characteristics about rex tillerson that donald trump views at positives are things that have john mccain concerned. he said he wants answers about the connection to the russian government. i have concerned over his reports of relationships with vladimir putin who is a thug and a murderer. we will have hearings on that issue and other issues concerning him. that is the time to make up your mind. what kind of questions would you ask rex tillerson? his view of vladimir putin, his role in the world, and the leader of the opposition was murdered on the orders, i believe, of vladimir putin and the shadow of the kremlin. the deal that he did in 2011 is estimated to be worth half of a trillion dollars. so you know these are enormously large deals. a reflection of that that was putin in 2012 awarded him the order of friendship, one of the highest civilian honors in russia. tillerson has also spoken out against sanctions in russia and that may be essential in understanding his tenure. that s a good point, comments he made not that long ago. i preesh the reporting tonight, thank you so much. let s go now to buck, a former cia counter terrorism analyst. let s dive into this, this is exactly in your lane. as someone that formally worked with the agency, you know it well, it is not a political mission, does the attack on the voracity bother you? no, i think it shows that he is irritated with the leaks. in the statement he attacked them on the biggest failure. i think it is not right for people who are speaking with reporters, there will be a point of view held by the entirety that s not true at all. there are a lot of people with different views. they go all of the way up to the white house, the oval office, so morale. in a week trump went even remember he said it. does it bother you? it s not how i would do it, but i think he should be given some deference. i do not think it is professional for someone in the intel community to be speaking to reporters on the president elect. at the end of the statement, the trump team says it s now time to move on. is it time to move on or is it time to dig in as the next president and figure out who in russia is doing what and to what effect? the reality of russia in interfering in our election is different between this is something russia should not be doing, there should be a lip lowmatic approach i m just saying this is what i think should happen now in response to what russia did. there is an entire narrative that all of these things came together. the pbi director, fake news, russian interference, and people need to move beyond that. should russia be allowed to hack it? no, what are we do doing to do? and the russian government has no idea? it s very complicated. you re saying the kremlin has no idea about the hacking going on? i don t know, does putin, someone a few levels below putin, and how much are we willing to do in response to all of this. that is a legitimate discussion. i have to leave it there, buck, thank you. coming up, donald trump is not in the white house yet, but as we just debated, he is locking horns with the cia. you re live here in the cnn news room. the answer is 8. bottom line, life is hard. that s why godaddy created website builder. it makes creating a website.easy. build an awesome mobile-friendly, website. and it s free to get started. plus with the money you save, you can hire a math tutor. get your free trial of godaddy website builder now! at godaddy.com when are they leaving? grilled cheese and campbell s tomato soup go together like grandchildren and chaos. made for real, real life. the possibility of a flare was almost always on my mind. thinking about what to avoid, where to go. and how to deal with my uc. to me, that was normal. until i talked to my doctor. she told me that humira helps people like me get uc under control and keep it under control when certain medications haven t worked well enough. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened; as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. before treatment, get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you ve been to areas where certain fungal infections are common, and if you ve had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don t start humira if you have an infection. raise your expectations. ask your gastroenterologist about humira. with humira, control is possible. my budget used toespecially downer. around the holidays. i made a list of everyone we need to get gifts for this year. but thanks to fingerhut.com, we can shop over 700,000 items from brands like samsung, kitchenaid and lego. all with low monthly payments. just click on over to fingerhut.com for the credit you deserve to get all kinds of great gifts. 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he said he is more than a businessman, this is a job for a diplomat. someone with a sophisticated opinion on these matters. he was very close, he got the russian order he is down with russia, but for the global rand sk landscape, rebuilding information and iraq, these are questions for a sophisticated person with a general understanding. he barely believes in science. she a dangerous and holy unqualified he came out, he said our stance was man made. he supports the paris agreement, and she a big proponent of free trade. how do they square all of those differences. he is taking heat from other conservatives. they need to be in favor. they have been a leader and i think it is different than what they characterized him as. one of the reasons that donald trump has been looking at him is that one, he is not a politician. he had a lot of politicians be in this role and some of them have not been very successful. i think he understands diplomacy. one example of that is russia. john mccain s statement he made earlier today said we re going to ask him to look at this at confirmation. i think it is a very, very fair question that john mccain brought up. ultimately, this is someone that knows how to work with foreign laiders. donald trump wants people around him to go out and do what donald trump wants them to do. the counter point is that half a trillion dollar oil deal is not the same as negotiating with russia about a cease fire in aleppo. my point is. he said he was making a plan he is not trying to bring up the right guy. many t is scene that you have been, and trying to negotiate a cease fire, or trying to draw down troops. trying to help the iraqi army. only a politician can do that, john. hots can do the job. so give him a chance. but by your logic, anyone can do the job. i m not saying that is not true, he has been dealing with things i have to wrap it up, guys. guys, thank you both very much, i suppose we should give the trump team a chance to make their pick, this has not been the pick yet. thank you very much to you both, have a good weekend. coming up next, starbucks visionary ceo is stepping down. why? 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we have worked together on the board and for almost ten years now. in that period, we basically have co-authored the long-term strategy of the company. i also think with great humility that his skill base is better suited to run on a going forward basis than myself. why? his experience with regard to a global enterprise, how customer facing technology plays a huge role in our future, and i m not leaving. i m around to help, support, coach, whatever i can but you re not going to hover you said? no, i made mistakes at a different time in my life, but i m ready, more than ready, to hand over the reins. so you have some venti sized shoes to fill. how much will be your own footprint, how much of it will be howard. you have a ton of experience, how do you build on what howard built? we co-authored the strategy. i realize that i m not howard. i m kevin. so i m going to lead in an authentic way, and i think i had the opportunity to get to know the management team, i have worked in every part of this country. i believe in the strategy and i know that i have to be authentic in my lift. one of the things that howard has done that set him apart was using his voice on social issues, guns, gay rights, politics, will you do the same? i think the mission of the country, that is an authentic mission. if we see something that we think we can help make positive social impact on, we re not afraid to take a stand and to have a voice in doing it in a constructive and helpful way. that is part of the fabric of the country and i don t see that changing. you said recently i wanted to build a company my father never got to work for. did you achieve that? i think so. but i don t think he lived to see it. he was a blue collar uneducated army vet. he had a series of because jobs and over his life became bitter and angry that he was not respected in the workforce. in many ways that was a time in america where blue collar workers didn t get benefits they deserved. he lost his health care. yeah, so i wanted to build a company that would respect and dignify everyone regardless of their station in life. so e why, i think i have done tha that. what about people at home thinking wow, my livelihood is being replaced slowly by machines and robots, what s the future for them in america s workforce? if you look at the 300,000 partners that wear the apatrol, we re demonstrating that we can have jobs that people can come and contribute to, and we will pay for their college education. so finding ways so show the empathy and the respect and help people deal with that chance what we re about. you said given the state of this country there is a need to help those left behind. what will you do? you have done a lot of social impact from the ceo seat. we clearly view the fact that we have stores in almost every community in america and have an understanding of what is happening in cities across the country. i will give you two examples. we have a significant homeless problem in seattle and around the country. just the past week, we announced we ll make a significant contribution in terms of money and resources to try and create housing for homeless. in addition to that, there is a large number of people that are hungry every night and go to bed without food if is a cause for humanity. i think we continue to look for ways to leverage our scale for good, and i think not do anything that would be disrespectful to the president-elect, and not do anything that would in any way derail the support and confidence from one group to another based on the fact that we want to help those in need and we think there is an opportunity and responsibility we have for our people. you supported hillary clinton, and you wrote a letter saying you were shocked by the outcome of the election. you say it was a display of bigotry, hate, and i did visiveness. since then you said it is our responsibility to give him an opportunity to govern and come together. have you seen encouraging signs? 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how important this process is, to getting confirmation, as we saw what happened in 1986. more importantly, i think he took head on a lot of the critics and criticism of decisions that he s made and votes he s cast. and i thought in particular, with cory booker becoming historic, you saw the first sho for the 2020 democratic nomination for president. let s just put that on the table. certainly, that s part of the drama and theater of what he chose to do. but i also found it somewhat ironic that just in january of 2016, in legislation that he co-sponsored with mr. sessions, that celebrated those who walked from walked the selma mile, if you will, that he referred to him as it was a great honor to work with him and that he appreciated his commitment to civil rights. and yet now sees him as he referred to him as a danger with danger to our country, as he s been quoted to say. the politics is not lost here. i think everyone in this town understands that. and to have this staged the way it was with the civil rights community, those who were supportive of mr. sessions versus those who were against mr. sessions, first time i ve seen that kind of play out this way. i thought that was dramatic and very effective. michael steele, thank you. don t go anywhere. you re not getting off that easy because i m going to have you react to what we just witnessed in the past hour. to our viewers joining us, the top of the 2:00 p.m. hour here on the east coast, welcome. we are juggling and continue to juggle many different events. we just saw the wrap-up of the sessions hearing. we saw we all witnessed on live televisionnbsolutely extraordinary press conference by the president-elect, his first since july. and earlier our day started with germany would have done and did do. as far as hacking, i think it was russia. russia will have much greater respect for our country when i m leading it than when other people have led it. if putin likes donald trump, guess what, folks, that s called an asset not a liability. turns out that collection was just on the one topic of russia and vladimir putin. michael, a lot of people who do what you do for a living, have been around the process, were a little shaken by what they saw today on so many fronts, bumping up against not just tradition but precedent. we had a former ethics lawyer in the obama administration come on the air with us today who said that what he heard, quote, guarantees scandal, corruption and controversy for at least the first part of the trump ramifications of what he s about to do and whether or not he s listened to that. the lawyers may have advised it, but they re ultimately going to take to heart the orders that their client gives them in terms of how he wants this stuff structured and how he intends to deal with it. so, yeah, i think there s going to be a lot of legal challenges. the question on the legal side is who has standing to bring any lawsuits against donald trump to force his hand on some of this stuff. that s one thing. but i still think the underlying ethical perception is one that will create the biggest to turn for the incoming administration. at the end of the day, that eats at the american people a lot more than anything else. and for an administration that s talking about cleaning swamps and being transparent and wanting to do all these things, it starts with this, i think. michael steele, thank you. as we always thank you for being patient with us and sharing your opinions with us. before we go to kristen welker, who was in the room, it s been a while since we ran through just what it is tha donald trump said on all these topics, so if you ll forgive me, this may hopscotch, as the event did. starting with a lot of car companies are going to be moving in. he meant moving into the united states, moving jobs in or, in some cases, back to the united states. our drug industry has been disastrous. they are getting away with murder. he called himself perhaps the greatest job producer that god ever created. he talked about this intelligence leak as something nazi germany would do. he called the website buzzfeed a failing pile of garbage. in a shouting match with jim acosta from cnn called cnn fake news. about senator lindsey graham, republican of south carolina, quote, he s going to crack that 1% barrier some day. about the ability of turned down a $2 billion deal with dubai. i have no conflict of interest provision as president. quote, i d be the only one who would be able to do that. and on and on on obamacare, a disaster. it s going to be replaced simultaneously, perhaps, the same hour with its replacement. he talked about the wall with mexico. said we re going to build a wall. don t feel like waiting. that was to explain that mexico will reimburse the united states for the cost of the wall. well, kristen welker, you were the only one among us in the room for that event. dy get it about right? reporter: you did. i think you got the list very right. pretty impressive because he certainly did cover a lot. to kind of underscore the point you re making, this was a candidate who was in a constant state of battle. i think what we saw today is be improved. so, i think this was a wide-ranging press conference. it covered a number of issues. but there s still a lot to drill down on as he s just about nine days out from inauguration, brian. kristen, we had immediately following the event you were making your way out to the camera position where you are now on fifth avenue. we had the attorney nor eisen onhe air, former ethics lawyer for president obama. i was so struck by his quote. i wrote it down. he said what he heard today guarantees scandal, corruption and controversy. and you heard our discussion with michael steele. is it possible that donald trump, who after all, hired a prominent attorney from the d.c. firm jones day to be his white house counsel, and can get all and any of the legal advice he pleases right now as president-elect, is it possible he is getting that bad advice that would make him lay out a business agreement that is now open to challenge and could enshroud the start of his presidency in controversy? reporter: well, i think that we re in unchartered territory because we ve never had a president who has also overseen a vast business empire. so, you heard the pushback. you heard his attorney there prebutt any critic who would say, why isn t he fully divesting himself from his business interests? in other words, leaving no shred of a doubt there could be no conflict of interest. the response to that is that he would still be, if he, in fact, divested himself, getting money in some way, shape or form. i think there s still a lot of thor questions around tt and also around the fact that his business interests are going to now go to his adult sons. and will that not present conflicts of interests in and of themselves? that s going to be a case-by-case basis, brian. absolutely, this is something that is going to be open to intense scrutiny over the next four years and in these days leading up to the inauguration. we re now going to have to drill down specifically on what his team of attorneys said today and whether or not it actually stands up to legal statute. those are some of the key questions. a lot of critics saying, well, having his kids run his businesses doesn t necessarily get rid of the conflicts of interests. it just compounds some of the really tough questions. you heard him at the end, though, ending on that very striking note, pointing to the pack of manila folders next to him saying, this underscores just how complicated my business empire is. i m hoping my sons do a good job of running this. if not, they re fired. reminding everyone at the heart of this, he is, in fact, a businessman. kristen, welker, thank you for that assessment outside trump tower. for those who did not see the event, on just the subject of conflicts potential conflicts of interests, here is part of what donald trump had to say on that front. i have a no-conflict situation because i m president, which is i didn t know about that until about three months ago, but it s a nice thing to have. i have a no-conflict of interest provision as president. it was many, many years old. this is for presidents because they don t want presidents understand, they don t want presidents getting tangled up in minutia. they want a president to run the country. i can actually run my business and run government at the same time. we actually have a lawyer standing by to talk to us on this front. greta vis watching this with us. what do you make of that? it s very complicated because he has many business arrangements. we all knew when he was