in front of cia s memorial wall of agency heroes. brennan says trump should be ashamed of himself. you re the chairman of the committee. what did you make of the speech and brennan s response to it? i found out a few days ago that donald trump was planning to go to the agency to swear in mike pompeo because there was an agreement in the senate that all the national security folks would be approved on the first day and that didn t happen, so i think it s important to remember that donald trump had scheduled that in advance in order to swear in mike pompeo. well, the schedule was already planned. i don t think he wanted to change his schedule and he went out there hand met with the cia and i think he was briefed, and, you know, the agents that were there, the cia employees, they were excited to be there, and in fact i spoke to a few last night who i thought maybe were there so i wanted to get their opinion on what they thought hand they said we didn t get a chance to go because it sold out so quickly. a lot of seats there. 400 seats. and he was received well, so i think, that you know, you re going to see at the highest level of the past administration, at that level i think donald trump had a lot of problems with and i don t blame him for having a lot of problems. there were a lot of leaks. so you you think this john brennan s response and also just how he s comported himself, you have an issue with if? look, the former director is entitled to his own opinion, but the fact remains that there were a lot of leaks that occurred over the course of the last 60 to 90 days before in election that most people can attribute back to somewhere within the obama administration directly or the intelligence community, but what people are not talking about, which i thought donald trump said some things that were really important yesterday, he showed an understanding that the cia is the tip of the spear. when the cia gets things right, fewer people will die. he called radical islamic terrorists terrorists. he said they are going to go out and kill the jihadists around the world and they will be eliminated. those were major statements that he made yesterday that nobody is covering. and what do you make just to note just for our viewers, we believe that mike pompeo will be voted on in the senate to be cia director tomorrow evening, monday evening, and it looks as though he will clear, he will be confirmed. what do you make of the criticism that is standing in front of the memorial wall talking about crowd sizes, that that was inappropriate? you know, look, donald trump is a citizen politician. he s really enjoying what he s doing. he s going to take the media on every single day. he s never been in politics, and i think you you re going to see more of this, and i ve seen him on the campaign trail. he was just having a good time. as a matter of fact, this week, this past week, inauguration week, he was showing up to events he wasn t even scheduled to be at. i was at a lunch, supposed to be a small lunch and he stayed for 45 minutes and talked and had a good time and so, you know, it was i think he was just out there to show support for the agency and, of course, like donald trump often does, he he s a very smart guy and he starts to talk about a lot of different things and has fun. just to bring this up one more time because i don t think this point of view has been adequately reflected in the public, especially by people like you who are part of the intelligence community in a sense and being chairman of the house intelligence committee. there is this feud and has been this feud between leaders of the intelligence community and the obama administration and president trump, and you think that president trump in some ways has gotten a bad rap on it, that some of these leaders have been unfair to him. we don t know where the leaks came from. i broke the story, and i can tell you john brennan had nothing to do with it. but there were hey lost leaks that came and it s not just on the last story. this goes back for 90 days, and so, look, as, you know, we always do, we ll look into the leaks and see if we find something, who knows. let s talk about some of these intelligence issues with mike pompeo because senator bernie sanders is planning to oppose him and some democrats have raised concerns. in an op-ed pomp yore wrote, that he co-authored, congress should pass a law re-establishing collection of meta data and combing it with publicly available financial and lifestyle information into a comprehensive searchable database. that might sound alarming to some people. i don t know when that statement was made. as you know, we passed legislation to fix the meta data and it was bipartisan and mike pompeo was in that and voted for it and voted overwhelmingly in the house hand senate so i don t think we ll go back and revisit the meta data issue. i think it s working well. what about this lifestyle information thing? is this something that gets looked at? if you look at lifestyle of terrorists, foreign or abroad, absolutely, but on the american people, no. i want to also ask about the fact that obamacare, you heard chuck schumer saying in the previous interview that he thinks the democrats have had a good couple of weeks with obamacare because republicans, in his view, are in a pickle in his words, because republicans don t know what to replace obamacare with because so many aspects of obamacare are popular. this is an issue that s important to you. what will replace obamacare? yeah. i look at it in three buckets. health care is very difficult in this country to get right, so there s going to be what the administration can do with obamacare first. that s going to kind of one budget you re going to have the bucket on what we can do with the reconciliation process which requires 50 votes plus one in the senate, and then you will have longer term issues that have to be dealt with that need 60 votes in the senate, so a lot of what we re dealing with here is the way the senate is structured, and that s why you re you re there are a lot of good plans out there. i think the big difference between what the republicans want to do and the democrats is the democrats want your health care to be run right here in washington. we want the individual to have health care, and we want every american to have access to health care and we want that health care to be delivered locally, not by big government here in washington, d.c. because then you end up with constituents like you see out in california where we have no specialists who will see our medi-cal patients or our obamacare patients and the that s not good. let me ask you a question about this outstanding issue that there s still these fbi investigation into whether associates of president trump had contacts with the kremlin. there s a new york times story talking about paul manafort, the former campaign chairman, roger stone, carter page, a long-time advis adviser. what can you tell us about this investigation and the intercepted communications? they would have to notify me, they should if that was the case at some point. we have not heard that, and i would say that, you know, we take our job of oversight very seriously on the intelligence committee. we will work in a bipartisan manner, and we ve requested a lot of the we ve requested all of the intelligence that went into the report that was that was issued here a couple weeks ago. we have yet to get that information. they made it available to us on thursday where we had to go out to the cia in order to look at it. that s not what we asked for. we want the information at the committee so that we can come through it so we can get to the bottom of this intelligence report, whether it was put together properly or not. so who is holding it up, the cia, the director of national intelligence? it was the obama administration who hadn t given it to us, and only made it available to us if we went out to the agency. that s not what we requested. we had it delivered to the congress to come through the data to really understand what went into this report and clearly we will we will look at anything and everything and we ll follow the facts where they lead. congressman, it s always a pleasure to have you on the show. congratulations, you were just sworn in, a slightly smaller ceremony with your family to be a member of congress. always good to have you on the show. appreciate you having it first. coming up, the new white house press secretary takes the podium to talk about an issue on the mind of every struggling americans. how big were the crowds on friday. with my moderate to severe ulcerative colitis, the possibility of a flare was almost always on my mind. thinking about what to avoid, where to go. and how to deal with my uc. to me, that was normal. until i talked to my doctor. she told me that humira helps people like me get uc under control and keep it under control when certain medications haven t worked well enough. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened; as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. before treatment, get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you ve been to areas where certain fungal infections are common, and if you ve had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don t start humira if you have an infection. raise your expectations. ask your gastroenterologist about humira. with humira, control is possible. 