houthis. that is the rebel group in yemen that s in this current battle to take over the country. they have already forced out the yemeni president and the government backed by the united states backed by saudi arabia egypt, the uae. the houthi rebels have an ally as well iran. joining me now fred pleitgen watching all of this from the iranian capital of tehran. fred we re now get something breaking news. if you can fill me in on saudi arabia s involvement in this complex in yemen. reporter: absolutely. the usdaies have announced an end saudis have announced an end to the bombing campaign that they re leading. they said on their state television network saying that operation decisive storm, which is what the bombing campaign is known as will be over by day s end, saying they have achieved all of their beives and that now the operation restoring hope will spring into action. they haven t exactly said what that new operation is going to be like whether it s going to be some sort of political dialogue that might begin between the factions in yemen. does seem as though the bombing campaign that s been going on for about a month is about to end, brooke. that s significant. also significant, as you ve been speaking to iranian officials, i want you to tell me what they re telling you about this potential, say that again, potential confrontation in the water off of yemen. reporter: it s interesting to be in iran at this point in time. there t seems the iranians are trying to compartmentalize their relations with the united states. you have the nuclear program. the talks about that. where they re trying to find some solution. then of course you do have the conflict that s going on, especially in and around yemen. but also on how to deal with isis as well the iranians were saying for their part they believe in the fight against isis they are the ones making headway. they still don t trust united states. with the thaw going on because of the nuclear program, there was conciliatory language. i was at the national army brigade and spoke to the commander of ground forces. what he had to say was quite remarkable. have a listen. translator: we consider the people of the united states to be good people kind people and hospitable people. we would very much like for the relations for the two countries to expand. and god willing, the united states will stay true to its commitments, and we hope that all of the p5+1 countries will carry out their promises. we hope this could pave the way for the two nations to expand their relations so that they could have logical scientific scientific, and cultural relations. reporter: as you hear, there s softer language than you would normally hear at an event like this. there were also the usual harsh tones, death to america heard, as well. as far as that the gulf of aden is concerned, the iranians saying the reason why they have ships in the area is is because they are an anti-piracy mission they re fighting against piracy in the gulf of aden. also near the somali coast. they say they have absolutely no intention of bringing their ships into yemen i waters. brooke? okay fred plighteitgenpleitgen. breaking news into n to cnn, saw state tv reporting the country spuling out of the fight in yemen. a development that appears to mean the end of the bombing campaign that some say was the only thing holding houthi rebels back from a complete takeover from the country. thomas good enough to be back, tehran bureau chief for the new york time. springboarding off what fred said the reason they would be in that neck of the woods in the water would be an anti-piracy mission. do you buy that? i do not because i m gullible but because the iranians have had around 30 anti-piracy missions as part of the international effort stop pirates in the horn of africa, to be present in the region. we must also put this a little into perspective please do. iranian ships are not like the mighty u.s. totally might in muscle these are very small and modest ships that really are under so much international scrutiny they cannot do that much. this morning on fox news i heard there were 79 iranian ships on their way to yemen 79 no, 7-2-9. well i think it s only a handful. and i don t want to tone down the threat. there needs to be perspective. and it s just not that big. i appreciate you checking that out. i talked to a lieutenant retired lieutenant commander last hour. he was like, i cannot imagine the notion if these iranian vessels start seeing the u.s. might and the coalition, he said there would likely be a u-turn. that was from someone from the navy. sort of corroborating what you re saying. let s talk about also just the complexities of the relationship between the u.s. and iran. you have iran citing and supporting the houthis. therefore, fighting against saudi arabia which would then be fighting against the united states as the u.s. ally at the same time. you have somewhat friendly friendly terms with this negotiation, iran over the nuclear nuclear talks with the united states. and i guess my question would be do you think what s happening in yemen, and especially learning that saudi arabia would be pulling out of air strikes. is what s happening there, do you think that will ultimately affect the deadline on the nuke talks come june? one thing is interesting. this morning, one of iran s deputy foreign ministers predicted this cease-fire to happen. and this shows the that there are some talks going on in the region. even between the two archenemies, saudi arabia and iran. we ve seen a terrible increase in tensions between the nation ii nations. the iranians said this morning there will be a cease-fire. people took it with skepticism. now the saudis themselves are announcing it on state tv. this shows at least that on all these levels on the complex situation in the region where certain countries are in competition, secondly, there are nuclear talks. when the iran is talking to the united states a key ally of the saudis that there are back channel talks going on. that they ve managed to for now possibly down tone the crisis in yemen. interesting. that s totally interesting. what about let me play a clip we ve been talking about, doing wonderful videos, the newyorktimes.com. let s play a clip and talk on the other side. the weekly friday prayers have long dominated the image of iran, and despite the recent attempt to mend ties with the west it is still business as usual here. [ speaking native language ] that s a perfect lead to my next question. i was reading that the ayatollah hasn t left iran since 1989. a lot of people in iran still consider america the great satan. then you have the american educated foreign minister part of the negotiations with the united states. can you explain to all of us the difference between the hardliners and those around the table? yeah. well, i would like to correct you on one point. it s than all iranians think that america is the great state and that iran is no, not no, no. changed a lot some do. the power structure is clearly making a choice toward the future. these talks are being supported by the ayatollah what who hasn t left the country in many years. but the talks need a chance. the people he s putting forward, like the foreign minister this english speaking, american educated 30 years here in new york city. he is the sort of the key figure in these talks, and he is clearly being told that the country must move forward. and this deal probably must get a fair chance. the hardliners who are still around as you see in the friday prayers and like portrayed in the clip on the newyorktimes.com they are for now buying that line. short of agreeing with it yes, america continues to be the big satan. okay we do some negotiating with the big satan. there s a problem. we can negotiate with the big satan. the great satan. thank you very much. again, watch his clips on the new york times website. thank you very much. coming in another day. we are now learning, let s pivot to this. we re now learning how, more detail about the 25-year-old in baltimore who lost his life a week ago, freddie gray. he was arrested in baltimore, may have had a severed spine. next hear from a baltimore reporter who has investigated police abuse in baltimore and discovered the department has paid millions in settlements. he ll join me live. the significant investigation. also, a former soccer coach to the younger of the boston bombers, jerry jerry, talks about what the dzhokhar tsarnaev, talks about what the convicted killer was like as a teenager and whether he think he should receive the death penalty. new images show hundreds of refugees crammed on it a boat paying thousands of dollars each. and risking their lives on the mediterranean sea. meet the world s newest energy superpower. surprised? 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i mean, what ultimately was the wish all of these cases involving police? the issue was there wasn t much oversight within the baltimore police department when there was allegations of abuse by officers. our investigation found that in 102 lawsuits similarities emerged pretty fast. officers made questionable arrests, and there was battered bones, broken faces, broken arms severe injuries. they were all charged with similar crimes. obstruction, hindering, disorderly, assault on a law enforcement officer. most charges in all cases were subsequently dropped. most victims were african-americans. they later sued. and they collected either through a settlement or a jury verdict. our investigation further found that the department didn t track that multiple officers had been sued several times. the city paid out multiple claims at the same tame for each officer without knowing it. there was many gaps in the system. so now i know the department of justice is investigating, right, because of what you all were able to do with the newspaper. and baltimore police, have they since released the names of the six officers suspended because of freddie gray s deaths? in your investigation, mark are other officers accused in these lawsuits? are they held accountable? i mean what happens to them? in our investigation, we couldn t find any examples where officers were held accountable. like i said there was no tracking mechanism. many officers never filed use of force reports or many complaints of forced by internal affairs. internal affairs has lots of problems. of the commissioner have vowed to clean up the bureau and make it more accountable to officers and residents. speaking of the mayor, the obvious followup question, have you seen progress since the investigation this is what she just said. we have a very challenging history in baltimore when it comes to police misconduct mortality. i as mayor have been determined to make progress. the number of lawsuits brought against the police department under my administration has gone down. discourtesy complaints excessive force complaints be all gone down. she says it s gone down. mark, that gone down? how s the progress been? well, they have come out and got out in front of everything and said they ll be more transparent and accountable. when the mayor and commissioner cite that the lawsuits have gone down, they re not saying there was almost 160 filed in 2013 and 2014. these could play out for years in the court system. these payouts account take another four five years. in all likelihood will come through the system. it will be a long time process. mark thank you very much, sir. thank you. next, the death penalty phase has begun in the boston bomber s trial. coming up, we ll talk to dzhokhar tsarnaev s former soccer coach about what tsarnaev was like in high school and if he should get the death penalty. plus nearly 24 hours after the boston marathon began yesterday, i mean what a finish here. this was 5:00 this morning. this man with muscular different see crossed the muscular dystrophy crossed the finish line. i hate cleaning the gutters. have you touched the stuff? it s evil. and ladders. awwwwwww!!!!! they have all those warnings on them. might as well say, you re going to die, jeff . you hired someone to clean the gutters? 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the penalty phase for convicted killer dzhokhar tsarnaev began today in federal court in boston. the same jury passed down guilty verdicts on all 30 charges, has been hearing witness accounts this morning. there was a double amputee recalling blood-curdling screams, and in their opening statement, prosecutors called tsarnaev unrepentant. with me, luis vasquez, tsarnaev s soccer coach and was a classmate of his big brother, tamerlan. he writes for the chronicle. welcome. thanks for having me on. let s begin with the sketch shown in court today. this is from when he was in his holding cell. this is july of 2013. they were showing him you see he s flipping off i don t know the surveillance camera in that prison. you coached him some years ago. does this fall in line, this action all in line with the dzhokhar tsarnaev you knew? absolutely not. what we re seeing now is a rebel. the guy i knew of the a middle of the pack kind of guy. we had a strictly player/coach relationship at the time. i never saw any signs or shadows of what came to be. i believe he did this in a state of vulnerability, not realizing what was happening in the aftermath of the attack shortly after. what he s doing now is flipping himself off. this may be his downfall between life and death. take me back, though. as you were coaching him on the soccer field, what kind of player was he? what kind of kid of he with his peers? peers? again, a middle of the pack kind of guy. he wasn t the best he wasn t the worst. he wasn t the friendliest or the meanest. he was there. he worked hard like the rest of the team. the team had coaches that set a high standard, and they were happy to fulfill it. he was a team player which is unfortunate because then they fell into something evil and turning their backs on our city. you know dzhokhar tsarnaev s lead defense lawyer is expected to make it out it was his older brother s influence over him, that, therefore, he should avoid death in this penalty phase. and you knew tamerlan separately. you never were with them together. what can you share just about the relationship that these brothers had? what i can say is that tamerlan had a stronghold on the leadership position between himself and his sibling. he viewed himself as a leader in the household. we don t exactly know the factors that played into that but he embraced that role and took it seriously. in terms of having to transition into american culture, he was far behind compared to his siblings and it was pretty evident when he came down on them for certain things and just the importance was clearly seen of having to follow the rules or the policies of their religion. you pose a question in one of your columns, is the younger tsarnaev paying for the sins of his brother. what do you think? i think he is. and that term shouldn t be taken lightly, what we can t fail to realize is that, yes, he is an active participant, he made his own decision to participate in this. however, with the team putting the blame on the dead older brother, that s pretty easy to do. someone has to pay the price for this and someone has to be made an example out of. it s going to be him. so he is paying for the sins of his brothers in addition to his own his brother in addition to his own. he put a bomb on the ground, that pressure cooker on boils ton street, fact. yes. when you talk about sorry no, when you talk about paying a price and we ve heard different things from different family members, victims and survivors, there was this opinion piece in the globe last week from mariner richard s parents, not wanting the death penalty. they don t want to constantly relive this as appeals will continue. others say absolutely he should die. what do you think? this is someone you coached. do you think he should do you think he should receive the death penalty? in the case of tamerlan and dzhokhar, the marathon bombers, these aren t the people i once knew. the crime doesn t fit the memories is what i ve said all along. in the grand scale, we have a country that s divided now. i think it s important to realize, to look at both ends of things. if we kill him he may have already come to terms that that s what his fate is going to be. and if he goes out with pride that s going to be a problem because then he will become a symbol in radical islam. we don t want him to become a symbol and to go out with pride. the death penalty would be the easy way out for him. if he gets to live he ll live out rest of his life in a max security prison in a cell where the walls are closing in every night and his brother is no longer this to save him. do you hope in your heart of hearts that that s what happens? he is in prison for rest of his life? i absolutely do. he needs to pay for what he did. he needs to pay for destroying and betraying a community? we took him in in terms of cam bay bridge and the boston area community, and so did the whole country. and he hurt people. we can t forget about the hurt they caused. i believe that last year s boston marathon was about resilience and recovery whereas this year we were able to demonstrate to the world that we have come full circle and especially with the ending that you guys just spoke about early this morning, approximately 4:00 or 5:00 a.m. that was inspirational and a great way to cap off the marathon. i am running off two hours sleep. i was compelled to go side by side with him to help him finish. but really? we re about to show that. i love that you showed up to join me today. i appreciate it. it s such an incredibly compelling story. absolutely. luis vasquez, thank you very much. let s stop talking about the killer here because i want to talk about who luis was with in the wee hours this morning. this amazing feat of determination, the final athlete to cross the finish line at the boston marathon. keep in mind, they started yesterday morning. he crossed the finish line at 5:00 today a.m. amid cheers from friends and supporters. [ wild cheers ] wow. this venezuelan man who suffers from muscular dystrophy defied all the odds finished the race 20 hours after he started it. much of the time he walked in the dark. nasty conditions pouring rain. he gave the message of hope and finally stepped across the finish line. the rain the distance the cold. everything today was overcome because when we are a team the human activity, the human will appears every time. this afternoon, the boston mayor, marty walsh, presenting him with a medal at city hampcongratulations. coming up what is it like to live under isis? we ve heard of the brutality, that s not new. there is also this government with courts and schools and hospitals. we will take you inside isis the state, next. plus images of hundreds of refugees crammed on to a boat desperate to escape from syria and get to europe. they are paying thousands just to get away. [meow mix jingle slowly and quietly plucks.] right on cue. 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who picks up the garbage, runs schools, and patrols the traffic? this is an area larger than many countries. isis has divided a territory into provinces. each of which has a governor. several new provinces have been created, virtually erasing the syria/iraq border. at the top of the government is the self-declared leader of isis al baghdadi. he has ten ministries or councils that maintain everything from health education and religious rulings to transportation and even environmental policy. despite its medieval send of justice, in many ways isis runs a surprisingly modern bureaucracy according to terror analysts. the health department has fully operational hospitals complete with maternity wards. babies are delivered daily registered and issued with official isis birth certificates. it also runs a vaccination campaign with health workers on motorcycles delivering polio vaccine drops and shots to protect against measles, mumps, andry bulla. it also has a and rubella. it also has a court system that runs its strict interpation of russia rea or islamic law. theft, for example is, publishable by chopping off punishable by chopping off a hand. handles everything from violations to rental disputes. the education department runs schools and even the university in mosul. girls receive an education, though segregated from boys. the curriculum is severely limited no art, music, or theater, no physical education or philosophy. just reading, writing, math and of course religion according to isis. any teacher hoping to work must undergo isis official russia sharia training. they ve taken over the civil infrastructure in place particularly in war-torn syria. isis hopes to prove it is bringing order to chaos, however violent its rule. atika schubert, thank you. we have also been reporting on this migrant criesise that has thousands fleeing isis as well as the civil war in syria. new video just in showing people sleeping on top of one another here. look at this. what one survivor calls a huge garbage bin on a cramped boat packed with migrants. hundred of them were trying to reach italy from syria. the exclusive video obtained. today 450 migrants being rescued off the italian coast. nearly 60 children among those picked up by two italian navy ships. meanwhile, the captain and crew member of a migrant boat that capsized at sea saturday are under arrest. more than 800 people were on board, but only few were rescued. the others are feared dead. let s go to italy in to catania. tell me about those rescued today. reporter: as you can see, this is a migrant crisis that escalates almost hour by hour. 446 migrants plucked from that boat there off the southeast of italy, off the coast of calabria. they re aboard two italian navy vessels, we understand heading here to sicily to the port of valgusta. now also that added to yesterday, a 638 migrants plucked off boats set adrift from libya yesterday. and they were pulled off at least six different vessels. hour by hour more and more people being rescued. we were showing the pictures of people sleeping on top of one another. i mean you ve been hearing stories of some of these survivors. what is life like on these ships? reporter: yeah certainly as you can see from those pictures the aim of the people smugglers, the human traffickers cramming these people on to rust busket boats is to bucket boats is to maximum profits. this is a multimillion dollar industry that traffickers are going. welfare of the migrants is the worst of their concern. they do not care if they get to their destination. they care about taking cash and shoving boats off into the mediterranean, talking to migrants who did survive and who are in sicily now. some horrendous stories. one syrian man who s been in sicily for ten days said that as he sat aboard his boat in elizabeth, he d already paid in libya, he d already paid $1,800 for the trip. he said as he sat there, the people smugglers gang he dealt with let one of the armed militias on board. guys in uniform, masks, and assault rifles burst on board, robbed all the migrants of their possessions, even pulled the gold earrings out of the ears of the women who were on board that boat. talked to another guy, as well. and a guy just 18-years-old. he said that he d come from sudan aboard two buses, along with a group of another group of migrants. he said at one point south of tripoli, the two buses were surrounded by isis gunmen. they pulled the people off the bus, sorted christians from muslims and beheaded 20 christians. he survived because he ran. he showed me a scar from a bullet. horrendous stories. horrendous, indeed. carl thank you. a scandal ahead over sex parties with drug enforcement administration agents could be forcing the agency s chief to step down. we have that for you coming up. also stunning dash cam video shows a car consumed by flames, the driver ned. carl, thank you. .is as easy as it gets. wouldn t it be great. .if hiring plumbers, carpenters and even piano tuners were just as simple? 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[ sirens ] he s still breathing! oh come on, man! come on. come on! come on i got his arm. okay. come on, man. come on! come on, man. come on, man. stay with us. stay with us! come on, man. come on. come on back. come on back. comea back. come on back. come on, dude. stay with us. come on you re all right! stay with us! you re all right. come on, you re all right! you re all right, man. come on, bud, you re all right. come on! hey, bud. relax, man. relax, bud, okay? you re going to be all right. come on, man. you re going to be all right, okay? you re all right. you re going to be all right. stay with us okay? you re going to be okay, all right, man? you re going to be okay. ambulance is coming all right? come on. you hear the police officers? stay with us, an ambulance is coming. the ambulance did come. it showed up moment later. the family of the driver that they pulled out tells our affiliate, ktvt he is currently in critical condition. we are learning this afternoon dea, the administrator of the dea, will be stepping down according to sources familiar with the situation. this is in light of troubling reports of dea agents participating in rowdy drug-fueled sex parties with colombian prostitutes, all paid for by drug cartel kingpins. ooh. justice correspondent evan perez has more now. and was this all because of the light punishments for those dea agents? reporter: you couldn t make it up right? no theis was like the straw that broke the camel s back for michelle leonhart. she had lost trust in the in the committee hearing she had a terrible performance in answering questions as to why the dea agents who were accused of this wrongdoing of the misbehavior were basically were basically just suspended for 14 days at the most and now they re still on the job. some of them still have their top secret security clearance. and she really couldn t answer those questions. that s what really did it when she lost the confidence of congress and the administration was not liking her because of the way she s handled the way the u.s. the federal government has handled the legalization of marijuana on the state level. there s plenty of issues with michelle leonhart. tell me quickly about loretta lynch and now how that human trafficking vote happened. will that be paving the way for her getting her way through? yes. we expect she ll probably get a vote on thursday. we might have a new attorney general certainly by the end of the week. ir rake hold eric holder he ll finally be free. coming up next, the man behind lean on me. taking his well earned spot into the hall of fame. hear what bill withers says about that incredible night and why he rarely per forms live. you re driving along, having a perfectly nice day, when out of nowhere a pick-up truck slams into your brand new car. one second it wasn t there and the next second. boom! you ve had your first accident. now you have to make your first claim. so you talk to your insurance company and. boom! you re blindsided for a second time. they won t give you enough money to replace your brand new car. don t those people know you re already shaken up? 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i would like to be considered your old budty. i think i owe your wife a huge thank you for getting you on the tv with me. what was the highlight? was it a little bit of getting to tell the record industry what you feel? was it yoko ono s hat? what was it? it was a few days of day va views and i love yous. who could have a problem with that. it s fantasy world. who was your favorite person to get to bump in to backstage? it was kind of fun. i got to hang out with the kids like beck beck was cool you know miley cyrus, i was teasing, you know. so we got to play with each other, you know. and of course ringo and steveie and all of the older guys. it was just as fun with me and the kids. the kids. you get to mess with them. it s like antagonizing your nephews or something. i m sure they were tickled by that. you know the last time we spoke, you couldn t remember the last decade you had performed. so how did it feel to get up there and sing? well it felt like i knew i wasn t 35 anymore, i ll tell you that brooke. you know how do you mean? your breath is different. well i wasn t really you know nobody knew what i was saying. i was able to hide. i could have been singing another song. they wouldn t have known the difference. so it was fun. the whole thing. and, you know john legend has always been very nice to me, and stevie when somebody is being nice to you it s day va views and i love yous. how did your family feel about seeing you over the weekend being inducted. you joked about watching a lot of judge judy. is there more judge judy in your future or will we get to see you on stage, sir? the thing about judge judy is a little cranky you know. so when you re kra mujen, you look for kindred spirits. i like the fact that she s licensed to be cranky and gives people a hard time. you know it s kind of fun. but talking about how my family felt i m sure my kids were sitting there thinking oh god, don t embarrass me. bill thank you so much. rock on. thank you for being nice to me. i always look forward to this in case you don t know this is a series called babbling with brooke and we do this by biannually. i like it. thank you. thank care, sugar. seriously, that happened. the induction ceremony will hair on hbo. thanks for watching. the lead starts now. why are u.s. war ships moving into the middle east? i m jake tapper. this is the lead. a show of force and a potential showdown at sea with iran. u.s. war ships sent to the waters off yemen. are they there to choke off the rebels who are friendly to iran? if not, why are they there? the national lead growing protests after a young man dies days after an encounter with the cops. could autopsy results which we re expecting any moment explain why this man was so severely hurt after police grabbed him and dragged him
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good morning. hope you had a great weekend everybody. i m bill hemmer. welcome here to america s newsroom . martha: it just keeps going. good morning, bill. good morning, everybody at home. i m martha maccallum. the republicans are demanding spending cuts instead. watch this from the weekend. we would promise the american people we would do this year-and-a-half ago. here we are already talk walking away from spending reductions we promised to make without tax increases the president signed just a year and a half ago. so i think the american people need to know that we have a spending addiction in washington. we re exploding our spending. we ve added $6 trillion in the national debt in just four years. bill: wow!. martha: this as new reports show that the tax bill for one group of americans is at a 30-year high right now already. bill: starting that coverage now, stu varney, host of varney & company , fox business network. good morning to you, stuart. good morning bill. bill: what is the story there. that is from a tax policy center research group in washington. they say that upper income people are paying a bigger proportion of their income in federal tax now that at any time in 30 years. i ll break it down for you. that top 20%, this year, will pay a 27% tax rate. they will lose 27% of their income to the federal government. the middle 20%, they earn roughly $46,000 a year. that middle 20% will pay 13% to the feds and the bottom 20%, will pay nothing at all. if you look at this overa period of time, upper income people this year will be paying a higher proportion than at any time in 30 years and the middle class and the poor will be paying less. bill: many would argue they are the job creators here. now the rich pay a bigger share because they re taking a bigger share of the income. isn t that reasonable explanation? that is and at least a chunk of the truth here but now follow this through, bill. if you continue to tax them more heavily, then you will hurt the economy because that, and that will hurt the middle class and the poor. look what we ve done. we have raised taxes as of january the 1st on everybody and upper income people. and the economy has slowed noticeably. we re on the edge of recession. raise taxes on upper income people even more, and they account for a big chunk of the spending in this country, you raise taxes some more, and you will hurt the middle class and the poor even more. bill: you know over the last three days, john boehner was emphatic on and so is mitch mcconnell as we just heard. they say they re going to hold their ground. do you expect that? i think it is fair to say that taxes, the tax issue is now become central to this budget-cutting, these budget debates. the republicans say they will not raise taxes anymore. the president is insisting just that. bill: just to drill down just one more point on this, what the president said over the weekend was tax rates won t change. right. bill: which, pay attention to that. that phrasing there. however, you bo after the loopholes, whether it is, interest rate deduction, whether charity deductions will stay on the table or not. do you see any of that being mixed into this current debate? yes it is, very much is in the debate but if you cut deductions, the president calls them loopholes, if you cut deductions those deductions are used primarily by upper income people. they will in the end pay a lot more money in tax. that is form of tax increase. and then you have this tax rate question. if we get the buffett rule , which the president is pushing for, that would be a change in the top tax rate as well as a closing of loopholes and deductions. bill: we ll see how they negotiate in the coming months or month. thank you, sir. see you at 9:20 on fbn. martha. martha: how much exactly do the top 10% of american households pay in taxes? according to the tax foundation the top 1% pay about 37.38% of the total tax burden renn in this country. more than a third, close to 40%. the top 1% earn around $370,000 or more. so that is who falls into that big group. bill: we re in sequester land right now. martha: we are. how do you like it so far? bill: i m doing okay. the sun came up. martha: so far, so good. bill: house speaker john boehner says do not blame him for failure to avert across the board spending cuts. he went all-out to find common ground before with the white house before sequestration kicked in. listen to this from nbc. there is no one who tried harder to come to an agreement with the president to deal with the long-term spending problem, no one. it is unfortunate and we have not been able to come to an agreement. bill: and we do not know when they will meet again. friday was the first time congressional leaders and the president talked face-to-face on this. mr. boehner also saying he is focus on getting runaway spending under control. martha. martha: well those sweeping across the board budget jet cuts taking effect topping the agenda at white house. in a few hours the president obama will hold a cabinet meeting what to do next from here. wendell goler live reporting from the white house. wendell, what do we expect he will tell them? reporter: well, martha, it is not clear because it appear cabinet secretaries and agency heads don t have as much flexibility in the budgets as they did in the 1980s when the gramm-rudman hollings budget cutting bill went into effect. that was the model for the sequester. the white house is warning workers here and at the capitol would be furloughed. the architect at the capitol says that is not the case. but the president s economic advisor says they will still feel a pinch. well, first of all, those capitol january norse january, to will not get as much overtime. taking less pay home does hurt. i think the real issue this is as the president said, a slow grind. reporter: gene sperling says the sequester could cost 3/4 of a million jobs. the white house is counting on public pressure from the pain of the sequester to push republicans to compromise on a deficit cutting bill. martha: a matter who blinks first, wepd dole? reporter: republicans agree to use tax revenue to reduce the deficit or the president agreeing to all cuts in government spend. mr. obama said that would put a burden on the poor and middle class. house speaker john boehner says he has already gotten his tax hike. i ve been here 22 years. i watched presidents from both parties, leaders from both parties, kick the can down the road and kick it down the road and kick the down the road. we re out of road to kick the can down. reporter: there is another deadline looming at the end. month, when the two sides, republicans and democrats have to agree on a spending plan to avoid a government shutdown. be prepared for that. martha: that is one beat up can. wendell thank you. bill: find it on google maps. we re awaiting a big announcement from president obama today, expected to tap sylvia matthews burr well, i think i said that right. she is currently president of the wal-mart foundation. she worked in the clinton white house as the deputy director of the office of management and budget. if confirmed by the senate, she would be the only second woman to hold the budget director post. we ll see how that goes down in washington. martha: we re getting started on this monday morning as we get things rolling along here in america s newsroom. secretary of state john kerry announcing over the weekend a hefty financial aid package for egypt. think about that in the context of this sequester, right? is that smart money to be spending right now? bill: a good question. a big chunk of that exclusive chris wallace had with mitt romney and his wife ann. how he is weighing in now on the current tax debate. so, how would president romney at this moment be handling your opposition in congress, the congressional democrats? well, first of all, i can go back to my experience as a governor, that is, you don t attack the opposition when you need to sit down and work with them. e new griddle-melts to your usual breakfast sandwich. a lot more flavor. 