elected he s a businessman. that s not a disqualifier to be president. he just has to be 35 years of age. it s going to be difficult. sometimes it s going to be thorny and get a lot of criticism, but if he has transparency of it and let the american people know and if he follows the law to the letter of the law and he has lawyers carefully monitoring this, that s okay. but even if he does everything perfectly fine and does everything to the letter of the law, you can expect, this is washington, he will be criticized by his political opponents. make no mistake about it, this is complicated, but i think everybody has to be practical in the sense that he can t just sell all his assets and move into 1600 pennsylvania avenue. what is when you hear the ethics lawyer for the obama administration say to us this quote i ve been repeating that this guarantees scandal, corruption and controversy. what about the advice donald trump is getting potentially opening the door to an early time in his administration just enshrouded in all of this? what you said is ethics ethics adviser for the obama administration, that s the first key that this has highly risk of being political. highly risk of being political. anybody who walks in that white house has the potential for scandal. it may not be business. it can be a whole lot of other things. that seems to be one of the most popular industries here in washingtwatc washington, d.c., is scandal. there s potential for it, of course there is. one thing my attention is on is not something he does during the four years in the immediate scandal but is there a risk he makes any decision now with an eye on the fifth year or the ninth year when he ll be back out as a citizen and making business decisions, is there any any decision he makes right now will in any way influence something down the road? but, you know, he was elected president. i think the fair thing to do is cut him a break on the issue of this. he s got lawyers. assuming those lawyers are decent and honorable. and we re going to have to sort of sort our way through this. without any question, this should be subject to very, very strict scrutiny. not just today but every step of the way. gret tashgs thanks. we ll watch your broadcast for yo coverage of the event we all witnessed today. ali velshi remains in our studios here in new york. when he says, i have this no conflict of interest thing. this is interesting. we need to sort of step back from thinking about conflict of interest as just a legal phenomenon. there are all sorts of conflicts of interests because i m makinging a decision that seems to be in the interest of one party or a large party but, in fact, i might be benefitting from that. his whole way of perceiving this is odd. there are people who will say, if you have the ability to profit, as greta says, later on, or if your sons have the ability to profit from something, that is a conflict and some of that is perceived. the idea we re standing and listening to sheri dillon, his lawyer from morgan lewis, his lawyer for a long time, by the way, having her explain that it s not a conflict doesn t actually make it not a conflict. i take exception to something greta said, while i welcome her to the family, he can sell his businesses. it may be hard. it may be unwieldy. it may be difficult. but this is the presidency of the united states. this isn t a side job. when he continues to say that, there s some sense he s not necessarily fully accepting the gravity of what he ran very hard to do and got. this is difficult and it s complicated, to be president of the united states. if he wanted to sell his things, he could. if he wanted to put them in a blind trust, he could. he s not doing that and that s the problem. i keep hearing this defense that we knew what we were getting into, in effect. we knew we were hiring donald trump to be president of the united states i agree with that. i agree the people in many cases the people he often refers to in those industrial states who referred to him, don t care a bit about this discussion we re talking about right now. if he brings jobs back, if he raises wages, if he gets a result that gets us better economic growth, this becomes an ivory tower conversation. let s do a thinghey teach you in tv school and that is reference the video that is airing on the screen right now. that solitary man is the ceo of exxonmobil, rex tillerson, for the purposes of our conversations today, he has been nominated as the next secretary of state to the united states. imagine his timing, his hearing starts today. overnight last night americans and that includes members of the house and senate, got to kind of chew on a potentially explosive story, knocked down vigorously today by donald trump, about information that russia may possess on donald trump that would be greatly compromising to him on a personal, financial and political basis. we thought we would bring a guest of high esteem to our studio to help us talk about the relationship between the united states and russia, thomas pickering, former u.s. ambassador to russia under president clinton, 1993 to 1996. among his jobs, on behalf of this country, ambassador, welcome. thank you. good to see you again. it s nice to be back. what s the i always call it the viewer s guide. what do we need to know about russia, about our relationship to russia and what, if anything, set you off today listening to donald trump on this? e need to know t relationship is troubled, that there is- at this point there is some afemoral relationship between donald trump and vladimir putin. that might change things. it s not impossible. vladimir putin may be in the mood to change, having not progressed very far with the projects he s now undertaken, but we don t know. the evidence on the compromise, the piece of information that is, in fact, out there that seems to be collected by the russians with the potential of having influence on donald trump is not yet verified. the u.s. intelligence community has been careful about that. and, indeed, we haven t seen after perhaps a couple of months of trying in washington that any of the press has come up with anything that says this is the real mccoy. so, trump is saying what he normally would say under these circumstances. it s fake news. we don t know how this is going to play out. we do know two things that are very important. one, russia is a very important country for us that possesses a nuclear power that could destroy us and we them and the two of us the globe. it s not a fooling around matter. the second and most important thing i would say is, the intelligence community should not be a punching bag. the intelligence community is a serious bunch of very able people. i ve known many of them over the years and have great respect for them. and they do a very tough job very well. and when 16 or 17 agencies agree, and this was on the prior material, then it s time to pay attention to them and not time to turn them into a virtual reality tv show. but get on with governance, which is something i ve been saying. governance is a very tricky problem. ali velshi just said it s hard stuff, and i couldn t agree with him more. this is the toughest job in the world. and it isn t, in my view, a job you can turn into a virtual reality tv show as much as we might want to have that entertainment coming our way. mr. ambassador, i m not crazy to put it another way. we re sitting here looking at guy who s been nominated for secretary of state, in part, because of his relationship with russia and putin. and i m not crazy in that we have heard people suddenly bending over backwards to normalize the idea of vladimir putin and russia. we need to be careful. i have the greatest respect for rex tillerson, and i have watched him in action, not close up, but from time to time. but i also think it s very important that as we deal with russia, we have to know we re not going to agree on everything all the time, but we also have to know there are some things we can come to agreement with them on as we did the soviet union, which is to stabilize the international situation so that people with, put it this way, trigger fingers are very careful about what they do on both sides of that divide. and i lived through the cuban missile crisis as a young diplomat. and i was worried. a lot of us were very worried. we don t want to be back in that kind of unstable, uncertain situation where individuals on both sides n one way or another, are threatening. it is not a useful way to proceed and not something that i think we want or the russians want. so, it is time to reach out. president-elect trump do that? i don tow. there is an openingere a i would be silly to denigratet. but at the same time, i think it requires smarts, stability and sensitivity. and those demands are very real and very important for the next president of the united states. ambassador, thank you. thank you, brian. thank you very much. to our viewers, we are going to be heading back into the hearing room after an update from hans nichols over at the pentagon. hans, on the story in chief, this story we first talked to you about yesterday that has been knocking around, depending on your online source. it s been published in great detail or glancing detail. we ve only published as much as our news division is able to confirm. how can you update us on that? well, the important thing about this is being appended to the news briefing trump got. trump was clear he never got a verbal briefing on this. but for those inside the trump organization, the transition team, and there are a lot of them that want to fundamentally reform the intelligence agency, they just got a big argument, brian. for people like general michael flynn, who will be leading the national security counsel, the nsa, for all those that want to fundamentally rethink the way the united states gathers intelligence, they have an argument. they have an argument the cia, fbi, dni, everyone was potentially a little sloppy in getting this report. i was trying to speak to a number of people today. the plans to sort of revise and revamp the intelligence structure haven t been baked in, but there are those within the trump organization, in that transition, that really want to rethink the way it s done. brian, that s why that hearing tomorrow with mike, let s see if he gives any idea on how to rethink the intelligence agency. they have an argument now. now the large standing army in washington as they have just picked a giant fight with a branch of government absolutely essential to the presidency. hans nichols at the pentagon, thanks to our viewers. we are now going to go into the hearing room, listen to the confirmation hearing. this is rex tillerson, nominated to be this nation s next secretary of state. on the other side, at the break, katy tur will be here. can it be effective. looking at your other options as well. i m not dismisses ive of the sanctions you characterized the obama administration as weakness but you re saying you wouldn t necessarily do anything different? in that instance, i would have done something different. military force? show force at the border of the country that already had territy taken from them. american military? no, ukrainian military force supported by the u.s. providing them with capable defensive weapons. if that s not seen across the border, then it s not a show of force. switching gears now. this value of american value of transparency, correct? yes. and accountability in government, correct? yes. i have a concern, it s not a great one, you can allay it right now, that as leader of a private company, you made it clear in many ways that you were first and foremost accountable to shareholders, employees and customers, but as secretary of state, you re accountable to the american public, and would be expected to keep the media, the public, constantly informed of general activities. and i just know that when my staff did a rough calculation of past secretaries, interactions with the press, clinton had over 3,200, kerry had about 3,000. when you were at exxonmobil, it was a far, far smaller number, but i imagine as secretary of state your going you believe in the importance of transparency, of engaging with the public, of answering to the questions that often come from the media? yes. and i indicated in my opening statement that that s part of earning the public trust, also to engage with this committee. that s a way to communicate with the public as well. you will bring press corps with you as you travel oversaes and you will commit to having those regular interactions with the press? if confirmed, i will look into what would be appropriate to take. i have not i have not gotten that far in my thinking. okay. and so you haven t thought through about issues of accountability and transparency? i have thought through issues of accountability and transparency. your question was the size of my press corps, i think. no, it was not. my question was access of the media and public to the work of the secretary of state. we want to ensure at all times, if confirmed, the secretary of state and the state department is fully transparent with the public. that s part of my cment of being truthful and bei you know, holding ourselves accountable as well as others accountable. okay. switching gears. i ll get back to this in the next round of questioning. in fact, i m going to yield back because it s a new line of questioning. that s all i have. okay. i will just as a matter of sharing some information, the supplying of defense lethal defensive support to ukraine at a time when we were only sending used night vision goggles and mres was something that was strongly supported in a bipartisan way on this committee under chairman menendez s leadership. i just want to say that for the record. i didn t view the response to be necessarily in any way outside the norms of what this committee overwhelmingly supported at that time. i m just saying that for information. and i m more than glad to talk more fully about that. so, we re going to start the second round. they re going to be seven-minute rounds. and we re going to go in the same order we began. if senator rich comes in, i would like to be able to give him time since he was around earlier and now has a conflict. with that, i ll send i ll turn to senator cardin again. well, once again, thank you, mr. chairman. first, mr. chairman, in response to senator menendez s questions about lobbying in regards to the iran sanctions act, just to make the record complete, i m going to ask consent to put into the record the lobbying disclosure form from exxonmobil corporation that indicates the approximately $3.4 million was spent on behalf of lobbying the iran sanctions act. i ll put that into the record. without objection. i wanted to be cirman. putting some information into the record. i understand you became chairman while i was talking, but you always have to watch out. without objection. thank you. second thing, mr. tillerson, i want to just underscore a point. we talk about in the office, this has come up several times, and that is, you keep referring to the fact of your concern in regards to the ukrainian sanctions that were imposed against russia for their actions in ukraine that you were concerned that american companies could be at a disadvantage because of europe being treated differently, the grandfather clause, et cetera. and then when we talk about leadership, and it was very true on iran. senator menendez took the leadership on this, that but for the u.s. leadership, we wouldn t have gotten other countries to act. so, if we take the position we re going to the lowest common denominator, we re not going to get anything really done. you talk about being tough and taking tough position, it requires leadership and requires us to be willing to go the extra amount. one last point on this. i agree with senator corker. we ve never had any administration believe that congress should take away their discretion. that is absolutely fact. whether democrat or republican administration, they would rather do away with congress. we understand that. we get it. but you, i assume, understand the advantage we have in america with the separation of branches of government. and it could be helpful to you as our if you re confirmed as our principal negotiator, to have clear directions from congress that you must impose sanctions, must impose nctions, unless you get real progress towards the issues in which those sanctions will be imposed. take advantage of the independent branch of government. work with us. so you can have those strong tools to help america s interests. i m going to take most of my time on this round to go over an issue senator cork and i have been working through. i m not going to spend a lot of time going over some of the issues on tax returns. we ll save that for a different time for our committee because it really involves an internal debate here more so than our nominee. but as a result, i had sent to you 20 questions to answer that are related to the tax issues because we didn t have the tax returns. and before the close of business for asking questions, i will be proposing questions to you related to your tax issues in order to better understand areas i think we need to have information on. we are concerned about the fact i m concerned. i think members of the committee are concerned. that you will have some private interests. you re going to continue to operate a farm. you re going to have a charitable foundation. you have a real estate firm. a real estate partnership. we need to know a little bit more how that operates from the person who s going to be secretary of state. you have trusts thatre being set up and how those payments are paid out over time, we need to have a better understanding of how that operates during your term if you re confirmed as secretary of state. so, that type of information is useful to us. i m still trying to figure out exactly how this trust you re taking restricted stock, and if confirmed, selling it to become or putting cash in rather than restricted stock, but then you are able to withdraw the funds from the trust in the same schedule as, i believe, as the restricted stock would have become actionable. but as a result of that, you re also putting contingencies on your receipts so you can defer the taxes, as i understand, defer taxes for a significant period of time. these are issues that i think we have to have more transparency on, because they re big dollars. $180 million, if i understand, of restricted stock. the tax consequences are about $70 million. these are not types of tools that can be used by average americans. i think we need to know more about those types of issues. we also have concern about making sure that all of your employees have been properly documented and taxes paid. that s a standard issue that s been raised now in confirmation hearings. senator corker and i may not think it s relevant to the final not relevant. determinant to final confirmation but it s relevant for us to have that information before we make answers. i m going to ask you to answer these questions for the record. i hope we ll be able to get the cooperation in a timely way so that the committee can have this information before we re called upon to act on your nomination. you can respond. i m happy to try to answer the areas of concern you have. i indicated that in the original questionnaire, that it s my objective to address concerns you have. you know, i am i m also, though, mindful of privacy issues afforded to every american and privacy issues afforded under