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i have to tell you. i was sitting i was sitting at the podium there, and i could see a ton of people, lots of people. yeah. it was a great day. let s just move on. i mean, it was just there were a lot of people that showed up, and i was happy to see it. there were lots of people that showed up, david, what s going hon here. why would sean spicer in the first press conference be talking about crowd size? the question is who cares. the answer is one person cares and that happens to be the president of the united states and he works for the president of the united states. the real question is who can tell the president do not do this? this is not worth our time who tells him, when you go to the cia when you re speaking in front of the wall of armor. speaking to the armed services ball, don t get into politics and thank and honor the young people who are serving our country. someone needs to be able to do that or he s going to be diverted from the points that he wants to make. seems to me, congressman blackburn, that president trump, whatever the size of the crowd, however big the ratings for the inaugural, he s the president and a lot of people are rooting for him. going down these bunny holes doesn t serve his own interest. he has an opportunity to bring people to him at this point in time and let s do the tote board on the number of regulations we can get on the books, the number of executive orders we can rescind the number of the amount that we can reduce taxes. number of jobs you can bring back to this country. jobs that we can create, and i m going to leave counting numbers on that. next four years from now, i want us to expand broadband enough in this country that we have more people than ever streaming the inaugural. when this happens, you first of all, we all as americans want him to succeed. sure. absolutely. but do you as a supporter of his and ever put your hands in his head say no, don t do that. don t say things that aren t true. you re standing in front of the wall of heros at the cia, don t talk about your crowds. don t berate a pool reporter who messed up. i m cheering for the president and vice president to pull people to them and continue this movement of getting washington, d.c. reformed and pushing power and money out of this city and pack to the states and local governments. head never in hand? i am cheering. i am cheering. i am so for president trump and he is good on building relationships. he is going to build great relationships with capitol hill and he has built a great relationship with the american people and we are going to expand that. well, that s the question. the relationship he s building with the american people because as congressman blackburn points out there is an opportunity here and you were at the women s march yesterday, nina turner. i don t know that he has taken advantage of that opportunity to unite people. well, not yet, one would hope. i mean, good god, the numbers don t matter because he took the oath of office. he s the president. so he has to get over and yesterday i talked to women and men from all walks of life and a lot of them were not necessarily there to protest the president himself as much as some of the policies and the things that they are concerned about. but he has to do more bridge-building and less talk about building a wall. there are walls in this country and it s not between him and folks that are trying to get into this country. it s really between him and some of the people who live in this country. let s talk about his inaugural address. he presented a very starkly populist vision of how he sees the country and what he wants to happen. let s take a look. from this day forward a new vision will govern our land. from this day forward it s going to be only america first. so he really took aim, congressman blackburn, at globalization and elites in both parties, democrats and republicans. not particularly a republican speech, not particularly a conservative speech. critics would say, you know, the ship has sailed on globalization. this is the world we re in. how do you do america first in the 21st century? i think you do it by thinking in terms of the short term and the long term, as you look at policies. how is this going to affect us now and how will it affect us ten years, 20 years, 30 years down the road and that is the view that donald trump will bring to this administration. let s just not doing something thinking of the next election. let s think long term and what kind of legacy is this going to leave? what kind of path is it going to create? goodness, in trade. we need to think about this as we look at manufacturing, bringing jobs back. we have to be thinking about the effects of these policies and what it s going to yield. tax policy and the changes that are going to be there, how is it going to affect families now and then affect their ability to built a nest egg for retirement. david, president obama came to office with a lot of ties to labor unions. he ended up being one of these members of the global elite pushing forward trade deals, although one could argue that were many more in the deal for nafta, for example. is it going to be tough for trump to fight this tide of globalization? look, i don t think i don t think that as you said, i think that ship has sort of sailed. the question is, is that really the battle of today and tomorrow that the congressman talks about the future. you know, there s a greater threat to middle class jobs and wages from robots and computers than there is from china and mexico today. what is the plan for dealing with that? where are the people who are going to have example when driverless cars come online? millions and millions of people. where are they going in the economy and where are they going to find productive work and where does that impact on wages and on family security? these are fundamental questions that people want the president to deal with. in fact, think the new labor secretary nominee is a big proponent of automation in the restaurants that he owns. everyone stay right here. coming up, women across the world taking across the streets yesterday to protest donald trump and his agenda including a star-studded march in his own backyard. how is president trump responding? 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celebs hurt cause badly and a few minutes ago, another tweet. peaceful protests are a hallmark even though i don t always agree i recognize the rights of people to express their views. it is a legitimate question, i have to say. why didn t these people vote? i m sure a lot of them did, but i bet a bunch didn t. good god, jake. we don t know that all of those folks didn t. i didn t say that. i mean, the president doesn t need to get into these little spats with folks. they are exercising their first amendment right which is a beautiful thing, and the president should look at it this way. he knows how to move a bring a crowd out. he brought crowds of folks out all over the world, baby. he did that. should have added those numbers to his crowd size. president trump did that. he brought out the crowds. you i assume we re not participating. i was not participating. i took a run with my husband and, you know, it was very difficult to get through, so we but you are somebody who has had concerns about president trump during the campaign. i know you re rooting for him now as every american is. yes. but what did you make of the marches? well, i can tell you one part of that tweet is true. a lot of the celebrities did not help. madonna dropping the f-bomb over and over again. i would not have brought my child to that event. i think that scarlet johansson, for instance, a window where she said i didn t vote for you, but i want to support you, and i think that that s where we need to start coming together at this. what can we do in the next step is what can we do to help support women? and i m not just talking about, you know, i m talking about allowing women to become entrepreneurs, allowing my daughter wants to be a rocket scientist. what can we do to make sure that we empower our young women to become whoever they want to become, to have as many opportunities as possible to contribute to their communities, to their state and to their country. david, there is an opportunity here for president trump. there s already a lot of talk about ivanka s child care tax credit bill, legislation that she s putting together. there s an opportunity to reach out to a lot of women and do a lot of good for a lot of women. look, i think democrats and progressives will have to make had a choice. if the president actually advances a plan for paid parental leave and advances a plan for health care for everybody, if he truly wants to fight the pharmaceutical industry over these very high prices that medicare pays, then i think democrats are going to have to confront whether they want to fight or whether they want to make some progress. if he does those things. but, jake, he also has an opportunity through the way he conducts himself to send a signal that he wants to be president of all the people, and the two tweets are illustrative of a problem. the first tweet was divisive. there is a sort of dr. jekyll and mr. twitter quality to this guy, and the question is how do you the second tweet was the one he should have sent yesterday, full stop, end of story. do you disagree? and why he didn t. i just think the reason why he s there is because people like that just boldness that he has, you know. people say, okay. well, that s real. it s not scripted. i didn t have to think about it. that is true. and there are people that like that. congressman, that is absolutely true, but let s remember he, first of all, 46% of americans voted for him, 54% didn t. he goes in with the lowest approval ratings of any incoming president and now his job is to build on that and signal to the whole country that he wants to govern for all of america. i get it, but i want you to know that we as americans always look to washington for all the answers, right? i think that s time for us to become the leaders also and conduct ourselves in a way that is reflective of what we want a leader to do. i think that s important for us to make sure that we re the ones that are sending positive messages out there. when i look at who is going to be the role models for my children i m not looking to the president. i m looking to myself. we re speaking to the sense of the decorum of the office of the president and the vice president and those of us in elective office, and there is a responsibility that is there. and my hope is that president trump is going to continue to brings people in, just as he said in his his inaugural address, join together. patriotism. when you re patriotic. there isn t room for prejudice. staved, you re right, on the issues, jobs, health care, fighting back on access, creating access, whether it s health care or opportunity, this is something that should unite us. i do hope that there were lessons from the women s march that yes, pushing forward for incentives on child care and doing something on these issues important. thank you so much. after the break president trump ditches his private plane for air force one. how do the perks compare? 