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well, no, bill. it is absolutely not. i think that this is a symbolic gesture by the united states. in fact, egypt s needs, the egypt s external financing needs number tens of billions of dollars. in order to get that kind of money they need to make a deal with the imf the imf will not make a deal with the muslim bother hood government until they show a commitment to economic reform. this is meant to show as a friend to egypt. frankly allies with egypt and egyptian opposition think we ve been too supportive of this muslim brotherhood government and therefore this type of gesture isn t needed. bill: keep in mind we don t know how they will govern. that story has not played out just yet. ultimately the risk there, john kerry said over the weekend, he said i expect a lot from you when talking to the egyptian defense minister. are they listening to us? well, remember, bill, this government now has been in power for a while. so we do have some indication how they re going to govern. they haven t yet shown that they re able to move, the muslim brotherhood i m talking about here, from act movement, to islamist movement to being a real political party to govern egypt. they haven t shown they can make the tough calls on economic rerecall to. they haven t shown, for example, they can reconcile with other political parties and govern by consensus rather than by imposing their own will. that is why this sort of money goes straight into the budget, straight into the coffers of the government there is simply not at good investment at this time of american foreign aid. bill: you wonder where egypt would be without this money. 1.3 billion to the military aid. m 1-a tanks and f-15 fighters. is this smart to do this now or should we a freeze on it? put a freeze on it to see how they act and conduct themselves? because the ultimate fear the egyptian government takes our military hardware and uses it against israel either as a threat or in a war and secondly against us? well i think that s right, bill. it is important to remember, first of all, this money is different, the 1.3 billion in military is different that it is spent in the united states on u.s. defense contractors. at least it is staying in the american economy. i think the question about it though is, number one, can we really trust this sort of unstable government with this kind of military assistance? and second, is it the right military assistance? remember the types of threats egypt faces now are the smuggling of arms through the sinai, terrorists in the sinai and along the sudanese border and frankly tanks and jets don t help to counter those threats. those are used against armies. i don t think they re a big threat to israel or other u.s. allies in the region because our allies like israel have much better equipment, frankly. but the fact they don t do much to accomplish our interests or egypt s interests. bill: this goes back to 1979. you have to understand the history and we brokered and helped buy peace between the egyptians and israelis. do you see any of that policy changing now? i do not, do you? well, you know, i don t see any of that changing right now. in part because look, there s a lot of inertia behind this military assistance. they re very sort of strong interests here in the united states that support this aid. there are strong interests in egypt and the in the region that support this aid. there are big obstacles to doing anything to change this. but i think look, over time we need to seriously look at least reorienting aid, to take on the counterterrorism threats and the arms smuggling threats which are the real threats in this region today. bill: when you think about the budget battles that are on the front page of every website and newspaper in america, this is really in the national conscience now, to think about how much money we re spending s this the type of thing that should be given a fair review? you know there is a certain irony, bill, i was going to egypt and pressing them for economic reforms and political consensus but look, i think that foreign aid is going to remain important to u.s. national security. woe may need to like in every other area look where we can cut and where it is being spent wisely and where it is not. that is the question about egypt. no is foreign aid a good idea but what are we getting for the foreign aid? is this a smart investment? i think that is something at that that s awfully difficult to show vis-a-vis egypt. bill: that is smart point at the end. michael singh out of washington. thank you, bill. bill: martha? martha: winter is still howling out there. there is another big winter storm right now. gosh, every single week we ve had another one and a wallop is coming at us again. we ll show you where it is headed. bill: winter is coming. president obama s home state is making to look it tougher to get a gun. if it breaks you can t give it to a gun smith even to fix it. you can t hand it to your son to use. it is all, it is all now outlawed because of 2012, the bill governor hickenlooper said he is going to sign. dentures are very different to real teeth. they re about 10 times softer and may have surface pores where bacteria can multiply. polident kills 99.99% of odor causing bacteria and helps dissolve stains. that s why i recommend polident. 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[ green giant ] ho ho ho. green giant bill: you can put the thoughts of spring on hold. another major storm is crossing the u.s. it is packing snow levels that rival anything we have seen this winter. meteorologist maria molina live in the fox extreme weather center. how much? bill, does not look too good. depends where you live. in minneapolis you could look at amounts just shy of a foot. chicago this could be the biggest snowstorm so far this entire season. you could pick up well over six inches of snow. washington, d.c. as we head into wednesday you need to watch the system very closely. we re under a winter storm watch because you could pick up five inches of snow. we re in a snow deficit across-sections of the mid-atlantic including you in d.c. and baltimore and philadelphia. we do actually need a little bit of snow. the area of low pressure is centered across the state of montana. well ahead of system we re picking up snow in north dakota, minnesota and parts of wisconsin, all the way down into illinois. we re starting to see some of that snow coming down. winner storm warnings in effect from minneapolis all the way into the city of chicago. it is not just how much snow we re going to get is an issue. it is also the winds that will be gusting 20 to 30 miles an hour at time. it will produce blowing snow, whiteout conditions and dangerous traveling conditions. it is not recommended in portions of minnesota and down through portions of illinois especially when we head into tomorrow when the storm starts to intensify. by wednesday we expect it across-sections of the mid-atlantic. still unearned where the exact center of storm will go. these are snow totals for particular cities. d.c. you could see over five inches of snow. some rain will mix n. parts of west virgina, bill, higher he will is cans elevations could see the ten inches of snow. bill: that is the march line. good for ski others. bill: that s true. thank you, maria. martha: former presidential nominee mitt romney weighing in on the tax debate gripping the country. anchor of fox news sunday chris wallace talked to mr. romney and his wife ann in interview we saw most of it over the weekend. he joins us with what you didn t see on sunday. good morning chris. that is exactly right, martha. we ran a lost interview but he had more things to say. one. key issues was the ski questionster and the mandate that the president got with his victory over romney in november. take a look. the president said he won a mandate to raise taxes on wealthy. on tuesday night we found out that the majority of americans agree with my approach. do you agree voters sent that missage, gave him that mandate? two things. he won but a majority of republicans were elected to the house, the people s chamber. so they also won. they ran on a platform of saying not to raise taxes. but the president won. and he got what he wanted. now he is saying i want to do it again, i want to do more. i don t think that is the right course because that will hurt the economy, make it more difficult for jobs to be created for the people that need those jobs. so how would president romney, at this moment, be handling your opposition in congress, the congressional democrats? well, first of all i can go back to my experience as a governor, and that is you don t attack the opposition when you need to sit down and work with them. number two, you show trust. you don t change the deal. you don t move the goalposts. bob woodward said the president has moved the goalposts on sequestration. the currency in politics is trust. number three, you have to spend time with them. instead of being out with campaigning which causes people to retrench. i think republicans feel that the president may be more interested in getting nothing done in these next two years and trying to replace republicans in the house so he can have it all democrat house and senate and then be able to run the field. and he really doesn t want to get the job done. i think there is growing feeling that may be the case. of course if you re a republican you re going to say, whoa, we better, we better be careful here and so the interests of the american people are being held hostage by politics. during the campaign the obama team hammered you for having investments in the cayman islands. out of touch. a prospect of a president with a swiss bank account and a retirement investments in the cayman islands? it now turns out that the new secretary of the treasury, jack lew, had investments in the cayman islands. so did the president. the president had investments in the cayman islands. now this is a normal structure for investing in private equity and venture capitalism. by the way people pay full u.s. taxes whether they have that vehicle or not. but look, the president s campaign was not one of laying out fairness. they tried to attack me and demonize me. that is the nature of a campaign. they couldn t talk about the president s record on the economy so they went after me personally and did it effectively. what do you think of the eight republican governors, including people like chris christie and john kasich, who opposed obamacare but now decided to accept federal funding to expand medicaid in their states? are they making a mistake? i think each governor has to assess what is right for his or her respective state and i m not going to second-guess them state by state. if i were governor of massachusetts, i would have to look at what our citizens needed, what was best for them. it may hurt them politically, i don t know but i think that those governors are doing what they think is right for the people of their state. that is what they were elect to do. more than 80 republican leaders, including some of your former top advisors and donors have now signed a legal brief calling for a constitutional right to marriage for same-sex couples when the issue comes up before the supreme court. has your position on that evolved at all? no. i believe that marriage is a relationship between a man and a woman and that is because i believe the ideal setting for raising a child is where there is a mother and a father in the home. other people have differing views and i respect that, whether that is in my party or in the democratic party but these are very personal matters. my hope is that when we discuss things of this nature, we show respect for people who have differing views. you know, i want to pick up, martha, on one thing that romney said earlier in that interview when he suggested that perhaps obama doesn t want a deal. that he wants to make this a campaign issue for 2014 so that he can end his time in the presidency with a democratic majority in the house and senate the way he began it with a victory, with a majority of the house and senate. that is growing feeling among republicans that you heard mitt romney express in our interview. martha: it certainly is. it was very interesting to hear how he answered your question, chris, what he would be doing. how he would approach it as a leader which he is clearly think the president is not doing. he said number one, don t attack. number two, show trust. and number three spend time with your opposition. those are three things clearly the president really has not been doing, right? i couldn t agree with you more. i thought that was just fascinating and you know i think that is the thing that frustrated him most as he said in the interview we ran on fox news sunday. it kills him to think could be a golden moment to make a big deal to solve the country s physical problems. to be wasted on politics. owe think is the president all about campaigning and not doing hard work as a leader which is to get the guys together in private rooms, no attacks, no politics and just work and work and work to make a deal and he said if you re out campaigning and bashing these guys, you can t then play the inside game as well because it destroys any trust. yeah. it s a big gamble really when you look at it that way for president obama, whether or not the legacy helping to usher in democrats to have a democratic congress in the last part of his presidency will outweigh what he would have gained if he had as mitt romney suggests, shown leadership and been able to pull people together that is political gamble. i do want to ask you about this other thing i thought was really interesting when you asked him about same-sex marriage because i think about the next presidential election and what will will hear from a possible gop candidate because clearly mitt romney did not resonate with a lot of groups out there, with hispanics, with people in favor of same zacks sex marriage. he was seen out of touch on a number about those fronts and he seems to be sort of sticking to the way that he presented himself then. well, that s right. so interesting, because in the interview he talks about the fact that we didn t communicate with people. he talks particularly about minorities. you have a lot of issues that are of greatest importance to minorities like, in the case of hispanics, illegal immigration. whether there should be a path to citizenship. obamacare, a program very important to people that don t have health care and also in this case about same-sex marriage for another constituency. he is not changing his views. so the question is, well, if you want to reach out to these people but you re not going to change your views, how do you have anymore success than you had in november of 2012? martha: yeah. and the other thing is, how successful the obama campaign was in portraying him as out of touch, and you know, you spent a great deal of time with them. a number of people spent time with them over the course of the campaign as well. they come across in a different way than they were portrayed. we saw that joe biden thought. they were very successful looking back at pinning him that way, weren t they? well, interestingly enough, one of the things, one of the keys to the election was that between april, when he became in effect the nominee in august, he was out of money and that is when the obama campaign really bashed him both on tax returns, and also bain capital. and i asked him about that. i said i know you didn t have money but couldn t you have done more to blunt that? you know, we tried and we did have a money problem, we did try to do it but it never moved the meter when we would do things like that. the only thing that would move meter in our polling when we, the romneys attacked obama on his programs so, you know on the one hand i think he feels badly bit but i m not sure he think it is would have made a difference in the election. martha: so interesting to see somebody who has been through this process and who is licking their wounds from the things that went right and things that went wrong and what they do next. chris, thank you so much. fascinating interview. thank you, martha we were talking on friday just previewing that for the show on sunday. it has been four months since we heard from him. fascinating now to look back not just over the campaign but also how he views the way washington is working. martha: if you don t go right back in, senator mccain went right back in as a senator. he always said he would be perfectly happy to return to that role. he loves being in the senate but it is very tough for folks in mitt romney s position to figure out how you go on, what you are going to do next. bill: good point. there is a new report out, martha, about iran s nuclear desire and what this move means for that regime s program now. we ll tell you about that in a moment. martha: this is an awful story. a nursing homeworker refuses to help a woman, who is dying at that nursing home. the shocking 911 call. what happened here? hand the phone to the passer-by. anybody there can do cpr. give them the phone please. i understand if your facility is not willing to do that. give the phone to that passer-by, that stranger. i need, this woman is not breathing enough. she will die if we don t get this started. martha: well horrific multicar crash in kentucky leaves six people dead. it happened on interstate 65 just south of louisville. two crashes took place within minutes of each other in the same spot. six people were killed in the first accident when a tractor-trailer rear-ended an suv in the second wreck, among the five people hurt, greg loman. drummer for country music star kellie pickler. he remains in serious condition. we ll keep you posted on that and update you when it comes in. bill: there is troubling news out of iran. that country s media suggesting it is closer than ever to going nuclear. iran claiming that it produces more than 3,000 advanced centrifuges used to make iran why iran yum. kt mark far lapped, former deputy of secretary of defense in the reagan administration. good morning. bill: the number,000, is that important, is that significant? is that a hoed line? it is not significant in itself but significant what happened last two or three weeks with iran. there are a indications they decided they made the decision they re going for it and nothing is going to stop them. what are those indications?. these new centrifuge. a centrifuge is basically like the spin cycle in the washing machine. you spin it a little bit you get the clothes a little dry. that is the uranium you use for medical research. bill: faster you spin the higher the quality? got it. you spin then you get enriched-uranium. bill: last week on foxnews.com, it was reporting a leading nuclear scientist from iran traveled to north korea to watch its latest nuclear test. now is there any doubt these two countries are working together in your mind. no. that is not the first time that happened. the north koreans tested missiles for example. they call them the taepodong missile. they cast it and sell it to iran. all of sudden the iranians get it. they paint the side of it. they call it a shahab business missile. i think they were working in conjunction. why is that significant? iran says, north korea, that pipsqueak after country, nobody stopped their nuclear program. they tested missiles. they tested nuclear devices. they talked about nuking new york. nobody stopped them. we re a much more bigger and powerful country. bill: they re taking cues on reaction and so far the reaction has been very little? yeah. bill: if iran were to announce it was nuclear tomorrow or a week from now, what would change? well, i think the whole world changes and that s why they will be very reluctant to stop their nuclear program at this point. first of all, what happens, iran becomes a dominant country in that is right. world, in the persian gulf, 40% of the world s exported oil comes from. secondly, they have nuclear weapons to threaten israel. now they talk about doing it all the time. maybe they don t want to go nuke tel aviv but the fact they talk about it, if you re israel, you can not take that idlely and lightly. you think somebody who talks about incinerating your people and has the ability to do so has to be taken seriously. then the third thing, the one i think affects us there is nuclear arms race in that part of the world, the most dangerous, unstable part of the world that has the world s oil. bill: now you mentioned israel. there is lot of talk, parlor talk or perhaps it is real about striking iran first. yes. bill: short of bombing iran, what are the three things the united states could do? okay. i never wanted to be in this position where you either let iran get the bomb or bomb iran. i think that there is still not much time but there is still a little bit of time. i would do three things. one, get our own oil. build that keystone pipeline. develop u.s. oil resources in north america. to the point where we are independent then. we don t need to rely on the middle east oil. we don t need to be pulled into every middle east conflict. bill: sounds logical. sounds logical. cyber weapons. we ve seen the cyber attacks that stuxnet worm, flame, the ones that we think we ve not admitted it but we think the united states probably and israel have done against iranians. they were very effective. bill: setting the program back. don t stop it. but set it back. so you buy a little bit of time. i think third thing we failed it do and reagan did to such effect talk directly to the iranian people. tell them we want you to be a great power. we don t mind you have nuclear weapons. we mind this iran, this leadership. they talk about threating the world and nuking throughout the region. bill: you would speak directly to the iranian people. absolutely. bill: didn t a top leader reject a request from joe biden to talk directly? that s why you talk directly to them because the supreme leader of iran, you re so smart to point this out, he is the guy that really makes the decision. he just rebuffed vice president biden s request for direct negotiations. what the united states should do, our leaders, go over the head of the iranian government directly to the iranian people. let them have the arab spring one more time. bill: wow, appreciate your input. thank you, kt talk to you later in the week. thank you. bill: kt macfarland here. 12 minutes before the hour. martha? martha: back here at home a financial meltdown in a major u.s. city. why unions could be part of the problem. also breaking news just moments ago out of london, on queen elizabeth. we ll be right back after this. thyou eat less.ing weiyou lose weight.et. it s a great plan. until you get hungry. that s the time to take slimful. one tasty 90-calorie slimful and a glass of water satisfies hunger for hours making it easier to eat smaller meals, and resist snacking. your friends might think you found the secret to losing weight. but it s no secret. it s slimful. eating less is a beautiful thing. bill: so the dark night rises in england. literally. check it out a real life batman. a potbelly caped crusader dragged a burglar into the station. he is trying anyway, right? martha: boy. bill: never revealed his identity, telling officers, quote, i ve got this one for. awesome. bill: before vanishing into that dark night. martha: all right. from one hero to another. brand new video showing queen elizabeth the ii, leaving the hospital. look how good she looks. she is walking down the steps in her nice red dress. she is fine as evidenced by video. she was in the hospital after overnight. i am mow between lloyd webber is a entertainment reporter. she joins me now and well-schooled. good to have you here. as we anticipated she is tough, she is fine, right. absolutely. she is infamous for robust help, even news of boeing into the hospital. she is 86 years old. only been in the hospital five times in her entire life. martha: how many of those were for babies? first time since 1982. and then of course, she just been hospitalized but is out and doing absolutely fine. yeah. martha: it is fascinating to watch here. she is 86 years old. yeah. martha: i think a lot of people talked to jubilee whether or not she would be able to exceed queen victoria, the longest reign in british history which is 64 years. you know, certainly good genes run in her family, right? her mother lived to 101. she will certainly be hanging on. she hasn t been in the hospital for ten years. she is opening a lot of hospitals but hasn t been in one. that has to be a question mark though. she did 425 official engagements in 2012. she is 86 years old. her husband is 92. there has to come a point perhaps we re asking a little bit too much of them. she is not the bionic woman. maybe we ll see the younger royals stepping up even more. i think only a matter of time before a prince william become as full-time working royal. martha: feels like they started to move in that direction. to bring them in more. the birth of their child will be happening over the summer. that will be important as well. there is always so much discussion, let s pull up a quote if we could from when queen elizabeth was 21, when she took on the job. you have the pope stepping down, unprecedented. first time in 600 years. this is a picture it of queen elizabeth on her 21st birthday, when she was about to become queen. she said we must giving noing less than the whole of ourselves. there is a notory which has been borne by many of my ancestors, a noble motto. i serve and declare before you and all, my whole life whether shall be long or short will be devoted to the service and service of our great imperial family which we all belong. she doesn t believe in stepping down. she absolutely doesn t. she is figurehead to 2 billion people. what happens to her affect as third of the world population. this is why it is news when she goes into the hospital. she made an oath to god. she won t be stepping down but younger members will step up more. we ve screen younger royals doing overseas tours a bit more. but long may she reign. martha: there was a, some of the web sites, sort of popping up pictures of charles as the next king and raising the question again, would she overstep charles and want william to exceed her, also highly unlike. that wouldn t happen. william wouldn t allow it. his father will probably have a very short reign. take over in his 80s and then it goes to william. the queen will not be stepping down. prince charles will inherit the throne and william and baby bump. martha: the baby will be auld talked about in july. yes. martha: boy or girl, it will be next in line. absolutely. it is, we know women make great monarchs. queen victoria, queen elizabeth the i and queen elizabeth ii. martha: we re glad she is out of the hospital. she looked great. always good to see you too. bill: she is not retiring? martha: no. bill: she is staying on the job. for life. martha: for life. bill: cardinals from around the world getting ready to pick the new pope. what they are deciding in a critical meeting today. we ll tell you about that. martha: emdid legs going on right now where a sinkhole swallowed an entire bedroom of a house and killed a man. this is an unbelievable story at the end of last week. the threat of experts now say this sinkhole is causing to the entire neighborhood. my father s retired navy. he spent 20 plus years and, we were afraid that a lot of his memorabilia from being in the service was lost. i mean i know i could replace it. it is just not the same as the original. 4ñyñ9s÷xq [ male announcer ] help brazil reduce its overall reliance on foreign imports with the launch of the country s largest petrochemical operation. when emerson takes up the challenge, it s never been done before simply bemes consider it solved. emerson. martha: all eyes are on rome this morning where the cardinals from around the world are gathering for their first round of talks. they will decide when they ll decide about the next pope. welcome to a brand-new hour on this monday morning in america s newsroom. great to see you, everybody, i m martha maccallum. i m bill hemmer. they have to make a decision soon. today s meetings will help identify the top candidates to lead the world s 1.2 billion candidates, a field that remains wide open from candidates from every corning are corner of the globe. martha faces will look very familiar to everybody soon. amy kellogg joins us live in room. what more do we know about the exciting happenings there today, amy? reporter: i have to say, martha the scenes outside of st. peters square today were not really consistent with the solemn undertaking that was about to begin. it was actually crazy with paparazzi getting their camera lenses into the faces of the cardinals as they made their way to the hall, the reporters absolutely mobbing every cardinal as he made his way to his meeting. it was reminiscent of a skaep scene outside of a courtroom. they took it well, they smiled, but they revealed absolutely nothing. the meeting got underway today and they had an afternoon break. we had a briefing from some of the u.s. cardinals who said so far it s been about logistics and nothing more. they have taken the solemn oath to keep the proceedings of the conclave secret once that begins. we spoke to cardinal whirl about what he hopes will be achieved here in rome. the call is to see someone who sees the work of the church today is to get the gospel out there, to invite people to experience god all over again, to invite people into that wonderful relationship with god all over again. we have too many people that i believe haven t really had that invitation, people who may feel they know what the church has to say, and it doesn t have much meaning to them. we need a pope who keeps reminding us there is such a beautiful, spiritual side to life and we need to share it with people. cardinal george from chicago cited saint thomas aquinos today and said they hope they will be quick in miking their decision. martha: how does the conclave actually work, amy. the meeting now, the kapbg tkpwaeugs i congregation is a chance for people to say what is on your mind. people over 80 can give their insight. it is appraiser full, martha they have to take an oath before they cast each vote each time. i believe that is in latin. what is understanding about this is they have to disguise their handwriting as best they can when they cast the secret ballots because they want this to be completely confidential. martha: so understanding, amy it will be fascinating to watch this process. there are so much high hopes i think in terms of the selection. we will be watching you all the time, amy. thanks so much from the vatican. bill: they call in the sweet sistine, the sweet sixteen, the top 16 candidates, who might be the next pope. the conclave date not set but expected to be decided once all the cardinals ae arrive in rome. benedict the 16 r- xvi will not take part in it. martha: bigger numbers of americans than ever in this process of electing the pope. eleven american electors will be in the conclave, all under the age of 80. you may recognize tim dolan the cardinal from the new york area. cardinal wirl, cardinal from the d.c. area. they were both elevated in 2012. you wonder if they will vote as a block, if they will sort of get together and decide who they want to support. it s going to be really interesting. i think there is so much hope for somebody bill: oftentimes i like even it to a fraternity. when you socialize you try and influence toward one person perhaps away from another or maybe even be on your own behalf. all this is possible now as they get together and decide the next leader. do you like sweet sistine. martha: or the animal house reference better as to what is happening in rome. bill: four minutes past the hour. potentially ground-breaking medical achievement. doctors claiming they have, quote, cured a baby born with hiv. jaime colby live here now with more. what do we know about the baby,. jamie: knee. it s exciting news to say the least, bill, but her hiv mom didn t have proper prenatal care and didn t even know she was hiv positive. in this case not wanting to wait for test results the baby s doctor decided to use an aggressive course of treatment, more than normal for hiv infected inc infants. two and a half years later the doctors have said the disease is undetectable, and said she is cured. she didn t return for childcare, and the mom had stopped the testing. upon retesting the virus was gone. she went back and looked at the tests when the preventative treatment began and they were all positive for hiv. my first thought was to panic. i thought, oh my goodness, i have been treating a child not actually infected. there is one other reported case of an hiv patient learning their virus had been turned. it was an hiv positive san francisco man who had leukemia and a bone marrow transplant. bill: what can this mean in the world s fight against pea at trick aid and that issue. reporter: an estimated 300 to 400,000 infants born globally each year with the infection. 