individual tax returns. i ll do my best to answer questions you have. but i hope you ll also respect the privacy of myself and my family. in the long-standing privacy of individuals tax returns. i can assure you that that will absolutely be observed, as i had explained to senator corker, much of this information is not even reviewed by members. it s strictly by people who can tell us whether we have a problem or not. i absolutely respect what you re saying. and my full intentions are to fully maintain your legitimate right to privacy. i look forward to following up on that. i thank you for your reply. thank you. just for the edification of the committee, i think it s true that over the last four years, i have worked as the lead republican on foreign relations to ensure that we move candidates out as quickly as possible nominees. i think at every nominations meeting we ve had, that s been stated. and what i ve shared with the ranking member is, we have a tradition here that we are following. this has not been a committee that has asked for tax returns. it s asked for a disclosure form. and just because we were so overwhelmingly helpful with the democratic president s nominees doesn t mean that we want to be changing the standards or unhelpful, if you will, under a republican nominee. so i just have tried to keep things exactly the same. exactly the same. disclosures are exactly the same. and, you know, as far as getting into i ve told senator cardin that if there is a substantial issue we need to look at that would affect senator tillerson excuse me. you don t want to be demoted to that. to nominee tillerson s role, then i m more than glad to look much deeper into it. and if we need to have somebody from the outside do so. but to get into silly got-ya question, not that you ve done that, that s just not what we ve done in this committee. and i hope we will not turn this process into one that turns qualified people away from wanting to serve. again, if there s some substantive issue that we need to pursue and we need to get into some private setting and have someone come in from an accounting firm that really matters as it relates to his ability to not have conflicts as a secretary of state or something like that, i m willing to look at it, as i know he is. asking questions that are not in any way determinant in any way is belittling the committee and a huge change in the protocol and the respect with which we ve dealt with nominees and their privacy. can i just but i thank you for working with me. would you just yield for one moment? i thank you for that. and i can assure you, the disagreement on supplying tax returns has nothing to do with mr. tillerson. it s a discussion we re having. it has not at all delayed any of our operations. i fully expect that i will continue to use whatever means i can to change our committee practices so that we do have our nominees, as many other contest in the senate require, to file tax returns. that s not unique. small business, i ve been told by senator shaheen, requires. second point i would make very quickly, the second point, the ability of the members to ask questions for the record and ask questions of the nominee has pretty well been respected. and i would hope that right would not be diminished. that we have the ability to ask questions of the witnesses in regards to areas that we think are important. no one in any way is trying to diminish that. i know you and i have agreed on a series of questions that will come from the committee itself and mr. tillerson, as i understand it, is going to answer those. i would think absolutely the aarrangement he has with exxon is something that should be fully vetted and everyone here understands that that is going to happen and he s going to make that all forth and has, actually. i would just say, again, we may wish to change our standards four years from now. our most recent secretary of state, as i understand it, as a couple was worth over $1 billion. had all kinds of far-ranging investments. and as a committee, we never tried to force a tax return issue. they filled out the disclosures and we as a committee asked them questions. same thing happened with secretary clinton. so, all i m trying to do is not in any way change the way that we operate because of the outcome of an election. and continue to be that island of bipartisanship as we continue to operate regardless of who wins an election. i m in no way trying to infer that you re attempting to do that. i m just telling you what i m attempting to do. i m attempting to do. i ll turn to senator rubio. mr. tillerson, when we met on monday night, thank you for coming by, i provided you a copy of a bill which was provided in the last congress which i anticipate will be filed in the new congress by senator flake and leahy a remove the travel ban by americans to cuba. if you were confirmed and that bill were to pass congress, can you commit you would advise the president to veto that bill? senator, as to the current status of travel to cuba, that is going to be under discussion with the president-elect. i think he s been fairly clear on his intent that he is going to ask all agencies essentially on day one to do a complete review of recent executive orders and the change of the status of travel to cuba as well as business activities in cuba. so, it would be my expectation that the president would not immediately approve that bill until after that review had occurred because that would be part of a broader view of our posture toward cuba. if he doesn t act on the bill, it would become law without his signature. my question is at this time, you cannot commit to supporting a veto of that bill should it pass? i would support a veto because i don t think we want to change the current status of things until we ve completed that review. that was the question i wanted to get to. if a bill were to pass congress that would remove the u.s. embargo against cuba, and there hasn t been democratic changes on the island of cuba, would you advise the president to veto a bill that lifted the embargo on cuba? if confirmed, yes, i would. can you also commit that you would advise the president to reverse many if not all of the obama administration s cuba regulations andxetive orders regarding cuba thatere recently submitted in 2014? as indicated, i expect a comprehensive review of all those executive orders. from the state department perspective, i would want to examine carefully the cry tia under which cuba was delisted from the list of terrorist nationses for terrorism. and whether or not that delisting was appropriate and whether or not the circumstances which led to that delisting still exist. you do not currently have an opinion at this time as to whether cuba belongs on the list of terror sponsors? i would need to examine all the criteria that were used to make the current determination and then utilizing the expertise of those in the state department, again, informed by the interagency process to look at those criteria that would put cuba back on that list. as i m sure you re aware, there is a dispute between china and japan over the control of the senekaku island change. if china tried to take over island chain with military force, would you have the united states respond with military force? we have long-standing ally commitments with japan and south korea in the area. and i think we would respond in accordance with those accords, which are not a nato-type agreement. but certainly, we have made commitments to japan in terms of a guarantee of their defense. i want to in your opening remarks you referred to human rights. i m glad that you did. and i wanted to walk you through a few examples quickly. i shared with you when we met on monday, a political prisoner database maintained by china contains more than 1400 active records of individuals known or believed to be in detention. do you believe china is one of the world s worst human rights violators? china has serious human rights violations relative to categorizing it against other nations i would have to have more information. but they certainly have serious human rights violations. well, since president rodrigo duterte, the los angeles times reports 500 people have been killed. is-n your view s this the way to conduct an anti-drug campaign? senator, the u.s. and people of the philippines have a long-standing friendship. i think it s important we keep that in perspective in engaging with the government of the philippines, that that long-standing friendship, and they have been an ally and we need to ensure they stay an ally. that s correct, mr mr. tillerson. but my question is about the 6200 people killed in these alleged drug raids. do you believe that that is an appropriate way to conduct that operation or do you believe that it is something that s conducive to human rights violations we should be concerned about and condemning? senator, if confirmed, again, it s an area i would want to understand in greater detail in terms of the facts on the ground. i m not disputing anything you re saying because i know you have access to information that i do not have. this is from the los angeles times. well, again, i m not going to rely on solely what i read in the newspapers. i will go to the facts on the ground. i m sure there s good, credible information available through our various government agencies. one of the sources for that number in the campaign and its nature is president duterte himself who openly brags about the people being shot and killed on the streets who he has determined are drug dealers without any trial. so, if, in fact, he continues to brag about it, would that be reliable information you would look at and say, okay, it s happening? i mean, what s happening in the philippines is not an intelligence issue. it s openly rerted, multiple press accounts, the president-elect has spoken about it, and, quite frankly, the president of the philippines has admitted to it and, in fact, brags about it. my question is, in your opinion, is that an appropriate way for him to act and should it influence our relationship with the philippines? if the facts are, in fact, supportive of those numbers and those actions, then i don t think any of us would accept that as a proper way to deal with offenders, no matter how agr egregious the offenders may be. i m sure your aware of lack of rights of women in saudi arabia. in your view, is saudi arabia a human rights violator? saudi arabia does not share the same values as america. i think the question is, what is the pace of progress that should be expected for the kingdom of saudi arabia to advance advance rights to women and others in the country. as it currently stands, do you consider what they do to be human rights violations? i would need more information to make a true determination of that. you re not familiar with the state of affairs for people in saudi arabia, what life is like for women? they can t drive. they have people jailed and lashed. you are familiar with all of that. yes, senator, i m familiar with all of that. so what more information would you need? in terms of when you designate someone or label meone, que is, is that the most effective way to have progress continue to be made in saudi arabia or any other country. so, my interest is the same as yours. our interests are not different, senator. there seems to be some misunderstanding that somehow i see the world through a different lens, and i do not. i share all the same values that you share and want the same things for people the world over in terms of freedoms, but i m also clear-eyed and realistic about dealing in cultures these are centuries long cultural differences. we can t effect them to change. in the many years i ve been traveling to the kingdom, while the pace is slow, slower than any of us wish, there is a change under way in the kingdom of saudi arabia. how and if they ever arrive to the same value system we have, i can t predict that. but what i do believe is, it is moving in the direction that we want it to move. what i wouldn t want to do is to take some kind of a precipitous action that suddenly causes the leadership in the kingdom of saudi arabia to have to interrupt that. i d like for them to continue to make that progress. thank you. senator menendez. thank you, mr. chairman. mr. tillerson, i know that you re new to this and i know the chairman was trying to help you out on the question of lobbingy on sanctions. you stated on the record that to your knowledge neither you nor exxon ever lobbied against sanctions. that you were merely seeking information. i have four different lobbying reports totaling millions of dollars as required bit lobbying disclosure act that lists exxonmobil s lobbying activities on four specific pieces of legislation authorizing sanctions, including the comprehensive iran sanctions accountability and divestment act of 2010, russian aggression act, ukraine freedom act of 2014 and stanford ukraine act. i know you re new to this, but it s pretty clear. my understanding is when you employ lobbyists who submit lobbying forms under the law, you are taking a position. is that not correct? if the form clearly indicates whether we were i don t know i haven t seen the form you re holding in your hand. does it indicate we were lobbying for the sanctions or against the sanctions? i know you weren t lobbying for the sanctions. but well, if the form it says specifically here, specific lobbying issues. russian aggression provisions, energy. you weren t lobbying for sanctions on energy, were you? i think that s a description of the subject that was discussed. and i haven t seen the form, senator, so i don t well, you don t let me just edify for the future. you don t need a lobbying disclosure form to simply seek information and clarification about a bill. that s not lobbying. lobbying specifically is to promote a view, a position, whatnot. so, that s i ask to have these included in the objection. no objection. so, there was lobbying here. i know senator booker asked you about usa engagement. you said you don t know about. but exxonmobil is listed onusa engage, whose whole purpose i m sure while exxon is a huge corporation, like the state department is a big entity, you may not know every minutia what s going on but you have to generally understand you re giving direction whether to lobby on certain positions or not, you want to take certain positions or not. like you told me earlier in your world conversation with the president-elect you didn t discuss russia, it s a little difficult to think you actually don t know that exxon was lobbying on these issues of sanctions. my understanding is those reports are required whether you re lobbying for something or lobbying against something. you re still required to report you have lobbying activity you believe you were paying money to lobby for sanctions? i don t know. can you imagine being in a position where you would have your company and shareholders to lobby for positions that would affect your bottom line? i don t know, senator. it would depend on the circumstance. let me turn to mexico, a little different part of the world than we have been discussing. some of us care about the western hem sphere. the president-elect stated any wall spent on the wall will be paid by mexico. vk mexico pay for it s be a hall mark chant at trump rallies. now he says the american people will pay for it and have mexico reimburse us. the last time a country tried to wall itself completely from a neighbor was in berlin in 1961. and that wall was constructed by communist east germany. former mexican president last week tweeted that somehow we are conducting foreign policy by tweets these days, that trump may ask whoever he wants but still neither myself nor mexico are going to pay for his racist monument. another promise he can t keep. close quotes. as you re well aware, the president-elect has repeatedly referred to mexican citizens who have come to the united states as saying they re sending, quote, people that have lots of problems and they re bringing those problems with us. they re bringing drugs, they re bringing crimes, they re rapists and some, some i assume are good people. mr. tillerson, do you think mexicans are criminals, drug dealers and rapists? i would never characterize an entire population of people with any single term at all. do you think that those comments help our relationship with mexico, our third largest trading partner, a trading partner that represents $583 billion in trades of goods and services, including our second largest goods export market? mexico is a long-standing neighbor and friend of this country. and so that doesn t help your job as secretary of state, does it, if you are to achieve nomination? well, we re going to engage with mexico because of their importance to us in this h hemisphere and we have many common issues of concern senator rubio took care of some things i cared about. when you and i met, you indicated on cuba you needed more time which is fair to come to your conclusion about your opinion on u.s./cuba policy and the obama administration changes. i want to share with you the latest report by it s not me, okay, by amnesty international. that noted, quote, despite increasingly open diplomatic relations, severe restrictions on freedoms of expression, association and movement continue. thousands of cases of harassment of government critics and arbitrary arrests and detentions were reported. thousands, that s their quote. the cuban commission for human rights and national reconciliation, which works within cuba documented more than 8,600 politically motivated detentions of goth opponents and activists during the year. there s a group of women who march every sunday to church with glad oel yeahs, called the women in white, they get beaten savagely because of their peaceful protest. i hope you would agree with me that if our engagement is still going to allow that to take place, then something s wrong with our engagement. something fell short. and i have a specific question on cuba. do you think that as a condition of establishing diplomatic relations with cuba, we at a minimum should have insisted on the return of fugitives, cop killers, like new jersey cop killer joe chezimart and other fugitives being harbored by the castro regime? i do, senator. thank you. now, would you finally commit yourself if you are confirmed as secretary of state to work with us and others, mexico that have cop killers and other fugitives in cuba, to make that conditioning of any future transactions as it relates to cuba? senator, if confirmed, i look forward to working with you most specifically, as well as senator rubio and others, who have have a great depth of knowledge on cuba to ensure that we are not relaxing the pressure on cuba to reform its oppressive regime. certainly as i indicated in response to a question earlier and in my opening remarks, the cuban leadership got a lot out of the most recent deal. we need to make no mistake about where the flows of funds are going inside cuba and the cuban people got almost nothing. as i indicated, the president-elect has been very clear on his intent to direct a bottoms-up review of the entire relationship with cuba. thank you. i appreciate the great senator from new jersey acknowledging that when our nominee has left an impression, that i don t think he is wishing to leave. i give him an opportunity to change that. thank you. with that, senator mr. chairman, thank you. he has a ten-minute segment