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throughout the 2016 campaign season, donald trump traveled in style, more than most of us and his fellow canned dalgts could imagine. he has a customized boeing 757 with extravagant features. mr. trump s bedroom has yards and yards of elegant gold silk adorning the wall. a custom headboard as well as comforter were created to complement. he has a custom design pillows embroidered with the family crest. reporter: he could take one of his personal helicopters. he gave joyrides to a couple lucky kids and members of the media at the iowa state fair. mr. trump? yes. are you batman? i am batman. reporter: he will have to say good-bye to his personal fleet. don t feel too bad. he s getting an upgrade. air force one. the president and mrs. trump will now ride only on official aircraft, leaving behind his prized possession that had become a symbol of his campaign, from providing the background to some of his rallies to disrupting his rivals. that was pretty well orchestrated. reporter: it will be above the iconic plane that he once blasted as being too expensive on future. boeing is building a new plane, but costs are out of control, more than $4 billion. cancel order. the order has not been cancelled yet. we expect president trump to enjoy the high-tech amenities for the foreseeable future. he s learn that air force one is more than a cushy ride. it s a flying white house. the goal when the president gets on board is to do the same things he does on ground in the white house, to do 45,000 feet in the air. other countries have not come close to what the use has. reporter: while it might not have a private movie theater like trump force one, it does have defensive capabilities like no other plane in the world, including special shielding that protects it from a nuclear blast. it s equipped to evade missiles. even without the opulent gold features, he will still find himself traveling in trump style. thanks for watching. have a great day. where to go. and how to deal with my uc. to me, that was normal. until i talked to my doctor. she told me that humira helps people like me get uc under control and keep it under control when certain medications haven t worked well enough. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened; as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. before treatment, get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you ve been to areas where certain fungal infections are common, and if you ve had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don t start humira if you have an infection. raise your expectations. ask your gastroenterologist about humira. with humira, control is possible. yeahashtag stuffy nose. old. hashtag no sleep. i got it. hashtag mouthbreather. yep. we ve got a mouthbreather. well, just put on a breathe right strip and . pow! it instantly opens your nose up to 38% more than cold medicine alone. so you can breathe . and sleep. shut your mouth and say goodnight mouthbreathers. breathe right. that cough doesn t sound so good. well i think you sound great. move over. easy booger man. take mucinex dm. it ll take care of your cough. fine! i ll text you in 4 hours when your cough returns. one pill lasts 12 hours, so. looks like i m good all night! ah! david, please, listen. still not coughing. not fair you guys! waffles are my favorite! ah! some cough medicines only last 4 hours. but just one mucinex lasts 12 hours. start the relief. ditch the misery. let s end this.
often out of pure petulanc yeah. but he also lashes out at people to send a message to other people, do not cross me. that is a thing that can work if you re six months out and trying to get people in line. but 30 days out? and if you re on the rise? not if you re flailing. 30 days out, all he s doing is making more enemies, all he s doing is sending the message of disarray. i totally agree, and not getting back the republicans you were talking about. and another thing people are still talking about, on this very topic, is house speaker paul ryan s telling house republicans yesterday that they should feel free to flee from donald trump, if that is what s necessary to save their skins and thereby help their party retain its majority in the lower chamber. we are told that ryan, despite what he said yesterday, still hasn t ruled out rescinding his endorsement of trump at some point in the future, but ryan so far has shied away from public spats with his party s nominee. donald trump has not. today, during that social media rampage, trump targeted ryan by tweeting, quote, despite winning out to vote for house republicans. i agree with you about that. but it s not just that he wants to save the majority. i think that if ryan looks down the road, that could yield the outcomes he wants, a clinton presidency with a republican house, and either chamber, whatever a mixed bag. mixed bag. trump has rejected all of the things that he would want him to embrace on policy. not all of them. not conservative judges. most okay, all but that. fair enough. there are other things, too. on the flip side of trump s tribulations, i give you hillary clinton. she is whistling a happy tune these days. her poll numbers are up. yesterday in columbus, ohio, she drew what is said to be her largest crowd of the entire campaign. take a look at this new york times photo. it looks almost like a trump rally or bernie sanders. this is from last night on the campus of the ohio state in columbus. secret service says there were more than 18k in attendance. clinton s outdoor event yesterday was well-timed. it was a show of strength when the campaign needed one, because her campaign usually holds events during the day, when there are fewer people there, because they re at work. so this was a big rally to keep her momentum going. they had another big rally today in miami, where clinton appeared alongside vice president al gore. more on that later. meanwhile, however, for the second day in a row, wikileaks dropped additional half e-mails allegedly from the inbox of clinton s campaign chair, john podesta. lots of new revelations here, including an e-mail from march that suggests that donna brazil, who was then a paid commentator for cnn, is the interim chair of the democratic national convention, ticked off clinton s campaign about a question that was coming at a cnn town hall. in other circumstances, leaks likes this would be making much bigger waves in the political world. again, there s more in there that s being digged over now. but most of these things are being drowned out, including on this program, to some extent, by all the dysfunction that trump is creating within the republican party. so john, as we continue to look at some of these wikileaks questions, including the one involving the chair of the dnc, donna brazil, and other people of clinton s orbit, what would it take for clinton to lose a news cycle? i m going to go super simple here. i don t know what it would take, but it would take a controversy that s not inside baseball. everything that s coming out of these weeikileaks things so fars inside baseball. the reason trump has been a potent force in the last six months is because he talks about issues in a big, bold way that s not always about this inside stuff. all this clinton stuff is stuff we might be interested in, that politico might be interested in. it s not stuff, when trump hammers on it, it seems so small, compared to the controversies in his campaign. the problem republicans have with this stuff, first of all, there s a lot of stuff, but all of it is kind of medium grade. and all of it speaks to you know, inside stuff. like the clintons, you know, the clinton team strategized. peep complained about other members of the team. now, there s some questions about the state department and the functions there. there s some questions about whether there s improper conduct with the justice department. there s some serious questions to be looked at. but, again, it s, as you suggested, it s so much smaller in the way this campaign is covered. the freak show media circus that donald trump fighting with the speaker of the house, himself, not hillary clinton, because it all involves her staff for the most part, it s going to be it s hard for trump to win a news cycle right now, as unfair as republicans see this as being, it s going to be hard for her, unless the polls come out and it turns out that all of this speculation about trump being damaged, if he starts to be even in polling, she could win a news cycle and he could lose one. i ll say again, you read the new york times account of what these e-mails have revealed, it s fascinating. i m really interested, i love that stuff. but arguments about how to leak her keystone position. donna brazil dropping a question or something. we could obsess all day. but compared to intimations of sexual assault the speaker of the house and john mccain fighting and the republican anarchy, the whole party melting down, it s just nothing. all right, when we come back, the sights and sound of hillary clinton s day with al gore after these words from our sponsors. something new has arrived. uniquely designed for the driven. iinfiniti. empower the drive. infiniti qx30 crossover. the search for relief often leads here.s, introducing drug-free aleve direct therapy. a highntensity tendevice that uses technology once only in doctors offices. for deep penetrating relief at the source new aleve direct therapy. is to be here with one of the world s foremost leaders on climate change, al gore! those 30 years of leadership led al gore to be awarded the nobel peace prize in 2007. i was very proud. there isn t anybody who knows more, has done more, has worked harder. i can t wait to have al gore advising me when i am president of the united states. hillary clinton will make solving the climate crisis a top national priority. your vote really, really, really counts. you can consider me as an hibit a of that proof. with hillary clinton, we ll build on the progress made under president obama, with the paris agreement. she has proposed a terrific plan. i went through that with a fine-tooth comb, and i will tell you that her plan on solar panels and expanding renewable energy, it is right at the limit of what we can do and that is exactly the kind of ambitious goal that we need from the next president of the united states of america. so, mark, i would say, with all due immodesty, that the two of us kind of have phds almost in gorology. we ve been studying that guy and hillary clinton for a long time. so give me your cosmic thoughts about what went down today? well, they were rivals in the white house from the beginning of the collin/gore administration and over the years, they have not been close. the gore family felt that bill clinton s conduct in the white house really hurt his chances of winning more soundly and they were disgusted by it. and today was a sign of all hands on deck for the democrats and the desire of hillary clinton to use al gore to not necessarily appeal directly to millennials, but kind of a bank shot to appeal to two groups, millennials who care about climate change, and get immediate change on that. stunning to see them together, but no doubt that al gore continues to have a jaundiced view of the clintons. and let s unpack it a little bit more. they were rivals because of the fact that gore believed he was vice president and hillary clinton believed she was vice president. he believed as vice president, he should be the second most powerful person in the country. so they both fought for bill clinton s ear throughout the time. as you said, the gores had a very jaundiced view about hillary clinton about bill clinton, because of his behavior. hillary clinton also had a jaundiced view about al