90% of them are in resource-poor countries in africa. in the u.s. we are seeing dramatically fewer hiv births. scientists will do more research. they need to see if the what the doctor prescribed for her infant will work. what makes this case, bill, even more unique is you may know hiv patients undergo treatment for the rest of their lives. this baby had stopped, no virus. bill: incredible. a huge breakthrough if it holds. reporter: we are happy to hear it. martha: casey anthony is heading back to court today, the florida mom acquitted in the 2011 killing of her two waoerld daughte-year-old daughter caylee. steve harrigan joins us live as she is back in the news again. good morning, back in the news. it s not clear whether or not we will stul here se actually see the 26-year-old as she enters or leaves the bankruptcy court. it gets started at 1:30. there are no cameras allowed in the courtroom. casey anthony has largely been in hiding since her 2011 acquit alon the charges of murdering her 2-year-old daughter kale leave. she has been ranked among the most hated people in the united state. people will know where she is in tampa this afternoon. martha: we are looking at pictures of the acquittal that was a shock being moment. how has she survived over the couple of years and no job and claims to have only had a thousand dollars in that time period. there is going to be close questioning of her finances by the bankruptcy judge. she claims to have a thousand dollars in assets, no employment and $792,000 in debt, mostly to her attorney, jose bias. one poe tepbg alsna potential snag could be if she has a book deal o or a potential book deal. the judge might look into that in the proceedings today. bill: an american city buried in huge amounts of debt and high unmoment, now at risk of a state take over. how the republican governor is planning to turn things around there. we ll take you there. martha: how weird is this. former nba star dennis rodman speaking about his bizarre visit and what he calls his new friend, in north korea. bill: a nursing home under fire for refusin a nurse not performing cpr on a patient there. is there anybody there that is willing to help this lady and not help her die? 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[ female announcer ] ensure clear. nine grams protein. zero fat. in blueberry/pomegranate and peach. bill: at the moment president obama about to name sylvia matthews burwell as the new white house budget khaoefrbgs the woman who would be the director of the office of management and budget known as the omb. currently the head of the walmart foundation. it s confirmed by the senate she would be the second woman to hold this post. all this streaming live right now at foxnews.com. you can check it out online now. a california nursing home is now defending a nurse who refused to perform cpr on an 8 seven-year-old patient. shear is the 911 call. you can hear the operator practically begging the nurse to step in and begin cpr for this elderly woman. listen to this. yeah, we can t do cpr hand the phone to the the passerby, anybody there can do cpr. give them the phone, please. i understand if your facility is not willing to do that, give the phone to that passerby, that stranger to have it then. this woman is not breathing enough she is going to die if we don t get this started. i don t know where he is, but she s yelling at me and saying we have to have one of our other residents perform cpr and so instruct, and i m not going to do that. you re going to let this lady die? that s why we are calling the 11, i m sorry. we can t wait, it s a human being. is there anybody there willing to help this lady and not let her die? not at this time. martha: not at this time. i mean that is a stunning moment to witness on that tape. that patient ended up tkoeu dying at the hospital. i m joined by dr. marc siegl, professor at langon medical center. seth barronstein is louisiana aur, you can beat there are legal issues that prompted this for sure. what is your reaction to that. i m shocked about that. delay is the issue. it is so absurd to be calling 911 to get emergency medical personnel into a facility that in my opinion always should have that. the nurse that is there should be trained in cpr. the idea of a passerby doing it, what about the nurse? all facilities like that should have crash carts, emergency carts or at least defib r defibrillators that they can used if the heart stops bleeding. if you delay until the ambulance arrives your chances are of survival are less than a%. if you use cpr and a defibrillator if needed you can go up to a success rate of up to 75%. that is really the issue. they shouldn t be making a decision by the way of who is going to want to be resuscitated and who isn t. if they don t have a dnr order there they should resus state everyone. martha: the legal side of this is what this is all about. this is what their policy is according to the executive director. in the event of a health emergency at this independent living community our practice is to immediately call emergency medical personnel for assistance and to wait for the individual wait with that individual needing attention until such personnel arrives and that is the protocol that we followed. it s also worth mentions that this is the home s independent living community. they also have two other facilities, they have an adjacent assisted living facility, and a skilled nursing facility. they say the policies are different in those two. when they sign up to live independently they know this is the policy. let s go to our lawyer, what do you think? i think the situation is obviously outrageous. this is the perfect storm of bad judgment. this facility made a bad decision by apparently telling their nurses, who are clearly nor by and within the zone of assistance that not only should they not immediately provide assistance but that they are disqualified and they should have hands-off. that is an absolutely outrageous application of the policy. this nurse had terrible judgment. she stood there and apparently watched this woman gradually die. this is the perfect form of bad decision and at the end of the day legally although a company, an employer has broad latitude and discretion to provide policies they can t do it in way that puts their clients and customers at clear reus be. risk. even summer lifeguards know how to apply cpr. she abandoned her training. there is no justification with regard to either the facility or nurse in my opinion. martha, this is an independent living facility. plenty of people have medical problems here and by report she supposedly still had some breathing at the beginning. the idea is people are going to be prone to this kind of thing and they need to have a policy, medically, legally where they have to intervene in a situation like this because there could be a possibility to save this woman. martha: it s just stunning to listen to this woman standby. i wonder what it says about our society. because she s standing there and she s saying this is our policy. she s saying this woman on the phone is telling me i have to do something or we have to grab one of the other people who lives here to do something. i feel like we have in some places in society become exempt from human feeling and the need to forget all that and jump in and help out. you can t stand on legal ceremony while a person is in front of you dying. i think that this nurse did constitute trained medical personnel. if she didn t fall within the policy, then what she was doing there and why was the facility telling her that she was prohibited from applying life-saving medical care. absolutely outrageous, no factual or legal reason for this. this is really very disturbing. the policy of the place needs to be changed immediately. martha: gentlemen, thank you. i guess this is a warning for anyone who has a loved one in this kind of place to check out what the policy is and make sure you re very familiar witness and you understand the circumstances because this is a very unfortunate situation and very sad. thank you very much, gentlemen. bill: that operator tried and of oftentimes we report on stories where the operator dropped the ball. not in this case. martha: she said just grab anybody. even a little bit of pressure on that heart in that situation might have got even her the time she needed until they got there. bill: a man pulled to his death by a sinkhole. we have brand-new reaction now from the man s family. why they say more could have been done. i love my mom and dad with all my heart, and i just want my mom and dad to know that i love you and i tried to save your son, i tried my hardest. thyou eat less.ing weiyou lose weight.et. it s a great plan. until you get hungry. that s the time to take slimful. one tasty 90-calorie slimful and a glass of water satisfies hunger for hours making it easier to eat smaller meals, and resist snacking. your friends might think you found the secret to losing weight. but it s no secret. it s slimful. eating less is a beautiful thing. the first woman allowed to come both at an nfl regional combine. lauren silverman s big moment was short. she lasted only 19 yards. she blamed it on a quad injury she was suffering. while prepping for her try out this. i wanted to work through it and i certainly tried to, but she couldn t do it today. i know i can do a lot more. it s too bad that this happened. but i had to do what is right for my body, so i did the right thing so i can come out and keep kicking in the future. martha: here that, don t count her out. 28-year-old silberman is not done yet. as to the questions of whether or not it was a publicity stunt the nfl says she was invited for her athletic ability. shy did play club sock tpher college. bill: she won a kicking contest too. martha: she didn t win one that day. bill: correct. martha: keep hanging in there. bill: staunch opposition, lawmakers in two states say they are considering extending the kind of in-state tuition benefits that are typically reserved for legal residents, and extending those benefits to illegal immigrants. dan springer is in our seattle bureau on this. are republicans changing their position on this story? reporter: well, bill, it s a big question, but in general it seems that there is an effort to move the party to a softer stance on what to do with people who are in the country illegally. you ve got the marco rubio task force looking for a path to citizenship and two states who have long opposed tuition states for illegals are poised to pass them. it will mean undocumented students who have been in oregon and colorado and five years and graduated from a high school there will be able to pay in-state tuition, and it s a huge savings, $21,000 a year difference in oregon between in-state and out of state tuition. for carla who is a high school junior in portland and an illegal immigrant who came here from mexico at 4 years old it means a legitimate shot at a college degree. republicans this both states helped put the bills over-the-top. it s been too easy to cast republicans aside and say they don t care about this. i think we are showing that we do share similarities with the hispanic community and our values are very closely aligned. reporter: the democratic governors in both states say they will sign the tuition equity bills into law. bill: not everyone, i d imagine is happy about this shift. explain that, dan. reporter: well, no, we interviewed a college student at oregon state university who is paying out of state tuition because she grew up in california. she can t understand why someone who is in the country illegally is getting what amounts to a great state subsidy and she is paying north of 22 grand a year. 13 states already allow illegal to pay in-state tuition rates. opponents call it pandering by republicans that will not help come election time. you should stand on what is right. to give special benefits to people who are illegally in the country, to the detriment of citizens is flat out wrong. reporter: but others argue the g.o.p. has to do better with hispanics at election time. governor romney as you know got just 27% of the hispanic vote in the 2012 election and republicans say they cannot survive in the changing demographics with that type of number. bill: we ll see what comes with this. thank you, dan. dan springer live in seattle, the pacific north wets. martha northwest. martha: former congresswoman s gabrielle giffords husband is taking his fight to a new state. bill: former nba start dennis rodman talking about his visit to north korea. why he says the leader, kim jong un wants president obama to do one thing, only one thing he said. martha: the husband of former congresswoman gabrielle giffords expected to testify in support of a key gun control measure in colorado. a lee alicialicia acuna live from denver. what are they looking at today. they are actually debating seven different gun control measures today. four of them have already been approved by the colorado state house. former shuttle commander mark kelly will be in denver to testify in support of one those measures which calls for mandatory background checks on all private gun sales and transfers. kelly testified before congress earlier this year you ll remember and the woman who tackled the tucson gunman who shot kelly s wife, congresswoman gabrielle giffords will also testify in support of another bill that will ban high capacity magazines of more than 15 rounds. i m a republican and i want to see these bills passed, because they are the right thing to do. we are allowing politics to take away the safety of our community, because people are afraid of the nra. it s ridiculous. nothing gets done, i tell you, these legislators are going to be responsible for what happens beyond here. reporter: and we are being told the debate will probably go well into the night if you can imagine. martha: it s become quite heated in colorado. it s a real battleground for this debate isn t it? reporter: it rao el i is. at times the vitriol has become pap pabl. both houses of the colorado legislature are controlled by democrats, on the senate side it s tighter. things are quite personal when it comes to gun control in the state of colorado, in particular there is one representative, rhonda fields who lost her son, she is a democrat, she lost her son to gun violence. she s been in a heated battle with gun rights advocates. she also represents the district of ahh roa auroia. one ban has passed the house. it could bana shotgun. the governor says he s going to sign it. they are coming after the standard shotgun. hrupbs ohundreds of thousands of pheasant minute hunters will be carrying around a gun they won t be able to replace after july of this year. others testifying this week in the state of colorado are those affected by the columbine shooting. the aurora theater shooting and the sandy hook shooting. martha. martha: thank you very much. bill: the white house appears to be dialing back the doom and gloom ple predictions but they are not backing down on whose fault this is, that would be house republicans. near is senior white house adviser jean sperling on that. nobody suggested which this harmful sequester which the speaker himself would be devastating to national security would have all its impact in the first few days. it is a slow grind. make no mistake about it, you can t cut $42 billion from defense in seven months ab not hurt jobs, veterans, veterans are often those who work in civilian military jobs. you re going to hurt a lot of people. bill: the phrase there was a slow grind. tony sakes, and kirstin powers, both fox news contribute ers contributors, how are you doing? the president on friday was predicting that job cuts would come immediately on capitol hill and that did not appear to be the case just yet, tony. was sperling talking with the same tongue that the president was or not? even the new york times last week warned the president not to be the president who cried wolf. he had obviously taken to the stage to create the impression that she s cuts were going to be so drier and drastic it was almost a doomsday scenario. arne duncan came out, and said teachers were being furniture load in a west virginia county. the president the day of his meeting with congressional leaders said janitors on capitol hill were going to be having their hours cut. that was proven falls. bill: they said that will not be the case. you re starting to see these articles written about a credibility issue for the president. if it doesn t happen, what is your view of that and how that affects him? you know, i don t really understand why they are making up stories about people losing their jobs bike the janitors, when in fact people are going to lose their jobs. the reality is it s not necessarily going to be an apocalypse but it s going to be bad. if cbo says it could be 700, 750,000 people losing their jobs in a very fragile economy. that is not a minor thing. and so by exaggerating it it actually detracts from the message which is that this is actually serous. bill: that whole point about layoffs, you wonder why it has to be that way. because we re spending all this money, 3.5 trillion this year, i mean somewhere you can go in there and save extense spencess. tk-rbg roy murdoch wrote this over the weekend. imagine that your boss nicked your pay 2.4%. would you dodge next month s rent, skip your insulin purchases or unplug your refrigerator. you d most likely untphrug your refrigerator to lower your power bill. president obama would make premium cable over paying his landlords. the most inexplicable thing to me is that okay, we got to the sequester, blame to be shared as we always say in washington. there are structural problems with the kay things are getting done. but the republicans a week ago decided to give the presidenttyd these drastic bad cuts and select what he would replace the cuts with in the sequester. remember, the president wanted this exact power to avoid a debt ceiling showdown back in september. when the republicans gave him the chance and said okay let s not cut money toys aeubld kids, military families, poor children, first responders. bill: he said he did not want that. keurs teen, whkirsten why would he not won t that? i don t know. the only real explanation is that he want withed the sequester to take effect in the way it s been structured, which will be the most damaging. both parties supported the sequester, you know, the republicans voted for it. i guess now they are trying to fix the problem, and the president should agree to this. i mean, they should give the flexibility to the departments to make the cuts where they need to be made. bill: he s not going with it so far. i suspect he s going to come around on it, because it s not there is no defense for it really, that i can think of. bill: one more point to make on this. for five years americans outside of government, i mean they ve been rearranging their lives in make ends meet, and the first of the year he had social security tax go up 2%. for the first time the federal government is starting to feel what the rest of america has gone through. i have 20 second left for both of you. tony, take that. bill, this is the exact poi point. republicans are compromising. we don t want defense cuts, it s been sacrosanct for republicans not to put the pentagon. we under in order to get our deficit and debt under control we have to give in on something and we gave in on defense cuts for the president. it s a good sign of compromise and he should take that good faith and compromise himself. bill: i don t think the republicans are acting in good faith at all. the argument about moving the goal post is completely skwhrufpbl. juvenile. there is no reason why they can t give a little on closing loopholes, something they say they have supported in the mast and mid a real deal with the president. bill: you re in washington, you ll see how the city changes or not. you ll be our eyes and ears on the ground, all right, powers? we are on it. martha: former nba star dennis rodman speaking out about his bizarre visit to north korea last week and his meeting with its leader, kim jong un. he spoke to george stephanopoulos and he says he doesn t want to make any excuses for the man that he describes as, quote, a friend now. and he says kim is open to building a relationship with the united states. this is so weird, listen to this. you called them great leaders, do you really believe that? i saw in that country, i saw in that country, and i saw people respect him, and his family, that s what i mean about that. aren t they forced to? well, i say no, because i think he s going to change something, he s just a different view. i sat with him for two days and the one thing he asked me to give obama something to say and do one thing. he want obama to do one thing, call him. martha: i m sure he s going to jump right on that advice, right. bill: i doubt it. martha: if i had known he wanted me to call him i would have called him a loaning time ago. bill: you know what i was thinking after i was watching sir dennis here. we should wear sunglasses in the studio because the lights are really bright. welcome home dennis, home you had a great trip over there. martha: a nice guy. bill: the motor city is in need of a state take over, is that what is about to happen in michigan? 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absolutely. you come up with one reason why detroit is in and, it s the unions. it s clear and similar tell. the unions are destroying detroit and many other industries. this ties into the autoindustry. what was the problem mr., the unions. you have 48 unions they have to deal with. billions in dollars in unfunded pensions and health costs. where is the money going to come from? the politicians in detroit now aren t going to do that. you have to bring in somebody from the outside to take care of that. martha: you bring somebody in what power does that manager have to fix those union contracts? is that possible? the reason a lot of these major cities, you know, a lot of cities in california that are also facing bankruptcy, are looking at either a receivership or the bankruptcy option, is this may be the only way, martha, to get out from under those enormous contracts and those obligations, because once they file for bankruptcy then all the contracts are null and void and they can be renegotiated. that s what a lot of city managers are looking at doing right now, because if they stay on the path they are on right now, martha, one out of every three tax dollars collected from a shrinking tax base would go not for services, schools and roads and parks and emergency services, but to pay for pensions of people who are retired. you just can t run a city that way. martha: you know, mat matt back to the election and president obama talking about saving detroit and how the car industry was one of the great victories of the first term of president obama. how does that play into what we re talking about here, or does it? if it was a great victory you d have a lot of people wanting to move to detroit for an expanding auto industry. unfortunately our auto industry is not expanding. the only reason gm and ford are doing see sent is because of overseas sales. there is nothing to do with domestically right now. taking a look at detroit, the economy is based on the autoindependent straoerbgs let s get real. the fact that the auto industry is not doing well means detroit is not doing well. it s a failure. the top five largest cities in our country is about to go bankrupt, he didn t say anything, the auto industry or detroit. the auto industry actually is doing pretty well, it s just not in michigan any more. it s not in detroit. exactly. the motor city isn t the motor city any more. it s states like tennessee, texas and alabama that are making the cars. martha: what drove them away? it s because they didn t have to deal with the unions in those states. exactly and right-to-work laws. michigan should become a right-to-work law, that would bring some of the jobs back. martha: here is the list, the u.s. cities going broke. stockton, california. detroit, michigan, pontiac michigan, central falls, rhode island, the story of manufacturing tha. bill: what is happening jon scott standing by. jon: there are new warnings out there of a massive cyber attack if you use online banking. we ll tell you what you need to know, plus a patient collapses at a retirement home and a nursery fuses to give cpr. now the woman is deed and the facility is defending the nurse s actions. we ll discuss the legal fallout sure to come. march coming in like a lion, forget spring. another winter wallop is on the way. we ll tell you where all on happening now. see you in about 11 minutes. bill: see you in 1 minutes. 11 minutes. there was tragedy for the family of a florida man, swallowed whole by a sin sing sinkhole. my two-year-old daughter keeps asking, where is jeff? 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believed to be connected to the attack and shooters separated muslims from nonmuslims and proceeded to kill as many as the nonmuslims as they could. kenya s president called them an existential threat and vowed to continue to fight terrorism today on national television saying quote, our forefathers bled and died for the nation, and we ll do everything to defend our way of life. today, a survival of that horrific attack on campus told cnn how she hid when the attack started and stayed there for two days. and then me i decided to go into the wardrobe in the wardrobe. we have this wardrobe that s small, small rooms, and then i covered myself with the clothes, and then these people in our room and then they entered our room and other roommates who were hidden themselves under the bed, they told them to go out, and when they were outside, they told if you don t know how to read them in the muslim word whatever and then you lie down and then if you know you go to the other side. we are join from the town where the mass car took place, not far from the somalia border. thank you. i know today you saw something disturbing. what was it? reporter: oh poppy, it was disturbing. in fact, it just continues the violent nature of the story. we went out to the morgue to see what evidence there could be of whether the gunmen were killed or not, and the authorities proceeded to put the bodies in the back of a pickup truck, drive them through town with the crowds assembling behind that truck and showing them off as if it was to the population and in effect to prove they killed these gunmen. because in previous attacks, there have been allegations that the military let people slip by and as you say, al shabab said they ll bathe the cities of kenya with blood. after the attack they want to do more, and kenya s president saying they ll spare nothing to go after them in kenya and next door in somalia. poppy? what resources does the government though have to fight them effectively? because after the 67 people died in the west gate mall attack in nairobi, now this. what more can the government do? reporter: they have been complaining they were understaffed and not enough resources to take on what you said as an existential threat. they called up thousands of recruits to help secure the country, and also the u.s. is very involved in the fight against terror here in kenya and in somalia. there are special forces involved as well as covert drone strikes that have taken up several leaders of al shabab. they are not nearly strong a force as it was several years ago when it held big parts of somalia as a quasi government but they are cornered and dangerous, and they have in recent months threatened u.s. targets. there s going to be a lot of cooperation in the coming months. they did recently threaten malls across the u.s. incoming the mall of america. what are the people in the town telling you? obviously, they are in shock, horrified, but are they defiant? well, they are defiant, and there s complex situation going on here much of this town somalia, kenya, they speak the language of somalia, and as well as sharing the faith, but, obviously, most of them, all of them spoken to have been horrify horrified by the attack and when they brought the bodies out of the alleged gunman one man said they wanted to burn them that it was not enough just to have them shown being dead and there s a lot of anger here but also a lot of fear. they ve spirited away the students remaining at the university shut up that university and sent them on busses frankly, for their safety to nairobi, and then beyond there. it s tragic to see this bright young kenyans, who having a future in this country, having their education dreams snuffed out, and many of the friends still missing or dead. poppy poppy? no question. thank you for the reporting this evening. more from david on the story throughout the evening here on cnn, but let s continue to discuss this with a former cia operative and intelligence and security analyst and author of perfect kill: 21 laws for assassins and former navy seal and fbi agent. thank you, gentlemen, for both being herement bob, beginning with you. this attack, when you talk about as david and i did, what the government can do outside of basically making schools, universities malls armed compounds compounds, what is the most effective way to stop this? well kenya s got multiple problems one, of course the same problems we have and that s protecting soft targets. how do you protect the big sprawling university or school or a mall? you know you can put more place,place police better reaction time but at the end of the day, you can t protect anything. they can always hit you somewhere. remember northern kenya, there s a muslim population which is you know is not shared in the wealth as the rest of kenya, and you got shabab and fundamentalists appealing to them to break away and which that s why they pulled out christian students as an ethnic cleansing. kenya needs to get its house in order as well as step up the antiterrorism campaign. at the end of the day, if you have an open sore like somalia, where you got the shabab armed and trained and getting combat experience you can never entirely protect yourself from attacks like these. what s your assessment of this? they have looked at al shabab as being weakened, try bing to compete with the likes of isis and aqap, for example, the attack 147 killed what s your assessment of the strength of the terrorist organization? the strength is the scariest thing seen so far with the terrorist organization since al qaeda. they have figured out the critical times and the critical areas of these soft targets, and, you know in syria, you have isis that s cutting the heads off a lot of people. here they are literally going to a mall they are going to a college campus. those are attacks that you could easily come over and do in the united states or anywhere on the globe and they threatened it. yes, in very effective numbers. also to you, bob, on that there s an interesting op-ed on chiropractic nn cnn saying attacks on the mall like the university shows actually that al shabab is weaker not stronger because they are not attacking military bases. do you agree with that? well peter s right. they at one time owned the capital of somalia and owned most of the country, and they were a nation if you like. they no longer are. the ke in, y they have been fought back with the african union, but on the other hand these people do not care if they lose they have are a guerrilla force and move if they have to and keep up the fight for enough years and win at the end of the day. like isis lost takrit they do not care as long as they expand in other places like damascus somalia, or the rest of it. i think, you know this war is not done. it s not done for shabab and killing the leadership with drones will disrupt them but it will not defeat them. yeah, as evident this week. thank you very much stand by, we ll talk about another chaotic situation next. the war in yemen that s completely torn that country apart, hundreds have died more than a thousand have been wounded, and can saudi arabia effectively lead this fight in a way that does not lead to more bloodshed for civilians? 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well we definitely lost the ground that we had, and i think overall, what you are seeing here is that we just don t have an effective strategic war plan for battling the fundamental mu haddism. it does not matter shia sunni, we don t have a plan for it. when you say, we, do you mean the united states or by our alis? this is a global fight now. there has to be a coalition yooipi mean denmark, canada, france, australia australia, everybody s been attacked now. yemen is important, but the strategic war plan does not exist. yemen is a tactical battleground syria is a tactical battleground and they hold high importance. why we have allowed this to slip away is just an example of how little of a war plan we have. so do you, bob to you, i mean we ve seen saudi arabia s now leading the coalition of nine middle east nations, right? there s arab power coming from saudi arabia uea, kuwait qatar, morocco, and sudan and egypt. do you agree we have have let this happen let yemen slip through the cracks? i mean, we this is a hideous diplomatic failure in the sense that we ve been unable to put together a coalition that involves turkey saudi arabia the gulf states and as much as i hate to say it iran. if everybody s supporting one of the groups and effectively, pushing for a greatup of countries like yemen, syria, and iraq we ll have more violence. i agree completely it s a totally failed strategy and remember the population of yemen is almost as big as saudi arabia s and if that country is a source of instability for saudi arabia we re in big trouble. you know whether at the end of the day we could have put a coalition together i don t know. it does not look like we tried hard. one of the important things in the fight, you know is from being a navy seal is intelligence gathering. sure. one of the questions that comes up is how effective and how strong can the intelligence gathering be without people on the ground really. right. as bob will tell you, until half of intelligence is not just our guys out there, it s recruiting the right sources to report back to you. now, that s something we have been doing for a long time in yemen yemen, and that s all we have going for is is that as we pull backwards, we have people that are in there that are locals that are sources, and they feed us information. that s the only thing saving us right now as far as giving us information what s going on. bob, look former president there, really the currently the president still, but who is no longer in the country, has been kous ousted by the rebels. you saw one taking a photo inside the presidential palace. what kind of government would be the best case scenario that s realistic right now in yemen if the rebels are to be defeated? any central government i mean as you talked about, poppy, you get vacuums as an open invitation for al qaeda toset up a state. they have not had one in the last decade and it looks like they are going to get one if they take over presidential palaces and part towns and the rest of it we face another islamic call fate in yemen, and without an army group, you know troops on the ground, that is what we re going to get, and i don t think the saudis have the army to occupy yemen, and they tried in the 60s and fail completely. i don t know who could do it but this is you know, the arabs are panicking about yemen like i ve never seen. they have reason to. it could be destabilizing. again, saudi arabia and other neighboring countries. thank you both good to have you on. appreciate it. next the crash of 9525 and a shepherd who witnessed it saying he ll have nightmares after witnessing the disaster. also, the families of the victims struggling with their emotions. an update after the break. bring us your baffling. bring us your audacious. we want your daydreams your ah-has, your easier-said-than-dones. we want your sticky notes, sketchbooks, and scribbles. let s pin em to the wall. kick em around. kick em around, see what happens. bring us your need-it-done-yesterdays. your impracticals, your how-do-we-do-thats, impossibles, your what-do-we-do-nows, downright inaccessibles. bring us those things you re not sure how to pull off - and you re even less sure who to ask. because we re in the pushing- what s-possible business. the how-do-i-get-this-startup- off-the-ground business. the taking-your-business- global-business. we re in the problem-solving business. more than 400,000 people around the world ready to help you solve problems while they re still called opportunities. from figuring it out to getting it done we re here to help. the second phase of the germanwings flight 9525 investigation is underway today. the last investigators today left the crash site. it s not clear if or when they return a private security company is there now to protect the site from intruders. it s been a trying time for everyone involved since the plane crashed two weeks ago. we have been covering the story from the beginning. he filed this report. reporter: this should have been the view from the window seat high in the sky. instead, it may have been their last look at life. translator: i saw the plane headed in the valley i said my god, it s going to hit the mountain. i ducked my head but it seemed to veer left and after that, i saw the smoke, he says. reporter: the people are weary of outsiders in the villages but slowly this shepherd tells me what s troubling him. translator: it s terrible you can t imagine that. one day it will haunt me give me nightmares he says. those first air images shows the flight went down less than a minute away in the inaccessible ravine. investigators warned us to stay away. reporter: before dawn we are going to a trail head. the aim is to try to hike into the crash site. i thought families deserved to see where their loved ones lay. there s frost this morning, and now the sun s coming down no sign of snow just yet. getting up here is hanging on to tree roots and grass. i can see why they have to fly anything out with that crash site by helicopter. few people live up here few sign posts point the way. it s taken hours to hike in but we found the spot. it s down there in that steep sided valley they are doing the saddest job of all. from my viewpoint above the crash site it seemed teams clinged on by their fingertips so steep the sides of that wind-blown gully, so lonely those travelers lying now in plastic shrouds. for more than a week rescuers refused to bound to nature risking their own lives, treating the dead like they were family. translator: i ve lost friends in mountain years in past. our code is to never leave anybody in the mountains, he says. at a simple memorial close by the living came to weep for their dead. the village mayor vows to cherish them and never forget. we have a duty to look after their memories. we must share the pain of the families he says. this young woman felt ready to share a few thoughts of her big brother. he was app iranian soccer journalist aboard the flight. he said to one of his friends that if someone kill in the flight crash, would be okay because it s for one minute and we re gone and you are in the sky where your soul will go and he spent eight minutes to fall down. the boss came to lay a wreath. there s not a single hour where we don t think about this terrible accident. reporter: he s admitted the co-pilot on the flight reported mental health issues back in 2009. can you tell us why you didn t stop a man with psychological issues flaying your plane? reporter: he was not giving answers, at least i hope he heard the question on everyone s lips. families may never really find out why, but just perhaps they can discover peace amid the mountain meadows and crystal streams. or draw solace from a sister who desperately misses her brother. everything s great for him, but for us we just we just can t calm ourselves down with this picture that he s now the king. reporter: there, up where her imagination flies, they are all kings of the alps. cnn, france. we ll remember all of them carl thank you for the report. up next talking about this could the parent company be held criminally liable for the crash? we ll discuss that next. also a horrifying story about a family on vacation in the virgin islands now fighting for their lives and concerns they may have been poisoned. if you want a paint with no harsh fumes. if you want a paint without harmful chemicals. if you want a paint that s safer for your family, and the environment. only this can. natura from benjamin moore. paint like no other. ride away (by roy orbison begins to play) i ride the highway. i m going my way. i leave a story untold. he just keeps sending more pictures. if you re a free-range chicken you roam free. it s what you do. if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance you switch to geico. it s what you do. two wheels a turnin . the garden is the story of our lives. told and retold. it s as old as our time on earth. and as new as tomorrow. you can have a yard. or slightly less. gardening isn t about where we choose to live. it s about how we choose to live. miracle-gro. life starts here. i just got charged for my credit score.again. you should check out credit karma.they re like free. yeah? 