plus literally dialing up the rhetoric. president trump and president putin set to talk as counterpart tomorrow. but who s calling who? keir simmons in new york, kristen welker at the white house. big meeting today, big phone call tomorrow but it s the meeting that s not happening that s grabbing all the headlines, right? that s right. that meeting that was supposed to happen with the president of mexico which was cancelled yesterday after president trump insisted that mexico was going to pay for the wall, the president of mexico said not going to pay for the wall. that is something we have heard him say over and over again. then we learned he cancelled the meeting. president trump tried to cast it as a mutual decision. bottom line, this is a rift in a relation with one of the united states closest allies, its third largest trading partner. what happens next? the administration floating the idea of a possible 20% tax on imports from mexico and, hallie, for a very busy day. keir simmons is in new york. theresa may has to thread this very delicate needle. that s right. in her speech she was able to send a signal to president trump that, if you like, she s on his side, that britain and america see things at the same way and at the same time send a number of messages that will have been picked up and have been picked up back in the u.k. about things like nato, about russia, about iran, about a whole range issues and primarily saying to president trump, america still needs to lead in the world. so that balance she still needs to strike as she prepares to meet with the president at 1:00 eastern today. she still needs to be able to somehow build trust with him while at the same time be her own person. oh, to be a fly on the wall. if people haven t seen her before yesterday, a school mistress type. she s a serious person. why? she got a number of standing ovations but the first laugh didn t happen until about 30 minutes into that speech. so that s the kind of person she is. how will that gel with president trump? you know what she said to british journalists on the flight over here? opposites attract. i was going to ask you about the idea of president trump who is on twitter, theresa may don t even hav a twitter account. will opposites attract in this instance politically? we don t know. she does have an official twitter account. if you take a look at it, all that is on there, posted on there are clips from her speeches and official announcements. it s such a contrast. who knows. when you think about the reagan-thatcher relationship, in some ways reagan was the warm, kind of easy going thatcher was the star owner s daughter, she famously had the handbag, she was famously tough and together that seemed to gel. it s so crucial with international relations. but in a sense, though, hallie, we re talking there about the way things have been and president trump as so far seems to change so much. and that s what s so difficult for world leaders is figuring out how things will work in the future. and the real danger for the british and the real danger for any world leader who chooses to take the road which the british prime minister has is to stay as the british always has really close to washington. the danger is that president trump starts to do things that britain really doesn t agree with and how does she respond to that? fundamentally she knows that if she has washington on side, it really strengthens her negotiations with the european union, but it s full of risks. keir, i think you should hop on a train and get down to washington because there s a lot of anticipation for that meeting. thank you very much, keir simmons at 30 rock. and reaction from another key al ally, mexico. press secretary sean spicer first said there would be a 20% attack on imports. two hours later backing off after some backlash saying that s just one of many options. president trump not backing off his promise that mexico will, in fact, pay for the wall. i ve said many times that the american people will not pay for the wall. and i ve made that clear to the government of mexico. we re working on a tax reform bill that will reduce our trade deficit, increase american exports and will generate revenue from mexico that will pay for the wall if we decide to go that route. reminder, mexico says it is not going to pay for that wall mariana atencio is joining us this morning. you ve been talking to folks there in the capital. what are they saying? reporter: i ve spoken to business leaders who tell me in board rooms across this nation, they are waiting to see what president trump will do. mexicans are angry, appalled at president trump s dismissive tone toward a nation they say has contributed so much to the u.s. economy. i m here with senator armando rios. senator, what will be discussed in this meeting given president trump s executive actions on immigration and the wall? well, we need to hear the minister of economy and the minister of foreign relations. we just went there to the united states last tuesday. we need to hear their report and we need to take some actions for knowing which are the next steps too take regarding security, regarding trade. we need to have a common position with the senate, off course with president pena anyw nieto. what kind of actions are being evaluatevaluated? my position is we should stop negotiating with the united states regarding security issues, regarding anti-terrorism that we ve been working to the for the last years and that now it has no sense to keep on collaborating with an unfriendly government, specifically in the drug enforcement area. of course we need to take a look at what we need to change because we are spending so much money with some kind of relationship that doesn t seem to be in the benefit for us anymore. and what about trade, senator? what concrete actions would you consider taking? we need to change our patterns of consumption. we ve been buying a lot of corns for the states of the corn beds, specifically iowa, some of those. we need to start thinking if he wants to tax our goods that are sold there in the united states, we need to change. probably we can change we can buy the corn now to brazil or to argentina and stop buying it. it s a retaliation regarding what he s saying. thank you so much, senator. i don t want to keep you from the meeting with president pena. you heard it, possible concrete actions regarding the war on drugs and consumer products, as you heard. rachel, we were watching that interview together and you were sort of nodding and said at one point, that s exactly the issue. walk me through what you heard and what stood out to you. i any whthink what we heard there is rising tension with mexico and we can expect representatives in that government are going to feel the need to retaliate, that whether or not concrete actions are taken, we know that rhetoric coming from president trump is having some very tangible effects within mexico. so whether we talking about a trade war, whether we re talking about decreased cooperation at the border, we re talking about problems hitting american consumers, we re talking about problems with combatting the drug trade at the border. this is a partner for the united states. mexico has served as a collaborator and a partner for the last two decades. let s not forget that that want always true. put this into context for me here. i spoke with alfonso aguilar. he said, listen, this lack of a meeting with pena nieto is not a long-term problem, a 20% tax would be. is this a bump in the road or are we going to be talking about this two years ago from a turning point? i don t think that one meeting is a problem. i think over a year of aggressive rhetoric towards mexico is what we can point to as the problem. i think we can say that year of very aggressive rhetoric. every country has the right to defend itself. the united states has the right to secure its borders as it sees fi this rhetoric around we have to build this wall, making this very aggressive and confrontational, i think that s what we ll see as the turning point is the way this is addressed. so if the wall discussion was happening but with a different tone from pluresident trump, do you see that as problematic? i think if president trump was saying i think it s important to find a way to increase borders and find a way to work more closely with our partners in the region to combat drug trade, i think that would be a legitimate discussion. how real is the idea this lift could embolden the liberal wing of mexican politics and put someone into power who is more anti-u.s.? i think we re already seeing massive support for the leading candidate of the opposition, who really advocates for separating from the united states. i absolutely think this could have a very heavy influence, if not jest the wall but specifically the larger relationship. i think you re seeing a sentiment among mexicans if the u.s. doesn t play with us, we don t want to play with them. but how do they play if they re literally not speaking to each other? part what was so insulting about trump s exetive orders was he signed them the day the foreign minister was in the united states talking to his government. to say they re not talking is not true. the foreign minister was on his way to meet with the president there and drove right past and kept on going. this is a country we share 2,000 miles of borders with, over the last 250-some years, w created a relationship with. i think we shouldn t have such short-term memories and we should be worried when we see someone not walking in the door to have that conversation see that has illustrative. much more coming up on president trump s tense relationships with mexico. after the break, we re joined by juan vargas. or fill a big order or expand your office and take on whatever comes next. find out how american express cards and services can help prepare you for growth at open.com. find out how american here you go.picking up for kyle. you wouldn t put up with part of a pizza. um. something wrong? 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are you having conversations? where do you see an opportunity to work with republicans on this? it s clear the president is not going to simply change his mind like that? it s true. we have to try to work together. independe i m a democrat and i m very progressive, however, we didn t win. he won. unfortunately he s a bit of a caricature president. he doesn t seem to be a real president at the moment but there s a lot of serious people around him and we re trying to work together and we have to work together. we have a long border here. i represent the entire california/mexico border. we have lots of positive things going on. the things happening here along the border have been very good for both sides. we want to make sure that continues. we can t when you get all this heavy, awful rhetoric that is affecting our relation sishipre. i m going to work with the administration as well as i can. i m on the national prayer breakfast on thursday and i ll see him then. what do you plan to say to him when you see them then? chill out! read the bible a little bit. chill out. he s there for a religious person. look at matthew 25. when i was a stranger, you welcomed me. that s what jesus says. why don t you pay attention a little more to the bible. i think it will make things better for everybody. he s been probably hearing that message a little bit as he s been promising this border wall for 18 months, i think. if he moves forward of building this wall, what are your options? we already have the fence. in some areas, we have three walls. so they ve already built these. i kind of laugh when people talk about this. they put these things in saying this was going to stop immigration. it didn t. people got bigger ladders, they tunnelled underneath. unless he wants to put up a fourth fence, a fourth wall somewhere, we already have it. if you start at the ocean, literally 150 yards into the ocean, they have all these gigantic pillars and the three border mountai border fences go to the mountains and they you can t build anything. the first one didn t work, the second one didn t work, the third one didn t work and i assume the fourth one s not going to work either. democratic congressman want vargas of california, we re going to get you on our schedule after that meeting with president trump. right now tens of thousands of people are expected t gather not far from where i m sitting right now near the washington monument for the annual march for life. history being made with vice president pence addressing the crowd. you re looking at live pictures before the rally begins. we ll head there live after the break. i am totally blind. watry.duo fusiong heartburn relief? 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it is the first time i ve been here. i felt like i was drawn here and i was supposed to be here for a reason. i believe this is the reason. and what s your feeling under this new administration? are you feeling more optimistic? we ve heard that from a lot of people. i am feeling more optimistic. i feel like tha the pro-life movement, the agenda, is going to be more heard from. okay. and what do you hope to get out of today? what s the message you d like to tell the rest of america? well, i think the reason i m here is because i honestly believe president trump has brought god back into washington, d.c. and back into the white house and i am just thrilled to be here. and what are you hoping to hear from the vice president today when he speaks? well, i m excited to hear what he has to say. i think it s going to be encouraging and uplifting. it s a new day in our country. that s what we re hearing from a lot of people in the crowd, this sense of optimism moving forward. nbc s kristen dahlgren live for us on the mall. thank you. president trump plans to speak with russian president vladimir putin on the weekend about what the white house is saying about the russian sanctions on the other side of the break. if you have medicare so don t wait. call now to request your free decision guide. it could help you find the aarp medicare supplement plan that works for you. these types of plans have no networks, so you get to choose any doctor who accepts medicare patients. rates are competitive, and they re the only plans of their kind endorsed by aarp. remember - these plans let you apply all year round. so call today. because now s the perfect time to learn more. go long. donald trump had toward putin in the campaign. a lot of eyeballs. i don t know if there s going to be any ears listening in. i doubt they re going to tap their own phone calls but maybe. stranger things have happen. a hint from kellyanne conway. she made it very clear that lifting sanctions on russia would be an option. have a listen. all of that is under consideration and certainly in addition to improving relations with different leaders around the globe. if vladimir putin wants to have a conversation about how to defeat radical islamism, we re listening. two years ago it was then president barack obama who initially had to drag angela merkel along on sanctions with russia because there s so many economic ties between germany and russia. one other quick note on this meeting here, mattis will be meeting in the tank with the joint chiefs and president trump. they had dinner a couple of nights ago, all they white house about a two-hour meeting to discuss a range of issues. so we ll see whether or not there are actually any tasking orders or presidential directives to the present gone saying come up with some new plans to accelerate the plan. and mattis has been sworn in. he got his hair cut at the pentagon. the price is $12. you go in, you ask for a hair cut and they have one question, civilian or military? i ll get back to you on whether he asked for a civilian or military. hans, i don t know what we would do without you. thank you, pal. ambassador, hair cuts aside, i want to get your reaction on what we just heard from kellyanne conway. she said the lifting of sanctions on russia is under consideration. overall reaction to that, perhaps unsurprising maybe? this administration likes to lay out a lot of different options and create leverage for possible concessions. isis remains the priority for president trump and lifting financial sanctions is the priority for mr. putin. you can expect some kind of a combination there. this is the first call they ll have had and i think there will be pleasantries and introductory discussions as well. with president putin, my advice is to engage. there is nothing inevitable between conflict between the conflict with the west. butgage with russia from a position of strength. engage but beware. how does donald trump actually do that and will he do that? will that message from theresa may get through when the president has talked repeatedly about wanting a better and stronger relationship with vladimir putin? we ve also heard president trump talking about rebuilding our nuclear arsenal or updating it, talked about military investment. i think he s going to have a two-track strategy to project m america s defense and military capabilities will be robust but we need an ally in the fight against isis and radical islamic extremism. the challenge is going to be what happens in europe with nato. will there continue to be this tit for tat in overflights and reckless actions by mr. putin on the frontier of europe? in this phone call nato might come up. is there a way that donald trump could step in it with vladimir putin? england and theresa may are no fans of mr. putin. so inevitably i think there are a lot mine fields but i don t think they re going to take place in this phone call. this is going to be an opening gamut. i think that everybody s going to be reading between the lines but this is really going to be about just resetting, a poor choice of words, that s the clinton policy. but reestablishing a rapport with the russian leadership and of course it s going to be fraught with all kind of complications. ambassador stewart holliday. appreciate you being here. president trump talking about waterboarding, talking about how he believes it is actually an effective interrogation methods and experts in the field agree. is he right? 