gore, in a lot of ways, thought he was politically maladroit and not ostensibly liberal. so they have never liked each other. gore was miserable in the white house, and a lot of his misery has to do with her. but he really cares about this issue of climate change. his reputation has taken a beating after he sold current tv to the qatarries, a lot of people on the left thought it was hypocritical to sell it to an oil-producing nation. and he s so bitter over what happened in 2000 and his feeling that the election was basically stolen from him. and he like all democrats regard trump as a menace. so he wants to be out there. he does not want to see this thing happen again. his message today was that, and i think he really feeling it in a very heartfelt way. you have to understand part of the psychology of al gore is, he won the popular vote. more people went to the polls in florida, he should have been president by his judgment. and so, he has dabbled in presidential politics since then, but he has largely stayed out of it. and to see him come back today, i think this event might not be a total one-off, but you can imagine a world he would be out there a lot more for her. and the fact that he s done one is testament to the all hands on deck. and i ll say the other thing we both know about al gore is he hates politics. he s the guy more than almost anybody i ve ever met desperately wanted to be president, but never wanted to do anything it would take to get there. to get him out on stage gives you a sense of what he thinks the stakes are in this election. even once, because he hates doing this. when we come back, a clinton adviser and trump adviser walk into the core club here in gotham city. we ll show you what happens next, right after this. a bit earlier today, john and i hosted an event at new york city s core club with two important political fund-raisers for the leading presidential hopefuls. we were joined by anthony scaramucci, who is the founder of an investment firm and a trump adviser. and mark lasry, a hedge fund manager and adviser to hillary clinto here is what scaramucci had to say about what he thinks of donald trump s chances of winning the presidential election. i would say that right now, and i think mark would probably agree with me, there s a one in five shot or one in ten, somewhere between one in ten and one in five. because what you know about politics is that anything can happen. you look at the polls, i would say 20% so what i m hoping he has a higher chance than that. the much later took to twitter saying that his political forecasts was based on polling and prediction markets, but that trump, quote, always exceeded those expectations. so what do you think of one of donald trump s supporters suggesting that his chances are not more of a lock. i thought scaramucci was being honest there and he was fairly to be totally fair to him, he defended donald trump throughout the thing, made a lot of arguments in favor of why he was still with donald trump, made an extended argument for why he was still with him, even after what came out in these tapes, but he can read the polls. these guys work with numbers all day long. they re looking at numbers. and he is looking at the prediction markets and he s looking at the polls we ve all seen, and making a pretty accurate assessment of anybody who s actually in touch with reality would think the race is right now. part of the problem for donald trump right now goes back to something we discussed before. every trump surrogate is going to be asked about the controversies surrounding the trump campaign, but everyone is hearing about they involve donald trump himself. but democratic members of congress, they re not being asked about every clinton scandal, in part because reporters can t keep up with the minutia of every one of them. and in part, because not everyone s going to have an opinion about it or should be called on to have an opinion about it. as i said before, they re not as relatable. you can ask scaramucci, what does his wife think about trump? what does he say to his daughters? but if you ask a clinton surrogate, what does your husband think about donna brazile it s just not the same. it s hard. it s not fair to the republicans in some ways, but i so ee the dynamic and why it exists. that s not all what anthony scaramucci had to say about this election. here s what he told us when we asked him what donald trump should do between now and november if he wants to win the election. what i would be focused on right now is i would get a balance sheet out and i would get those 90-second clips that he did, the one he did on friday night or the apology and i would say, okay, here s where i stand on these issues. this is why it s beneficial to working class families and the middle class. this is where the secretary stands on these issues. this is why these issues will be debilitating to the middle class. and i would stream it and go right over the top of the mainstream media, right to the american people. more so than he can with the 20,000 or 30,000-person crowd. and i would lay out each thing. whether it s immigration or trade, any of these things. i would also get his surrogates to be better coordinated than they currently are, so when that message is coming o out from him, they can go out with a message that s similar to the message that he s beaming in on the 90 seconds. of course, scaramucci there making an argument for trump being basically policy focused at the very moment that trump was releasing the ad, attacking hillary clinton on her health. so an interesting prescription, but fantasy land. again, yesterday watching mike pence giving policy speeches, they have an argument that revs up the base and the broader base than the tact trump is taking now, but he s not going to pursue a campaign based on policy and the new ad today makes that very clear. during the event, mark lasry also talked about his idea that centrism has shifted to the left. i think what you see now, especially with what happened with bernie, what was center, isn t where it was four years ago or eight years ago. you are going to nee more government intervention. i know the feeling is for it to be in the center, it s less government invention, but with the issues you have out there, you ll need more government invention. i asked him as i do a lot of clinton surrogates, what position she s taken in the center and he didn t really have an answer. right. and i don t know if the center has shifted, because clearly the right has moved farther to the left and the left has moved farther to the left. but what mark lasry is talking about as far as economic things, there s no doubt that the democratic senator has moved to have the left and cultural politics across the country have moved to the left. economics, you never hear her talk about reforming entitlements, reinventing government, eliminating waste. those are 90s arguments. those are 90s new democrat arguments and the party s not it s not like that anymore in the democratic party. it s moved to the left. fascinating to hear those two guys who are friendly with each other agree about a fair amount especially both of them thinking about that a speaker ryan could get a lot of work done. very smart guys. coming up, we talk to a trio of political titans about the state of the presidential race. won t want to miss that. stay tuned. we ll be back with more with all due respect right after this. it s the little things in life that make mememile. spending t day with my niece. i don t use super poligrip for 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and fight as if you can win. and it s important for the ticket, for trump/pence, to approach the rest of the campaign exactly that way. you go out and make your points. there s a tremendous amount of vulnerabilities for hillary clinton, one of them being, which has gotten kind of buried in all of this, is that a good bit of the industrial base of this country has been devastated, and that people that have been voting democrat for years feel that their party has abandoned them. those are new people for the republican party. if it s got enough of a brain to accept them. and i think they need to keep making the case for those people, and for clinton corruption, and what that would mean for four more years in washington, d.c.. all right, gary bauer, pro-trump republican says the race is not yet over. bob shrum, i know what you re going to say, but i m going to ask you, anyway. is the race over, bob? should we stick a fork in it? i thought it was over on labor day, said it on your show, thought trump was in a democratic cul-de-sac they couldn t get out of. made it worse since then. and if you look at a state like pennsylvania, the latest polls show him losing that state by 12%. in fact, if you go state by state in the battlegrounds, she s ahead in virtually every one of them. i don t see what he s going to do to recover. i think what he did in the debate was get himself a few more republicans who really dislike the clintons, but he s stuck at about 39 or 40%. he can t win the election with that 39 or 40%. it s true, you did say the race was over labor day. you told me that. you re being consistent. now we move to the tiebreaker here, dave cotchel, republican, but not a big fan of donald trump s. give us the clear, unbiased view, dave. is the race over? yeah, i ll be the tiebreaker. the race is over. time of death was about 10:00 the night of the first debate. it s been downhill ever since. and you know, you can t bring one or two peep into the front door of the party while you re pushing 20 or 30 out the back. so it s over and it s been long over and we re just on the slide now to see what happens in the last 30 days. i want to ask all of you a question go ahead, gary. i m sorry. go on. i ll start with gary, but i want you all the to address this. you ve all supported candidates who have done bad things in their personal lives, every one of you has. gary, you re supporting a candidate now who on friday was revealed to have done things that horrifies a lot of people, disgusts a lot of people. what would donald trump have to do for you to withdraw your support, if it wasn t that tape? look, i i don t even think in those terms, in all due respect. everybody i know this might be news to some folks, but everybody that has ever run for any office in america and every voter that has voted for them, three lo theologically, according to my beliefs as christians, are centers. they ve all said things, done things, violated various but gary let me just finish the thought. okay, go ahead. it s policy that matters. and the fact of the matter is that donald trump has the right positions on growing the economy, shrinking government, lower taxes, pro-life, defending religious liberty, and hillary clinton is engaged in a