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i think it s a reach to say that they could have known he was going to commit a crime like this however, the fact he continued to increase speed definitely puts that in the fact he had intent, continuing to increase the speed, trying to get to the crash site. no question it was premeditated murder because he researched how to keep the captain out of the cockpit through the door. as far as liability, i ll leave it to the attorney to answer that question. referencing what was found in the home including he searched things like cockpit security, et cetera, and so to you, dineaniel, looking at lufthansa, how open they are to criminal liability here given a european government official said it s premeditated murder, given the fact they knew about his background coping with depression how open are they for criminal liability? well, they are certainly vulnerable to it and that s a history in europe of airlines being prosecuted criminally for negligent conduct of their employees. certainly, if you have a case like this where there s a deliberate act that arguably should have been flagged years ago, 2009 and the airline s on notice about it not taking precautions including background check, and monitoring of the pilot, and at the end of the day, does not put in a policy of having two people in the cockpit in order to prevent something like this from happening, then you can certainly look at the airline for the practices and procedures they put in place, and that could lead to criminal negligence and certainly prosecution in europe and civil liability in the u.s. david what should change? experts suggested there should be a third party intermediary there, between the company, employer and the airline, that communicates a big problem, a mental illness for example, that should prevent someone from flying. is a third party the answer here? i don t think so poppy. the third party s been tried before in the voluntary disclosure program. that information, supposed to be secret, has been released due to pressure from congress in certain cases, so it s just simply not a trusted third party that does not work. it s still in place. there s some success, but i think this is too personal of an issue to trust a third party with all your hipa information and psychological profiling. quickly, before you go daniel the advice to the families now trying to cope get through it they are not thinking of legal recourse, you know many of them coping with the loss of loved ones. what should they do now in terms of on the legal end? well, as you said first and foremost take care of themselves and their families and their mental well being as best they can given this terrible situation, but there will be a time and place when the families want answers and they want accountability, and it s been proven historically that in situations like this oftentimes that accountant and responsibility comes through the legal recourse that the families have both in europe and, i believe, they ll have some in the u.s. as well. and i believe they oftentimes only have about two years to file so they need to obviously, when they are ready, take that step. thank you very much daniel and david, i appreciate it. up next a disturbing story that s quickly developing. that s images of parents who were on vacation with their children at a luxury resort really in paradise in the virgin islands, but a toxic chemical could be to blame as what some are looking at as a potential poe sonning. more on that next. and clearer skin. this is my body of proof that i can fight psoriatic arthritis from the inside out. with humira. humira works by targeting and helping to block a specific source of inflammation that contributes to both joint and skin symptoms. it s proven to help relieve pain, stop further joint damage and clear skin in many adults. doctors have been prescribing humira for nearly 10 years. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers including lymphoma have happened, as have blood, liver and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions and new or worsening heart failure. before treatment, get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you ve been to areas where certain fungal infections are common, and if you ve had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don t start humira if you have an infection. visit humira.com and talk to your rheumatologist. humira. this is a body of proof! it was supposed to be a dream vacation, but instead, it s left a delaware family fighting for their lives. their week long stay in a luxury resort in the islands was cut short after finding the father in a coma and mother and two sons having seizures. they suspect an extremely toxic pesticide may be to blame. we are following the story from new york. i know you spoke with the family s attorney and have an update on the condition. how are they doing? reporter: that s right. i spoke to the family s attorney a while ago, and he said thankfully the parents are doing a little bit better. the father has come out of a coma. the mother was released from the hospital put into physical therapy, but the two teenage boys, one is shaun, just 16 years old, and ryan, who is 14 they are still in critical condition and in a coma in a children s hospital in philadelphia. their attorney told me, they are in rough shape. the family was air lifted back here after falling ill after a fumigation of a villa beneath the one where they were staying at this resort in st. john in the u.s. virgin islands. the epa says that traces of methal bromide, not allowed to be used inside the u.s. because of toxicity was used inside the family s villa. the family s attorney said it was akin to serin gas, that s how toxic it can be. why was it used here if it s banned in the united states? reporter: that s what they are looking at. the e pa say it is restricted and you don t smell it because causes injury to the lung and nervous system. as you said it can be fatal in inhaled. this is very, very scary, poppy. the older boy had blood in his lungs, heart was failing, and one of the boys has brain damage and the father, who is now awareke cannot talk yet, and the mother in occupational therapy. the resort owned by sea glass vacations, said the pest control company that did this fumigation was ternminx. and they were there before the family arrived. if the resort is liable here what are we looking at in terms of you know consequences? reporter: i think the investigators are looking at the resort the lawyers said they are looking at the company that provided this it s called metho gas, the gas that was used looking at all of that and the department of justice was called by the epa. they now opened a criminal investigation. the epa is there monitoring the air and environmental samples working with local agencies to figure out what happened to make sure that other people are not in harm s way. term next told cnn in an e-mail they are, quote, looking in the matter internally cooperating with the attorney and wishing the family a speedy recovery. a spokeswoman for the epa said they are actively working to determine how this happened and they ll make sure steps are taken to prevent this from happening to others at this vacation apartment resort and elsewhere, poppy. absolutely. a horrifying story. keep us posted how the family is doing, especially with how serious it seems the injuries are already. thank you so much. appreciate it. up next big news, as you know all week the state moving this week to change a controversial law about religious freedom. the billionaire ceo of a tech company was one of the first to warn indiana about the consequences of the law. my interview with him next. first, let s meet this week s cnn hero who helped students choose guitars over guns. as a kid, i struggled a lot with self-esteem, bullying and that desire to fit in. when i found trombone the music became the place i could do that. as a professional musician the disappearance of music in schools concerns me because i would be lost without music. guitar over guns will be meeting today. please be on time and ready to rock. our program offers free after school programming to at-risk middle schoolers. music is the most important tools we have in reaching these kids. guys finish up with the grades and go to the instruments. in the classroom, we split the program up in 30-minute chunks a mentoring exercise instrument instruction, and ensemble experience. our mentoring are professional musicians. we build relationships. how is everything? 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(vo) subaru has the highest resale value of any brand. .according to kelley blue book .and mitch. love. it s what makes a subaru a subaru. indiana s decision to amend its so-called religious freedom law can be traced in large part to a lot of pressure from big businesses in the state and across the country. especially salesforce.com the biggest tech employer in the state of indiana. the company s ceo was among the first to come out loudly criticizing the new law before the governor even signed it. then on the eve of lawmakers changing the law this week i spoke to him about what drove him to fight so hard against it. we have a place now honestly people want to move out of the state of indiana, moving those employees out. there are customers of ours i heard from all over the world, 90% of the people that i heard of have been incredibly positive towards the actions that we have taken and want the law to change. i would say 10% of the people that i heard from are upset we d actually rebuff the governor and i can understand that because he is a great guy, very likable, but in this case the governor made a huge mistake, a huge mistake for himself and state of indiana, and that must change. you said you re actually moving people out of the state of indiana right now? we are. i just got an e-mail on the way here to the studio from another employee who said look i don t feel comfortable living in the state anymore. you got to move me out. i gave them a $50,000 relocation package and said great, clear to go. i ve done that several times, and, you know my job is the ceo and be an advocate for employees and for my customers. you have called this the beginning of rolling you re the ceo of a huge tech company. what do economic sanctions look like in dollar signs? you see it from sales forces perspectives where we have stopped investment in indiana. you see it from but i m talking about how many millions billions what are we looking at across the board? you re already seeing tens of millions and about to move into hundreds of millions. do you believe we re seeing a fundamental shift in the willingness of corporate executives businesses to come out and talk about incredibly controversial issues and take a stand one way or the other on them them? i certainly hope so. i believe that the most important thing in business is stake holders, not shareholders. in this case the reason we re doing this is because we re focused on our stake holders. those employees and customers traveling to the state of indiana. why do you think it is right now, if this is indeed a change, why do you think it s now? i ll tell you why that is. we have a lot of dysfunction in our government right now. . everyone knows that, you can see it in washington. everyone is frustrated. we have been working like heck to get this recovery going from 2008. a lot of us are stick and tired when politicians come in and slow down what can be a great country that we have here in the united states. i am not a republican or a democrat. i m an american. all i want is to live in a great nation which i do and i want as part of that nation to have a quality for all and that s especially important for our customers and employees. what do you say to those like ted cruz, senator ted cruz, who said indiana is giving voice to millions of courageous conservatives across this country who are deeply concerned about the ongoing attacks upon our personal liberties. what do you say to him? that s his pint on this. ted cruz is a great guy, but he s not running a company. and ted cruz is not responsible for growing his revenue and ted cruz is not responsible for thousands of employees and customers. all i m trying to do is do what s right for my employees and customers and support them and grow our revenues and profits. the damage the reputational damage in just a week has been extraordinary. well after indiana s governor signed a change to the law on thursday, he sent this tweet. the new indiana legislation is an important first step. the damage has been fixed and the door is open to the future. that said his company sales force says they are still willing to relocate employees if they feel uncomfortable under this few law. up next the final four in high gear in indianapolis kicking off tonight at 6:00 eastern. we ll take you there live up next. all week there has been a lot of talk about what is happening in the state of indiana where the final four is being played tonight. cnn s rachel nichols is in indianapolis. you sat down with all of the the coaches for the four teams in sort of the full-time hoo ra and you talked about this controversial religious freedom restoration act. what did they say about it and whether they felt like they should be weighing in on the daeblt, whether they talked to lawmakers, et cetera? yeah well it s very interesting because the headquarters are here in indianapolis. by the way, also they bring these events like the final four here quite often. these four days expected to do a half a ball dollars worth of business to the local community here so that is a big economic foot to be able to put down. it speaks to the power of sports and how much we as americans invest in sports how important it is to us that we throw so much money into it. when the ncaa and the four schools involved wanted to make a statement, they didn t just say something, the head of the ncaa met with the governor met with lawmakers here and told them they would not be comfortable continuing to do business in this environment if there was not some sort of amendment to the law that offered some protection to the lgbt community. it was interesting to see them get involved at such a level. when i sat down with coach k. from duke he talked about how powerful sports can be in these situations. how have you seen the power of sports effect social change in these moments? i think our sport has done the most over the years, especially as far as race relations. we are playing in shorts are you white, are you african-american are you asian, who are are you? and all of a sudden, you re working together sweating together hugging together loving talking, fighting in other words, you see people oh that works, it works. it was interesting people on both sides saying that coaches and athletes should be commenting and some say shouldn t be commenting. coaches are educators but certainly at the college level they are teaching 18 19 20-year-olds how to be citizens in the world and you want them to be involved in the communities that they are in, that they are playing in. it s a great lesson to lead by example. have an opinion, be involved. i m thrilled when athletes and coaches take a stand on these issue issues. it s a great example for people who look up to them saying this is your world, get involved one way or another. we thought from ceos across the board and we saw it from sports teams, rachel have fun at the games tonight. thank you so much. remind reminder for our viewers tonight s games tbs at 6:00 p.m. eastern. michigan state taking on duke airing on tbs. tonight after that wisconsin will try to ruin kentucky s perfect record at 8:30 p.m. captions by vitac www.vitac.com here in the cnn newsroom joining you at 4:00 eastern and we begin in iraq and the strategically key city of tikrit. isis had control until just a few days ago. what happened after that, though, iraqi officials say was completely out of control. iraqi troops and military forces that liberated that city apparently nearly burn. ed it down. fires, lootings, lynchings and senseless violence. remember these iraqi forces have the support of the united states and if what iraqi officials is saying is true, these are the same groups that triggered the violence chaos. arwa damon is hearing how much damage these liberators have done in saddam hussein s hometown. a senior official in tikrit said hours after the city was liberated it was, quote, out of control. he confirmed that at least 20 homes were set on fire and around 50 shops were looted and destroyed saying that iraq s security apparatus was unable to stop trucks from flee inging the scene. mostly to blame were the mobilization units, the fighting force that is largely made up of militias and volunteers and also said a few members of iraq s security forces were complicit in the destruction and looting of various buildings. there has been a very close look being taken at what kind of human rights violations are happening in tikrit. when we were up there as well we did witness a group of men from the mobilization units as well as some police officers dancing with the severed head of an alleged isis fighter. the fighter had been detained cuffed shot in the head and later decapitated. on friday iraq s prime minister did issue a directive to all security forces to detain anyone who had been causing damage destruction, looting, or any sort of human rights violation. a spokesman for the mobilization units did say that they would be withdrawing from the city. these various reports of all sorts of violations, potentially tarnishing what up until now had been touted as a victory against isis. arwa damon, cnn, baghdad. thank you very much for that. a former navy seal is joining us and former counterterrorism official. thank you both for being here. it s disturbing what arwa just reported. you look at this as a victory and then look what happens within days. phil this was a chance for iraq s security forces to claim a major victory over isis and. it looks like that has been dashed. does this surprise you? let s book end this. 15 years ago you have a sunni dictator that is saddam hussein who controls a country that is roughly two-thirds shia. now you have shia leadership going against isis which is a sunni organization and taking back the city of tikrit. what did the sunni citizens of that city thinking? they are concerned that the shia leadership in baghdad is going to crush the sunni minority after all those years of saddam hussein. what we saw is evidence of that. the concern here is that we will end up in a country that is iraq that is divided between sunni and shia and will end up in a civil war that s a religious war. phil. you have iraq s prime minister saying, look, this shouldn t take place ordering them to capture anyone that s been engaging in this. how realistic is this on the ground? he s backed by iran. a shia country interested in having an ally that is iraq that governs by shia principles. i think what s going on here is that the leadership of iraq is concerned that there will be viewed by the international community as a country that s rea reasserting a shia control over the entire country even while thigh want american support. we all know what the end game is and that is that there will be shia leadership in baghdad that will suppress sunnis. that s the end game here. the prime minister of iraq telling an interviewer that look they cannot succeed if isis keeps getting all of these foreigners coming in to help them. foreigners from the west europe other middle eastern countries. now you re hearing it from the top leader in iraq. again, we don t have a strategic battle plan for countering the recruitment process. just here in the united states we have females now that are trying to carry out efforts here in the united states. we also have people that are from all over the place, france all different ages trying to go over there and fight, so i agree there needs to be at the same time we have a strategic battle plan to actually fight in these different tactical areas like syria, tikrit or yemen, there needs to be in this technically advanced world, we need to start look ing looking at how they are spreading. it s like a heartbeat. it goes out and comes back. when you look at tikrit and how key that is does it make sense to send some of the u.s. advisory positions that are on the ground now, the military advisers on the ground in iraq into. a city like tikrit to stabilize what s clearly a division within iraq s own forces? i have been one of those advisers before in the war on drugs and when you ask me a question i m going to give you an honest answer. you can t send an adviser in because it s not going to help the liberators came in and they looted. you need a force that s going to start fighting these, a coalition force with a strong leader and that s the problem. phil is this an example of what you think could happen more if we see sort of iraqi force victory against isis with and around iraq and how do they keep the support from the u.s.? i think this is away you re going to see happen in a country that s divided in three parts. they have the kurds up north. you have a shia majority that s taken over because of elections in baghdad. and you have a sunni minority in cities like tikrit saying we re worry ed worried when the shia come in they look like the government, but they are shia and are going to suppress us. what we re seeing is a slow deg degree dags of iraq. the kurds up north, the sunnis in the northwest and shia down south. the country is slowly degrading, and i think the influence the iranians will accelerate that because iran s interests are pretty clear. iran is a shia country that want s to see a majority in baghdad to assume power and control power. that s we ll see happen in the future. phil thank you very much. good to be with both of you. we re going to turn to the situation in yemen and the alarming number of civilians being killed in. these clashes. more than 500 civilians in just the past two weeks. today at the u.n. russia calling on the u.n. security council to push for a pause in the saudi-led airstrikes against the rebels on the ground. our senior correspondent richard roth has more on how to get humanitarian aid in and foreign diplomats out. reporter: the u.n. security council heard the deputy ambassador present a draft resolution calling for some type of humanitarian halt in the fighting on the ground in yemen. hundreds have been killed and thousands wounded. the saudi arabian ambassador said everybody agrees that there s a need to get. assistance on to the ground but it s how you achieve that that s the question. the desire to provide assistance to those who need it is is something we share. the mechanism is something that will have to be discussed. western countries and jordan indicated they were not happy that the russian proposal also didn t put the blame where it belongs, in their opinion, on those who have ignored previous resolutions. we got to this position because they violated cease-fires, took military action took action by force instead of engaging in a genuine way in political talks. the only way out is through a return to genuine political talks on an equal basis and not using force. it was the first formal meet meeting of the security council since saudi arabia intervened militarily. it doesn t appear this will be the last session. . richard roth thank you. now to kenya where al shabaab is promising they will attack again and kill more innocent people. the country still reeling from the deadliest terror attack since 1998. gunmen now identified stormed the college campus without warning killing 147 people most of them students most of them christians. they were separated from muslims, who were spared. a 19-year-old student told cnn how she hid in a cup board and heard the attackers footsteps and gunfire just inches away. and i decided to go to the wardrobe. in the wardrobe we have these small rooms. and then i covered myself with the cloths. then these people enter the room and then they told my other roommates who were hidden to come out. when they were outside now, they told if you don t know how to read to them in the muslim word whatever you lie down and then if you know you go to the other side. kenya s president went on national television today and promised to fight this terror group al shabaab and anyone who support supports it, finances it or recruits for it. consider this, would isis ever think about a military truce? there are new signs the terror group may be open to exactly that. what would it look like and could it mean isis is in trouble, weaker, that s next. live a full life. the lexus ct hybrid with an epa estimated 42 mpg. the further you go the more interesting it gets. this is the pursuit of perfection. if you want a paint that s more than just easy to scrub. if you want a paint that actually repels dirt and grime. if you want a paint that stand s up to life s wear and tear. only this can. regal select from benjamin moore. paint like no other. i ve just arrived in atlanta and i can t wait to start telling people how switching to geico could save them hundreds of dollars on car insurance. but first, my luggage. ahh, there it is. uh, excuse me sir? i think you ve got the wrong bag. sorry, they all look alike, you know? no worries. well, car s here, i can t save people money chatting at the baggage claim all day. geico®. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. their swift and are dramatic takeover in northwest iraq. when you look at it the group has taunted the world with its gruesome videos showing western hostages. is it possible after all its military success, isis is ready for a military truce. . let s bring in. the man who wrote the article, contributor to the daily beast and phil mud former counterterrorism official. isis wants a truce is your headline here. basically you write that the british hostage, who has been held for quite a long time now and has sort of become the face of propaganda for isis, wrote this in an english language magazine and repeatedly calls for a truce. when they start beheading western troops then every option is going to be on the table, and fast. a truce will be one of those options. that s according to someone who has been being held by isis. do you believe that this is legitimate and also why do you think they are using this british hostage to get this message out? they have been using john in all kinds of ways es. personally under duress and anything he writes and video he s fronting is clearly being designed and crafted by the isis leadership. i think, i m not in charge of our headline writers, but they are clearly floating a truce idea. he mentions it four times that they have been using him as a mouthpiece to provide some kind of counternarrative. what they are doing here is carrying on taunting the west and trying to play to western war wariness and suggest the fact that the end to all of this is going to be failure as iraq was before and they are going to have to negotiate with us. and this is all part of a narrative that is john is used to push out under duress to try to legitimize the atlantic state. but i think there is something here. it s kind of intriguing that he mentions it four times. it s the basis of his latest article. there s a foreshadowing about three issues ago in this magazine where he mentions negotiations and what s also very interesting is underneath this article there is an editor s note saying look we can t have a full-time, permanent truce with the infa dell because our default position is we have to fight them but we can t have a tem temporary one. and there is the idea of a temporary truce to rearm yourself or to rejig your positions. it s very intriguing. phil, i m interested in how you read this and if you see this at all as a sign that isis is weakening. no i see it quite the opposite. this is a sign of strength. we view isis as a terrorist organization. isis views itself as a state. who conducts negotiations about truces? that s a state to state conversation. you remember the beheading video videos of last fall. isis is talking in those videos to the president of the united states. they believe they are having a conversation with the world leader. i don t think this is an indication of weakness. i think this is a way for them to say we re not a terrorist group, we re an organization that was ordain eded by god to control territory. we provide governance of that territory. we provide services to people and we can conduct state to state conversations with the foreign government including the united states. i don t think this is weakness. i think this is them saying we re on the world stage and we re not going anywhere. i think he s right, it s a sign of confidence. in your article, you point out in the propaganda piece that western leaders have accepted that isis is a bone if ied state, that isis has its own police force, functioning schools and court system and a currency. do you belief thatve that isis is holding on to jan kant lee after murdering, executing so many other hostages because this is a western voice for them to get their message out and they see that as incredibly valuable? i think that s right, they have been using him a lot. he s written quite a lot of articles. we have maneuvered into a position of appearing to be some kind of objective observer when clearly he s under duress and doing anything to save his life as he should be in these circumstances. there s an element to him there s a great deal of anger in him as well. it s about what s going on with him. a few weeks ago it was mentioned when e he attacks the west not negotiating for his release, he believes that. but this is a very complex thing happening with him, but in terms of them they see him of value and as long as they continue to see him of value he will live. in terms of the legitimacy question there are signs that they are meant to be providing social services and have a supposed currency but there are sign signs they are having problems in some of the other territory they control. they seem to be running out of money a bit. the efforts is having some effect in terms of oil, which they sell in turkey and other neighboring countries, as are the airstrikes. but they are still very strong. they have had some successes in syria, even though they are being pushed back in iraq. but also losing to tikrit this at the same time. there s a lot of claims and counterclaims here but it looks like 30% of tikrit may still be under control of the militants. what hasn t helped has been the shia militia behavior on friday which is going to undermine efforts to get sunni tribesmen to pull away from the islamic state. that s really bad news from friday. it s a fascinating piece. isis wants a truce. thank you for talking about it. we appreciate it. coming up after a quick break, the nuclear deal with iran only works if everyone follows the rules, follows the guidelines. can we trust iran? not everyone is sure at all, that s next. fpz . coming up at 5:00 eastern, we re going to have my interview with warren buffett talking about the u.s. economy, income inequality and who he wants for the next president. before that, the framework for a nuclear deal with iran. president obama and members of his administration are calling on lawmakers and foreign leaders to make the sell. but there s another big looming factor here iran s supreme leader, who has promoted hostility towards the united states. our chief correspondent jim sciutto looks all the whether the united states can really trust iran. reporter: sellcelebrations on the street es of iran overnight. the foreign minister welcomed home as a hero but behind the smiles another iran defines america as the great satan and death to america chants. this is the iran of supreme leader and the feared revolutionary guards. many critics worry