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it s already created some problems politically for british prime minister theresa may back across the pond. aisha, i ll start with you and chris, i want your take, too. trump has not consulted with any experts on any of these issues he s talking about. in this case we re talking about torture. he has literally running off of his gut and trying to convince us that this is the right pathway. but i think what we re going to continue to see is other leaders, members of congress, are stopping had and saying, wait a minute, we can t do that. even some of his senior advisers are saying to him that s actually against the law and that s wrong. the thing we should be talking about is how do d we end up in a situation that the president doesn t think we should be seeking counsel of his peers and advisers and other experts? the president has said he ll listen to the voices in his cabinet, people like mattis and mike pompeo, who have expressed real concern about torture. do you buy that? i don t think we should jump to conclusions about whether he s consulted or not. we have no idea who he s talking to. i think he did make se promises or charges on the campaign trail about what s he s going to do regarding torture. when you look at it, he has the same position as leon panetta. and that really does lead to a conclusion from donald trump as a candidate. this could be if you use waterboarding, it talks you to bin laden. you ve got to listen to the john mccains of the world. it s really difficult to arrive at a conclusion that torture is okay. having said that, i am confident that donald trump has surrounded himself with a group of advisers, you are mentioned mattis that, will point him in the right direction. i hope you re right. the campaign rhetoric is not the same thing as being able to govern. it s not but i don t think i m one of the few here either. sanctions, if he does lift sanctions against moscow put in place during the obama administration, what message does that sent? i think it s a good thing to improve relations with country like russia. having said that, russia has shown nothing but hostility toward us. that s why the obama administration put the sanctions in place. until we see that that hostility and those attitudes towards a dismissal of our security and process and our system of government is alleviated it, would be a mistake to unilaterally withdraw the sanctions. last word to you. i completely agree. until he gives us some room on syria and negotiating on ukraine, i don t think we need to drop any sanctions. i agree. thank you both for joining news a rare moment of agreement on our political panel at the end. i appreciate it. a live look at the national mall a week after tens of thousands of people came for president trump s inauguration, thousands of people are here for the march for life. we ll have much more. we ll right back. be ready when growth presents itself? american express open cards can help you take on a new job, or fill a big order or expand your office and take on whatever comes next. find out how american express cards and services can help prepare you for growth at open.com. and for just $15.99big festival of shrimp find out how american express cards and services you can pick 2 of 6 new and classic creations on one plate new flavors like sweet bourbon-brown sugar grilled shrimp and bold firecracker red shrimp are too big to last so hurry in. parts a and b and want more coverage, guess what? 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or us. if you think about it, we would incur this cost. those donald trump signature suits made in mexico, when macy s cost them they cost $300, with this 20%, macy s would have to eat it or you or me, if you wanted to buy your dad that suit, it would cost an extra $60. but made in america is not a new idea, not a new concept. if you look at the way people spend money today, nobody pays retail. everybody wants a discount. the rise of amazon.com is because people want to pay the lowest amount of money and get the greatest amount of goods. to see macy s would eat the cost, macy s just closed 100 stores. margins have shrunk, companies aren t willing to pay. i know america first is a great sound bite but people don t want to spend. it s not mexico who would incur the cost, it would be the united states. and we saw a walk back, a little bit of whiplash from the team saying this was just a buffet of option, this was not the final plan. that s sort of what s extraordinary here, maybe it s a shot across the bow but it leaves so many of us wondering how trade works, it isn t simply a back tax, a tariff. even if mexico were to be hit. it s about wages. labor would move to nicaragua, move to cuba, it could move to haiti. even if you said we re going to hurt mexican companies, we don t just import, we export to mexico. they re a trading partner. they re our third biggest trading partner in the world. the question so many people are asking, does donald trump understand the trickle-down effects? this isn t like a casino owner walking away from a deal. a 20% tax, it could be your avocados, your ford fusion, your bananas. are people willing to spend more? they re definitely not. if mexico gets hit with it, its factories could move to another country. virginia senator and former vice presidential nominee tim kaine is sitting down with chuck
if the administration was standing by that tweet which sean spicer said the president is, then why could congress then need to investigate if this information already exists? the press secretary talked a little bit about the issu i have to listen to the vshage again, the transcript, but he talked about credibility and the idea there is a separation of powers as well. we also talked a little bit about the idea that hey we are in tax season, tax day is just over month away. will the president release his returns from this most recent year? the president secretary said he would got back to us. and then is the president still under audit for past returns? the press secretary confirming he indeed is. a separation of powers, and they don t want to be perceived as directing congress to investigate in a certain way. harold ford is this going to dog them much longer? it will. the question by halle and the other young lady spelled i out. i think the health care the governors will be the ar about iters, where the rubber meets the road. the republicans and moderates and conservatives alike, but governors will have the phone say in what happens here. two major stories. first health care, the other what exactly is going on with wiretapping. both of those dominating the white house press briefing. and both of those things that my colleague kate snow is going to be talking about in just a moment. i m katy tur. that will do it for me. kate take it away. i feel like i m crashing the party. great discussion. we will take it from here. good afternoon, everyone, i m kate snow. our top stories this hour. seven years in the making, republicans launching a full-court press to promote their new obamacare replacement plan. party leadership, even the white house now getting involved. but not convinced, a big chunk of the gop. this hour, in about 30 minutes from now the house freedom caucus as long with tea party senators will faulk about why they think this isn t the right way the repeal and replace. later on, the carson controversy. in his first address to his new department, housing and urban development, carson referred to slaves as immigrants. a lot of blowback over his comments. we have a lot to get through. our team is in place. chris jansing, kasie hunt, perry bacon, nice to see him again. let s start off with a hard look at what is in this obamacare replacement plan. before we get started here i want to run through the basics of the new bill. no more individual mandate. coverage for individuals with preexisting conditions is still in. young people can remain on their parents coverage until age 26. the expansion of medicaid that happened under obama, that gets frozen in 2020. and people who let their coverage lapse could see their premiums go up by 30%. finally there is still a system of tax credits to help pay for health care on the individual market but those credits are now based on age. that is something we will really dive into. you are going to want to sti with us for in a, what does that look like, how does that work? let me start with our panel, chris janszing at the white house. this hour we are expecting senator rand paul and the freedom caucus from the house who have concerns about this bill we are expecting them up on capitol hill. is the white house feeling confident right now about getting this through congress. when you heard them talk about it, and we finished this briefing that called secretary tom price they said that they are going to work this through and just didn t seem to be concerned about what the obvious problem is with this, and that is that on both side of the house and the senate you have republicans in numbers that threaten this bill who are against it. you mentioned for example, that you have this press conference that is coming up. i talked to rand paul on friday. for him and other like minded conservatives this is nothing more than entire entitlement program. it doesn t accomplish why they wanted to get rid of obamacare in the first place. that was the cost. you heard the acknowledgment they don t have any kind of estimate from the congressional budget office. when mick mull vinny went out for the white house today to talk about it he acknowledged they didn t know what the cost is. and on the senate side you also have four members of the senate who sent a her letter because they are concerned about medicaid expansion in their states. they are worried about people losing coverage. so even though you have this situation where the president it sunds like is completely all in. as sean spicer put it there is going to be a very aggressive laser like focus on this it has involved tweeting, heating with health care people,nd it looks like he will be in charge with when i spoke to him a couple minutes ago. hi mr. vice president. is this plan conservative? i m sorry? this health care plan is it conservative? this is the right plan for america. it is a framework we believe will repeal obamacare which has been a disaster. heritage says it doesn t do that, heritage action. and we ll replace this with a plan that will handwritings the power of the free market, will give states resources and flexibility to reporm medicaid, will help americans be able to purchase health insurance but the cost of health insurance will go down. we are looking forward as i told leaders in the senate today 50i78 going to be meeting with members of congress this afternoon, we really do believe this is a historic opportunity the repeal the failed policies of obamacare and replace it with the kind of reforms that will lower the cost of health insurance en while we insure that the most vulnerable have access to better coverage through medicaid and greater state flexibility. where are conservatives so opposed? i think we are early in the legislative process. and the president has made it clear we are open to ways to improve the bill but we believe the american health care act is the right framework for replacing obamacare. in the days ahead the president and i look forward to making that point the members of congress and the people of america. thank you, i appreciate it. of course the key there they are very early in this process, they seem to be open to making changes or adjustments. but at this point it is becoming more difficult to figure out how they square getting it through the house of representatives where you have pressure from conservatives and then sending it over to the senate where you already have a group of four senators writing letters saying look if you end this medicaid expansion it s going to be really tough on state budgets and potentially hurt low income americans. so that s very difficult. and any one of these political calculations can make something like this completely fall apart. you remember i covered the beginning to the end of passing the affordable care act, obamacare, back in 2009. and that was something that took an incredible amount of arm twisting from nancy pelosi who of course was speaker of the house. she was question that is something that dpemts and republicans agree she is very good at. you had a president who was at the height of his popularity right after the election. those things do not necessarily exist right now for republicans on capitol hill. speaker ryan is dealing with a caucus that s much more kind of fractured. the way he has dealt with them has been to kinds of devolve some power. it s unclear if that strategy is going to work this this case. president trump doesn t have the same popularity nowhat president obama had at the time. and all of that could really put all of thisn jeopardy, kate. perry bacon, you wrote on 538 about all of this, about the seven groups that could complicate gop plans to repeal obamacare. i want to run through your article. you said older americans because they could be charged more than younger people. you said conservative lawmakers, because it doesn t go far enough in getting rid of medication expansion for some of them. you said governors, you say you think some governors think it s stingy on medicaid. another group you are looking at is people getting affordable care act coverage particularly those with low incomes because they might not get as much help as they did. voters, democrats who don t want to see changes to the law because they like obamacare as it is. and people who support abortion rights or planned parenthood because federal plans are cut off to planned parenthood for a year through medicaid. which is the biggest challenge? we are talking about a process in congress. the biggest problem i would say is that moderates in the senate thinking it s too conservative, house members thinking it s not conservative enough. i would say older people. the aarp is organizing against this bill bus it lets you charge older people more than younger people. aarp is an influential group. i think it matters lot, too. one thing in favor of the bill passing, the republican heeders and white house view it this way, custom is that most republicans in congress ran on repealing obamacare. republican leaders view this as we dare you to go on the floor and vote against obamacare after what you promised your constituents. they have with one advantage which is that the republican voted to changing and revealing obamacare and most members don t to vote against an obamacare peal. chris jansing a the white house,ore he took office, president trump said he had an alternative vision, alternate vision for health care reform. he made promises, weapon on 60 minutes and he was asked would it be universal health care, he said yeah i really want to take care of everybody. those were his words. he even said he didn t care if it got him votes or didn t. now he is tweeting he is going to negotiate with congress. mike pence saying this is the beginning of a process. is this a shift away from the big promises he made on the campaign trail? yeah, i mean this was a central focus of his campaign. anybody who went to or saw any of his rallies saw this was one of the bige cheer points. this always got a huge reaction, that he was going to get rid of obamacare. and that he had a plan. i mean, remember, he also gave a newspaper interview where he said he had a plan that was going to cover everybody. in january he talked about that plan. now it looks as though that plan doesn t exist. he is adopting this. and we have heard really, about sort of the genesis of how this all came to be today with the hhs secretary tom price who was asked about his support for this. let s play what he had to say as the voice of this administration right now for this health care change. do you support everything that s in the bill sitting on the table. this is a work progress. it is a legislative process that occurs. we will work with the house and senate. another way to look at it is, kate, this is reality sinking in for this white house that has so few people who have ever been through this process before, that they are realizing how complex this is. you know, there were a lot of people who either laughed or mock the fact when the president said he didn t real how complicated that was going to be. there is no doubt this is one of the most complicated pieces of legislation that we have seen in recent years. and by the way, if it does get repealed, it would be unprecedented. we have never seen a major program like this that affects millions of people that then has been taken off the table. and obviously, that s part of the concern that we have been talking about for some of the lawmakers. chris jansing, kasie hunt, perry bacon, thank you all so much. appreciate it. up next we are going to kick in on one of the fine points in that stack of papers that you saw at the white house. that s the house s obamacare repeal bill. the bigger stack is the old obamacare. we are going to talk about tax credits, which existed in both plans, and what does it mean what they are trying to do 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credit. under obamacare when you sign up for insurance you could apply the tax credit immediately. we haven t gotten the nuts and bolts but this is an advance refund. you get it at the front ends. that s how it s supposed to work. if you are 20 years old you get $20,000 as you get older it increases. now at 20 i ve been looking around. it s hard to get a full $2,000 . of the at 60, there is zero chance you are getting a policy for $4,000. it might be a catastrophic policy but not going to cover nearly everything of as you earn more you will start to see them decrease. for individuals earning $75,000 or couples earning $150,000 they will not get the same size of tax credits. here s the interesting part. under obamacare for a 27-year-old let s say, healthy, earning $20,000, on the low end they had they would get $3325 a year in sub sid sees under obamacare. that person is now going get $2,000. if you are making $20,000 and 27 years he would. $20,000 for a 27-year-old assuming you are relatively healthy. under obamacare you were getting 3225 in subsidies and credits. to put towards health care. right. under the new plan you get 2:2,000. what this leads one to understand after studying it if you are ill don t earn much money or if you are old this is not going to be great for you. there is stuff we haven t touched on yet, medicaid changes that s going to affect a lot of the poor. this is not a great thing for people who don t earn much money are sick or are old. it s hard to generalize because the a lot of the devils are going to be in the details. there are going to be outliars on all sides of this thing but when you generalize this is what you can come up with. this is instructive. just seeing an example of one particular kind of person. ali thank you so much that helps me get my head around it. earlier in the show in fact, now teleprompter is wrong right now. let me talk about who we are going to join next. it s tim live isser who knows a thing or two about one particular group of people that might be affected by this new health care plan. that i people with disabilities. he of course is with the special olympics and joins me now. tim, nice see you. thanks for having me. let s talk about the group you work closely with. people with disability. when you saw this new house plan what was your first thought? are there some good things? are there some concerns? we are all learning. i think it s very early days. i think one of the great things that this president has done is inspired so many people to take an interesting in the legislative process. i suspect this draft will be the most read draft of a piece of legislation in the last ten years, especially by people under 30. we are welcoming the process of elevating the needs of people with issues in abilities in this process. from what we can see there are reasons for concern. when you see caps on medicare expansion. when you see restrictions on some of the benefits that will accrue with people with disabilities you start to get concerned. frankly i think all americans would be concerned by this. they are respectful and decent people they want to look at a person who has down s syndrome and they want their country to be a place where they can get health care. where are you getting those concerns specifically? you mentioned caps, right, potentially on is that what you mentioned? i would say i m not a policy expert in its early days. we are seeing the potential to restrict medicare funding after 2020. medicare funding do as lot of things. you are talking about medicaid. excuse me. i said medicare. medicaid. my mistake. the caps there, some of those services include school based health care services, transportation and early