cover-up of her corruption and an polyester f apologist for her husband. so gary, why don t you forgive that? if you re personally and theologically it s not me to forgive. i don t oppose them because of their activities. i oppose them because they re wrong philosophically. but you ve her mishandling many reporters of donald trump have been critical of president clinton, for instance, for his personal failings. why are you less forgiving personally and theologically for that? i don t speak for every evangelical or every value voters. i understand. i m trying to understand. the issues ought to be the differences on policy between the candidates. it s night and day have you ever by the way, al gore was down in florida campaigning for hillary clinton today. i seem to remember that al gore was publicly accused of being a sexual assaulter by multiple massagers in multiple cities in and she campaigns with him in florida today. would you forgive him for that and say he s a sinner and forgive him? i m pointing out the hypocrisy of the left acting like a ten-year-old tape is somehow horrifying when the left in this country has been associated with radical social policies. bob, let me ask you to critique gary s answers. well, i think it s absurd. i think it s entirely unfair to bring up that charge against al gore, which was never substantiated. the what donald trump did, what he said, has come out of his own mouth. what he said. what he said. gary, i didn t interrupt you, so why don t you not interrupt me, okay well, this guy gary, don t interrupt! you can t win the argument by interrupting. what donald trump said 10 or 11 years ago when he was, by the way, a 59-year-old man, not some college kid, was outrageous. but he s said things like it over and over and over again pch he s said them in this game to megyn kelly. he said them in the first debate he just does it over and over and over again. i mean, i could go through all the quotes. piggy, i mean, we ve seen them all. this is who he is. and i think it makes it very anything but the issues, right, bob? to take somebody that unstable. it s not just about his private sexual conduct or his private sexual comments or his attitudes towards women, it s somebody who is so unstable, so anxious to be vengeful, so ready to strike out, that makes him unacceptable as president of the united states. dave kochel, how do you think speaker ryan mishandling classified information, appeasing iran stop it. stop it. how would you evaluate how speaker ryan has handled the last 48 hours? well, he s in a difficult situation. i mean, it s lose/lose. what are you going to do at this point? the strategy they needed was a few months ago that mike coffman in colorado used, which is, look, don t give hillary clinton a blank check. they ve known for a long time the direction this campaign was headed. and gary bauer can twist hills into whatever kind of pretzel he wants to. the truth is, we re going to have to come up with a whole new definition of hypocrisy to, you know, to talk about how, you know, the religious right is supporting a guy like donald trump, even after what s come out. and by the way, we haven t seen the last of it. there s plenty more. i would say run for your lives. what i can t i understand what donald trump is doing right now. i understand, you know, the situation the campaign is in. what i can t understand is anybody defending him. he s going to napalm the whole village and, you know, to try to win a battle that is lost already. the problem is, you know, nobody survives in the village when it s all over. we ve got to get as far away from this thing as we possibly can, as republicans, and define what the party is on november 9th. that will probably be the most important day of this election. that would be great to define what the matter is. two-thirds of republican voters felt betrayed by the republican party. get together, i ll support mr. trump. but the truth is, we can t win an election this way. we ve never seen a candidate implode like this 28 days out from election. gary, i ll ask you a couple of questions, but while i do it, i ll ask you to please do not talk over the other guests on the show. it s not helpful to our viewers. i guess i watched too much of the kaine debate. i understand. a minute ago, you were asking about how this should all be about policy and then launched anned a homon ed ad hominem att gore. so do you want to talk about policy, or a former presidential candidate who s done one campaign event in this presidential campaign so far? i m trying to figure out whether the left is serious about sexual assault i don t want to hear about the left, gary. you said you wanted to talk about policy and literally the next words out of your mouth were, al gore, masseuses. policy do you want me to answer your question or filibuster your own show? well, it is my show, so i m trying to figure out whether these issues of personal conduct actually matter or not to the left? that s the only thing they re raising about donald trump. they re afraid to fight on the issues of open borders, trade deals that gut our economy, appeasement of iran. go down the list. if the campaign was about those issues, hillary clinton wouldn t see the light of day. so gary, let me so all the left has with their with their republican friends, is to try to smear the republican candidate. and by the way, i can t ever imagine harry reid or nancy pelosi bailing out on a democrat presidential candidate. in fact, they didn t say a word when hillary clinton spent the last three years obstructing justice and destroying evidence that was central to an investigation of her mishandling of classified information. bob, there s a lot to work with there. i m going to i m going to let you pick and choose what you would like to respond to there. gary, if you can just let bob speak, please. one, these are completely baseless attacks on hillary clinton. she said using a private e-mail server was a mistake. she s not going to make excuses for it. there s no evidence that anybody got hold of any confidential information because of that. the fbi director, who s a republican, said there s no basis to move forward here. that s number one. number two, the recipe that gary is offering for the republican party to go forward is a recipe that would doom that party for a long time. if you look at the polling data, it is absolutely clear that americans are far closer, by a good majority, to hillary clinton s positions on immigration reform than they are to donald trump s. if the republican party is going to go out there and say, we want to take away a woman s right to choose, we want to restrict the rights of women, we don t respect women, we don t believe in equal pay, or we re going to take away lbgt rights and religious freedom is their kind of euphemism for that, that republican party will lose with the rising american electorate, not on thi year but for years and years to come. okay finally, i just have to say, al gore is one of the most honorable people i ve ever met. those allegations are entirely unsubstantiated. and gary is just throwing mud to try to make a case for somebody for whom you cannot make a case. it was donald trump who smeared himself. no one else smeared him. let s finish with some metrics here. i wanted to start with dave, then bob, then gary. tell me, who s going to win and what percentage of the overall popular vote they re going to get. dave? hillary clinton s going to win, overall percentage of the popular vote is going to be around 47, 48. and electorally, it will be, you know, over 100 electoral votes. although, i will say that there s a possibility that donald trump could win a state or two that governor romney did not win. there will be that many states or many that he will lose that governor romney did win. bob, i know you think hillary is going to win. what percentage of the popular vote is she going to get? i think dave s about right. i think it s 46, 47, 48% of the vote. and i think she s headed right now for around 340, 345 electoral votes. gary, tougher for you, because your guy is currently behind. what number does he need to get, will he get to win? yeah, you know, i m not even going to go down that road. i m not a political prosticater, but i do believe, god forbid if hillary clinton wins, it will be a failed presidency, because it will be the same policies of the last eight years that have devastated our economy and weakened us abroad. um, gary bauer, bob shrum, dave kochel. heretofore known forever more as the three amigos. with that, you guys were great. we ll have you back here on the show. it would be great to have you in the same room, 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now two political reporters who have been covering this campaign oh, so closely. ann guerin from the washington post, caitlin hughey burns from real clear politics. thank you both for being hear. and tell me you re currently wondering about regarding this campaign. what are you wondering about? i m wondering how hillary clinton is going to fill 27 days of active mostly active campaigning and do so without, you know, either opening up a controversy, making a mistake, but keeping the momentum going. she tried today, to do a little bit of that, by introducing a new policy proposal. she actually hasn t introduced any new policy proposals. and trotting out al gore. there you go. it was a twofer. so al gore and climate change in florida and also a middle class tax credit. that was the sort of thing she was doing months ago, to do at this late in the campaign when it really doesn t actually draw any discernible new demographic or voter group to her, suggests to me thathere looking for some ways that they can start to make the argument, look, i m actually going to be president and here how i would govern. here s a few things i would do right off the bat. caitlin, they ve been very cautious in brooklyn saying, we re just trying to get 270. we re not trying to win in a landslide. is it possible they re rethinking that now? i think they have to. looking at the polling heading into the weekend, before all of this news broke, donald trump was behind nationally and in key battleground states. now we re seeing the polling widen, actually. the nbc/ wall street journal poll had 11 points before the debate. now it s nine. the trump campaign is saying that s an improvement, of sorts. that they think the debate for them was a will have a rallying effect among their debates among some republicans and we ve seen that play into the calculations that paul ryan is thinking about. but this is in our real clear politics average polling, clinton is leading in every state except iowa. leading in places like, you know, obviously, virginia and colorado, but also pennsylvania by wide margins. florida now. this is a really tough race. so you