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The Cross Connection With Tiffany Cross

in 1985 in sudan, that was the last major famine. sounding the alarm on familiar -- famine right now. that's the direct impact. one more thing i will add is that, you know, in terms of framing, the one thing i'll add on mr. tedros, half is they don't get subsidies, the other half of the racism, in my view, we shouldn't look at these countries as just areas where atrocities happen. and sudan is a case in point in that, since the coup and struggles being forecasted ahead, there is still a vibrant, sprawling, very inspiring protest movement that is pushing for the same values that we enjoy in western societies where

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that haunts in a way which we can't see. >> it's so true. it haunts in a way that so many people can't see. i had a interesting conversation with a mutual friend of ours who said, even still, one of the cruel is we frame our thinking in what white folks will allow. >> it talked about the personal pain, and also what you've got to do to get past your own trauma. to spoil the scene, because everybody should have scene -- >> do not spoil it for people. the point being this guy says it's going to be okay, it's going to be okay, after he tells them what they have to go through, but it's not going to be okay. summer people will be traumatized. as tim mentioned, you have this idea of a monthly black tax, i don't know if the tax enforcer will be like deebo that shows up, but the idea there will be

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of use of ukraine pows, saying they knee re-education, so a lot of the language being used is genocidal. i think this could do anything about strengthant support, and double down so people understand what is at stake if we continue to see russia's behavior in ukraine. >> to kimberly's point, it's hard to not describe it at genocide, so when you start talking about engaging nuclear weapons, i wonder what it would do to the conflict. i'm curious about your very idea of sending cabinet-level officials to ukraine at such a volatile time. >> we should do that, of course, as a symbol of support to the zelenskyy government, but the possibility of nuclear weapons is truly frightening.

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short-term given the tact that the republicans have taken which is an antiauthoritarianism, antidemocracy authoritarian party, means, tiffany, if there needs to be that sense of concern and globalization because it's true. we've seen this party become radicalized, we've seen this party completely become unfit for the mainstream, and untethered from democracy, and if you turn control of the government over to the control of the government, you are turning over democracy, simple as that. >> we need to make that point to american voters out there because people are exhausted, and terrence, i've looked at a lot of data that hit strategies, keeps in my inbox. you talk to younger voters, and voters across the spectrum. do you feel that sense of urgency from voters this time around. people are exhausted and wipe the sweat from their brow and not planning to participate. what's your take? >> that's exactly right,

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thing, part of my family is the same way. i've got four grandparents, one of whom, great grandparent didn't come after enslavement. he wasn't white in russia. he was just a jew in russia. he comes here, gets to be white and is slotted into the caste system that was slated to rationalize enslavement, though he had no metriclation, he's the part of it. that's the collective piece we need to understand. and we will bargain our way out of it, but it's not convincing if we understand our history. >> that's interesting. i think tim raises a good point. when we talk about whites and whiteness, it's really through the lens of a system, not any individual, a system, and so so many people participate in that system. and benefit from that system. so it's hard to explain that sometimes when people are very defensive about the subject matter. >> and what you have been swimming in it, it's a whole thing. you can't tell a fish you're

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democrats need to convince, to turn out again, and they don't do that by making promises again about what they will do over the next two years. they do that by telling voters the progress they have made in the last two years. >> yeah, you know, i agree. and you know, to that point, a lot of people in the latino community as we've talked about a few times have shifted to voting republican and there was a really interesting piece in the "new york times" a couple of months ago. it was very striking to me, quite honestly to read it, and there was a quote from someone who said our parents came in a certain way. they came in and worked. they became citizens and didn't ask for anything. this is from a 48-year-old rancher, who lives in the rio grande valley. we were raised hard corps democrats but today democrats want to give everything away. just this framing of his thinking is very striking. i made it to the top, so pull up the ladder.

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that doesn't excuse mistakes that may be made, but it's also easy to blemish or damage an organization that's relatively new, and i think it's important for consumers. i think as people read about these stories, and important to understand the difference between how an individual member may be spending their money versus how an organization spends their money. it's important to remember the skepticism we have about black lives matter, do we hold that scrutiny to other organizations. if we find out that black lives matter is engaging in horrible behavior or them or the naacp, i would be upset. that's not what's been revealed so far. what's revealed is you can have disagreements about how money is spent, i don't see corruption as of yet. that's what i think it's important for people to understand. you don't have to like it. it doesn't mean it's wrong. >> if you're so quick to hop off the band wagon at this point, were you looking for an excuse to escape. there were two npr reporters who

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textbooks over this boogieman of crt, and outlaw a woman's right to choose. that's the next step that's coming. we make that case, the american voters like they did in 2018 and 2020 i think will vote en masse against this maga radical republican movement. >> you make a good point. so many people have checked out, and they have exhaustion after four years of trump. lucy, i want to bring you back in the fold, i was really yet again unsurprised, yet outraged at the tweets that were just unearthed between congressman mike lee and chip roy where, i mean, essentially we'll put them on the screen for you to see. mike lee was texting mark meadows, and they were somewhat celebratory almost of the insurrection and just some of this language was quite frightening. they seem to be aiding, eventually they changed course

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living in water. i've been my way this whole life, what are you talking about. when you talked about empathy. >> you said i was sneering. >> i can empathize with white people, i didn't do anything individually. individually i have tried to make amends of the mistake my people have done. collectively, i understand that frustration, but at the same time that's not the majority of white america. the majority is like marshal, i'm this mushy middle, i'm not a terrible guy, but i haven't done anything about it either, and sorry, sometimes people have to deal with the changes and consequences even if you're not individually responsible. >> tim has made this point many times in his writings and appearances. you're explaining how what my grandmother went through, and how that influences the wealth i have not been able to build, and how it is systemic challenges that ripple through time and generations that we're still dealing with, and part of the episode is we're releasing the

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child less safe in school, your right to choose in danger, to up end the will of voters and send fake electors to put a trump or josh hawley or ted cruz or ron desantis in office, we need to tell those stories of the way the nut jobs have infiltrated every level of our american government. >> i think that's such a powerful point. a lot of this is coming from state legislatures. thank you for bringing that up. the frightening story that cnn broke between the text messages of mike lee and chip roy. thank you so much for joining us this hold day weekend. appreciate this fiery and interesting conversation. coming up don't go anywhere, more of "the cross connection" is coming up right after the break. stay with us. oming up right afte break. stay with us

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