childhood supports that come under medicaid. these are critically important for people with disabilities. they have been expanding in recent years with bipartisan support and we would not want to see those rolled back. let me ask you this. they have preserved key things in obamacare, right, which is if you are 26 up to age 26 you can be on your parents health care plan. and the key thing i would think for the commune of people with disabilities is that preexisting conditions don t count against you when you are treeg to get insurance. that s right. and that was a huge i mean, i consider that one of the great legislative achievements that follow a long list of achievements, ford signing the bill integrating our schools. bush, signing the bill for the americans with disabilities act. deinstitutionalizati deinstitutionalization. this notion of deexcluding people with preexisting conditions opened up this to the world of people with disability. although i don t think most people understood when that was passed it was part of the affordable care act. i think most americans would degree it s important the keep it. there is concern about these families. i think about the caregivers. i have done reporting about people for example, of people with autism, who after 21 they are out of the health care system and their parents have to take time off of work, they have to dedicate their lives to helping their kids. medicaid be that a life line for those families. there is enough fear in the culture already. there is enough bullying in our culture ready. there is enough uncertain for people who have intellectual and developmental challenges and their families. i would hope this process would make sure their stories are told. in the special olympics we have launched a 15 year campaign to develop supports for people with disabilities. extra support from foundations. bipartisan. this is not a right left, red, bluish you. these are americans, donors, volunteers, who want to expand and make the world safe for people who have struggles and challenges but who also have gifts and capacity to give. our hope is that this process won t increase the fear but elevate their stories and make sure they are included in the discussion so that the people on the right and the left will protect the decent and respectful way in which most appearance would want the see them treated. tim schreiber great to see you. up next, ben carson s first full week as secretary of housing and urban development is off to a rough start as he face as flood of backlash for comments he made likening slaves to immigrants. and live shot from outside the capitol where we are waiting for members of the freedom caucus to come to the micro pony with their response to the repeal of obamacare. we will bring you that live as soon as it happens. knowing where you stand has never been easier. except when it comes to retirement. at fidelity, you get a retirement score in just 60 seconds. and we ll help you make decisions for your plan. to keep you on track. it s your retirement. know where you stand. to keep you on track. everything your family touches sticks with them. make sure the germs they bring home don t stick around. use clorox disinfecting products. because no one kills germs better than clorox. let s look at our big three stories at the half hour right now. more than two dozen reports of tornadoes touching down across the central u.s. yesterday. hundreds of homes from damaged and destroyed. several people were hurt. none of the injuries are considered life threatening. the threat of severe weather stretched from oklahoma and arkansas northward into minnesota and wisconsin. threats against jewish community centers continued today. facilities in new york, florida, wisconsin a illinois all forced to evacuate following bomb threats. the anti-defamation league also says several of their offices received threats. meanwhile, all 100 u.s. senators urged the trump administration to take action against these threats and vandalism. they send letters to the homeland security deputy the department and the fbi calling for swift action. on friday a former journalist was arrested and charged with at least eight of the threats. however police believe he was a copycat trying to get back at former girlfriend. chance the rapper is being praised after announcing he is donating $1 million to chicago public schools. the rapper, whose real name is chancellor bennett is from the windy city and criticized the governor of illinois after he vetoed funding for public schools. the money is coming from concert ticket sales. and he says he will add $10,000 for every $100,000 raised. ben carson set off a firestorm after referring to slaves as immigrants during his first speech to hud employees on monday. take a listen. that s what america is about, a land of dreams and opportunity. there were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder, for less. but they, too, had a dream. for more now i want to bring in roland martin. he is host and managing editor of news one now on tv 1. roland, always good the see you. likewise. i do not need to tell you this has exploded on line. it has blown up. a lot of people are not happy about what he said. your take? well, it s stupid and as nine. the bottom line is ben carson, as politico is reporting has said this for couple of decades, using immigrants, it s simply flat out lie. it is a false. and you simply can t compare the two. i can tell you last night when i heard his interview when he tried to clarify those comments on armstrong williams radio show on sirius xm radio i heard those as well and those were idiotic as well. on his personal facebook page he posted an explanation that made more sense. this is bigger than ben carson. you have seen the efforts in texas to change the textbooks where mac grau hill published the book describing the slaves as workers brought in from america. the tea party wanted to remove that farm owners were slave owners as well. there is this of the by conservatives to somehow soften or redefine slavery. and that s why people are offended by what the secretary had to say. roland, i would ask so many more questions but i think we have to go to capitol hill right now. if you can pause for us. okay. we are expecting republicans now speaking out. this is members of the freedom caucus who have had concerns about the health care bill. let s listen in. campaign with president trump all across north carolina and one of things that he talked about was repeal and replacement. now when he said that, it took on two different meanings. repeal, to many, meant that we would repeal the entire obamacare plan. all the taxes, all the mandates, the medicaid exchanges. and when he talked about replacement, it took on another meaning to others, which it meant that we needed to cover the preexisting conditions, making sure that people didn t get kicked off of their health care plan, making sure that there was an adequate safety net. i can tell you that those two things are still the focus of not only the house freedom caucus but my good friends senator lee, senator rand paul, and senator ted cruz. as we look at this today, we are going to be talking about a number of scores in the upcoming days. cbo scores. and what score, that this means and what does it mean for the american people. i can tell you there is one score that the american people will pay attention to. and that is, does it really lower their health care costs and their premiums? that s the only score that really matters. and if this doesn t do it, then we need to make sure that we find something that does do it. and with that i m going to turn it over to the gentleman from ohio who plans to introduce a piece of legislation that really repeals the affordable care act the gentleman from ohio, jim jordan. our goal is simple to bring down the cost of insurance for working families and middle class families across the country. in an effort to do that, we think you have to get rid of obamacare completely. tomorrow i will introduce the bill that every single republican voted on just 15 months ago, the bill that actually repeals obamacare. our plan has always been repeal in one piece of legislation and replace in another. that replacement we talked about a few weeks ago is the bill sponsored by dr. paul in the senate and mark sanford in the house. there is three plans out there. collins plan, if you like obamacare you can keep obamacare. there was the leadership plan that was brought forward which i believe when you look through it is obamacare in a different form. then there is our plan, the one i think is consistent with what we told the voters we were going do. repeal obamacare, replace it with a market centered patient centered doctor centered plan that brings down the cost of insurance, brings down the cost of health care and prois affordable insurance opportunities for all americans. that s what we are focused on doing. think about this, he put on president obama s desk a bill that repealed obamacare, got rid of every single tax, got rid of the mandates, and now the first thing republicans are bringing forward is a piece of legislation that we are going to put on a republican president s desk that says we repeal it, but keeps medicaid exexpansion and actually expands it, that keeps some of the tax increases. th is not what we promised the american people we were going to do. our plan, repeal it clean repeal, just like we all voted on above. separate legislation to replace what we currently have with a model that we think will bring down the cost of premiums for the hard working people of this country who sent us here to do just that. with that i want to turn it offer to the sponsor of our replacement plan in the senate, dr. rand paul. today i will introduce a companion bill also to congressman jordan s plan to have complete repeal arc clean repeal. we ll be doing this in the senate today as well. there is one thing that has united republicans in 2010 when we won the house, in 2014, when we won the senate, and in 2016 when we witness to white house. this doesn t divide republicans, this brings us together. and that is complete repeal. clean repeal. as congressman jordan said, we voted on this last year and every republican voted for it. that s what we should do again. but we are divided. we have to admit, we are divided on remaysment. we are united on repeal, but we are divided on replacement. what s the best way to get past this impasse? let s vote on what we voted on before, a clean repeal. let s separate out the replacement plans. conservatives have a replacement plan. house leadership has a replacement plan. i m sure democrats would like to go back and vote on the aca again. vote on all the replacement plans and see what happens. let s vote on clean repeal. the only way i think this gets done is to separate the issues. separate out clean repeal from replacement. let s got get it done. repeal unites us. i think we can get tha done. with that i ll intro senor mike lee from utah. what s been introduced in the house in the last 24 hours is not the obamacare replacement plan. not the obamacare repeal plan we have been 40e7ing for. this is instead a step in the wrong direction. and as much as anything it s a missed opportunity. look. we ve seen what happens when congress decides to put forward a plan negotiated behind closed doors where members are told you have got to pass this bill in order to find out what s in it. it s usually not a good product. on this topic i m not speaking about anything that s necessarily inherently democratic or republican or liberal or conservative. this is just a common sense vauchlt that what we ought to have in congress is an it rative process one week start with basic grounding principles. the two parties are in widespread disagreement when it comes to obamacare itself. but there is one plan and only one plan that has so far passed a republican congress. it s this plg plan being reintroduced today. that plan passed with the support of every republican in house of representatives and every republican in the senate. and it did so just in the last 14 months. so i think we ought to put this forward. we ought to got it passed and then let s move the ball forward in an it rative process, a process in which people can propose different ideas that will benefit the american people. that s what we want to do. and that s what this process, this bill, the 2015 repeal bill, would do if we were to pass it right now. it s now my pleasure to introduce my friend and counter-part in the house, congressman mark sanford from south carolina. thank you. about hf an hour ago, maybe less than that, about half an hour ago the produce wrapped up its daily press briefing with the press. in it it was spruinstructive int sean spicer said the health care plan being introduced is a work in progress. it s interrog that secretary price said the same thing at the beginning of the press conference. it is a work in progress. if we liken this sort of to donald trump s world of everything is a negotiation, what we have now is an opening bid. and i think what conservatives are saying is okay that s the opening bid but based on some thing that happened whether in 2015 or principles that conservatives have long advanced might not we constructively look for ways of refining what s been introduced? that s what ultimately this press conference is all about. i think respectfully it s about asking this simple question, which is, do we need to lower the bar in what we believe as conservatives simply because a republican is now in the white house? so the bill that congressman yorn is going to introduce is all about simply not lowering that bar, of saying wait a minute, to their point, 14 months ago something was in there with unanimous accord with republicans on the house and senate side. let s stick with that plan. it s prospectively as well, in looking forward let s not lower what we believe or lower the bar on what we believe simply because a republican is in the white house on new ideas. so you look at the idea of a cadillac bill. cadillac plant that s based in the current bill that s being talked about. i don t know. is that a lowering of the bar? you look at something like the refundable tax credit. is that lowering of the bar? it was ron reagan who said that the closest thing to eternal life is government program. guaranteed eternal life in government is an sbilg men. when we are talking about here is a new entitle men. for a variety of different reasons this is simply about going back to things and principles that long worked on the conservative side and things that republicans espoused and grabbed hold of here within the last 13 months. i m louie gobert, the newest member of the freedom caucus. we are told we re known by our enemies and known by our friends. i m proud to be known by this group of friends. i m glad we finally got a bill out. it is not 2500 pages. it is a starting point. some people asked what i told president trump when he came down the aisle for the state of the union. one of the things i said was you are going told we can t do some of things we did two years ago with obamace. and it was true. it is still true. so as long as we re ae to get amendments to the floor that will fix some huge problems with the bill that s now been filed, then we ll be okay. but there better not be a rule that prevents amendments that are badly needed to fix this flawed bill. that would be a major problem. we don t need as mark said we don t need to start new entitlement programs. and we certainly don t need to have the bottom line effect, what mark meadows was talking about that prices of insurance don t go down. so there are things that have to be on the that have to be included. but we have got a starting point. i think amidst the horse extreatment we can find a upony around here somewhere. that s what we are looking to have, we will have a race horse as long as we can get in good amendments when we re done. aunk all. i think it s helpful to reflect about eight years back in how we started to do health care reform eight years ago. i think you her the heads of the insurance companies walked into the white house looking at their shoes. and something was wrong there. and so eight years later, the head of aetna says we are in a death spiral. and so the health care system they arranged eight years ago obviously didn t work. and so central government, top down government control, especially at the federal level, does not work. we ve seen that. now, interestingly the press comes and says the car is in the ditch, how are you guys going to fix it in two weeks? right. the answer would always be, we should have done free market economics and free market health care in the meantime, over the past, 20 30 years. last time what did we focus on? we focused on 18 million coverage. we didn t focus on prices or the cost of health care. now you have health care costs going up at 25%. the speaker, health insurance premiums, prices cost up 25%. the speaker said the gol is to shift the cost curve hold. all of you in the press corps can hold us accountable to that. what that means is not a reduction in the rate of increase not down to 15% growth in costs. a reduction in bending the cost curve down means costs go down by negative 1%. that s what the american people are dieing to see it. happened in every other market. it happened with cars, cd players started at $300, and now down to $30. if we are lowering costs a $100,000 heart procedure here costs $15,000. that s a radical difference in costs. that s easier to solve if we would have addressed the fries and the cost issue. we currently have $100 trillion unfunded mandatory spending program in this country. we promised $100 trillion to the next generation in programs. the federal government has created that problem. medicare is insolvent, social surt is insolvent. now we are creating another entitlement on top of $100 trillion. i think your reporting needs to be clear. when we create another entitle men in the next generation. one goal we have is i want to push as much of this down to the state level as i can. the federal government has a unique ability to print money and put it on the next generation. the states have to run a balanced bum. i trust them more in the governance to be more fiscally responsible. those are some of the major ideas. it s not tinkering around the edges. there is a philosophical difference what it means to do free markets. and we want to put in the mechanisms to ensure that that becomes reasonable. thank you. thank you, tom garrett from verge s fifth congressional district. i want to thank congressman jordan, senators lee and paul, my cohorts in the freedom caucus for having me here today. this is simply too important to rush through. the proposals that came out yesterday were shrouded in a cloak of secretsy that denied well over half of the house and well over half of the senate the ability to essentially participate in the process. so the debate must be had to fit within the framework envisioned by our founders. would know that historically freer mark don t get me wrong, i understand that health care is not a commodity like sneakers, but freer markts lead the lower costs. and we can do this withoutet contracting a new sboolgt men. about a month and a half ago i believe objection familiar s research came out indicated that the eight wealthiest individuals on the planet earth controlled as much wealth combined as the bottom 50th percentile. that s 8 people, plus 376 billion people had as much welt as 3.6 billion people. to put the united