have been writing about what s going on capitol hill right now with paul ryan and this whole kind of anarchy in the republican party. mark and i are old enough to remember covering the 1996 race, where there s one precedent when something like this happened? what s different and similar between the 96/dole precedent and the ryan precedent? the only thing that s similar is if you re thinking about shifting resources and focusing on congressional races, what s different, though, dramatically and significantly, is you had bob dole going along with that plan in 1996. donald trump has no part in this plan. he is not, as we know, a cheerleader for his own party, as we saw today. bob dole was very much a person of the party. that s a huge, significant different. and that s why you re seeing the backlash that paul ryan is receiving from trump supporters that i ve talked to on the campaign trail, but also through people e-mailing and saying, we re leaving the republican party, because of this. but then on the flip side of that, you have donald trump lashing out at people who he says are disloyal to him. so hillary clinton will be in pueblo, colorado, tomorrow, which is republican colorado, not democratic colorado, and there s been a long-running debate about trying to cleave them off of trump and trying to rev up the base. that s an argument going on for six months. where are they in trying to find that balance? i think they re still trying to find the balance. it s interesting the place she s going tomorrow is in the republican part of the state, but it is a classic swing county, voted for bush twice and obama twice. that is exactly where they have been focused for the last six weeks or so, on counties like that, certainly pennsylvania, some places in ohio, it seems that she s actually made some headway there. she s now in your average, you know, less than a point ahead in ohio, after being 3 to 5 points behind. and in colorado, where she s actually been doing pretty well, i see this as a sign of confidence and hope that at least, within states even where she s already doing pretty well, that they can even do a little better. our colleague, mark liebowitz of the new york times magazine story, in an interview with hillary clinton, she seems i wouldn t say giddy, but pretty confident and loose. you ve watched her as closely as anyone. is she faking it or does she seem confident and loose? she s definitely confident and a little looser after the debate the other night. she came to the back of the plane and us with pretty jocular and loose and relaxed. and she did not, you know, she didn t get universally great notices from that performance, but i think is she s feeling that even if she didn t knock it out of the park, at the debate, that they re riding pretty high. all right. anne gearan, thank you. caitlin 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trump is already scrambling the map this year. in utah where the mormon electorate is especially unfavorable to trump his lead is down to 5.5. prompting the campaign to dispatch mike pence to salt lake city less than two weeks before the election to do damage control. he s there tomorrow. mitt romney himself a mormon won utah by 48% in 2012. given trump s polling deficit his lack of ads it came as a surprise that according to the washington post trump has stopped holding high-dollar fund-raisers and relying on online donations which tend to be much smaller. that s after campaign financial reports show more money spent than raised in the month of september. reports add to growing speculation that donald trump is not in very deep psychological sense running to be president of the united states so much as he s running to build up a fan base for donald trump. with the advent of trump tower and then i could advertise a project that i m doing. like doral or something. and spend half a million dollars on it or a million dollars. or i can do the show and spend nothing and be on for a lot longer. on the very day those tapes went public, that s exactly where trump was, doral. his resort and golf club outside miami. the event was ostensibly a campaign photo op with a group of employees, many who are hispanic and support the republican nominee. it sounded like this. 800 acres in the middle of miami. if you look at the ballroom, that was brand-new that didn t exist. it s one of the great places on earth. we had a construction crew here of 1600 people. we rebuilt the whole place in 14 months. we did it under budget although i did increase the scope of the work because we decided to use the finest marbles. while trump was hanging out at his golf course with the finest marbles, hillary clinton was holding an event at broward alternative, which it is a business proposition, a poor business proposition and he s handling it terribly because he s incompetent at doing the one thing he says he s good at. that s a possibility. i think he s far too smart for that and at 70 years old as a billionaire mogul. we ll have to see the tax returns. that s not on his agenda right now. i don t think anyone can doubt this. even if you have the most malicious and nefarious view of donald trump you can t doubt that he s poured his body and soul into this campaign. everyone who runs for president does that. no, no. it s incredibly special. if you were to compare his schedule to hillary clinton s you would see a frenetic campaigner on one side, a man who could be my father all the time, yeah. i could never keep up his schedule versus hillary clinton who campaigns every few days. but you realize this is like one of trump s sons said this is a huge step down for him to run for president. he s not doing it donald trump isn t doing anyone any favors for running to be the most powerful person on the planet, right? i disagree by saying a step down the presidency is never a step down. good, i m glad we agree on that. i think he misspoke there, chris. having said that, i truly believe this, i did, and i came to the trump train late. i m a convert to the trump train. i haven t been drinking trump kool-aid since the very beginning but i ve become a true believer. i really believe this. this man, do you think that at this stage of his life, of his fortune, his career, he needs any of this? no, he doesn t. he is doing this because he sees that our country is gravely ill. we are economically and nationally sick i understand that that s the theory of the case for trump supporters and it s what donald trump says and it s possible that that is actually the case. the other theory of the case and it s not just one that people opposed to him politically believe, but people that share the republican party s beliefs but don t like donald trump is he s fundamentally a narcissist who has become addicted to the attention, is sort of compulsively driven by attention and this has given him an outlet for that attention and crucially doesn t actually care about the party that he is nominally representing in two weeks. that s an important point. chris, to your point, and i will concede this to you, there are some people whom i respect who hold those views. i would counter that by saying that generally they are part of a washington establishment that exists for its own self-aggrandizement yes, i get that. we are the outsiders and the establishment can t stand what we represent. and by the way, i m glad they can t because we re not coming there around the edges. i can say i get that argument. there s some truth to that. you re talking about this wired part of the establishment. but the random mormon voters that wanted nothing to do with the guy are now part of the establishment have come to the same conclusion. thank you. congratulations the campaign just bought a bunch of copies of that book. that s money in your pocket. well, no, it isn t. i ve given away so far $85,000. is that true? $85,000 in royalties so far this year and i ll continue to give it away to anti- pro-immigration causes. trying to make sense of he s going to this hotel. he s at doral today. we ve got the tape saying he s going to his hotel tomorrow. there s a sense in which it could be the case that the incentives of running for president and getting maximum attention for yourself sometimes align and at some point they stop aligning and you just keep going with the incentives for maximum attention for yourself. that s the only incentive he has. so what you said poor steve cortez, what a horrible, horrible job to have to defend this man. and you can see how impossible it is at this point. let me just note on steve s behalf and steve believes in what he s saying and i don t doubt for a moment all the people you see on donald trump have not been drafted into it. everyone has entered into it of their own i don t mean he s doing it against his will. it s a crappy job. no, so i think the point you were making about his need for attention, listen, he has kept upping the ante in terms of getting attention. the new york times peace about michael d antonio s interviews really brought that up again, this desperate feeling that if i m not getting attention, that i barely exist. he s like he s rowing the boat across a river and the promised land is on the other side but there s a hole in the boat and he s bailing, bailing, bailing, and he s bailing so much that he can t actually row the boat. so the promised land is never going to be reached. it s funny you said that because the way this gets understood in the campaign context oh, they re not doing the blocking and tackling, the organizational operational things they need to do in this election, why is he going to his hotel. that s called lack of discipline. if you were just lazy, you would offload that to someone else and let them do the work for you. his incentives are not aligned with the republican party. they are part of the time but not all the time. i also wonder if at this point, given his noted inability to deal with shame, humiliation and loss and what seem like epically deep psychic wounds that he carries around, he just wants to go and be in a place that he feels like he created and right. go back to home. go back to somewhere, something that he maybe can feel good about. yeah, he did end today s doral event by just muttering rosebud over and over again. no, i think the fascinating several different pieces of the trump psyche revealed by what happened today and one of them is this decision not to hold more fund-raisers. what s that about? that s very simple. he s already in revenge mode. desperate. he wants to get the republican party. and if it means blowing up the republican party, the democracy, whatever it takes, donald trump is going to try to get back some semblance of self-worth. and to me, the biggest lesson i ve learned up till now with two weeks to go before the election and the thing i have to take myself back to kind