cannot be trusted to hold up iran s side of the bargain. the military here has a lot to say about this. not necessarily the iranian negotiators, they don t have the power. the military have the power. reporter: u.s. ally israel is certain they cannot be trusted. israel will not accept an agreement, which allows a country that vows to annihilate us to develop nuclear weapons, period. reporter: the fact is the supreme leader faces sharp division at home. between hard liners loathed to trust the west and average iranians eager to ease their country s economic pain and isolation. the supreme leader is in a difficult dilemma right now because his hardline base has long opposed any accommodation with the united states and at the same time there s tens of millions who are euphoric about the processspect of sanctions relief and international integration. it s going to be difficult for him to disappoint so many iranian who is are eager to see this it deal happen. reporter: trust between the skpus iran is already being tested in the views of what the two sides actually agreed to in switzerland. on economic sanctions, for instance iran says there will be immediate relief. the u.s. says it will be phase ed in over time. and while the diplomats smile, three americans remain in iranian prison cells. a former marine a christian pastor and washington post reporter all jailed on what the u.s. considers baseless charges. one has been held for 1,300 days. calling on iran to release my brother and the other americans openly when they are sitting face to face at this negotiating table to me seems like we re past that point. iran needs to take steps to prove their commitment. we re familiar with israeli opposition but. arab allies share many of the same concerns sparking fears of a nuclear arms race in the region. the president called many of them on friday speaking to leaders of bahrain and qatar. he s also inviting them to the white house to calm fears. jim sciutto thank you. even though the u.s. likely cannot convince israel that this is a good deal it can assure them that the security of israel is a top u.s. concern. prime minister benjamin netanyahu is still not convinced. what will you do to try to convince him? i think that we re not going to convince prime minister benjamin netanyahu. he has disagreed with this approach since before the joint plan of action the first agreement reach eded with iran. what we will say to the prime minister as we re saying to our gulf partners too, we re making a nuclear deal here. it s the right thing to do. it s the best way to prevent iron from getting a nuclear weapon for the longest period of time. at the same time, though, we re not at all lessening our concern about iran s destabilizing action actions in the region. its support for terrorism, we can have a dialogue with them about what else can we be doing to reassure our commitment to your security to counter those and while we may have a nuclear deal, we re going to be very vigilant in confronting other actions in the region that concern us. much more of that interview with ben rhodes tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. and 1:00 p.m. eastern. also tomorrow morning, 9:00 a.m. and. noon israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu joins cnn to talk about why he s so opposed to this deal. that s here on cnn tomorrow morning. coming up next for the families of the victims from the germanwings crash, the past weeks have been unbearable. details leaking out that have been heartbreaking. how are they holding up? a live report from europe, next. police investigators wrapped up their work at the crash site of germanwings flight 9525. a security firm will protect the area for now. this as investigators sift through new information that they have received from the flight data recorder that was found on thursday. the biggest revelation so far is the co-pilot increased the speed, accelerated the speed several times after set ingting the plane on a crash course. joining me is karl who has been following this story from the beginning. we talk so much about why could this have happened what motivated andreas lubitz, but the most important thing is the victims and the families and how they are doing. how are they doing? you re absolutely right, poppy. that has been the feature of this tragedy. there s been so many twists and turns, revelations, but the bottom line is that 150 life stories came to an end the moment that that plane crashed into that wind blown gully. right now, still some of the friends and relatives are staying at a hotel a couple blocks away from us here in marseille. they are still waiting, getting help from psychologists. they are getting briefings on the investigation, both on the accident investigation and the criminal investigation. i was talking to one of the families and i can tell you they are not doing very well. that could be expected but one man they spoke to lost his brother. he says he gets up in the mornings he s overwhelmed by this tremendous sadness and as the day goes on he e gets filled with rage. when i first approached him, i apologized for invading his privacy and he said u to me don t worry, it s not you invading my privacy. it s lufthansa, germanwings invading my privacy. i never wanted to know those names. they didn t need to be in my life but now my brother is death, they will always be part of my life. it s not good enough that people here are talking about compensation and the legal suits. he said in his view that somebody allowed andreas lubitz to fly that plane, even though it handed in a note in 2009 says he was suffering from mental issues. he said this young man said to me, what i want to see is luf than sa and germanwings executives behind bars in jail for putting andreas lubitz in that cockpit. and karl what are these family members telling you about how they want their loved ones honored and remembered? reporter: well there is talk of course of putting a memorial stone closer to the crash site. now that rescue teams managed to drive a dirt path right up to the ravine where the plane crashed perhaps we re going to see that in the next few weeks as the ban on access to that site is lifted. the other thing, of course, in the short-term that the families will get maybe a little comfort from in the course of this week is that the identification process of the remains is going to start and that again, news that we didn t really expect because some had been predicting that the remains of the passengers would never be found but a prosecutor said that 150 separate sets of remains have been found. that essentially means that every body on that plane will be identified and they will be able to be laid to rest. so these are, of course small comforts but they have to take what they can get. karl thank you very much for keeping us focused on the most important thing, the victims. next we re going to continue on this story. we are going to talk about that second black box that was found amid-all of the debris late this week. we have already learned the co-pilot s state of mind, but what else could we learn from that data, that s next. s of things. but what if that thing is a few hundred thousand doses of flu vaccine. that need to be kept at 41 degrees. while being shipped to a country where it s 90 degrees. in the shade. sound hard? 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(announcer) the subaru xv crosstrek. symmetrical all-wheel drive plus 34 mpg. love. it s what makes a subaru a subaru. we have been looking at the latest in the investigation in. the germanwings crash. we heard about the families and the the dna testing being done to identify the victims of flight 9525. let s dig a little deeper into what we have learned and what is still to be discovered from the second black box that was found this week. joining me is contributing editor to flying magazine and a captain. also in denver david susi a form former safety inspector and author of flight 370. thank you for being here. david, when we talk about this first testing of the dna from 150 people on board, how does the process of identifying them work and then returning any remains they possibly can any jewelry, anything personal to the family members? it s really a gruesome task, to be honest with you, and to be able to identify and separate each of the remains and try to put as many as they can together, part of the process is identifying where the remains were found, location of where the parts were, i hate to say it that way but that s how it happens. then at that point, they are gathered together and placed respectfully into these cassetteketcaskets, if you will and sent back to their families. when it comes to the flight data recorder, the second of the so-called black boxes that was just recovered on thursday, it s not the audio from the cockpit it s a lot of other information. what are the most important things investigators are going to try to glean from that? well, i can only guess, and dave can back me up on this also, i think with reference to the cockpit door they may be listening to whether that deactivation switch was utilized or perhaps the cockpit door, the manual aspect of the door was utilized through the cockpit voice recorder. there is a possibility with the research that was done that we know of through the prosecutor s office that he was looking in the cockpit door basic u mechanics of it nobody really knows for sure at this point, but if he attempted to pull circuit breakers to disable the arming aspect of the cockpit door that may be able to be determined by the flight data recorder in addition to the fact we re talking about speed that he accelerated, but this is the vertical speed he accelerated in a descent toward the terrain. david, here s the thing. no matter what information you find it doesn t bring these lives back. it doesn t bring back the lives of 149 people who were murdered here. when you look at why they want all this information, they want to know what happened, but ultimately how does that factor into who might be charged? well where it comes down is the intent of that pilot and what he did to try to prevent something from happening. one of the reasons we look at these things is to see if it can be improved or stopped from happening before. from a liability perspective, it s something they are trying to prove they knew this potential existed yet did nothing about it. that s where the liability comes into play. so part of this idea is did he push down the switch did he not, it will tell us what didn t happen as much as it will tell us what did. if there was no attempt from him to try to recover from this downward movement which apparently he did nothing but try to accelerate it so that does prove his intent the second part of this is then the liability part in which they are trying to find evidence that they knew of something. and what the airline knew about his mental state years before. as a 777 pilot, is there anything that other carriers can learn from what investigators have uncovered so far? absolutely, i mean, unfortunately, now we have the public doubting our basic mental health but i think what we can do is we can go back and look at our own screening process for pilots. my particular airline is in the process of hiring pilots. we can go through and see if we can revise some aspects of the physical exam still keep it a self-disclose situation, but going through the whole process of e evaluation as it stands now, but let s reenforce and reenforce some of the avenues that are available for professional pilots to get help if indeed they need that kind of assistance. absolutely thank you very much we appreciate it. coming up next we ll switch gears in a big way and talk about the box office where the new fast and fur yoes movie, this is a $2 billion movie franchise. the latest installment number 7 in the series bigger than ever. we ll look at the key to this incredible success story for this franchise. also how it has been impacted by the death of its young star. live a full life. the lexus ct hybrid with an epa estimated 42 mpg. the further you go the more interesting it gets. this is the pursuit of perfection. this is my body of proof. proof of less joint pain. and clearer skin. this is my body of proof that i can fight psoriatic arthritis from the inside out. with humira. humira works by targeting and helping to block a specific source of inflammation that contributes to both joint and skin symptoms. it s proven to help relieve pain, stop further joint damage and clear skin in many adults. doctors have been prescribing humira for nearly 10 years. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers including lymphoma have happened, as have blood, liver and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions and new or worsening heart failure. before treatment, get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you ve been to areas where certain fungal infections are common, and if you ve had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don t start humira if you have an infection. visit humira.com and talk to your rheumatologist. humira. this is a body of proof! big day? 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(laugh) nice. doing the big things that move an economy. see you tomorrow, mac. see you tomorrow, sam. just another day at norfolk southern. have you seen it yet? fast & furious, i haven t seen it, just came out, but apparently a lot of you have because look at the numbers. they are pretty astonishing. fast & furious making its way to be the best ever april opening with analysts predicting it will pull in $150 million this weekend alone. the success is bittersweet, of course with fans also remembering the film s late star paul walker. dude, i almost had you. before the release of the first fast & furious. you hear about e egos and people that are difficult to work with but everyone in this, we got along really well. . reporter: now mention walker to his co-stars emotions flow. he was the best guy to be around in the world. he s very missed. reporter: walker died in. late 2013 riding in a porsche that wrecked in california. a me. moirl sprung up 5,000 fans paid respects. he was a very genuine person with a big heart. reporter: no doubt walker connected with his fans so much because e he seemed anti-hollywood, no entourage or publicity stunts. he founded a charity to help people affected by natural disasters. anonymously buying this $9,000 wedding ring for a newlywed soldier who could not afford it. a decade and three children later, the couple told cnn it was a fairy tale he was our fairy godfather. how do you take walker and finish fast & furious, roughly 85% of walker s parts were finished when he died. the director said he used walker s brothers to fill the gap gaps. they were basically act out the scenes, they would play out the scenes how paul would have done it in the film. so they have dialogue? there s also an homage to walker in the movie, but perhaps there can be no greater tribute to a friend than naming a child in their honor. paul walker lives on in vin diesel s new baby. paul is the one to cut the umbilical cord. as i was doing that i couldn t stop thinking about paul and his advice and when it came down to write down the name paulline just came out. joining me to talk about this is brian filter. i haven t seen it. i actually haven t seen any of them but i m clearly in the minority here. why does this franchise do so well? i haven t seen the new one, but i ve seen some of the older ones. it does go to show that even though krit cannics might not love sequels, movie-goers do. this is the most successful of all the films. they have made $2 billion over time. but for this one, the estimates keep going up. analysts were saying it might make $115 million this weekend and now today they are saying $150 million. the studio is being careful. $149.5. they don t want to go and say $150 but it s going to be the biggest april movie ever. i think we have a graph of opening weekends. you can see them here fast & furious in 2009 and 2011 but none of them can compare to this this. we see $99 million, had this movie is going to go way past that. and that goes to show in some ways the summer movie season is starting earlier than ever. it s starting with a bang. paul walker in this film. if there s an eighth one, he won t be in that one. can this series go on without him? it definitely will because it s been so successful. they have shown an ability to recreate this franchise with new cast members. it s remarkable that even though it s a blockbuster movie, it s getting great reviews. we should go. see it. can we go. together? i m back tomorrow. i m free tomorrow night. thank you so much. switching gears to an important story now getting more attention like it deserves. california s drought, a natural disaster so severe it could change the way of life for every man, woman and child in this country. that s what is facing california right now. a drought so terrible it is transforming the state. great rates for great rides. geico motorcycle see how much you could save. when it comes to good nutrition.i m no expert. that would be my daughter hi dad. she s a dietitian. and back when i wasn t eating right, she got me drinking boost. it s got a great taste and it helps give me the nutrition i was missing. helping me stay more like me. 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reporter:. her well went dry and her taps did too. did you ever actually cry because of what was going on? i have cried myself to sleep a lot of times and i have lost weight. reporter: in east porterville, dry wells have left about 5,000 people without running water in their homes. how long have you not had running water in the house? it s been a year and one month. reporter: one of her children is being bullied over it. my daughter she came from school and said mom, i m sick and tired. they say i don t got no water, i didn t shower and this and that that i stink. reporter: nothing is spared. at one of the largest reservoirs the dry rings reveal where the water level was just a few years ago. the water is receding so quickly gps is having trouble keeping up. according to this we should be submerged in deep water right now. the water crisis impacting everything from people to the produce and nuts the world has come to rely on. if the drought does its works, it could turn the part of america referred to as the world s salad bowl into a sand pit. cnn, california. 5:00 eastern, you re in the cnn newsroom i m poppy harlow. we are watching the movement aftermath and advances made by terrorists is and extremist groups in three parts of the world all made more unstable this weekend by more violence in syria where a group linked to al qaeda is closing in on the capitol of damascus in iraq where isis was pushed only to have lynchings fall in behind them. and in east africa where the extremist group al shabaab murdered 147 people on a university campus this week. some of the attackers were killed by police, but the group is promising to continue more attacks within kenya. we re going to take you live to kenya and we want to warn you this r report may be very difficult for many. of you to watch. kenyan kenyans watching today in horror and then on thursday in horror as al shabaab militants stormed a christian prayer service. by the time they were stopped, they had killed 147 people most of them singled out for being christian. they also wounded over 100. david mackenzie joins me live. when you saw what happened today, another horrifying display playing out on the streets. reporter: that s right, poppy, very disturbing streets today. the government deciding that it wants to show that these gunmen placing them in the back of a pickup truck. it was hideous. the stench was overwhelming and driving them through town and displaying them in front of the town people. so certainly they want to show that they mean business with the fight against al shabaab. the president has said they are going to do everything they can to strike back but al shabaab says it will bathe the cities in blood. when it comes to what the government can do because the president of kenya speaking out and saying this is a crisis for our nation we will do everything we can to fight this radicalization, this recruitment. what can they do outside of putting many more police forces security measures at their universities and malls. what else can they do? reporter: there have been complaints they should have expected this kind of attack. there were murmurs that even the university might be targeted. so the first point is yes, to protect students but it s very hard to protect soft targets like this. you can t protect every place where people gather and work and study across the country. and there have been complaints from the kenyans themselves that they don t have enough support for the intelligence services security forces or even enough coordination. the u.s. military and. special operations forces have been involved in this fight particularly in covert drone strikes taking top leadership of al shabaab in somalia. this is a group that is a lot less powerful than it was some years ago when it held a great deal of territory, but now being coroner coronered in some way it s more dangerous, more radical and more likely to strike like this at soft targets like these unfortunate students. many of them e evacuated those who survived today to safety. david mackenzie, thank you for that report. the prime minister in iraq making a very grim prediction, saying if isis continues to recruit fighters from all over the world then no army in the middle east will be able to stop or even contain them. on that subject, a new security council report is out on the startling rise of foreign fighters who have joined isis. take a look at these numbers. they are around 22,000 in syria and iraq alone. add to that 6500 in afghanistan and hundreds in yemen and somalia. s that 71% increase in just about a year s time u. this report also warning of the risks of these diverse foreign fighters linking up through social network, social media to exchange ideas, plan future attacks, let s talk about it with fbi agent jonathan gill yan. this was an incredibly important report out of the united nations looking at just how dire the situation is and who robust the recruitment of isis has been. i want to read this quote from the u.n. report. it says, quote, those who eat together and bond together can bomb together. we have heard a lot about the recruitment efforts many of them which have been stopped here in the united states but when you look at those numbers, why do you think clearly the fight against the recruitment has been so ineffective. it s a good question. i think we were talking about this earlier that the overall war plan is ineffective because it was not well thought out. here s an important part about this is that in kenya there was less than a dozen people that went in and attacked and killed 150. you re talking 22,000 people that have been recruited. we have to take this more seriously. i think to answer your question it just needs to be taken more seriously. i think that a lot of cultures that are western newsed and modernized in the world are not taking this seriously enough and this is going to unfurl on everybody if we don t get ahead of it. this is a u.n. report. being a former navy seal having been on the ground how do they make these assessments and know it is these numbers, this many thousand? i m sure that they have ways of estimate. this is all estimate they are always an estimate. i think when we look at the reality of this it s better to look at the numbers, to look at the overall movement. the fact that it s been globally attacks in every hemisphere that s where we need to start looking. and a coalition is not just a group that goes into a country and fights. a coalition is a like-minded group that has the same war plan. it should include the internet and recruiting. what about the recruitment that has clearly worked within our borders? look what happened in new york this week. two women in brooklyn and queens arrested clearly inspired by isis. they were caught because of undercover informants. so islam is a closed society. they do invite people in to follow their faith, but overall a mosque, you re not going to walk into. a mosque. i don t know if that s fair to generalize all mosques. i have plenty of muslim friends that would tell you it s not an open society in the way they are advertise inging and broadcasting their daily lives. so the point is that they are the best to police themselves pause we can t put you can t put police departments as we have seen in nypd and fbi, we started pulling our surveillance units out of there for political reasons. the mosques themselves can start policing what s going on. if they have people starting to be radicalized, they are the ones who are going to be what do you mean that the fbi has been pulling out? different surveillance units, like you take the intelligence unit in nypd. they are a part of the jttf. the relationship that you have with local police departments when they have a surveillance unit that works inside these mosques and then they are pulled out, that s a huge loss of human intelligence. so when they pull out, that creates a vacuum or a void where we can t see. the islamic community has to then step in and actually police themselves and watch if they don t want to have law enforcement in there, they need to start stepping up to the plate. we know a lot of good leaders have been doing that. there s another troubling part that says an unintended consequence of e defeating isis in syria and iraq would be the dispersal of foreign fighters across the globe. . this sort of if you defeat isis, what comes next? could the next be worse? that s why you don t need to concentrate on isis you need to concentrate on a global movement. you need to differentiate what s happening happening. tikrit is the sunni/shia you re seeing a civil war in this one town. yemen is similar, but you also have very dangerous groups trying to take ahold of yemen to further their movement. globally we have this movement this fundamental movement and so we need to look at each one of these separately and here at home the muslim community needs to start participating and police ing policing. if they see something in boston, the mosque where the boston bombers were at that was not the first time that that mosque was brought up into something. they denied that it knew of anything. those people existed in this mosque. this recruitment problem is an issue. there are a lot of muz.slims trying to fight this. thank you so much. we ll keep the conversation beginning. coming up next disturbing story, a family poisoned on vacation at a luxury resort in. the virgin islands. a toxic chemical could be to blame. one that is banned in the united states. so if it was used, how could that happen? 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or do you believe the u.s. gave up too much? it could be a very good deal for the united states. we have to withhold final judgment until we see the details. also in the larger parts of the agreement and there are many pieces of this agreement that have not been resolved. let s start with the basics. if we were to get an agreement and if it were to work as advertised it would be a major step forward. instead of having an iran which is very close to be able to develop a nuclear weapon or breakout time is thought to be two to three months, if this deal were to work as advertised it would extend that time to a a year year. . that would give the international community and israel more time to respond and be tough on iran. so if it were as advertised the real issue here is we don t know if it s going to work. we don t know a lot of the details. there are a lot of things that are not left there. the thing we don t know is how tough will verification be? we do know you can t trust the iranians. they signed something similar to this and within a short period of time we re in violation of it. that s what led to a lot of this crisis. now they are going to sign protocol promising that unless we have tough verification, and that doesn t mean once a month, it means any time anywhere. this is something the president has been working on since 2008. clearly important to him. that said a lot of people have been raising their hands and saying what about the three americans, let s pull them up on the screen three americans being held in iran. should the u.s. have used this as a time to try to leverage everything it could to bring them home or do they have that power now? in the next three months, i do believe the united states ought to press and i m glad to see you raising the issue because it s too easy to forget these people have been there some since 2011. yes, what s important is not just listen to american officials, but to listen and to watch what the iranians do. if they were to release those three, it would be a gesture of relief. what are they going to do about their sponsorship of terrorism? are they going to continue to try to take over a a large chunk of iran to promote terrorism? if that s the case we made a deal with the devil. we have to be very tough on it. . it s also what they say about this deal. they are making the deal sound different from what the united states government has said is in the deal, or in the framework. we need to follow that. the press has a responsibility to tell us what s going on in iran as well as what s going on in the united states and see how they match up about what each government is telling its people. david, thank you. we ll take a quick break. . it s a political drama that seems ripped from a house of cards episode. robert menendez accused of trading favors for lavish perks close to a million dollars. we ll talk about it, next. you can call me shallow. but, i have a wandering eye. i mean, come on. national gives me the control to choose any car in the aisle i want. i could choose you. or i could choose her if i like her more. and i do. oh, the silent treatment. real mature. so you wanna get out of here? 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they release this and say he s alive u and well. why come out with that now? it s like sightings of elvis. i think it s a valuable thing to show the people a sense of continuity that castro a great hero to many cubans remains alive. but the larger issue is not being resolved by him. i think what s strikeing is how many people in this country and in cuba are starting to raise questions about how much respect is cuba going to have for human rights and for a democratic freedom as the opening comes with the united states. that s going. to be an important indicator of whether this has been a step forward or a step back ward for the cuban people. david gergen good to have you on thank you, we appreciate it. thank you. o now our one-on-one with billionaire businessman warren buffett. the ceo, the world s third richest man, giving us his views on the economy and who he is betting on for 2016. we re seeing some recent cracks in the u.s. economy. retail and auto sales down forecasts for first quarter earnings looking lower than has been expected to fall for the first time since 2012. is this a blip or is this the beginning of a bigger shift? i don t see any real weakness in the economy. home building has been slow and continues to be slow but the economy has been improving since the fall of 2009. it and. it continues to improve. i don t see it. i have seen the february figures for our companies and there s parts that are stronger than others but that s been the case. we have been an upward course and people talk about double dips and acceleration. in the end it just keeps moving ahead. i think it s quite a tribute to our policymakers all the way back to the fall of 2008 that we have recovered like we have from what was an incredible panic. fed chair janet yellen said if underlying conditions had returned to normal the economy should be bog. where s the risk? i don t think there s a particular risk in the economy over time. we ll have recessions from time to time. we had a real doozy in the fall of 2008 and early 2009. that has had more consequences than other recessions have had post world war ii but the american economy is a wonderful machine. it really works. it s worked since 1776 and will continue to work. we will continue to have ups and downs. for some americans, they listen to that and say it s not working for me. they see stagnant wage growth and they feel like it s getting increasingly hard to get by year by year. so who is winning? the extreme rich are clearly win winning. if you look at the forbes 400,an agate net worth, 25 times as much. the very rich have done exceptionally well in this economy. other people have done okay but it s certainly the super rich. you can just look at that figure from $92 billion to $2.3 trillion. but when it comes to wages, we have seen walmart, for example, and other companies raising what they will pay their entry level workers up to $10 by 2016. last year when i asked you if the federal minimum wage should be raised from $7.25 an hour you say that s the toughest question because i have been thinking about it for 50 years and i don t know the answer. your reason for that is because you don t know if more people will be better off because you lose some employment. i d like to see everybody make $20 an hour, but if you increase to $20 an hour, you d have millions of people unemploy unemployed. i don t know how to kl brat it e precisely. i personally believe the earned income tax credit is a better way of handling the problem of people who are really not paying enough to live decently. the earned income tax credit bted for $56 billion in o 2013. i would expand that and do it smarter. but that s more effective in helping the people who are at the lower end than a change in the minimum wage. why should people care about income inequality. we live in a country that is the richest in the world. a miracle in many ways. . real gdp is six times what it was when i was born but all kinds of people are left behind. there are some structural reasons for that and i think a rich family takes care of the people that aren t born with a particular wiring that enables them to prosper mightily in a market economy. there s lots of people that they fight in afghanistan, through no fault of their own, their skills are not skills that the market values highly. i think a very rich society can figure out ways to have those people do better than they are doing. what happens to this country if the gap isn t narrowed between the rich and the poor? what happens? i would like to say something will happen politically, but it s gone on now for quite awhile for several decades. we had had occupy wall street but so far there hasn t been that much of a political reaction. you would hope it would happen through the ballot box, but with citizens united and other decisions that enable the rich to contribute really unlimited amounts, that tilts the balance even more toward the ultrarich. so the ballot box is the ultimate answer for changes in policy but the unlimited giving to parties and candidates really pushes us more toward they say it s free speech but somebody can speak 20 or 30 million times and my cleaning lady can t speak at all. hillary clinton, you have been a staunch supporter of hillary clinton. i still am. you have told me multiple times you want her to be the next president. i hope so. of the united states. she s faced some head winds particularly over her e e-mails. has it changed your view at all? no, no, i d like to see her e-mails too, but there s a cure yos ty factor. but what i care about is what she believes in and her ability to get what she believes in turned into law. do you think she s going to be the next president? i think so. you have told me before that you don t like super pacs. it s a good one because i did not know it was a super pac. . they had a maximum, which was $25,000. i think u of super pacs with hundreds of thousands or millions. i didn t know it was a a super pac. i m not for super pacs, but it s absolutely true that i contributed $25,000, which i later found out was a super pac. but it s an indication of how much you are a supporter of her. but i would not write a huge check. i would go out and raise money for her. i would be delighted to do that. i would hope to do it. i did some of that in 2008. but. i just don t believe that the election should be decided by the super rich. what does money in politics do to this democracy? what does it do if everyone in your income bracket wrote big checks? a lot of people in congress would be listening to them. you can t blame anybody. if you pour your heart and soul into running an election and your opponent is out spending i think it s counter to our ideas of democracy to allow unlimited campaign contributions. part two of my interview with warren buffett, right after the break. 