states s current debt, imagine if you will that we can extract every dime from the entire 50th percentile and down of wealth and then the eighth wealthiest people and then apply that to the current standing debt, not unfunded liability, current standing debt. folks, it would pay off under 10%. we hear the usef e word unsustainable again and again and again in this town. and some things really are. and new entitlement programs and spending on top of spending truly is. we can turn the cost curve down ward and do so without encumbering future generations. it s as simple as that. i heard this characterizing this as lot of people playing a game of chicken. we are resolute and we will stand here and do what is right not just for today but for posterity. thank you very much. we ll take some questions. john parkinson, abc, go ahead. i heard you guys using the optimism ahead, you know, the president will negotiate with you. today he had a tweet that said you early theed this as a wonderful bill. do any of you want to use that term, wonderful, and if so, what parts of the bill do you think are wonderful? no. and there are some improvements in the legislation from the leaked draft. but there was a wonderful bill that every single republican voted on just a few months back. and tomorrow senator paul and myself will be introducing that same piece of legislation. and that is exactly as i said earlier consistent with when we told the american people we were going do, repeal obamacare. how about using the bill we all supported? and then replacing it with something we actually believe is going to lower health care costs. mr. jordan, can you talk for a minute, mr. jordan and mr. meadows here about you said mr. meadows you met with the vice president. he said he is open to negotiation here. and the vice president was over in the senate, and he said this is the bill when i hear all of you talk, it sounds like you were trying to get somewhere where you can support a legislative product here at the end of the day. but as you just alluded to, mr. jordan, you said and mr. garrett said this, the wrote this in the dead of night, so on and so forth. so why would you trust them? chad, of course we are trying get somewhere to repeal obamacare. we know what a disaster it has been for the american people. the people spoke loudly and clearly on november 8:. comment right on target. doing it right s important, not just doing it, doing it right. and that s what today s about. that s why we re going to introduce our legislation tomorrow. that s why we think the two pieces of legislation that mode of getting it done is the proper way to proceed, and that s why we re introducing the bill tomorrow and why we have the bill we introduced weeks before. trust what the vice president said of course. this is the bill. yeah, the vice president is an honorable man and we trust him. i think what there s some difference in the context of what s being said is i think the president and the vice president is saying that the foundation there is a good foundation. we might disagree on that, however, we re committed to looking at that foundation and seeing how we can modify it, how we can make sure that we look at really repealing fully and replacing the affordable care act in a meaningful way. and so i don t know that those are mutually exclusive issues as we look at that. we re going to pause just for a moment here to show you on the right side of the skraen. president trump meeting at the white house there and talking a little bit about his health care plan that s come out. let s take a listen to this. we re going to have a lot of victories, a lot of wins, but we have a great team. together we re going to do incredible things for the great citizens of our country. as i said during my joint address to congress, and i think you mostly like that, right? love that. like it a lot. we re witnessing a renewal of the american spirit, a surf optimism and a new national pride which is sweeping across the land. i see it. there s such spirit. whether it s for the business things we re doing or whatever. it that s spirit that we haven t seen in the country in a long time. jobs are pouring back, you saw what happened with exxon where they just announced a massive jobs program. we re going to have fun. we have to remember, obamacare is collapsing. and it s in bad shape. and we re going to take action, there s going to be no slowing down. there s going to be no waiting and no more excuses by anybody. we re all now, i can probably say i m a politician. okay. i am a politician. but we re going to get it done. and you re the leaders that really will get it done for all of us and for the american people. obamacare is in very bad shape. i believe that if we wait two years, it will totally implode. it s really pretty much imploding now, steve, when you think. but it ll implode and people will be like please help us, please help us, and that ll be the democrats asking for help. they already are asking for help in the true sense of the word. because it s a disaster. the insurance companies are fleeing. some states are up over 100% in costs. the deductibles are through the roof. you don t even get to use it. we re going to do something that s great and i m proud to support the replacement plan released by the house of representatives and encouraged by members of both parties, i think really that we re going to have something that s going to be much more understood and much more popular than people can even imagine. if it follows the guidelines i laid out in my congressional address. a plan that will lower costs, expand choices, increase competition, and ensure health care access for all americans. this will be a plan where you n choose your doctor, this will be a plan where you can chse your plan. and you know what the plan is. this is the plan. and we re going to have a tremendous, i think we re going to have a tremendous success. it s a complicated process, but actually it s very simple. it s called good health care. so i want to thank you folks for being with us today, ladies and gentlemen and we will do something really, really important and really good for the american people. i think it s going to go very quickly. i hope it s going to go very quickly. as you know after that we work on the tax cut. we re going to be planning a major tax cut. i know exactly what we re looking at. most of us know exactly the plan. it s going to put our country in great shape and we re going to reduce taxes for companies and for people. and i can use the word again, massively, it s going to be a big tax cut. the biggest since reagan, maybe bigger than reagan. i look forward, i really look forward to working on that. we can t get to that unfortunately because of the way your system works. we can t get to that until we take care of health care. so, we ll take care of the health care. i appreciate your great support and let s get it done. thank you. thank you all. fantastic. thank you. mr. president, thank you for having our deputy whip team to the white house. and thank you for your commitment on following through on what to most americans is probably one of the most important promises that were made not only by you, but by all of us in getting this majority vote in the house and senate and the white house. and that is rescuing the american people from the failures of obamacare. we ve heard the message for years. we ve seen the dramatically skyrocketing costs. double digit increases every year in most parts of the country in health premiums for families. many families are seeing deductibles that rise above the $10,000 range. which means people don t have acce to hlth care. people don t have the ability to choose their own doctor. you talked about this the other night, and just one of the best speeches i ve heard from a president standing out that well in the house chamber when you addressed the joint session and gave an inspirational speech to the country laying out the things that need to happen and that you re going to do to get this country back and track and secure america. but one of the things you talk abouted is how it s wrong that unelected bureaucrats in washington have the ability to tell you what you can and can t buy for your family in health care. one of the most personal decisions families make. this bill finally starts the process of not only repealing obamacare, but also replacing it with reforms that put patients back in charge of their health care decisions. that lower costs for families. let them actually choose the decisions between them and their doctor which are so personal. and so as we start this process, the people in this room, the chief deputy whips are the ones that are going to be working directly with members to ultimately pass this fwoil your desk so that we can quickly provide that relief from obamacare to the people of the united states. and i know we are honored to have our former house colleague and now our vice president of the united states whose been involved in this fight from the beginning as well, vice president mike pence joining us too. thank you, vice president. thank you very much, steve. and again, we re going to work quickly. it s a great bill. we re going to have tremendous i really believe we re going to have tremendous support, i m already seeing the support not only in this room, i m seeing it from everybody and i m seeing it from look now old news i got elected to a certain extent. pretty good little chunk based on the fact, repeal and replace obamacare. and many of you people are in the same boat. very important so let s get it done. thank you all very much for being here. thank you. okay. thank you. thank you. thank you. thank you. okay. let me walk you through what we just saw. that s president trump at the white house meeting with members of the republican house leadership. they call them the whips office. those are the folks on capitol hill who are noent kind of whip up the votes and help pass legislation through the house. you heard from steve scalise, he s the house majority whip and you heard from the president saying we have a lot of support saying that this is a plan that we can back. i m proud to support the replacement plan released by the house were the words of the president just before that though, i would note that we were hearing from members of the house and two senators, members of the freedom caucus, conservatives who have a lot of concerns about this health care plan. we heard them speaking on capitol hill, eight of them spoke before the cameras. i want to bring in now nira tandem. she served in the obama administration as a senior advisor in the health and human services department where she worked on the affordable care act in the beginning. bill ystal, founder and editor of the weekly standard. bill, i want to go to you first, that was quite a jux position what we just heard. members of the house and senate saying we have some problems here. we re not ready to support this, it s too important to rush this through and the president saying everything s fine. a lot of republican members in the house especially are going to have indigestion tonight trying to figure out they don t want to derail the first major piece of legislation tabled by the speaker of the house and supported by the republican president. they had deep concerns about the bill that was just unveiled monday night being rushed through in this way. mark-up is tomorrow, one of the most effective criticisms of obamacare which seems to be all these deals under the table and late at night and rush votes. i wonder what s going to happen. this is a big moment though and you saw serious members of the house, jim jordan and serious senators for the first time breaking with their republican president, president trump. and let me get your take on this, you worked on obamacare, you know how hard it is to make the sausage, right, to get something through. republicans would say, look, they ve got the majorities, they can do this. it might take a while, but they can do it. yeah, i think what you ve seen over the last 24 hours is how difficult this process is. i mean, we passed the affordable care act and there was ewe nam anymorety on the divisions. and it was not an easy feat. it is really hard. but we did not have this level of disagreement. there is not just disagreement between the trump administration and the trump white house and
so much brian kelly. you know i love you, genuinely one of the kindest people i have ever met. i love this show love, we will see you online, foxnews.com/outnumbered, now happening now . jenna: we start with a fox news alert, the trump administration is expected to address breaking developers on pending votes in the house for spending and healthcare a short time from now when the daily white house briefing begins. jon: we will take you there live. we also anticipate hearing about the crisis with north korea. we re covering all of the news happening now . congress reaches a deal to fund the government through september. are we seeing a new bipartisanship in washington? and new science of g.o.p. unity on healthcare, do republicans have the votes they need? plus, the u.s. sets to test another interdental intercontinental ballistic missiles with nuclear capability as the pressure on north korea he thought. it is all happening now . jenna: to begin with a fox news alert and a fresh display of bipartisanship on capitol hill, advancing vote on the spending bill while we are also seeing signs perhaps of g.o.p. unity on healthcare. had to add that disclaimer because you just don t know these days. welcome to the second hour of happening now, i am jenna lee. jon: i m jon scott. as we learn about the big boats taking place in congress we await reaction from the other end of pennsylvania avenue, the white house daily briefing will kick off about 30 minutes from now. follows a busy weekend with the administration and the president touting the first 100 days of the trump presidency. let s begin with chief congressional correspondent mike emanuel live on capitol hill with more on the latest going on there, mike? good afternoon. the serious effort to get things done in congress this week, finding the government through september, also a serious push to get the final book 8 vote to push healthcare reform on the house floor. that has long been our priority, unfortunately, because of obamacare, we continue to see premiums increase, co-pays, 1 out of 3 counties in america only have one plan available to them, so we need to be taking steps to ensure that everyone has a better healthcare future in this country. on the new government funding bipartisan agreement, speaker ryan says america will be stronger and safer because of this government funding bill. it acts on president trump s commitment to rebuild our military for the 21st century and bolster our nation s border security to protect our homeland. there is no funding for the border wall, no money for a proposed deportation force, no cuts to stationary cities and no cuts to planned parenthood. one sticking point that has been resolved was health benefits for retired coal miners and lawmakers from coal country states like west virginia, kentucky, and ohio are pleased that issue will be resolved when the legislation is passed. it means thousands of coal mining families, retirees, widows of coal miners can rest assured that there won t be every four months of your healthcare coverage expires. imagine that. you get a letter in the mail every 3-4 months to say six weeks from now, your insurance is going to expire. this is a group of people more likely to have health problems than your average 40-year-old so this is really, really important. when you take a look at the $1.07 trillion government funding package, there s always something folks can like and certain aspects folks do not like. it is called a compromise. jon: that does not happen very often in that building where you are. mike emanuel, thank you. this has been a big priority for the president but also republicans in the house could we have known obamacare is simply unsustainable. it s collapsing under itself, and we have to take drastic action to repeal and replace it. one of the big things that is being discussed and is currently in the bill, i know the controversy you mention with pre-existing conditions, that is in the bill, but there also gives some sensibility to the states so that was an important obamacare assembly one-size-fits-all which we knew would not work. what always works in california may not work in florida or south dakota, so this bill offers some choices in with tha that, hopefully will give some lower cost in again choices for consumers. jenna: that was deputy white house secretary sarah huckabee sanders earlier on our program talking about what was the thinking was, that bipartisan agreement to keep the government up and running in the agreement when it comes to healthcare. that would be strictly with the republicans. let s bring in fox news contributors, former campaign manager for president ronald reagan. great to have you here, while we watch this drama play out, we don t have anything yet when it comes to healthcare but you hear from the white house around else without knowing the details is a hard sell. i think at the end of the day here on the bipartisanship, this is a short term, five-month budget fix, everyone got a little piece of something. the big budget comes in october. the defense did not get what it want to, the president promised, he made a lot of compromises which is very positive in the supplement of but not willing to make, rises at this point in time. jenna: i m curious about your thoughts on this final question with president trump that if we do nothing, this is going to collapse, and everyone is going to have to be brought to the table. is that feasible still? we certainly do not want to see that for our viewers or ourselves. what are the different scenarios? here is other scenario. senator schumer hasn t said if you just take obamacare and do some fixes to it, we democrats will participate. ed and i have both been involved in bipartisan legislation. it is tough to do. but there is no willingness if it is the republicans so committed to repeal and replace that they cannot do bipartisanship. the problem is they do not have a bill. you can repeal, vote tomorrow to repeal, it is the replacement that is the big problem. equally important, a lot of people don t believe it s going to crash and burn. they still think it s going to work and like it. traditionally when you do a big piece of legislation, you give people something in this case, you take something away. jenna: would you say the president should sit back? if i was in the white house, i would let it go and let the tax bill go and work on the budget. if i get votes moving forward, i would do it later. jenna: interesting, see what sean spicer leads with to see what their priority is. i think they are pushing this through and it is at their peril. jenna: great to have you both, interesting conversation. it is healthcare, it is pretty serious. quick programming note on two new shows premiering on the fox news channel later today. fox news specialists airing for the first time at 5:00 p.m. new contest that could come at any time. and congress takes action tomorrow debating a new round of sanctions against the rogue nation while the trump administration reaches out to asian allies in an attempt to contain kim jong-un. rich edson live at the state department for us now. good afternoon. the u.s. congress and house tomorrow will debate a new round of north korean sanctions, that is coming up tomorrow, bipartisan bill that tightens existing sanctions, economic sanctions, it also targets those who employ north korean slave labor, north korean shipping and requires the administration to determine whether north korea is a state sponsor of terrorism. this is working in concert with the administration strategy which is essentially to get other countries, namely china, to further enforce existing sanctions and to also isolate north korea economic and diplomatically. one analyst says the key to pressuring north korea is to get china to commit. koreans have seen so many sanctions imposed on them by the u.n. that they are sort of blase by now. but indeed, if china actually starts to enforce them, then i think they sit up and take notice because that would be new. this is after the secretary of state on friday held a special meeting to the u.n. security council, it was designed to figure out ways to discuss pressuring north korea all part of the initiation effort to get the rest of the world s sense of urgency behind the north korean issue. the secretary called out china specifically as china makes up about 90% of north korean trade, however, china s response to that was that solving the nuclear issue on the korean peninsula does not lie in the hands of the chinese side. this very much continues to be an effort from this administration to push china. state department says it wants to see changes in north korean behavior within the coming months. secretary of state says he is willing to pursue this strategy of pressuring north korea who wrote an unsubstantiated dossier on president trump. a lab report from our nation s capital coming up on that. ere we are awaiting their daily white house briefing such a start moments from now, we will bring it to you life and it begins. didn t recognize our grandson. 