of parse is just how powerful a personality can be when it is as not worried about norms or shame as a normal person. like that s been the big lesson. like, wow, you can really go pretty far and you can get away with a lot. at the risk of violating goodwin s law, this is the big lie, that s why it s so powerful. that most people will not accept the fact that you are who was it that said that eventually donald trump will go on television and insist he never ran for president? his ability to be so shameless, i think that it s impossible for most people to parse. they assume that there must be something to his grandiose self-presentation because who could be a con man on that big of a scale? well yeah, go ahead. my question to you is the other thing you have to remember about this guy is he s not been a politician. running for electoral office is deeply humbling, not in the way like i m deeply humbled. you go and shake hands and beg people for your vote and you lose races. he s not gone through that. so huh reacts this last two weeks is a totally open question. i think it s pretty clear how he ll react. he ll keep doing those things that make him feel like it s somebody else s fault that this has happened and he ll keep doing those things that serve his self-interests. the clash of civilizations that really this represents is between self-interest and a greater interest. it s between me and we. thank god it looks like we is going to win because if it doesn t win, the planet isn t going to survive. and if trump i really believe that. i believe that we re at a turning point here. and there are concentric circles of we, the we of the planet, the we of a whole bunch of stuff. thank you both. the early returns from early voting. president obama s battleground states director on what early votes tell us about where this race stands two weeks out and why the odds democrats take back the senate are getting better after a quick minute break. on the roaoaagn [ front assi sounds [ musi on the roaoaagn [ girl lghs ] ike a band of gypsies weo down the highway [ beetle horn honk standardeature you gete foless than you expeed hurry and lease for just $199 pa month. would you lp me make art? each one of or journe keeps us youn hey, i have an id! we ll never get old. artygoe amazing! amazing! announcer: give your cardboard box another fe. woman: how do we protect them from $4 billion in new cuts to california schools? man: vote yes on proposition 55. woman: prop 55 doesn t raise taxes on anyone. man: not on working californians, not small businesses. no one. woman: instead, prop 55 simply maintains the current tax rate on the wealthiest californians. man: so those who can most afford it continue paying their fair share. woman: .to prevent new education cuts. man: .and keep improving california s schools. woman: vote yes on prop 55 to help our children thrive. as donald trump s fortunes continue to slide, he s increasingly dragging the fortunes of senior republicans with him. the cook report saying that senate democrats are poised to pick up five to seven seats which would give them the majority. races in the toss-up column never split down the milled. one party tends to win the lion s share of that. there s not enough time for republicans to recover toss-up seats in the states where hillary clinton is leading. early voting is under way and trump won t be any help especially since his campaign doesn t have a ground game to speak of. between the dnc and state party operations campaign finance reports show democrats employ 5,138 staffers across 15 battleground states. trump s campaign, the republican national committee employ just 1400 staffers in 16 states. how well does that work for those who turn out for election day. early voting data offers some potential insight. according to the washington post, the end of saturday, staffers s s celebrated 39,148 people had vetted compared to 33,187 in 2012. no wonder katy perry held a rally for clinton in clark county on saturday literally gave a ride to some attendees to some of the early voting spots afterwards. in a one-two punch, president obama was in the same county the next day. if there s a single person on earth who knows this data inside and out, it s mitch stewart. currently a partner at 270 strategists. i want to start with this before we get to the early voting data. it s important for folks to understand when you were sitting at your perch in the 2012 campaign and folks were running the operation in clinton s campaign, you re not looking at the real clear politics or 548, you have internal data. what is that made of and what does it say and tell you that we on the inside don t know? you have a voter file that has all kinds of different data information on these specific individuals. their vote history, likely candidate preference. all kinds of things that you can look at. what you get then from the county auditor or from the secretary of state are individual level returns. so you know exactly who voted early, and many times you know how they voted early, either in person or by mail. then you can imagine that back to your existing database or voter file. and you know enough about those people you sort of profiled the them whether it s through their age, their education level, their ethnicity to be pretty confident who they re actually voting for based on the models you have. no, exactly right. you look at two separate data points. the first is what we call a preference candidate model. every voter will have a score from 100-1. out of 100 mitch stewarts, barack obama would get 1 vote. ten people would vote for barack obama. 90 for mitt romney. you look at that and then you also look at your turnout score. how likely are you to vote if somebody were not to remind you? you have a score of 100-1 on every single voter in that state. what you want to do with early vote, in most states, you want your supporters who have a middling turnout score, folks you aren t superconfident they will vote on election day unless you remind them. you want them to vote early. if somebody lass a high turnout score, irrespective if you remind them or not. you have the two scores. how likely am i to support the candidate that mitch stewart is supporting which would be barack obama you want people you are sure will vote for your candidate but in the middle of the propensity to turn out bau you can work on them in this sort of sustained fashion for this period and make sure they get in their own time and choosing. that s exactly right. not only do you measure your success from a field operation, you also measure your opponent s success and who are they getting to turn out early? are these getting out election day voters and just doing it early or are they reaching into the people who would be less likely to participate so they re growing their pie? so you look at both. you can do something like in 2012, say in a state like nevada, your campaign basically knew who won nevada before election day. you will have 80% of nevadans vote early. we had about a 12-point lead with 80% of the electorate in. the republicans would be literally like a 70-30 win on election day to make up for that early vote deficit. iowa is another example. just 40% voted early and we had about a ten-point lead. on election day republicans had almost an insurmountable gap to fill. you felt very, very comfortable with a couple of those states or you knew that this could be really, really close like florida. so it does provide you some assurance of what s going to happen on election day. but more importantly from a campaign perspective, it allows you to allocate resources more efficiently. so we stopped spending a ton of money in nevada once we realized that 80% of the electorate voted. we wind down the budget there and focus on a state like virginia where 90% of the state will vote on election day because there s very little vote happening there. we ll check in on elizabeth warren who is speaking moments ago. take a listen. she gets up every day no, i hope you heard donald trump in the debate when he said that he was smart not to pay any taxes. that s right. he is smart and all of you who pay taxes are dumb. everyone who pays taxes. to keep our roads and bridges working is dumb. everyone who pays taxes to support our world class military is dumb. everyone who pays taxes to support medical research and scientific research is dumb. dumb because donald trump doesn t plan to pay. he just plans to use all those things you paid for. what kind of man does that? a selfish little sleazeball. a man who will never be president of the united states. you bet. now, donald trump s been out there. he hasn t been hiding who he is. he s been out there from the very beginning. he s been out there and where has your senator, richard burr, been all this time? i wanted to look this up, make sure i got this right before i came here. richard burr said make no mistake, i am fully supportive of donald trump. no dancing around that one. so donald trump called latinos rapists and murderers and burr fully sports trump. trump called african-americans thugs and donald trump and burr fully supports donald trump. trump attacked a gold star family and burr fully supports donald trump. trump praised vladimir putin and compared himself to dictators. and burr fully supports donald trump. trump calls women fat pigs and bimbos and brags about sexually assaulting women. and richard burr is like a puppy on a leash sticking right there with donald trump. you know, if richard burr is just going to be donald trump s lapdog, then let him go off and do that, but the people of north carolina need a strong, independent voice to fight for the families of north carolina. and that is deborah ross. that was elizabeth warren speaking in north carolina just a few moments ago in support of deborah ross who is the democratic senate candidate challenging richard burr in a tightly contested race, yolking him to trump. as you just saw. spent many years as a nuclear missile launch officer. if the president gave the order, we had to launch the missile th. i prayed tt callwould ver come. self control m be all at keeps these misses frofiring. i wbr id= wbr16813 /> ulbomb the s[ be ]ut of ebe all i want to unpredictable. i lovear. the thoughonald trump with nuclear weapons scares me to death. it should scare everyone. i hillary clinton and i approve this msa. donald trump has spent his entire presidential wbr id= wbr17118 /> xap both obsessed with media coverage and harshly critical of the press. his rhetoric has grown ever harsher in recent weeks as his poll numbers collapsed. these people are among the most dishonest people in the world, the media. /b> they are the worst. they re trying to fix the election for crooked hillary. the media is entitled, condescending and even contemptuous of people who don t share certain elitist views. reporters are ritualistic booed when they re escorted into the trump rallies where they stand in pens and heckled while they cover them. this video shows the view from the press area. reporters describe did vitriol they face at trump rallies as increasingly hostile with people flipping middle fingers at them. a trump rally in cleveland buzzfeed reporter rosie gray reported that two men outside the press pen were quoted picking up after one of the men said the word lugenpresser. lugenpresser. you said it right. that s right. the word that man there was so excited to learn, lugenpresser means lying press in german. and it s the term the nazis used to demonize and the media and stir anti-jew hatred. while trump has traveled further into the fact-free swamp and a cocoon where he doesn t like anything that he says is false. it must be cured if the party is to be saved. we ll break down her diagnosis next. 