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The Beat With Ari Melber

they didn't achieve the objective is of no -- it doesn't mean anything. >> neal? >> basically i think donald trump is in deep doo-doo, a technical term. you have new people subject to the indictment and new charges. we already knew two people were indicted and now there's two more people. oliviera has been charged and tavares, as you just noted, hasn't been charged. so what's going on here? first of all, the prosecutors had done this superseding indictment, which is an updated set of charges and it's just replacing the old set of charges with the new up-to-date information. that's something prosecutors do routinely when they have new

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The Beat With Ari Melber

lawyer that walt nauta had. and so what happens here is that that lawyer was helping them both realized he had a conflict of interest, these two defendants may have adverse interests and that's what led tavares to get another lawyer. it was actually a lawyer thick in it representing another defendant. and once tavares got a new lawyer, then all of a sudden his story changed. and that's what this new preceding indictment is about, the fact that tavares has now come before and has said something very different about the deletion of evidence. so that's why i think it's so significant. with respect to georgia, you're absolutely right. donald trump has tried every trick in the book to try and get this prosecutor, fanni willis removed. it went up to the supreme court and then today they refiled it and lost it again, another

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The ReidOut

tavares in the superseding indictment about deleting the video servers. let me read from the indictment. told taveras that he want, that trump, the boss, wanted the server deleted. employee four responded he would not know how to do that and did not believe he would have the rights to do that. employee four told him that he would have to reach out to another employee who's a supervisor of security for trump's business operation. organization. he then insisted to trump employee four that the boss wanted the server deleted and asked what are we going to do. we now know, lisa, that this trump employee four, tavares, he got a target letter. he previously got a target letter in the classified documents probe. does that tell you all of these low level employees are being interviewed by the fbi and they

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The ReidOut

have a choice as glenn just said. be a witness to the government but you're about to get indicted. >> you know, we don't have formal proof that tavares is officially a signed up cooperator or that he made a deal with prosecutors but joy, it looks like that's what happened. we know he went in, spoke to the grand jury in may. then trump and nauta were indicted. for him, that seems like it was the pivot point. it was there after that tavares according to public reporting, decided he had quote, more information than he wanted to give to investigators. we also know from public reporting that it was at that point that it was decided that he needed some form of independent counsel. he does have that counsel or at least had it when he spoke to investigators and we know from public reporting that that counsel is not being paid for by save america, the trump

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The ReidOut

leadership pac, that has spent $40.2 million in the last month on trump's legal expenses. my expectation is seeing trump and nauta's name on the other side of tavares, that was enough. plus the target letter to get him to at least come to the table and tell more of his truth to investigators and whether or not he's formally cooperating remains to be scene. >> this is where it gets juicy. to the point lisa made. we know there's a guy made john irving representing de oliveira. stanley woodward, he's representing walt nauta and also, ding, ding, tavares. there's all these people representing multiple people but now we've got one more filing today. glenn. special counsel turned over the third production of discovery to trump and nauta including all of

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Ayman

grand jury subpoena requests for that footage. according to the indictment, on june 27th 2022, after some phone tag between trump, nauta, and de oliveira walked to the i. t. office at mar-a-lago and requested that he and an unnamed trump employee, the works resorts director of i.t., could talk. well, the two men then went inside a closet and that's when carlos de oliveira told the employee that the conversation should, quote, remain between the two of them and carlos olivia then asked the employee than how long the -- a believed it was approximately 45 days, give or take. and then in a move, honestly, straight out of a monster movie, carlos olivia told the employee that the boss wanted the server deleted. the employee raised concerns

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Ayman

mar-a-lago's i.t. employee -- tavares and tells him, quote, the boss wants the surveillance server deleted. and later that afternoon, trump calls de oliveira, and the to speak for approximately three and a half minutes, and it's these actions that result in most of the rest of the charges that are laid out in the superseding indictment. that trump allegedly worked with his employees to try to delete security footage from being reviewed by investigators. and in early august of 2022, the doj seeks a warrant to search mar-a-lago, and once again granted fbi agents conduct a search of mar-a-lago, removing 27 boxes and several other document collections containing 11 sets of classified material. on november 18th 2022, attorney general merrick garland announces jack smith will serve as a special counsel to lead the classified documents probe. fast forward to june 8th of this year, smith's federal

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Velshi

prepared speakers. i would say the same to de oliveira and to the same guy, tavares. donald is not going to protect you, donald is like first avenue. one way, and loyalty for donald only goes one way. he will use, you know he will throw you debus, and by the time that you get sworn under the bus it is too late already, the feds, long enforcement, our office, they are fantastic. they have everything. they know everything. and the case does not start and stop with the deal of era, with, tavares with nauta. it doesn't start and stop with, them they have testimony from dozens of people. they have documentary evidence, text messages. they even have it on signal. >> they just need a little extra from these guys, but they've got it whether deal vera or nauta give it to. them >> if the feds got minister asking you questions you should start flipping like if you're part of the u.s. dynastic's team. he is not going to protect you

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CNN Newsroom With Jim Acosta

but tavares went a different way. how big a problem is this for trump? is this a possible break in the dam? >> well, it is somebody who, you know, it's the first person that we've heard of that has come in to give eyewitness testimony that's directly contradictory to donald trump's story. now, that being said, he's also not able to point the finger directly at donald trump. you know, he's pointing the finger at carlos and saying carlos said this. but that's not something that can even really be used to show that donald trump said it. so it is, you know, the first instance of a so-called cooperating witness that we've seen in this case. >> i want to move on to another part of the superseding indictment. that is the fact that they added another document, another charge of willful retention. this document is significant because this is the one that is allegedly mentioned in that recording. what is your reaction to the fact that this has been added now in a superseding indictment? >> it's similar to what i said earlier. it's surprising to me that it's been added now.

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CNN Newsroom With Jim Acosta

so many of them, you know, just use that phrase. so they would have to actually make the connection that he actually communicated that to carlos. so i don't think that they're going to be able to sustain their burden as to others, even if they do have that employee come in and say, yes, you know, carlos said this to me. >> this is the obstruction of the obstruction, right? so we have a lot of obstruction alleged here. what is your assessment of the overall obstruction case here? >> the video that we're talking about here, the surveillance video is something that when the subpoena came in, you know, we advised, you know, turn it over. and, you know, it was turned over, and it was something that was kind of surprising to us at the time of why were they even looking at this because the deletion of footage, doj had all the footage. so they knew that there was nothing missing. but it really then is going to be a question of what is on that footage. you know, the same thing i told you when the indictment first

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