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are we living 1999 all over again? the nasdaq is near that 5,000 level. that s a a different composition now. apple deserves it. they are a very different company. they were eyeballs then and they are profits now. i can t speak to any given industry that well, but i do not regard us as bubble territory. i don t find cheap stocks either. very few. nothing right now. want to talk about greece. do you think we ll see a greek. exit from the eurozone? i don t know whether we ll see it i have no notion on that. i do know that the euro has had certain what i would call structural weaknesses. it doesn t mean they can t be corrected. we have amended our constitution many times, but putting together a group of countries with significantly different fiscal policies labor laws cultures and then trying to tie them all to a single currency can present strains down the road. as we re seeing. as we re seeing. they either have to learn to harmonize or be forced to harmonize some other important economic characteristics or they can t all stay on a common currency. you can t have one thing that moves in lock step and everything scattered. when you say harmonize, do you think it is realistic even if there are structural changes say in greece that we will see greece and germany singing together? that seems farfetched but whether it will be greece or not, i don t know. but i do think that the countries have to operate on reasonably harmonious arrangements and fiscal policy and labor laws. we could not hook up with venezuela and have a common currency but we could hook up with canada to have a common currency. do you think a greek exit may be better in the long run? it s hard to tell. . if it leads to a sounder basis for the resolving euro it could estions from our viewers on social media. in your opinion, what is the best thing that can be done to reduce poverty on a global scale? well, at the gates foundation foundation we think that health is probably the number-one thing. i mean if you aren t healthy and you don t have access to vaccines and other aids to better health you really don t have anything going for you. and so i think that if you talk about global i think that development and distribution of vaccines you know, we re trying to wipe out polio now or whatever it may be you want a healthier world first. is there one thing you think, one piece of technology you think is making and will make the biggest change? melinda gates, for example told me it was smartphone, for example, completely changing the game. i don t know if on that front. you know, if you re trying to live on a dollar a day or two dollars a day and you have two acres of land to support your family i m not sure what a smartphone is necessarily going to do for you. i think my son works on increasing agricultural productivity around the world. that could be a tremendous help to people. i mean they ve got small amounts of land and you can make it for productive they ll live better. nothing there is going to be accomplished overnight or in a year or five years or you ve pledged almost all of your wealth to philanthropy. right 99%. a lot of other billionaires have joined in that with you. a lot. what global issues can be solved through philanthropy? not just relying on, you know, the marketplace or capital ism. what issues can we solve through philanthropy? we won t save anything in the ultimate we re never going to get 7 billion people have them all educated or as healthy as we d like but things can be done in a major way in terms of health and family planning in terms of education. you try to figure out if you really believe that every life is of equal value, everything in life is of equal value, that means a different thing in some impoverished nation than it means in the united states. and you simply try to improve the lot of humans wherever they may be. they re just like your own children. is the american dream still alive and well? well it is alive and well but it isn t for a good many people. is it hard for you to see that? in your lifetime you ve seen stage where is it was very much more alive and well for more people. well it s been it s been alive and well for a lot of people but there are people that aren t the american dream is based in part on a market system. and the rule of law, equality of opportunity and all of that. but a market system is going to leave lot of people behind and then that s where government comes in why we put in social security and things of that sort. the american dream in the sense that anybody can become move um into some top economic class or become president of the united states what it may be that is a dream. the social mobility has always been relatively good in this country compared to the rest of the world. but there are limitations to the american dream. i mean if someone is born with subnormal intelligence they can have some dreams but they re not going to move into the top economic class in all probability. unless they happen to be the child of some super rich person. so we will see who the next president will be if it will be hillary clinton as you d like to see or someone else. whoever the next president of the united states is what is the one thing that they and congress can do to make sure that that american dream is a little bit more alive for more people? 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or has he already hurt the gop? i m wolf blitzer. you re in the situation room. there are major new concerns tonight about a possible threat to the u.s. homeland. in a chilling online message, a group claiming links to isis post the names and addresses of dozens of u.s. military service members and calls for attacks on them in their homes. service members are now being warned to scrub personal information from their social media accounts. and a nation that had been a key u.s. ally in fighting terror is now sliding into chaos. the united states and britain have evacuated the last of their troops from yemen. isis is gaining a strong foothold and the local al qaeda affiliate which is already plotting attacks on the u.s. homeland may soon be free to launch those attacks. marie harf is with us along with our correspondents analysts and guests. they are all standing by with full coverage of tonight s stories. let s begin with our justice correspondent pamela brown. tonight, sources say this latest attempt to target u.s. military members is an escalation of the threat that we haven t seen before. tonight we are learning some of the service members in the list may have been cherry picked because of their involvement with the u.s. air campaign in syria and iraq. among the personal information posted on the hit list pictures home addresses and phone numbers of commanders captains and major generals. in total, about 100 members of the u.s. military many of those singled out are pilots including this man, seen holding his baby. the list was posted by a group calling itself the islamic state hacking division and tonight, that group is calling on isis sympathizers to quote, kill the service members in their own land behead them in their own homes, stab them to death as they walk their streets thinking they are safe. it could very easily become something that really matters from a personal security standpoint and could deeply affect the security of all of these personnel. reporter: law enforcement officials say a few of the individuals in the group are isis affiliates and have been on the fbi s radar for awhile. but it s still unclear if isis leadership ordered this list. law enforcement sources tell cnn there is real concern a lone wolf sympathetic to isis will target the service members. there is no way that all of these people could receive a personal security detail. they have to do things like ensure the security of their own homes, perhaps in some extreme cases they may consider moving out of the home that is listed as their address. reporter: the pentagon tells cnn all the service members on the list are being notified though there is no evidence of an imminent threat of an attack. the pentagon is asking all service members to continue to clear their social media profiles of any personal or identifiable information. in this case officials say the group behind the threat compiled this list of addresses and names through publicly available information online social media and the white pages. we are also following a very disturbing report that 11 medical students including one american is suspected of traveling to syria to work in isis-controlled hospitals. what are you learning? that s right. in fact authorities in the u.s. are still investigating whether the american is in this group of medical students really from all around the world who may have traveled to syria to work in isis controlled hospitals according to a turkish lawmaker who spoke to cnn. in a joint statement, the students and doctors families said their children are humanitarians who went to turkey to offer medical help to refugees but have since disappeared. officials say eight of the group are medical students who have just graduated and three others are in their final year of medical school. they have been studying in sudan and the lawmaker from turkey says the group includes people from great britain, canada sudan and turkey. as i said we are still trying to figure out if an american is part of that group. a law enforcement official i spoke with today said there has been this pattern for years of health care professionals being lured to fight with terrorist groups overseas and at least two americans are believed to have gone to syria to fight have been doctors. we know isis has been making a concerted effort to recruit people of all different skill sets to run their caliphate including doctors to work in the hospitals there. very disturbing development. pamela thank you. just days after twin massacres in yemen s capital, isis is now posting pictures of the attackers. the last american and british troops have pulled out. as the country descends into utter chaos, there are growing concerns that terror groups will have a free rein to plot and execute attacks aimed at the outside world including right here in the united states. let s go to our pentagon correspondent, barbara starr. yemen is unraveling very very quickly. the u.s. is now less capable than ever to deal with that. what are you hearing? what s the latest? reporter: well wolf the u.n. envoy dealing with this entire situation today said that yemen is on the brink of civil war. if you look at that video, the latest pictures out of southern yemen, it sure appears to be it is already there as all of these factions begin to fight against each other. now, in the latest the pentagon secretly over the weekend ordered 100 u.s. commandos out of yemen. they were conducting counter terrorism operations against al qaeda in yemen. that was their target. that is the most dangerous al qaeda affiliate. they have the master bomb maker, they have vowed to attack the united states but now u.s. and the last of the british troops gone from yemen so the u.s. flying blind if you will. no boots on the ground no ability to collect intelligence on the ground. stle to they have to rely on drone attacks or eavesdropping on cell phone conversations, really limited intelligence now about what is going on on the ground. al qaeda in yemen still a tough target but as you see this violence literally unravel the country, as you say, they are also looking very closely at the houthi rebels at isis being involved in yemen as all of these groups compete for power. the big worry is al qaeda will take advantage, recruiting more getting more financing, plotting against the united states. wolf? yes. it s becoming a real failed state with these iranian- backed shiite houthis in charge aqap and now isis all of a sudden is in the mix. what do we know about the isis part of this? reporter: well you will recall that isis in yemen has now taken responsibility or claim of responsibility for those terrible attacks last week at two mosques in the capital that killed and injured hundreds of yemenis at prayer. the people there are the ones literally caught in the cross-hairs of all of this. so the question is who is isis in yemen. there is a sense among some that we talked to that these are al qaeda type people that were already in yemen that have essentially rebranded themselves. we have seen it in a lot of countries in libya, in egypt, in tunisia. some of the militant groups already existing now calling themselves isis they get more money, more recruits more world attention. they know that. it doesn t lessen their deadliness at all and it does not lessen the concern about the network there that is now evolving inside yemen of these isis operatives whoever they may really be. wolf? what really seems to be missing is any remnant of the former yemeni government which was a key u.s. ally in this war against al qaeda. barbara, thanks very much. a deadline is looming for an agreement aimed at keeping iran from developing a nuclear weapon but even as the talks continue iran s supreme leader is declaring death to america. that s raising fresh doubts about whether a deal can be reached or can be relied upon. let s go to our senior white house correspondent, jim acosta for the very latest. jim? reporter: almost one week away from the deadline for a nuclear deal with iran the obama administration is indicating an agreement is still possible despite big concerns from all sides and some tough talk coming out of tehran. there are doubts all around a u.s. nuclear deal with iran starting with that country s supreme leader who must sign off on any agreement. at a speech over the weekend, in front of a crowd chanting death to america iran s ayatollah khomeini agreed condemning economic sanctions on his people. yes, death to america, khomeini told the audience because america is the original source of this pressure. all the more reason the white house says, to strike a deal. reporter: do those comments give this white house any pause about moving forward with a nuclear deal with that country? jim, i can tell you that i think those kinds of comments only underscore why it is so critically important that the united states and the international community succeed in preventing iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. and the best way for us to prevent iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon is sitting down at the negotiating table. reporter: there are also skeptics if both parties on capitol hill where 367 law makers signed a letter to the president saying congress must be convinced that the deal s terms foreclose any pathway the a bomb and only then will congress be able to consider permanent sanctions relief. how many of you believe the iranians in the past have been trying to build a nuclear bomb not a peaceful power program? okay. so we start with the proposition they re liars. reporter: cia director john brennan argued the pressure is on iran saying he is confident the u.s. intelligence community will have a good understanding of their nuclear activity. so if they decide to go down that route, they know they will do so at their peril. reporter: the white house chief of staff promised a jewish american group the administration won t accept a bad deal. any deal would last for more than a decade setting back iran s program for far longer. reporter: that is the president cautioned, if a breakthrough can be reached. frankly, they have not yet made the kind of concessions that i think will be needed for a final deal to get done. but they have moved and so there s a possibility. reporter: as for the ayatollah s death to america comments administration officials are suggesting those kinds of remarks are aimed at an iranian domestic political audience. what matters, officials caution, what is they agree bargaining table. joining us to talk about this and more marie harf. thanks very much for getting in. i want to get to all these issues but let s get back to that supposed isis threat to these 100 members of the u.s. military that they are now on a hit list. they are encouraging their supporters lone wolves or whatever here in the united states or if they are based overseas to go out and attack them not only attack them but kill them and behead them. family members are terrified, obviously. is the u.s. providing these 100 family members with some extra security right now? i know the department of defense obviously is taking the lead on this. they have reached out to all of these service members that are named and they are working with them if they need anything. i know they are very focused on this right now. i think there is still a lot of questions about this. this is clearly a propaganda effort by someone, whether they are actually affiliated with isil or not, but clearly what they want is attention, they want to draw potential lone wolf attention to this. it is certainly something we take seriously. they not only published their names, their addresses, their pictures what they do and they said you know what the best thing to their supporters in the united states is if you could come over here to iraq and syria and fight with isis but if you can t, go out, find these 100 individuals and kill them. that s pretty terrifying. absolutely. it s something i know the defense department and the whole government takes very very seriously. obviously we are focused on this getting to the bottom of this and providing any safety and security that these folks might need. as of this point you don t know for sure whether this is really isis they said it was an isis hacking department whatever they called it or just some other person pretending to be isis. you re still investigating that is that right? we are. i think the defense department has said there s not evidence there was a data breach even though they call themselves a hacking group. we think they found information online and pieced it together. but there are a lot of these groups that have popped up. even in places like yemen, as barbara starr just reported we don t know if they are operationally linked to isil. they claim this name probably to get more attention, more followers, but we just don t know if there s an operational link. is there an american citizen part of these 11 medical students who apparently have left their university gone to turkey crossed into syria and are now trying to help isis at their medical facilities? is there a u.s. citizen part of that group? we are still trying to determine whether those reports are true. we have seen them but we can t verify them yet at this point. i know there s a number of names floating around out there. we trying to verify that right now. we can t yet. what about 11 medical students? have you verified what this turkish lawmaker has said there are now 11 medical students some of them just finished medical school and they are now working for isis inside syria? we have seen the reports. i don t think we have any reason to doubt them. we have seen westerners certainly go fight with isis. that s been something we have seen. we don t have a reason to believe this isn t true but we can t at this point confirm there is an american. i want you to stand by. we have a lot to talk about including what s going on in yemen right now. the u.s. not only abandoned the u.s. embassy in sanaa, yemen a few weeks ago, now all u.s. military personnel have been evacuated. much more on what s going on in this key country that s fighting al qaeda, supposedly, when we come back. toenail fungus? don t hide it. tackle it with fda-approved jublia! jublia is a prescription medicine proven to treat toenail fungus. use jublia as instructed by your doctor. once applied jublia gets to the site of infection by going under, around and through the nail. most common side effects include ingrown toenail, application-site redness itching, swelling, burning or stinging, blisters, and pain. tackle it! ask your doctor now if jublia is right for you. there s nothing more romantic than a spontaneous moment. so why pause to take a pill? 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absolutely. i think there are two separate issues. when it comes to the counter terrorism fight against aqap we still have resources in the region that are able to take the fight to aqap. so we have not suspended our counter terrorism operation just because of the political instability or because we have had to pull people out. obviously our preference is always to have people on the ground but we are still able to conduct counter terrorism operations. but you don t have a local government which was friendly to the united states yemeni government which was helping provide information so that you could send in drones with predator hellfire missiles or whatever and kill people. there are a variety of ways to get information when you are looking for terrorists certainly. some of them are technical things you can do even if you don t have people on the ground. we are very focused on the threat. obviously it s a huge threat. i would note that the houthis who are the ones that are fighting the government don t really like aqap either. so there are a lot of complicated dynamics on the ground here. is iran emerging as the big winner in yemen? they are backing the shiite houthi rebels. we certainly know they have supplied the houthis with money or weapons. they have been very supportive of them. i don t think we have seen a lot of examples of operational command and control of iran to the houthis but obviously we are worried about it. one of the reasons we are working to get a nuclear deal is because iran is so destabilizing in the region whether it s lebanon, yemen, syria. that s something we have been concerned about for a long time. if you get a nuclear deal are you suggesting they will stop their efforts to destabilize iraq or syria or yemen? they will just go back to iran? no, not at all. if you can imagine how destabilizing they are now, if they were able to get a nuclear weapon they would be able to project even more power in the region and obviously that s why one of the reasons we are working to prevent that. the grand ayatollah khomeini once again today is declaring death to america. this is the guy in charge. he has to approve a deal. now he s telling a crowd over there death to america. a lot of people are suggesting members of congress and others how can you even negotiate with an ayatollah who declares as much as he wants to death to america? we have heard this kind of rhetoric for a long time. this certainly isn t new. we are focused on what s happening in the negotiating room. we are closer today than we were a week ago or a month ago to getting an agreement with iran that will be based on verifiable concrete steps they have to take to show the world they cannot get a nuclear weapon. none of this is based on words or based on trust. it s based on action. that s what we re focused on. the words have no meaning when he says death to america, you don t take that seriously? not that they have no meaning. it s incredibly offensive to all of us here. we have seen this kind of rhetoric before. when it comes to what s happening in the negotiating room we are focused on seeing if we can get an agreement that cuts off their ways to a weapon gets them to a year of breakout precisely because they have been so threatening to their neighbors, so destabilizing in the region. in the house of representatives, 367 democrats and republicans have now written a letter released to the president of the united states warning specifically you guys better be really really sure that this is a good deal because they want involvement in part of it and are pretty skeptical if you read this letter that you can really make a deal with the iranians. if we can get to an agreement, i want to be very clear about this it will be one that we can publicly defend that scientists and experts and technical people that have worked so hard on it at the department of energy and elsewhere can stand up to the world and say this meets our bottom line this meets our red lines. we will not accept a deal that doesn t. we will make that case and congress will have a role to play as part of this. that s what we have always said. but we need to get to an agreement first and we need the space to do that. are you ready to commit to congress before you go to the u.n. security council that you will give an up or down vote to congress to approve it? well there s a couple different things there. we don t believe congress should take an up or down vote just a blank up or down vote on the deal. but congress will have a key implementation role to play and that in order to eventually lift all the sanctions, the relief iran really wants, congress will have to vote on that. obviously what we have always said is that won t come right away. i think this is something congress would agree with. we want to make sure iran is upholding its end of the bargain, is living by its commitments. before they vote to take sanctions off. you will go to the united nations before you go to congress? we have no idea what the timing will be but in terms of the united nations here this is a p5 plus 1 negotiation so at some point it is common sense that the p5 the security council would have to sort of bless the deal for lack of a more technical term. congress will have an absolutely key role to play here. they are the ones who can lift sanctions in the end and we will have to go to them and they will judge whether iran has implemented or not. a loss of members of congress are concerned if you pass it first before you go to congress then they are bound by treaty obligations to implement it. not at all. if you voted for a u.n. security council resolution approving it together with the other permanent members, then later congress said no it s too late that s why they want you to go to congress before you go to the u.n. security council. you understand their concern? it s just not an accurate one. the u.n. security council cannot vote to lift u.s. sanctions. the u.n. security council can address u.n. they can approve the deal. no this isn t a treaty as we talked about. they can vote in general to say this is a deal that is important, to say they believe in what it represents. this is a p5 plus 1 negotiating process. the u.n. security council cannot take the vital step of lifting u.s. sanctions. only the u.s. congress can do that. they will have that vote if we can get to a deal. one final question. the hillary clinton e-mails, state department has them. she submitted them. she is asking you go ahead, release them. when do you think they will be released? we are working right now on the first 300 related to benghazi that already got sent to the select committee. we are going through those to release those first. the 55,000 pages will probably take several months. when do you think those 300 will be released? i don t have anything to predict on that. hopefully soon but obviously, there are a lot of factors that go into it. we are committed to doing that. thank you for joining us. coming up a bar owner says a university student did not appear intoxicated when his i.d. was rejected. he seemed cordal and respectful. what led to a bloody arrest? 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let s discuss what s going on. joining us our cnn intelligence and security analyst, bob baer a former cia operative. also our cnn terrorism analyst paul cruickshank, our counter terrorism analyst phil mudd former cia counter terrorism official and former democratic congressman jane harmon who served on the intelligence committee for a long time. she is president and ceo of the wilson center. how big of a blow is it to the u.s. now in fighting al qaeda, these other terror groups that u.s. special operations forces have been forced to evacuate from yemen? this is pretty significant. you ve got to think of operations in two terms. first, we can collect intelligence the united states remotely run drones take out the leadership of these organizations. what you want to do is when you re running these operations you want to keep the group out of a comfort zone. the only way you can do that is ground operations. running with special forces providing intelligence to yemeni services. now we have half that picture or less standoff drones. we don t have the other half to keep the group sort of out of a comfort zone. that s a real blow. paul cruickshank, aqap they are based in yemen. they have a master bomb maker. they will have a lot greater opportunities now to plot attacks against the united states aren t they? that s absolutely right, wolf. not only him, but a whole team of bomb makers. they are trying to make increasingly sophisticated devices, a new generation of underwear devices, new generation of shoe devices and the group has more resources than perhaps any time before because they are getting a recruitment rise they are expanding into new parts of yemen. with this competition with isis the onus is on aqap now to carry out an act of international terrorism against u.s. aviation to shore up their support base so i think they will put even more resources than before into trying to blow an american airliner out of the sky. as you know jane last september, not that long ago, last september, president obama was touting yemen, somalia as success stories in the war against terror saying what the u.s. is doing is pushing in the right direction. now the u.s. has been forced to shut down the embassies in both somalia and yemen, and pull out. was he getting bad intelligence was this an intelligence blunder by the u.s. intelligence community, by his national security advisors were they just feeding him wishful thinking? what was going on? i think we really believed that if we could broker and we did the transition of power in yemen from the leader who was widely despised to his deputy who was then elected, we would accomplish something significant and yemen did have substantial political capacity. i remember being there as a member of the house intelligence committee meeting with a number of political parties that were well organized, our groups that build political capacity were in the country and we really thought this would hold. lesson to everybody, this is a very fragile situation all over the middle east and if yemen can fall apart and now be in a proxy war with as you were just saying with these very dangerous folks on the ground who are trying to make bombs that could well get on airplanes this could happen anywhere. yemen is becoming another syria where the u.s. four years ago was forced to get out. somalia is for all practical purposes a failed state. libya is a failed state. the u.s. embassy has been shut down there. american diplomats have been forced to evacuate. bob baer, you worked at the cia. you remember a little bit more than a year ago the president was also claiming isis was the jayvee squad, saying you could give the jayvee squad a lakers jersey they are not going to be kobe bryant when all is said and done. was he getting bad intelligence then as well about isis? was this a total surprise or was this once again a blunder by his national security team? well let s be fair. it was a blunder by all of us. i don t recall anybody two years ago predicting that there this was january of last year. it s a little more than a year ago. yeah but even before that before june before they moved into mosul, nobody predicted this. nobody saw it. the iraqis didn t see it on the ground. we the west are out of touch with this discontent in the middle east, this disease that s moving through faster than anybody s predicted. so yes, we can blame the intelligence community but we also have to blame everybody else all the other experts including myself. i certainly didn t predict it. so we just cannot tell where this is all going to go. yemen, by the way, is an absolute disaster because in the arab peninsula, south of saudi arabia. if that chaos moves into saudi arabia we will be in a lot of trouble economically. a quarter of the world s oil reserves are there. i m not saying it s going to. but again, who can predict it. phil mudd it sort of reminds me on a different scale intelligence blunders when the bush administration said saddam hussein had stockpiles of weapons of mass destruction. analysts are struggling with speed. when i watched terrorists in the 90s, today that game has changed. that s one of the reasons we miss it. we have never seen anything like this. some have suggested the president needs a new national security team. this current one is not good enough. well the problems are hard for anybody. iran has made the houthis as effective as they are. saudi arabia could well move in on the other side and we will have a full-blown proxy war. i don t think that was predictable a year or two ago. we will leave it there. much more coming up. coming up a very different story we are following. the breaking news in the case of a university of virginia student whose bloody arrest brought accusations of excessive force. we are learning now how he intends to plead and what the witnesses are now saying. the promise of the cloud is that every organization has unlimited access to information, no matter where they are. the microsoft cloud gives our team the power to instantly deliver critical information to people, whenever they need it. here at accuweather we get up to 10 billion data requests every day. the cloud allows us to scale up so we can handle that volume. we can help keep people safe and to us that feels really good. vo: 85 percent of people who travel will go someplace they ve already been. where s the fun in that? 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yeah that s what i m saying. have them closer not 100 yards away but at the checkpoint so that if somebody coming in there with one of the 2,000 guns that were presented last year at checkpoints, if somebody is that close with a weapon to the tsa officers you have a police officer at least close by to be able to take that on. they would be under whose jurisdiction? some have their own police. they are qualified police officers. some don t. the smaller or medium-size airports have like in this case the county sheriff had police at the airport. whichever jurisdiction whether local police agency or the airport police. but they are qualified police officers. tom fuentes, thanks very much. good advice. a key anti-terror ally slides into chaos. the u.s. and britain pull their last troops out. will yemen be a new safe haven for al qaeda and isis. a pro-isis group posts photos and addresses of u.s. troops and calls on supporters to find the u.s. military personnel and kill them. before i had the shooting, burning, pins-and-needles of diabetic nerve pain, these feet grew up in a family of boys. married my high school sweetheart. and pursued a degree in education. but i couldn t bear my diabetic nerve pain any longer. so i talked to my doctor and she prescribed lyrica. nerve damage from diabetes causes diabetic nerve pain. lyrica is fda-approved to treat this pain. lyrica may cause serious allergic reactions or suicidal thoughts or actions. tell your doctor right away if you have these, new, or worsening depression or unusual changes in mood or behavior. or swelling, trouble breathing rash, hives, blisters, muscle pain with fever, tired feeling, or blurry vision. common side effects are dizziness, sleepiness, weight gain and swelling of hands, legs and feet. don t drink alcohol while taking lyrica. don t drive or use machinery until you know how lyrica affects you. those who have had a drug or alcohol problem may be more likely to misuse lyrica. now i have less diabetic nerve pain. and i love helping first graders put their best foot forward. ask your doctor about lyrica. you re driving along, having a perfectly nice day, when out of nowhere a pick-up truck slams into your brand new car. one second it wasn t there and the next second. boom! you ve had your first accident. now you have to make your first claim. so you talk to your insurance company and. boom! you re blindsided for a second time. they won t give you enough money to replace your brand new car. don t those people know you re already shaken up? 