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if they re going to lay it at the feet of donald trump and say, you know, if we d only had a candidate with maybe the same package or policies but a little more empathic gloss, a little less boorish, less bigoted, hadn t been caught on tape saying he harassed women. that s wrong. the problem is not donald trump, the problem is that a large share of their base believes completely bonkers bigoted things. they ve been fed this again and again over year business the right wing what do you mean by bonkers bigoted things. birtherism, data trutherism. is that like large significant parts of fox viewers and conservatives and republicans that think that all the economic data is being juiced. the polls are skewed. even the fox news polls are skewed these days according to the republican base. beyond that, you know, that the weather numbers that we get are wrong. you know, that matt drudge had recently said that nobody should evacuate their homes when a hurricane was coming. right, a liberal media conspiracy. it was a conspiracy. the numbers were made up, the projections were made up to gin up fear about global warming. the idea is that there s this sort of context tu wal environment in which trump has flourished and the environment is more important than trump because the environment is the environment that s so self-contained and untethered from connections to external reality that you can have a candidate like this yes, basically the alt-right for years has created an alternate reality that has ultimately led to trump. you mean the right. the alt-right. i think i would say that there s a self-identified white nationalists of the alt-right. it s larger than that. i don t mean to paint all conservative leaning journalists with the same brush, those that are pedalling crazy conspiracy theories saying that obamaas not born in the united states, there sort of thing. that s part of the issue because there s tons of conservative journalists and writers and folks at fox. there are places that people have integrity. they re opinionated with an ideological ax to grind but who doesn t have one. phil klein has been reporting on obamacare, conservative, doesn t like obamacare, is embedded in the facts of what obamacare is, there s subject matter, knowledge, there s expertise, all these things. that s a very small group of these folks with a very small and my concern is that republican leadership has been playing along for years with these conspiracy theorizers. they re controlled by them. they re terrified of them. look what happened to eric cantor in his primary race to david bratt when basically right wing radio decided to take him on. so i think there are two issues going on here, why they haven t been willing to take on the crazies essentially. one is that they desperately need the imprimatur of these places because they re influential, handy is influential, drudge, whoever else, if they tick them off, they ll potentially lose those voters. to some extent the conspiracy theories have served their interests, in the short term. the popular mandate of the first black president, maybe that was useful to their cause in the near term, but in the long run it stoked a lot of racial resentment. the same thing with clinton voter fraud. it has been extremely useful. but in the pretext by which they passed actual pieces of legislation that made it harder for actual populations that actually vote for democrats in large numbers to vote. yes, and in the long run it set the stage for a presidential candidate to explain to his many voters that the election will be sto stolen from them. today a large share of republicans in particular believe that that election will be stolen. i think that it s absolutely the case and you re seeing it in its sort of death throes now. karl rove in 2012 saying it s not over. but then they just went back to the script. the big question for the right is do they go back to the script or is there some kind of reckoning and catherine rampell, thanks for joining me. proud of y, son. ! a manufacturer. well that s why i dug this out for you. it s your grdpappy s hammer and would have wanted y to have it. it meant aot to him. yes, ge makespowerful . bui lle writing the code yes, ge makespowerful . that will allow those machines to shai be changi the y the worlworks. 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obamacare, i must be honest with you, because it s so bad for the people and they can t afford it. i m at trump international doral in miami and we don t even use obamacare. we don t want it. joining me now political reporter for the new york times and msnbc contributor. the perfect moment to me for two reasons, one it displays donald trump s general level of sort of policy expertise. and number two, most americans still now in 2016 don t know what obamacare is, couldn t tell you what it is, or who it affects. it s become this kind of culture war issue or symbolic thing. can you put a creche in the public square? you know, and if you called it trumpcare, it would probably poll better or call it like powellcare, it s the social with president obama that drove down the approvals. obviously for some people the premiums are going up, it will be a hardship, but much more than the exchanges. the gaurns on coverage and parents plans. you re saying the bill itself, the law itself. you can stay on till you re 26 there s a whole lot of laws about pushing the cost down and innovation in medicare and medicaid delivery and health systems and integrated care and there s no lifetime maximums, yada, yada, but a tiny percentage of voters are in there. but if we re dealing with a candidate who had any grasp of public policy or the idea of how to talk to voters 13 days before an election, we might see someone who could frame could make that argument. very clearly. this is a horrible day for sort of obamacare and ergo hillary clinton. trump can t help but make everything either, a, about himself or he doesn t much knew, know about obama, the language of this man is deplorable. he didn t seize the opportunity to break it down to the public. everyone is there asking him questions about it. he could have walked them through it briefly. to me it remains so we were talking about there s 3% of the people who are roughly insured should get their insurance through the exchanges. 80% of them are subsidized, more or less, we re talking about 1% of people that get the full heft of this subsidy increase. there are 7 million people who are not on the exchanges but are buying plans, individual plans or small plans so they ll also see the premium hikes. this is the a small percentage of voters. this law as controversial as the day it passed is actually a thing out there in the world which i have to say continues to astound me. because i don t think that was the expectation. i think president obama was not great about selling it in the early years. that s one problem. they tried to rectify that. i do think that the reason the focus is on the exchanges is that the exchanges are the broken part. and the interests that want to kill obamacare would not want to focus on the parts that are very, very popular, such as you can t be denied coverage for a prior condition and if the conditions were such that you could focus on the popular part, it would probably be a different conversation. kind of weird that none of the democrats or the gop has managed to really steer that conversation in the presidential election. but here s what i want to ask you as a political scientist, i sort of feel in the long run that the sort of lines of politics and policy should converge, right? if there s something that there s a lot of scare tactics and it will destroy america and turn us into this socialist monster and the thing happens and it s not that but maybe has some broken parts but opinion would converge on it but instead a health reporter called it like roe v. wade, there s no convergence on the sense it s just as polarizing. people have their fixed views about these things despite the fact that it s an operating thing that you can empirically assess. that goes back to nick s point when obama did something that fdr couldn t do, something lbj couldn t do and william jefferson clinton couldn t do and he passed obamacare and put his name on it. he took the negative. they put his name on it. exactly. but he never framed this. we saw it with the stimulus package and the affordable care act. there s still so much confusion and misinformation from the very beginning we re still sort of seeing how this has played out eight years after the fact. there s fascinating science that shows people s perceptions of what it is and what it constitutes and who it helps are crazy skewed. people perceive the stimulus bill and obamacare to be aimed at black people that it s not true which accounts for the hatred and resistance to it. who benefits from it. he s done very few racially targeted policies. you know, he is under the for better or worse, but you know all what is it, all tides lift all boats? yes, so there s going to be certain segments of the population that are disaffected good or bad but this is not a racially targeted policy by any stretch of the imagination. but that doesn t mean the perception of it perception becomes reality. democrats thought this would be a real boon to them. bill clinton said pass it, people will love it. that will be a political boon. that s not been the case. it s not the kryptonite that republicans believe. republicans keep thinking obamacare is so terrible. you want to reject this. look at the demographics. not getting republicans rich. there are certain republicans who are destitute and they realize a small segment realize that this is actually what s been keeping them afloat. that s true. so many people are one injury away from yeah. but also like with people on the exchanges, the people