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The Media Show

about the daily mail, you know, since being elected with such a huge majority less than three years ago, the right—wing papers, as we would call them, the right of centre — you know, the telegraph, where boris obviously was a very highly paid columnist for a long time, the mail — all of those papers, were all so, so positive about boris — and the sun, actually — until i think there's been such a drip of stories, again, following the news, that it's been quite difficult for them to keep slavishly supporting somebody who. .. we've had several examples of the public feeling that maybe this sort of... you know, whatever you think of boris, he'd sort of been elected — you know, that they had started to lose faith and trust. they were booing him at thejubilee celebrations. so it becomes a story. by the way, it was the bbc and the sun, wasn't it? i think ione wells, as well as the sun... you're quite right.

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The Media Show

different publications, whether it's the daily telegraph or the mail or the sun, how do we assess the relationship between the readers, the editor and the owner in establishing, first of all, an original position, but also deciding when that position needs to shift, as we've evidently seen in some cases in the last fortnight? i think... obviously... michael's right, the sort of declining power of the press we've been talking about that for decades. however, the front page of a paper and the way that a paper writes about a big political story like this is massively important. still to this day, it dictates the broadcast agenda the next day and, in fact, the social media agenda. you know, you only have to google... you only have to look at the daily mail and boris on twitter. and it's... you know, it's nearly always trending. i would slightly disagree. ithink, again, michael's right. you know, when boris

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or are the problems thatjames is describing, where untruths are being briefed to the press, perhaps that is a problem specific to the current operation in number 10? well, i mean, i'm not, you know, involved in reporting the news on a day—to—day basis these days. but i don't see that the system needs to change. ijust think that the culture needs to change. and you probably need a clearout, not only of the prime minister and his political aides, but probably some of the civil servants in number 10 as well. and you need to get back to a system where it is understood that you don't go around telling lies tojournalists, a, because it's morally wrong and, b, because it's going to get you into trouble. and you probably need a culture where people are much more willing to turn around and say, "well, boris — or prime minister — is that actually true?" and what's happened now is that people have been going out and basically telling lies on behalf of the prime minister, having already done so in previous episodes over the last few months.

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were team boris. and no—one working in newspapers were not aware of borisjohnson�*s... some of those family values that michael talked about, no—one at the daily mail, no—one at those papers were in any doubt about borisjohnson the human being. what i think is different is what we've seen in terms of managing the country — you know, how, actually, he has just told lies to the electorate. and that's where you get a problem because... and this is... i think the mail is where it's really interesting, because when a paper diverges so much from its readership, then you get something which we've had in the last three days, which is the front page of the mail on sunday completely different from the, you know, "actually, boris is the best man to lead britain", and then today, which is the "greased piglet" — "we're trying to hedge our bets." and i should say that number 10 and mrjohnson have

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where boris obviously was a very highly paid columnist for a long time, the mail — all of those papers, were all so, so positive about boris — and the sun, actually — until i think there's been such a drip of stories, again, following the news, that it's been quite difficult for them to keep slavishly supporting somebody who. .. we've had several examples of the public feeling that maybe this sort of... you know, whatever you think of boris, he'd sort of been elected — you know, that they had started to lose faith and trust. they were booing him at thejubilee celebrations. so it becomes a story. by the way, it was the bbc and the sun, wasn't it? i think ione wells, as well as the sun... you're quite right. my colleague ione wells followed up with the original sun story. she broke a further story three or so days later. i'm sure the newspapers you mentioned would push back at the idea they're slavishly

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position, but also deciding when that position needs to shift, as we've evidently seen in some cases in the last fortnight? ithink... obviously... michael's right, the sort of declining power of the press we've been talking about that for decades. however, the front page of a paper and the way that a paper writes about a big political story like this is massively important. still to this day, it dictates the broadcast agenda the next day and, in fact, the social media agenda. you know, you only have to google... you only have to look at the daily mail and boris on twitter. and it's... you know, it's nearly always trending. i would slightly disagree. ithink, again, michael's right. you know, when boris was elected and those papers that backed brexit, it was really significant that the papers absolutely

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Talking Movies

because when a paper diverges so much from its readership, then you get something which we've had in the last three days, which is the front page of the mail on sunday completely different from the, you know, "actually, boris is the best man to lead britain", and then today, which is the "greased piglet" — "we're trying to hedge our bets." and i should say that number 10 and mrjohnson have always denied lying, though they do accept that on several matters, they have said things which weren't true and then have corrected that. we're going to talk about the relationship between the number 10 press operation and the press in a moment with james ball, who's going to join us. but, joeyjones, i'd like to bring you in, because i've been talking about the evolution of the position of certain papers on notjust mrjohnson, but on politics more generally. but do you think there can actually be moments, high impact moments, say — i'm thinking back to michael gove's turning on borisjohnson back in 2016 — that can instantly shift where publications and people sit on a person or an issue? yes.

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but probably some of the civil servants in number 10 as well. and you need to get back to a system where it is understood that you don't go around telling lies tojournalists, a, because it's morally wrong and, b, because it's going to get you into trouble. and you probably need a culture where people are much more willing to turn around and say, "well, boris — or prime minister — is that actually true?" and what's happened now is that people have been going out and basically telling lies on behalf of the prime minister, having already done so in previous episodes over the last few months. and you would have thought that by now, there would be an element of revolt. and it will be interesting to see, when the diaries and memoirs are written, how much revolt there was to being willing to go out on the today programme or newsnight or whatever and come out with this stuff. i have to also say that, in a way, the media is a little bit guilty here, too, in that... and myself... i mean, many of us, probably all of us, heard rumours about chris pincher many years ago, and we didn't follow them up perhaps as assiduously as we should have done because it was complicated and we had to... you know, it was easier to do day—to—day stories. but let's not put the blame entirely on the government.

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it's been sort of incredible. so... and i think the fact that most papers, and i know we're probably going to talk about the daily mail, you know, since being elected with such a huge majority less than three years ago, the right—wing papers, as we would call them, the right of centre — you know, the telegraph, where boris obviously was a very highly paid columnist for a long time, the mail — all of those papers, were all so, so positive about boris — and the sun, actually — until i think there's been such a drip of stories, again, following the news, that it's been quite difficult for them to keep slavishly supporting somebody who. .. we've had several examples of the public feeling that maybe this sort of... you know, whatever you think of boris, he'd sort of been elected — you know, that they had started to lose faith and trust.

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at the daily mail and boris on twitter. and it's... you know, it's nearly always trending. i would slightly disagree. ithink, again, michael's right. you know, when boris was elected and those papers that backed brexit, it was really significant that the papers absolutely were team boris. and no—one working in newspapers were not aware of borisjohnson�*s... some of those family values that michael talked about, no—one at the daily mail, no—one at those papers were in any doubt about borisjohnson the human being. what i think is different is what we've seen in terms of managing the country — you know, how, actually, he has just told lies to the electorate. and that's where you get a problem because... and this is... i think the mail is where it's really interesting,

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