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we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and arounded edthe world. i m wolf blitzer. you are in the situation room. breaking now, the obama white house is warning about a very dangerous situation on the front lines against terror that s more dangerous now that the last u.s. and british troops have been forced to eevacuateevacuate. we re monitoring yemen. terror groups are thriving on the chaos and plotting new attacks days after isis claimed responsibility for deadly bombings in yemen s capital. peter king is standing by. he is a leading member of the homeland security and intelligence committees. our correspondents and analysts are covering all the news breaking right now. first let s go to barbara starr for the very latest. barbara? reporter: wolf u.s. and british commanders secretly ordered out of yemen over the weekend, now another country where the u.s. is gone and has no influence. yemen now on the brink of civil war. amid the rising unrest the united nations warning the worst may be to come as groups vie for power. unless a solution can be found in the coming days the country will slide into further violent conflict. reporter: a u.s. official tells cnn, al qaeda fighters which have vowed to attack the u.s. are now moving quickly to increase recruiting and continue plotting attacks. the u.s. just became essentially blind on the ground. more than 100 u.s. military commandos like these who had been tracking al qaeda, known as aqap secretly ordered out of the country by the pentagon over the weekend. this special operations forces were evacuated by military aircraft and transported across the gulf. fighter jets patrolled overhead while emergency response helicopters were stationed nearby. one of the organizations that has been most interested and capable of conducting strikes in the u.s. homeland al qaeda in the arabian peninsula, has increased its control of territory. reporter: the remaining u.s. tools, drone strikes and monitoring cell phones and social media. it s true that that coordination would be more effective if there were u.s. personnel in the country. reporter: the number one u.s. target? al qaeda s master bomb maker. he knows how to make bombs with difficult to detect explosives a major threat to aviation. he was tied to the so-called under wear bomb attack in 2009. the newest threat? the isis branch in yemen which claimed responsibility for these mosque attacks killing and injuring hundreds. isis releasing photos of the attackers. their popularity growing. they are promoting themselves as isis. it s the rebranding of a new militant group. they are understanding that we have is they started recruiting within aqap and trying to recruit within tribal airs. reporter: all of this leaving the u.s. at risk. we have no capabilities to monitor what aqap and isis and the shia militants are doing in the region. without good intelligence stops plots against the homeland. reporter: sources tell me that months ago they had warned the administration they insist that the houthi rebel movement was challenging the government in yemen but the government rapidly fell and in the last several weeks the chaos has only grown worse as all the groups fight each other. aqap in yemen may be beefing up its capabilityies right now. i m sure they are. thank you. the president of afghanistan is here in the united states for talks with president obama tomorrow. he is warning that isis terrorists are targeting his country. cnn has new evidence of isis recruiting in afghanistan in this report from our senior international correspondent nick patten walsh. reporter: a new and modern plague is now. you are seeing rare pictures filmed by our cameraman of what we are told in an isis recruitment session in afghanistan. brothers i m here to tell you, the recruiter says, about the mujahideen. the taliban is strong but fractured and the u.s. is leaving. the u.n. warns isis is getting a foot hold in afghanistan. this may be how. this afghan has come back from fighting in northern syria and is one of five recruiters whose pitch is simple. come fight true jihad for isis for a $500 wage. some listeners are driven. my aim is to fight infidels one says in syria or if they ask me to in afghanistan, i will. others aren t sure and just poor. i need the money but will stay here and hope peace comes one adds. there s a bit of theater here. isis application forms for them to complete on camera. but also a clear message to angry young afghans disillusioned by the taliban s wars. there s now an even more ruthless choice you can make, isis. nick patten walsh, kabul. a new hit list targeting 100 members of the u.s. military and their familiars. pamela brown is looking into this story for us. it s very disturbing. what are you learning? reporter: very disturbing. officials taking it seriously. law enforcement sources tell cnn is that a lone wolf could target the service members listed. we re learning from a law enforcement official that a view of the individuals in this group behind the threat islamic state hacking division are isis affiliates who the fbi has been tracking online. it appears this group may have cherry picked some of the service members in the list because of their involvement with the u.s. air campaign in syria and iraq. among the personal information posted on this hit list over the weekend, pictures home addresses and phone numbers of high-ranking military officials commanders captains and major generals. about 100 members of the u.s. military. the group is calling on isis sympathizers to kill the service members in their own land behead them, stab them to death as they walk their streets thinking they are safe. the pentagon telling cnn all the service members are being notified. there s no evidence of an imminent threat of an attack or a data breach. it appears the group was able to pull information publically information available information about the service members online through social media. they and their family members must be terrified right now. pamela thanks very much. let s get analysis of what s going on. more information. joining us a member of the house homeland security and intelligence committee, congressman peter king. thanks for joining us. have you been briefed on the so-called isis hit list the targeting of the 100 members of the u.s. military for not only attack but beheadings death? wolf not necessarily on this particular one. i m not sure if this is entirely new. but for the last six months we have been briefed on how isis is assembling names, addresses, phone up ins. basically using, as pam said social media. people on facebook that will say their husband or wife is in afghanistan or they are coming home soon or whatever. then newspaper reports about veterans returning home or someone being wounded. they can really open source and from the internet isis has been able to track this down. again, i don t think we have to be too concerned right now about an organized isis force in this country carrying out attacks. my concern is i believe what the justice department believes is that we re talking about lone wolves. for instance what we saw in queens back in october, where we had the isis supporter, the isis sympathizer who was radicalized over the internet using the hatchet attack on the two police officers or in canada. i think what isis is doing is appealing to supports, people on the fringes of society who will act out. we have to look for actual isis cells. i think the immediate threat would come from someone who is a deranged perp edd person or lone wolf influenced by isis. what this isis so-called hacking division what they said is to their supporters sympathizers here in the united states if you can t come fight with us here in iraq or syria or yemen or libya or whatever stay where you are, but here is a list of u.s. military personnel. here are their names, addresses, their pictures. go ahead and behead them kill them if you can. here is the question. should these people be getting special protection? i believe, yes. they probably are in their local communities. the answer is yes, they should be. there should be protection for anyone whose name is there. anyone not community who is known to be a military person a person whose name has appeared even if it s not on this list i would hope that the local police in conjunction with the military would be providing some level of security for them. certainly, anyone whose name is there should be getting security. i would be very surprised if they re not, if they don t have some form of security detail on them. i agree with you. although we heard earlier today, congressman i m sure i will check this out. as of now, there has been no decision to provide them with additional security, post guards outside their homes or move them to other locations. it s obviously, a very worrisome development. from my experience in new york whenever something like this happens, certainly the local police will provide a level of security for anyone whose name has appeared or anyone who could be targeted by a terrorist. that may be in new york but not necessarily throughout the entire country. i m saying it had you beshould be. i m sure the family members, if they see their names popping up and pictures their addresses, they must be terrified. don t you agree? we re think we re thinking of the spouses, kids the neighbors, any isis could attack anyone that has even any kengsconnection to the military people. that s a psychological victory for isis. have you learned this is really isis doing this or somebody else who is pretending to be isis just to instill fear? i m not certain on this. have i i have not been briefed on this listing. we know isis and al qaeda affiliates are monitoring names of millitary personnel and going back as far as six months ago and also in europe. the pentagon has been urging the american military to have a small a footprint as possible as far as social media. even the most harmless picture, instagram, whatever about a personnel themselves or their family members or their friends, relatives, whatever that could make them a target for isis or al qaeda or any of this really alphabet soup of groups that are out there. a lot of mim tearlitary families are cutting back on social media. i want to you stand by. we have new information coming in about what isis al qaeda, these iranian-backed shiite houthis are doing now that the udz has not only evacuated the embassy but pulled out all special forces. more with congressman peter king right after this. if you take multiple medications, a dry mouth can be a common side effect. that s why there s biotene. it comes in oral rinse spray or gel so there s moisturizing relief for everyone. biotene, for people who suffer from a dry mouth. people with type 2 diabetes come from all walks of life. if you have high blood sugar ask your doctor about farxiga. it s a different kind of medicine that works by removing some sugar from your body. along with diet and exercise farxiga helps lower blood sugar in adults with type 2 diabetes. with one pill a day, farxiga helps lower your a1c. and, although it s not a weight-loss or blood-pressure drug farxiga may help you lose weight and may even lower blood pressure when used with certain diabetes medicines. do not take if allergic to farxiga or its ingredients. symptoms of a serious allergic reaction include rash, swelling, or difficulty breathing or swallowing. if you have any of these symptoms stop taking farxiga and seek medical help right away. do not take farxiga if you have severe kidney problems, are on dialysis, or have bladder cancer. tell your doctor right away if you have blood or red color in your urine or pain while you urinate. farxiga can cause serious side effects including dehydration, genital yeast infections in women and men, low blood sugar, kidney problems, and increased bad cholesterol. common side effects include urinary tract infections changes in urination and runny nose. do the walk of life yeah, you do the walk of life need to lower your blood sugar? 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i don t know if we weres apositive the houthis would be as danger as they turned out to be. but the situation in yellen was crumbling. al qaeda was becoming more powerful. the government was becoming more and more weak. the embassy was in a dangerous position. there was no way in the world that anyone could say that the system was working or his policy was working in yemen. it was clearly a failure as far back as august or september. it has gotten worse. but at that time there was no basis for him saying what he did. congressman, you are one of 367 house members, republicans and democrats, who signed a letter to the president today citing grave concerns about the iran nuclear negotiations. it says congress must be convinced that its terms for ss forclose a pathway. what i m concerned about is the disagreement the way it s being reported, would be locking in place a potential iranian nuclear program. it has a ten-year limit. it allows iran to go ahead with measures, with programs if they decide to pull out, they would have the capacity within a very short period of time to have a nuclear weapon. in effect what we are doing, what the president seems to be doing is giving them this almost guarantee that within nine or ten years if they wish they can pull out or even before then they are going to go ahead with production which can lead toward a nuclear weapon. i don t see the plus in this at all. it has given almost immunity to iran. that s why you find a large number this is not partisan. overwhelming number of democrats and republicans, in addition of course to the israeli government but right here in the u.s. and the u.s. congress the house and senate you will find overwhelming concern about this agreement. i want to get your reaction to ted cruz announcing his candidacy for president of the united states. you put out a statement suggesting you likened him to a carnival barker. what did you mean? what i mean is that we have very complex issues facing the country. he goes out of his way to oversimplify to say that obamacare we could end obamacare by not funding it and shutting down the government is absolutely wrong. that s a wrong signal to send. we need intelligent debate in the country. he doesn t carry out an intelligent debate. he exaggerates. he basically led the republican party over the cliff in the fall of 2013. he has shown no qualifications no legislation being passed doesn t provide leadership. he has no real experience. to me, he is just a guy with a big mouth and no results. would you support him if he were the gop nominee? i hope that day never comes. i will jump off that bridge when we come to it. it would be very difficult. again, maybe can he go on the road to damascus. can he have a complete conversion. the way it is right now, it would be difficult to support ted cruz. when are you going to announce whether you are running? i will be in new hampshire next week. he will be there april 16 and 17. again, i m not kidding myself. it s not going to be easy. if the opening is there and if not, i will take advantage of this country to appeal to the realistic wing of the party, the pro-defense ronald reagan wing the true conservatives, not counterfeit like ted cruz to prevent cruz and rand paul from hijacking the nomination. you don t like rand paul? i understand he s a very nice guy. but his views are isolationist and the world we face today, it would take us back to the 1930s. he calls himself a non-interventionist. do you buy that? i call him an isolationist. his views would remove the u.s. from having a role to play in the world. his mindset look at things he said over the years, blaming the united states for the problems around the world, somehow that we it s our fault. to me that s a bad mindset for the commander in chief of the united states to go into office with. any of those fellow republican potential candidates likeable to you? you like any of them? sure. i m not that tough a guy to get along with. jeb bush scott walker they all both of them certainly show ability. john kasick i don t see ted cruz and rand paul being part of the talent pool. peter king the congressman from new york thanks for joining us. thank you. let us know when you make that decision. we will want to cover that. just ahead, new information about the virginia alcohol agents involved in the arrest of an african-american student leader at uva, the university of have a have a. virginia. what one witness says he saw happen. if a denture were to be put under a microscope we can see all the bacteria that still exists. polident s unique micro clean formula works in just 3 minutes, killing 99.99% of odor causing bacteria. for a cleaner, fresher brighter denture every day. you re driving along, having a perfectly nice day, when out of nowhere a pick-up truck slams into your brand new car. one second it wasn t there and the next second. boom! you ve had your first accident. now you have to make your first claim. so you talk to your insurance company and. boom! you re blindsided for a second time. they won t give you enough money to replace your brand new car. don t those people know you re already shaken up? 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why not simply drop the charges? i think that makes a lot of sense. i wonder if that will happen on thursday. i m sure the prosecutors are looking at this. i think what s interesting is that these officers claim that they stopped him for having a fake i.d. if you look at the charges, he wasn t charged with having a fake i.d. that s the first thing. the other thing that prosecutors will look at is the fact that these are very what he was charged with, which i think is public swearing and intoxication in public the vice president of uva says that the breathalyzer test showed he wasn t intoxicated. finally, i think the prosecutors are certainly going to have to look at the fact that these are low-level misdemeanors if anything. under the virginia criminal code they don t require arrest. so when you sort of look at that and you look at these pictures that we re showing, if i were the prosecutor handling this case this would be an open and shut one. it is certainly one that i would not prosecute. especially because the owner of the pub has said publically that johnson was polite and cordial when he was turned away from the pub. don i know you have been working your sources over there at the university of virginia spoken to people close to martese johnson. any update on his condition? you broke the news friday night that some of his family members were concerned. they took him to the little medical facility there, because he seemed to had swelling in his head. the only thing they said sources close to the family and martese are saying to me at this point, they were concerned thursday when we reported that. now they are saying he is in good health. also new information that i need to report to you about the pub owner and about the plea he is going to enter thursday. today, martese and his representatives both met with uva deans and with the owner of the pub. the owner of the pub says he is sorry for what happened to martese. it s important to know martese does not blame the pub. he says the pub did not do anything wrong. the pub owner, the co-owner who stopped him on that evening is also from the south side of chicago. that s where martese is from. both men are from there. when he asked him for his zip code and he didn t know it the man was familiar with it. so that sort of made him think twice wondering why he didn t know it. the owner is a co-pub owner. also from the south side of chicago. he said that martese was not belligerent for intoxchlintoxicated. the abc, the alcohol control board was tracking the mostly irish establishments because it was st. patty s day. he said his head of security is african-american. he has had five head of security three have been black. he has never gotten physical. he has never seen them arrest anyone. he said no one deserves the treatment johnson got. a young kid grew up in the south side of chicago. just had a single mother. came to the university of virginia honor student. what do you think, tom? should they drop the charges and move on? even if shethey should, they probably won t. we just don t know what occurred. obviously, when he is dealing with the pub staff, you know there s no they have no chance of taking him into custody. with the police we don t know what happened. we will stay on top of this story. a note don will be back tonight 10:00 p.m. tonight, more on this and all the day s important news. we will see you later. just ahead, israel s leader prime minister has formally publically apologized to israeli arab voters for his rhetoric. the obama administration is keeping the pressure on netanyahu, especially for his flip-flop comments about a two-state solution. can the peace process be revived? the chief palestinian negotiator is walking into the situation room right now. welcome to washington. we have lots to discuss right after this. atlanta and i can t wait to start telling people how switching to geico could save them hundreds of dollars on car insurance. but first, my luggage. ahh, there it is. uh, excuse me sir? 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reporter: wolf today with a group of minorities i will note there was one arab among them the prime minister said he was sorry if what he said owe 23e7bded ed fended the arabs. tonight the arabs who did very well in the recent election, now the third largest block are saying it s not just this one statement, they feel the prime minister has had policies and legislation that are exclusionary and discriminatory. 1.6 israeli citizens of arab dissent feel they are second class citizens. they were hurt by the comments. the larger issue of feeling marginalize marginalized. he didn t think a palestinian watch was ever going to happen. he now insists he does support a two-state solution. the white house is not necessarily buying it is it? reporter: no not impressed. officials are saying that you can t just walk back the statement and feel the u.s. and israel, after being on the same page for six years about working towards a solution are now on same page. listen to the white house chief of staff speaking to the pro-israel group. such comments call into question his commitment to a two-state solution as did his suggestion the construction of settlements has a strategic purpose of dividing palestinian communities and his claim that conditions in the larger middle east must be more stable before a palestinian state can be established. we cannot simply pretend that these comments were never made. [ applause ] reporter: officials are telling me that it s going to take time and it s going to take actions, not words, for the u.s. to rebuild that trust and credibility. the prime minister you heard the president say the u.s. may need to reassess its relationship with israel as far as the peace process going forward. thanks very much. let s get more on what s going on. joining us the chief palestinian negotiator. thanks very much for coming in. thank you. do you accept you are not an israeli citizen. do you accept the apology that benjamin netanyahu made to arabs about the remarks he made on election day when he urged supporters go out and vote because the arabs are voting in droves? no. no because you could have differences. imagine, wolf if someone is running an election if france and he would tell the people on tv jews are or in america they would say blacks. now he apologized. it s up to the israeli arabs to say their words. this is about a culture. this was very very very wrong. when the prime minister said the day or two after the election his policy hasn t changed, he support a two-state solution two states israel living along side a new state of palestine, do you accept that? no. same thing, wolf. prime minister netanyahu, we engaged him, gave him so many chance. i don t believe there has been anyone more sincere for the peace process more than president obama and john kerry. i think these two gentlemen have invested everything humanly possible to allow us and israelis to achieve an agreement. he will tell everyone wolf i will make it. but then the deeds are settlements, dictation and anything that would undermine the two-state solution. now mr. netanyahu needs to put his money where his mouth is, if he s serious about the two-state solution stop settlement they must organize palestinian on the lines to live side by side. listen to denis mcdonough. this is what he also said today. i will play a clip. this is the white house chief of staff. no nation has done more to stand with israel and the world including at the united nations, than the united states. so as difficult as it is the united states will never stop working for a two-state solution and lasting peace that israelis and palestinians so richly deserve. you agree with him on that? you want a two-state solution. i know you are meeting with officials from the white house and state department. how do you revive this peace process now in the aftermath of netanyahu s re-election? the prime minister of israel tells me that a palestinian state establishment is not on my watch, what option does he have? now he says he does want a two-state solution. but he has done nothing but undermine the two-state solution. he increased settlement active toy by 40%, more than any time before. you know he blames the palestinian authority, the plo for forging this alliance with hamas in gaza, which even the state department considers a terrorist organization committed to israel s destruction. wolf you know that we have a government formed with agreement with hamas. but the political program of the government is two states. the state of palestine to live state by side the state of israel peace and security. there s not a single when netanyahu says you must end that relationship with hamas in order to revive the negotiations for a two-state solution you are smiling, but your reaction is in. hamas is a political problem. it s my problem. i know that once a palestinian state established, we must have one authority and the rule of law. wolf the other thing mr. netanyahu is doing now, he is withholding our money. we re not a state. israel collects our taxes and revenues for us $150 million a month. this is the fourth month they don t transfer our money. our hospitals are about to collapse. we re not saying salaries. and then if mr. netanyahu is seeking the end of the palestinian authority, we may soon call upon him to assume his responsibility you must first break your ties with hamas. hamas is a political party. he has to tell me that once we have a palestinian state, we re going to have one authority, one gun and the rule of law. when i differ with hamas, i m telling hamas, we result to ballots and not bullets. it s my problem. i know i have a problem there. we know we have division. we need to reconcile and bring saturday ga saturday back to the palestinians. is there any hope to revive this peace process? yes. look if not now in ten years there s no option for palestinians and israelis other than a two-state solution. final two years of the obama administration is there any hope something can be resolved? i think it s possible. i think it s doable. i think it s a need. it s doable. it s a must. and it s an interest for palestinians and israelis. i did not feel my con sense aching for the israelis. i m doing it for myself my children my grandchildren. the same to them. there is no option for palestinians and israelis other than a state of palestine to live side by side with a state of israel and peace. i hope and pray that this leader of israel will stand tall and tell his people yes, we need to organize a state of palestine and stop settlement activity. is the obama administration going to try to revive the peace process? are they over it? i think they will. i think he said today that they will never give up. i really believe that. you believe that? i believe president obama and secretary kerry. at the end of the day, they may help palestinians and israelis. but decisions cannot be made by obama or kerry. decisions are required from us and israelis. chief palestinian negotiator you have been working this for a long time. good luck to you. good luck to the israelis. let s hope the two-state solution can at the end of the day be achieved. appreciate it very much. thank you, wolf. senator ted cruise playz playing toy a a conservative crowd. the first to announce his campaign. ny people clean their dentures with toothpaste or plain water. and even though their dentures look clean, in reality they re not. if a denture were to be put under a microscope we can see all the bacteria that still exists on the denture and that bacteria multiplies very rapidly. that s why dentists recommend cleaning with polident everyday. polident s unique micro clean formula works in just 3 minutes, killing 99.99% of odor causing bacteria. for a cleaner, fresher brighter denture every day. the future of the market is never clear. but at t. rowe price we can help guide your retirement savings. our experience is one reason 100% of our retirement funds beat their 10-year lipper averages. so wherever your long-term goals take you we can help you feel confident. request a prospectus or summary prospectus with investment information, risks, fees and expenses to read and consider carefully before investing. call us or your advisor. t. rowe price. invest with confidence. let s take a look at your credit. i know i have a 786 fico score, thanks to all the tools and help on experian.com. so how are we going to sweeten this deal? 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for my personal beliefs, he s a little too much of a war hog. reporter: he s ready to move ahead with nearly a dozen candidates. i m invig grated and inspired by young people ready to turn the country around. reporter: his republican rivals plan to jump in the race next month but today cruz and his family reveled in the moment. his wife heidi is taking a leave of absence from her job at goldman sachs to spend time on the campaign trail with their two young daughters. i am ebbinspired to stand with each and every one of you courageous conservatives as we come together to reclaim the promise of america. reporter: now, senator cruz did not mention any of his republican rivals by name but, make no mistake about it he criticized jeb bush s two key issues immigration reform. he will not be shy to distinguish himself. jeff stay with us. i want to bring in ron brownstein and jeffrey toobin. he s starting off in the low single digits considerably behind jeb bush scott walker even rand paul. he s got a major mission ahead of him. yeah he does. his challenge is that right now he s appealing to only a relative narrow bandwidth, the most conservative elements. when the wall street journal poll asked people in the potential republican field, he was only at net positive two. as many people said they would not consider as would consider. he was fine among very conservative being weaker among somewhat conservative and way under water with those who are moderate or liberal. they are not looking at him. he either has to have a narrow pathway or expand his reach. jeffrey, what s the most important thing we all need to know about him? well that he believes that republicans who seek the center are destined for failure. he says look at the presidential candidates who have won as republicans. ronald reagan george w. bush the first term of president george herbert walker bush. look at the republicans that lose. mitt romney, john mccain gerald ford. there are explanations as to one, why those candidates came out the way they did but he s someone who thinks being a true conservative whether it means denying climate change overruling obamacare, fighting immigration reform all of that is just find because a pure message will beat a moderate message, so he says. jeff zelany you re there on the scene. how good are his chances of locking up the evangelical vote in the iowa caucuses? it s a crowded field. rick santorum and ben carson among others. reporter: wolf right now they are all playing for the same slice of the audience. it s far too soon to lock up any of that group of the electorate. one thing for senator cruz he s been going to iowa so often. his father a preacher has been spending a lot of time in iowa. so he really wins over audiences there but this is the time of the year that activists like to watch the candidates see how they grow. so senator cruz will not be locking up any of these activists for possibly months to come. it s a very crowded lane. the establishment lane is not as nearly crowded as the evangelical lane if you will. he has a tough road ahead of him, no question. i assume his announcement will cause other announcements? he s not big enough to affect other people s time but the natural rhythm of the calendar is pointing in that direction. we have rand paul in april and others later in april. the big question about cruz is not whether he affects the timing but if he has a gravitational pull to affect the debate. and let s just clarify one point, jeffrey, a legal point. he was born in canada and his father was cuba and he fits the definition of a natural-born american so he can run for president, right? we think so. i don t think there s going to be any controversy about that. however, it s worth pointing out that the supreme court has not ever identified what a natural-born citizen is. donald trump is engaging in one of his fictional presidential campaigns. he s considering raising it. i think it s a nonissue. ted cruz has a lot of problems as a candidate. where he is born is not one of them. you think that s an issue down the road? if donald trump makes that birther issue? i think he s going to do a lot better before people go down that road. a very crowded field on the side that he s trying to play on much less crowded in the establishment lane at the moment and that may be a problem for conservatives in general. on the whole, jeff zelany 10,000 students they were required to attend but he was well received right? reporter: he was very well received. if senator cruz is able to win over the younger conservatives across the country, that could really help him. it looked like an obama rally in 2007. these people don t really know ted cruz. they are just getting to know him. whether he has the capacity to grow is something that we ll be keeping an eye on. alan dershowitz of all the students he taught ted cruz was one of the smartest. tweet me @wolfblitzer. be sure to join us again tomorrow. right here in the situation room. i m wolf blitzer in the situation room. erin burnett outfront starts right now. outfront tonight, the fbi tracking a terror group that s put out a hit list of american troops with their names and addresses online calling for attacks on their families right here in the united states. plus israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu apologized for his comments about arab voters. demean it? and allegations of a brutal gang rape at the university of virginia. today, police are saying there s no evidence it ever happened. let s go outfront. good
also, a pope and a politician trading tough talk. why is the president of turkey taking on the vicar of christ? and what does it say about turkey today? then david brooks games out the 2016 presidential field. nd avenue and jeffrey sacks tells us why 2015 is our last chance to act on climate change. but first, here s my take. the obama administration s foreign policy energies are now fully engaged in the middle east. negotiating the iran deal, sending special forces into iraq, supporting saudi air strikes in yemen, working with the syrian rebels. whatever happened to the pivot to asia? remember the basic argument behind the pivot was that the united states was over invested in the middle east, a crisis-prone region of dwindling importance to the american national interests. asia, on the other hand, is the future. of the world s four largest economies, three are in asia if purchased by purchasing power parity. as singapore s former leader often told me, america will remain the world s dominant power in the 21st century only if it is the dominant pacific power. and yet, the united states is once more up to its neck in the middle eastern morass. president obama and john kerry spent little time in asia, few new initiatives have been announced. the transpacific partnership, a trade deal that was at the heart of the pivot, faces a tough road in congress despite the fast-track agreement reached this week. the opposition comes mostly from the president s own party. the administration lobbied hard to get its closest allies to spurn china s new asian infrastructure investment bank only to be rebuffed by everyone, including great britain. the future stability of the world will not rest on whether the houthis win or lose in yemen. yemen has been in a state of almost constant civil war since 1962. global stability will be shaped by how the world s established power handles the new rising one, china. as harvard s graham allison notes, since 1500, of the 15 cases where this transition of power has taken place, 11 times the result was a war. most of the attention of the pivot has been focused on deterring china. that s a necessary and important component of maintaining peace and stability, but an excellent new academic volume qings the next great war: the roots of world war i and the risks of a united states/china conflict, highlights in addition to deterrence, the united states also needs to work hard at cooperation, at integrating china into the global system. on this front, washington gets poor marks so far, something we touched on last week. china is now the world s second-largest economy. actually the largest when measured by purchasing power parity. and yet, its voting shares in the imf is equivalent to that of the netherlands and belgium combined. the united states congress, mainly republicans, refuses to pass legislation that would change this, even though it won t affect america s voting share in this group at all. the obama administration s opposition to the asian infrastructure bank was, quite simply, dumb. the bank is just one more way to fund infrastructure projects in asia. if china can t set up a regional bank to finance bridge building, what influence is it legitimately allowed to have? of course, having chosen to oppose the bank, the administration ended up with the worst of all worlds, being defeated in its ill-chosen fight. washington has a strong hand. it remains the dominant rule-setting power in the world in a way that has never really existed in history. it s militarily in a league of its own. it has more than 50 treaty allies. china has north korea. but the obama administration needs to start believing in its own grand strategy. let the iraqis and saudis feud. let yemen continue it s now 50-year-long civil war. let iran squander resources in syria. washington should turn its energies, attentions, and effort to asia. for more, go to cnn.com/fareed and read my washington post column this week, and let s get started. take a look at these satellite photographs. they show something physically small but geopolitically huge. china is bulking up and building up many disputed islands in the south china sea. here are some before and after photographs of china s work released just this week. admiral harry harris commander of the u.s. pacific fleet, recently said that what china is doing in the area is, quote, creating a great wall of sand more than 1.5 square miles worth so far. it raises questions about china, questions being asked more and more these days like, is china an enemy? is it going to overtake america as a superpower? and what are the intentions of china s new leader, xi jinping? to help us get to the bottom of all this, i have two of the sharpest people i know on the subject. hank paulson was the 74th secretary of the treasury and is the author of a great new book dealing with china: an insider unmasks the new economic super power. and evan osnos was the new yorker s china correspondent for years and author of age of ambition: chasing fortune, truth, and faith in the new china. hank, let me start with you. how would you answer that question? people say first you begin your book by saying china will likely overtake the united states has the world s largest economy. yes, fareed. as you well know, china is right now the second largest economy. it puts up more than half the buildings on earth. it consumes half the cement, half the coal, half the steel. this is a country that s a new china. they ve emerged as a formidable competitor. we just can t let it disintegrate into debilitating or destructive competition. it s very, very important, it s in the united states best interest that we look for ways to get important things done with china because we have many shared interests, and again, i think we need to be a bit more strategic as we think about the u.s./china relationship. evan, what do you think of these foreign policy moves? a lot of people say chinese government needs growth, this is what the communist party has promised to deliver. they know growth is slowing, so they search for alternatives and nationalism is the alternative, which means they push, you know they bound their own boundaries and bump up against their neighbors. the economy for them is priority number one. they have to re-energize what s going on with the economy, knowing full well they re not going to be able to count on 10% growth a year the way they have for a generation. how do you energize people? how do you keep them together? how do you get people thinking about the country as a power house in the world? one of the ways you do that is by what the naval strategists in the u.s. are describing as facts on the water, building these reefs into islands in the south china sea, creating essentially the physical infrastructure for the day when china feels that it s territorial claims can now be asserted. china believes it has the rightful claim to a vast portion of the south china sea, which is claimed by other countries. at the moment, china is not interested in provoking a conflict, a physical military kinetic war with the united states. it knows that would be a doomed proposition. but what it is interested in doing is letting the world know that it s going to take a much more assertive posture in advancing its own interests not just economically but also in terms of its physical security. hank, you part of the fascinating thing in the book is you have met with every one of these chinese leaders, including xi jinping before he was president. in conversations with them, i mean, a lot of it is formal, i m sure, but what is the sense you get of them in terms of do they want to be number one? there is no doubt that xi jinping is going through a massive transformation of a country where reform is stalled. and it s not just the economy. it s the urbanization process. it s the military. it s the foreign policy. you know, it s the media. so he is he s not waiting for people to declare china a major power. he believes they already are a major power. he s looking to influence on the global scene, you know, and it s not surprising. that s what every other great power has done, including the united states. now, he also wants and needs a good relationship with the united states of america. so he wants you think he wants oh, absolutely. he has got multiple challenges on his hands. some of the things he s trying to do are not only very important to china, they re very important to us in the united states of america. hank, i have to ask you, since i have you here. around the world, everybody talks about the fact that the u.s. economy at the end of the day is the strongest economy certainly among the major economies in the world. it s the one economy that seems to be once again the engine of the world. what s your take on where we are today? well, you re right. that s the good news. the good news is we re growing, we re creating jobs, property values are rising. the bad news is we re not growing quickly enough, and there s tremendous income disparity. to me, and i want top turn this around with china again, the greatest threat to our long-term pre-eminence is not china. not at all. the greatest threat is our own political inability to deal with the sorts of things we need to deal with to strengthen and revitalize our economy, restore its competitiveness. so to me, what do we need to do to revitalize our economy? it s not just education and training. we need a tax system that will let our companies be competitive. we need a federal income tax system that will let us raise the money we need while creating jobs. we need to be aggressive in terms of trade policy. china is leading in the trade area. we need to be there. and the last thing i would say is for all those that are rooting against china, be careful what you root for because all of our economic issues become greater if we don t have china contributing to global growth. hank paulson, evan osnos, terrific conversation. thank you so much. next on gps, another secretary of the treasury, this time from the other side of the aisle. he will give us his take on the u.s. economy. larry summers, when we come back. after all, healthier doesn t happen all by itself. it needs to be earned. every day. using wellness to keep away illness. and believing that a single life can be made better by millions of others. healthier takes somebody who can power modern health care. by connecting every single part of it. for as the world keeps on searching for healthier. we re here to make healthier happen. optum. healthier is here. hey, girl. is it crazy that your soccer trophy is talking to you right now? 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that s right. and what i ve emphasized that this is really a global phenomenon of the industrial world, and what it s got to do with is we seem to have a lot of savings. more savings because there s more inequality. more savings because developing countries are accumulating reserves. more savings because people are paying down debt. and we ve got much less demand to put that savings to use. hardly any demand for investment, but all that saving, all that forgoing spending and no investment imparts a basic sluggishness. and so what you re saying is because this is a kind of deep structural problem, not just about this cycle, not just about the banks being overleveraged, that what we need is a kind of entirely new and aggressive government policy or maybe a return back to something that was done in the 30s, which is really significant fiscal stimulus government spending. i think it s madness that at a moment when the interest rates are at a record low, when the nonemployment of men is at a near high, that we are doing less investment in infrastructure than in any time since the second world war on a net basis. it is crazy that we don t take advantage of this moment to fix kennedy airport, to do something about 30,000 schools with chipping paint. but it s also about private investment. we need to figure out how to stimulate both public investment and private investment. that s really the priority for our children. people worry about the deficit. yes, the deficit is a concern, but we re borrowing money at 1% or less on average to finance the federal government. that s not the real problem. the real problem is that we re not making investments that could be paying off with very high rates of return for our children, that we re deferring maintenance and leaving them with a large liability, and that s what i think we ought to be worried about as a country. i think if we worry about that, we ve got the prospect of doing what s most central and important, which is delivering for the middle class. delivering for the middle class is clearly going to be the centerpiece of hillary clinton s campaign. people say the democratic party has moved to the left. what does it mean specifically, what can a new president do to deliver for the middle class? investing heavily in infrastructure, take a burden off the future, put a lot of people to work, expand the economy s capacity. raise the minimum wage, give unions a chance to organize in a way that they haven t really had a chance because the way the labor law has been enforced or not enforced for the last quarter century. these things would make a difference over time for the middle class. move to a more progressive tax system where we close tax shelters and use the results of closing tax shelters to provide benefits to middle-class people. these are all elements of a strategy that would accelerate growth in overall incomes and make sure that a larger share would go to the middle class, and that s got to be the central priority for the country. my hope would be that the presidential campaign will be about different strategies for doing that, but to start with, we need to know what the fundamental objective is, and i believe that objective should be raising middle-class incomes. when you look at all these republican plans, economc plans, which focus very substantially on deficit reduction and also on tax reform, what do you think of them? i don t think the deficit is our biggest economic problem. we ve reduced the deficit from 11% of gdp to below 3% of gdp. it s lower now relative to the economy than it s been on average over the last 40 years, certainly than it was when ronald reagan was president. that s not the deficit i worry about. the deficit i worry about is a huge backlog of deferred maintenance that we re leaving to our children. the deficit i worry about is an educational system that s not meeting the needs of more than half of the kids in american public schools. the deficit i worry about is in equal opportunity, when the gap between rich kids and poor kids in terms of their ability to go to college has never been greater. i worry about providing enough demand to put everybody to work in our economy going forward. this is not the right moment for a lurch to austerity. this is not the right moment to cut the fbi or to cut further the irs, which is already losing the ability to keep the tax system honest by auditing tax cheaters. this is a moment of record low interest rates. that is a moment for us as a country to do what a business would do, which is to take advantage of low borrowing costs to invest in our future. and that s what i hope we will do increasingly in both the public and in the private sector. larry summers, pleasure to have you on as always. next up, a president versus a pope. whom would you bet on? 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yeah. does that mean people in laos shouldn t get their vaccine? we didn t think so. from figuring it out to getting it done, we re here to help. now for our what in the world segment. this week, there was a serious war of words between turkey and the vatican. at a sunday mass, pope francis called the mass killing of over 1 million armenians in the early 1900s the first genocide of the 20th century. that s blasphemy to turkey s leadership, which denies that its forefathers, the rulers of the ottoman empire, ever perpetrated such an organized, malicious act. many scholars would accept the pope s characterization. in retaliation, turkey summoned its ambassador back from the vatican. but turkey s prime minister went much further, reportedly condemning pope francis and claiming he had joined a conspiracy of an evil front against turkey. this paranoid rhetoric is not an isolated case. a two-hour documentary called the mastermind, which aired on a pro-government news channel and featured interviews with top officials from turkey s ruling party, claimed there was a vast international conspiracy against turkey. and last year, turkish president tayyip erdogan reportedly said so-called outsiders look like our friends, but they want us dead. they want to see our children dead. what in the world is going on here? turkey is an ally of the united states and has been a member of nato since 1952. all of this nasty talk is a symptom of turkey s sad metamorphosis into a textbook i will liberal dem illinois liberal democracy. in my 2003 book the future of freedom, i pointed out while some governments may be democratically elected, they can use their popularity to behave in very authoritarian ways. president erdogan s party has won election after election over the years, and things were hopeful at the beginning of its rule, notes one turkish commentator. here was a group of moderate islamists who truly believed in democracy, a potential example for the entire middle east. but over the years, power has corrupted the party, and its reforms are a distant memory. the turkish government is now one of the strictest internet sensors in the world. for a while, it blocked access to twitter and youtube, and twitter said in the last six months of 2014, turkey had more requests for content to be removed on its site than any country in the world. president erdogan has called social media the worst menace to society. the government recently passed a controversial domestic security law that greatly expands the police s power. meanwhile, president erdogan has built a $600 million palace that is more than 30 times the size of the white house. to keep his grip on power, he plays the victim, with conspiracy theories that are as nasty as they are ridiculous. still, things could be a lot worse. president erdogan is no vladimir putin. he s demonizing his opponents, he s not killing them. and despite the ruling party s devotion to islam, turkey has not and will not impose any kind of sharia law and become saudi arabia any time soon. turkey supports the nuclear deal with iran. it has taken in more syrian refugees than any other country in the world. in many ways, it is still a responsible actor on the world stage. but the upcoming elections expect 234d in june could give erdogan s akp party even more power. the party is sure to win, and it might even get enough votes to change the constitution, allowing it to create a super presidency with fewer checks and balances. it looks like turkey, that was once a promising model for moderate islamist democracy, will be an illiberal democracy for the foreseeable future. which is sad for all of us who love that country and its people. next on gps, david brooks gives us his take on the ever-growing 2016 presidential field. who does he think has the right stuff on the right? 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(laugh) nice. doing the big things that move an economy. see you tomorrow, mac. see you tomorrow, sam. just another day at norfolk southern. the pursuit of healthier. it begins from the second we re born. after all, healthier doesn t happen all by itself. it needs to be earned. every day. using wellness to keep away illness. and believing that a single life can be made better by millions of others. healthier takes somebody who can power modern health care. by connecting every single part of it. for as the world keeps on searching for healthier. we re here to make healthier happen. optum. healthier is here. kid: hey dad, who was that man? dad: he s our broker. he helps looks after all our money. kid: do you pay him? dad: of course. kid: how much? dad: i don t know exactly. kid: what if you re not happy? does he have to pay you back? dad: nope. kid: why not? dad: it doesn t work that way. kid: why not? vo: are you asking enough questions about the way your wealth is managed? wealth management at charles schwab the new york times columnist david brooks has a fascinating book that i think may make you re-evaluate your life. he challenges us to think about what he calls our resume virtues versus our eulogy virtues. in other words, what helps us propel our careers versus what makes for a life well lived. i ll talk to him in coming weeks about this book, but he s first and foremost a great observer of politics, and i wanted to get his take on the burgeoning 2016 presidential field. david, pleasure to have you on. good to be on fareed. it feel like for bush there s an inevitable status to be able to raise money. he has so much name recognition. but there s a potential for a candidate other than bush. and will that be, i m guessing, to the right of bush? because bush, on immigration and on education, is pretty centrist. right. yeah, the way i look at it is this. i think at this stage in the campaign, it s not useful to look at who s raising a lot of money. rudy giuliani was raising a ton of money. it s not even useful to look at the big organizations. just pretend you re a baseball scout. you re at spring training, and you re watching the pitchers work out. they re throwing their curve balls, their sliders, their fastballs. who s got the best stuff? who looks like a politician who s got skills? if you d done that with obama and clinton in 08, you would have said obama is better. that s all i do at this stage. who s better? what are you noticing right now? i think marco rubio s the best. just the best stuff. creative, on top of his game, very intellectually smart and going after interesting policies. scott walker, very practical, very sharp. he s got a great story. unlike the others, he was governor. he actually did stuff. he s got a great story. those are my two aces. bush, you can see that he s been out of the game for a little while. sometimes puts in a good performance, sometimes extremely flat and soft around the edges. chris christie, he was so strong before. now he s trying not to be obnoxious so he s so weak. he s too self-conscious. i think there are only three candidates at this moment who look plausible. that s rubio, walker, and bush. on the democratic side? what does she do in terms of the change continuity issue? does she run for the third term as a democrat, or does she say, no, i m actually the change you re looking for. they seem to be leaning a little on the continuity side. i think they ve looked at obama s ratings. unwft interesting pieces of data is when they ask people would you like experience or would you like something fresh, historically experience is rating very highly these days. people just in a weird way, she s so temperamentally different from obama, she automatically has a bit of change. if he was hope and change and high idealism, she s not that. stylistically, she s more different and more managerial. she might be able to run her way to the presidency as a managerial person. i m just going to run the thing well. you know, i think a lot of people are in the mood for that. she does have some strength. the other thing, we underestimate international trends and electoral tastes. tough people are winning. bibi netanyahu, angela merkel. maybe the most representative figure of our age. tough people are winning. is he sort of fitting temperamentally into that mold. there seems to be a global, historical drift in her direction. does the fact that she s a woman does it have the potential to scramble some of these political calculation i mean, if 10% of republican women decide they d rather vote for hillary, that s a big deal. and 53% of the electorate will probably be women. it s a plus. it s a definite plus. even if she s not fresh in anything she says, it gives her the freshness of that. so i think it s a net plus. one of the interesting things is on foreign policy, does she always have to be the toughest person, or is she worrying about some stereotypes there? i think she s naturally the toughest person. we remember what she was like when she was in the senate. she was not that far from john mccain on a lot of issues. i m not sure she s going to run that way. somehow one feels that s where a lot of her general intellectual bent is. when you look at all the people running for president and you think about your book which of them has cultivated the inner virtues, the eulogy virtues, that you admire? you look at those who have a deep inner voice, people like abraham, lincoln. my friend now, samantha power, i m a great friend of hers. i think she has deep inner passion. but the politicians right now, they are so busy all the time. they are their own product. it s all me, me, me, me. they have very little time to cultivate. they re very ambitious. if they did really step back and say, i want to really be introspective, i want to have a good life they might not be able to take the awfulness of our campaign. so i think we both know a lot of politicians. i generally think they re good people. they re better in private than they are in public. but you re saying something important, which is that the system and it s not just the political system, but the age we live in selects out for that kind of inner life. you can t be successful on the resume if you have too much of that inner life. it s attention. they re in a hypercompetitive business. when john hay was running, he was one of abraham lincoln s staff. he was writing these press releases about how the civil war was going. the press releases were all, we re going great, the north is winning, general meade is awesome. he s also writing diary entries at the same time. the diary entries all, cataclysm, we re losing this is terrible, we have no generals. i say that because he had a distinction between his outer voice, which he had to say for politics, and his inner voice, which he knew was true. a lot of the people i cover don t have that distinction. they don t have that inner voice. they re all outer. so they haven t stepped back to say, who am i, what s absolutely true that s separated from my own self-interest or my own party line. david brooks, great and rare pleasure. thank you. next on gps, a stark warning from economist jeffrey sachs. he says 2015 is our last chance to act on climate change. why? well, he ll explain when we come back. the american dream is terrifying. american history is the history of the scary thing being the exact thing we have to do. cross that ocean. walk on that moon. sign a 30-year mortgage on a home. scary sure, but no match for our colossal self belief. we re supposed to do scary. without scary, we don t get to be brave. wednesday is earth day. that day when we all seem to recommit toursds saving the planet only to forget that pledge by the first of may. but my next guest, the famous economist jeffrey sachs, says this is our last chance. sachs is the author of a new book the age of sustainable development. he s also unabashedly an alarmist. but he says we really have only a matter of days to act, 256 days, to be exact. why? well, listen to him. so you come bearing some pretty grim news, particularly about climate change. describe why you think this is sort of the last chance we have. we ve known for decades about climate change despite propaganda to the contrary. the earth has been getting warmer, and the climate is becoming more unstable. 2014 was the hottest year in instrument record. and we felt it not only in high temperatures around the world but in floods, in droughts, in extreme storms, and there s a lot more to come. and the world set this year as the time to change course because negotiations failed, failed, failed. they finally said 2015, this is it, and if we don t do it this year, we re not going to be able to stay safe in terms of the climate system. it s going to run out of control. step back. in your book, you describe just the nature of the problem historically. so in 1750, you point out there were about 800 million people on the planet. there are now over 7 billion. and you say once we get to the next 20 or 30 years are very dangerous. the point is not only has the world population increased roughly ten times, but what each person does on average in terms of the resources that are used has also increased roughly tenfold. so the world economy arithmetically has grown 100 field, roughly speaking as a macroeconomist would measure. what it really means is, well, while the planet hasn t increased in size at all, what we re doing to the planet has just exploded. the pressures on the physical earth have reached thresholds that are very dangerous, unprecedented, and, therefore, not understood not part of our political, social, cultural, historical context. so new that we re having a very hard time getting our hands around issues like climate change or the massive destruction of biodiversity, the massive amounts of pollution that are being caused. these are new phenomena. what about the argument that technology gets us out of this problem? a lot of people feel, look between greater efficiency, recycling, desalination, technology can solve these problems, and you will be able to have fresh water endlessly. there s some truth in fact, i think it s a core truth, that technology can solve these problems or at least can help us solve these problems. but technology always cuts two ways. just take the technological advances in energy. solar panels, which don t produce carbon dioxide emissions, therefore are clean energy, have become much less expensive and are spreading around the world. but also the fossil fuel industry coal oil, and gas, has become much more productive as well because of modern technology. how to find deep reserves, how to drill, hydrofracking, horizontal drilling. all of a sudden we can produce a lot more. we can have ultra deep sea drilling, arctic drilling, floating liquefied natural gas plants. the biggest ships in history to take up methane from the seabed, natural gas, liquefy it on a floating vessel that can withstand a typhoon, and then ship it off for burning some place for electricity. so technology can accelerate the disaster or it can solve it. and what is the path to sustainable development? when you describe the problem, you know, and you talk about the world economy doubling in a generation, the population getting much larger even though it will then taper off, it feels like it s impossible. when i think about something like china and india developing and building a coal-fired power plant every week, i wonder, does it really make that much difference if i use a little more solar energy? no. if china and india continue to completely depend on coal as they are, it s true that the major parts of the world don t participate, then, no, it doesn t matter what you and i do. that s why we need a global understanding and a global agreement. and that you know very well better than anybody how tough that is to get all parts of the world seeing eye to eye that we need to take a different course. not just the one that the market or that the short-term profits would lead us towards, but the one we need to take for safety. are you at the end of the day hopeful? this year is key. at least the world leaders i m seeing them all over the world, week by week they show this is the year that either it gets done or we have missed our generation s opportunity. jeff, thanks. good to have you on. thanks so much. next on gps, presidents, popes, and powerful people are protected around the clock, but what kind of world do we live in that this guy needs guarding 24 hours a day? when we come back. that this guy needs guarding 24 people ship all kinds of things. but what if that thing is a few hundred thousand doses of flu vaccine. that need to be kept at 41 degrees. while being shipped to a country where it s 90 degrees. in the shade. sound hard? yeah. does that mean people in laos shouldn t get their vaccine? we didn t think so. from figuring it out to getting it done, we re here to help. big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars. hauled a bunch of steel. kept the supermarket shelves stocked. made sure everyone got their latest gadgets. what s up for the next shift? ah, nothing much. just keeping the lights on. (laugh) nice. doing the big things that move an economy. see you tomorrow, mac. see you tomorrow, sam. just another day at norfolk southern. look! this is the new asian inspired broth bowl from panera bread. that noise! panera broth bowls should be slurped with gusto! to explore further order online or visit your neighborhood panera bread. a week ago today, former secretary of state hillary clinton announced that she would be running for the democratic nomination in next year s presidential elections. it brings me to my question of the week. who was the last secretary of state to be elected president? james madison, james buchanan, john quincy adams, or martin van buren? stay tuned and we ll tell you the correct answer. this week s book of the week is david brooks the road to character. i told you about it earlier. he makes his very important points about life through ten richly told biographies. it s a wonderfully written book that will make you think deeply. really a must read. and now for the last look. the secret service protects president obama. the queen s guard safeguards britain s royal palaces. the swiss guards work to keep pope francis safe. who would have thought a rhinoceros would need similar protection. meet sudan. he s the last male northern white rhino on the planet, and he s under 24-hour protection by rangers, armed guards, and an electric fence in a kenyan conservancy. sudan and his two female companions are three of the last five members of this species in the entire world. this is especially tragic considering rhinos, often called the last dinosaurs, have been on the planet for 50 million years. the rangers are in place to stop poachers from killing sudan and his lady friends. with earth day just around the corner, these rhinos are a stark reminder that humans threaten the planet in many ways. thanks to us, sudan s cousins, the western black rhinoceros, will never walk the earth again. the javan tigers won t either, just as the baiji river dolphin will never grace our waters. saving these rhinos and other animals from extinction isn t about cute animals or tree hugging. biodiversity is considered crucial to human health, from medical implications to providing food to air and water purification. the list goes on, and the world wildlife fund says half of the earth s wildlife has been lost in the past 40 years. as harvard university professor edward wilson says about ants, we need them to survive, but they don t need us at all. the correct answer to the gps challenge question is, b. all four presidents listed were former secretaries of state, but james buchanan was the last one taking office in 1857. if hillary clinton takes office in 2017, 160 years after buchanan, she will be the seventh secretary of state to do so. thomas jefferson, the country s first secretary of state, became america s third president, and the one not mentioned so far was james monroe. thanks to all of you for being part of my program this week. i will see you next week. good morning. i m brian stelter and it s time for reliable sources and it s been a busy, messy, tro controversial types for media types. a lot for us to talk about this morning. new information on brian williams suspension. he s sort of emerged from exile this week with a puppy in hand. it made the cover of the new york post. could this be the start of an image rehab. and dr. oz under the microscope again for the medicine he prescribes on his show. now he s getting ready to respond to doctors who are trying to have his university credentials revoked. we have new information about his plans. and, you know, the most viral moment for media this week came from an unlikely