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underwent surgery, some are still in critical condition, one man also broke his arm while running away from the scene. jenna: some new information on the russian investigation as the chairman of the senate judiciary committee chuck grassley says the fbi provided inconsistent information regarding its ties to crist do my christopher steele. he s a former british spy who apparently wrote that dossier claiming that they collected, rising information on president trump. this comes just two days before fbi director comey is set to testify before that committee. our chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge live in washington with more. thank you, head of this week s highly anticipated public testimony, the republican chairman of the powerful senate judiciary committee sent this letter to fbi director james comey, accusing him of making inconsistent statements about the bureau s relationship with former british intelligence officer christopher steele. he wrote the anti-trump dossier and steele said it contain unverified information but was still published by buzzfeed and is the subject of legal action paired the fbi used the same dossier to justify surveillance warrants of a trump advisor during the 2016 campaign. senator grassley in the ranking democrat committee member dianne feinstein met with james comey for a closed classified briefing earlier this year and new documents provided by the justice department to the committee s conflict with that briefing. he writes, there appeared to be material inconsistencies between the description of the fbi s relationship with mr. steele that you did provide in your breathing and information contained in justice department documents made available to the committee only after the briefing. some democrats say the allegations in the trump dossier have a lot of merits be of the raking democrat on the house intelligence committee adam schiff ran them into the record during the march 20 of russia hearing where comey testified along with the nsa director. is it possible that all of these events and reports are completely unrelated and nothing more than an entirely unhappy coincidence? yes. it is possible, but since it is possible, may be more than possible that they are not coincidental, not disconnected and not unrelated. in a new seven-page declaration, steele told the british courts that large sections of the dossier were unverified and said they were never meant to be public in any form. jenna: thank you. jon: so we are awaiting the white house daily briefing. it is such a start about 9 minutes from now. when sean spicer stepped to the microphone, we will take you there live. whoa, this thing is crazy. intuitive one touch video conferencing is a reality. and now it s included at no additional cost with vonage business. call now and see why 3,000 companies a month are switching to vonage. business grade. people friendly. on a perfect car, then smash it into a tree. your insurance company raises 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do something? we do have to do something. we have to do something with partners in the region and globally. that involves enforcement of the u.n. sanctions that are in place. it may mean ratcheting up this sanctions even further. it also means being prepared for military operations of necessary. jon: that is h.r. mcmaster, the president s national security advisor. with all the options on the table to deal with north korea s growing threat, the u.s. is preparing for a new test of an intercontinental ballistic missile two days from now. it comes as the house moves to vote on a new round of sanctions on the rogue nation as the effort to contain kim jong-nam testifies. joining us now is a senior research scholar at columbia university, weatherhead east asian institute, former cia senior north korea analyst and managing director for our group asia. it is great of you to be here. the missile test that the u.s. is conducting, clearly we are trying to get kim jong-un s attention. is it working? to see pay attention to that kind of thing? i think kim jong-un is playing due to my paying attention, he s very paranoid and concerned about washington and controlling washington so when the trump administration says all options are on the table in week test icbm missiles, we will get his attention. jon: we are apparently getting ready to ratchet that sanctions even tighter on north korea. vote that be helpful and effective? i think it will be effective. sanctions have been in place for a couple years, but they re only about a year, so around took three years, but north korea has not been affected before because of enforcement issues. don t have enforcement on the ground. secondary sanctions is important, but this means probably going after chinese banks and entities doing business with north korea which would then cause strain with beijing. jon: the chinese have indicated to president trump the fact that they are willing to get a little tougher on north korea. do you see active signs of that other than blocking the cool shipment? i think we need to see, that is something that will take time. if china is really serious this time around, they did unfortunately say many times in the past they would do it and enforced sanctions but we know that china has not been active in that. so we have to see where china really is if they are being serious. jon: the president has held off declaring china a currency manipulator, for instance, because he wants their help with this very problem. is that a fair trade-off in your view? i understand what trump administration needs to do is try to put maximum pressure on china and also give some incentives, economic incentives, but i am not sure. again, i am not overly hopeful that china will actually follow through, so i think the trump administration might be disappointed down the road. jon: do you see the north koreans testing and other nuclear device? they have been trying to test missiles. those test, as chris wallace was saying, they have not gone well. but another nuclear device, do you see them taking provocative steps? absolutely. i think north korea has to follow through with my missile test and even a nuclear test. what they might consider or reconsider, the key question is will they test icbm s? that is the critical threshold for the united states, whether they successfully test an intercontinental listing muscle that can reach mainland united states. jon: they have said they are going to bolster their nuclear force to the maximum. they really are maintaining this bellicose attitude. that it would not seem is warranted on the part of a country that is really not all that strong militarily. what they have is nuclear weapons, and that is why it is really hard for kim jong-un to keep that up. i don t think he will give it u up. he is seeking legitimacy and spending the time tube perfect this that his father and grandfather have pursued, it has cost billions of dollars, and kim jong-un said himself that this is his mission. we are in for a long road ahead, i think. jon: it sounds a little writing, some of the prospects, thank you very much. jenna: a bill is one step closer to becoming law in texas that would penalize sanctuary cities in the state and punish local officials who do not enforce immigration law. our legal panel takes it up. we are awaiting the daily white house press briefing such a start any moment from now. we will bring it to you live when it begins. jon: all kinds of issues on the front burner when sean spicer begins the daily white house briefing just a few minutes from now, at least that is when it is scheduled. you have tax cuts, perhaps replacing and repealing obamacare. you ve got this north korea situation. all of it is on the table. press secretary scheduled to be she s already running a few minutes late, but we will take you there live when it begins. jenna: to texas now, and they are one step closer to passing a ban on sanctuary jurisdictions in the state, that would hold local police chiefs and other officials accountable for not enforcing immigration laws. doug mckelway is life in washington with more on that. they have one of the toughest policies of any state regarding illegal immigration and this winter instituted a policy that denied states grant money to any texas city that provides sanctuary to illegals. now texas is on the cusp of a tougher policy with expected passage of sb 4, 8 bill that would allow for the finding and even jailing of shares, police chiefs and mayors who do not follow federal immigration policy. one, and expose them to very high fines, about $25,000 per day, it could expose them to jail time for any sheriff or other official who adopts the century city policy, it can also subject the county or city or whichever political body it is to legal action in the event that they released somebody. the liberal enclave of austin, texas, is a sanctuary city, and it is right in the crosshairs of that legislation. to be clear, somebody that is in this country undocumented has committed a crime to the next civil violation, not a criminal violation, a civil violation. and our police, our local law enforcement personnel, their job is to go out and apprehend people who are violating or suspected of violating criminal laws. the texas bill would also allow law enforcement to question any detained person about their immigration status. opponents of this essay it is the show me your papers bill, but supporters note it is not allowed police to question just anybody for the sole purpose of determining their immigration status. the texas senate and house have passed different versions of this bill and will likely be reconciled, passed and signed by the governor by the end of this week. it will be taking effect by september. supporters already expected it to be challenged in court. jon: for more on this, let s bring in our legal panel, john is a criminal defense attorney and a former prosecutor and criminal defense attorney. it sounds pretty astounding, the idea that the state could actually prosecute local officials for failure to uphold the law. astounding or genius because this should have happened a long time ago. the state is now doing its part and saying, listen, it s not just up to the president of the united states to stem the tide of illegal immigration. the states can do their part, too appeared to make it a crime to fail to obey or cooperate with federal immigration authorities is a smart way to g go. jon: listen for a second to governor abbott, he says essentially we are a nation of laws and that is why he supports this bill, listen. when you look at the function of a government whether it is federal, state, or local, our primary function as government is to keep our people safe. it is an x usable for travis allen to do what he has done which is to release from jail people who have committed crimes against her alleged of committing crimes of sexual assault, sexual assault of minors, and many of those people back out on the streets, that is contradictory to the function of a government is supposed to do. jon: how do you what is your take on what the president has to say there, does he have it wrong? but he is not considering is someone s fourth amendment right, and i have said this before, i will say it again. this is less about immigration and more about the constitution. what this bill is doing is forcing local law agencies to make a choice, either to comply with this bill or to comply with the constitution. if they don t comply with the bill, they are looking at being jailed up to a year or if they don t comply with the constitution, then they could be held liable for millions in a civil suit. it is not fair. the law enforcement, local law enforcement already have a toughen up job by having to try to get rid of violent crimes, real crimes in their areas, and now in addition to that, they are going to have to spread the resources, limited resources that they do have are going to have to now spread that and now try to advance immigration laws, federal immigration laws that the federal government should be paying for, not local government. jon: specifically, how would they be violating the constitution? here s the thing. if they want an undocumented immigrant to stay in jail, then what they need to do is get a warrant fear what were just going to lay out as probable cause to believe that they are undocumented. that would give the local law agencies no choice but to comply, but what you have with an un-dump do and documented immigrant whose case is then suspended or dismissed or whatever the case is disposed o, there is no way you can hold somebody beyond the time that the law actually allows you to. that is where the constitution comes in. jon: joanna, what do you think about that? i think i have a constitutional right just like kate steinle did not to be killed by a violent longtime criminal, illegal alien in this country who was let go numerous times. let s also remember, the feds are not just plucking people off the street willy-nilly. if you come to the attention of i.c.e. authorities it is because there is a reason. if we don t work hand in glove together, we will never solve this problem, that is what i think. this new bill is going to allow officers now to make up a reason to stop people then question them about their legal status. that is actually wrong. number two, yes, i agree, don t let undocumented immigrants who are violet out on the street, but if it is so important, get a warrant. get a warrant. get a warrant if you have an issue. if you think cops have the time to make up reasons to stop people instead of just stopping people because they do that now. they do that now. it is called racial profiling. jon: you can see why this issue is browsing so much attention in the state of texas. we will continue to keep an eye on this story and let our viewers know what happens there. thank you both. jenna: in the meantime, back to the breaking news out of texas today. in an area of dallas, southeast area of dallas where we are getting reports of an active shooter situation. as this has unfolded over the last 40 minutes or so on our program, what we ve been watching as this. the news initially was that a first responder or firefighter was shot by somebody that we don t know is the person that placed the call for the first responders to come, so we still have a question about that. was it the person that called that was also shot? we don t know and we do not know where the suspected shooter is. we do know authorities are looking for a man, and that is about all we know at the time. according to the dallas police association, officers are pinned down and from what we can see from our vantage point where you are seeing as well is that it looks like all of the emergency responders as well as police are focused on one particular home in the area. right now, according to our local fox affiliate on the ground, you have a firefighter in surgery at baylor hospital in the area. also our understanding of this neighborhood that there is some sort of training facility for firefighters, that may or may not be relevant. we are trying to piece together what we are learning so far. still police have an active shooter and dallas, and looking for the suspected gunman who apparently has a rifle. that is all we know. we will bring you more as we get it. also in the area of texas not far from there, there are severe storms that hit over the last 24 hours and throughout the south this weekend. this system is heading east now, want to give you a heads up on the weather you can expect. also awaiting the daily white house briefing set to start just moments from now. we will bring it to you live when it begins. .this is humira. this is humira helping to relieve my pain. .and protect my joints from further damage. humira has been clinically studied for over 18 years. humira 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very system you re working on talking about is working through the eastern midwest, stretching down into the south east, as of now, not particularly severe weather but still pretty good thunderstorms wrapped within the system. couple areas we still need to pay attention to. this is looking back off to the left, portions of southern indiana stretching to arkansas, 12-8 inches of rain, as a result, still flooding issues that take a little while for some moisture and rain to run into the creeks and rivers. as a result, we have flood advisory stretching across portions of missouri up into illinois and farther toward the west. still an area where if you re in this area even though we are not expecting more rain come you can see additional flooding so something to pay attention to. future radar with the system that continues to track this direction, here it is moving through the evening hour continuing to descend on the east coast. eventually, we will see some thunderstorms with this one as well, really hitting some of the major cities along the east coast in the night hours running into early tomorrow any wood neck morning. we see some really highlighting areas from syracuse, new york, down to the appellation mountains, but those are areas where we can see at least an isolated tornado, definitely very big rain, and this is going to stretch further to the south, maybe not severe weather far to the south, but these thunderstorms are sunday we will pay very close attention to throughout the rest of the evening and into tomorrow. tornado possibilities. not the highest on our list, just elevated but still looking for portions of pennsylvania up into portions of new york and down into the virginians, all areas where we put will pay very close attention. it is all being fueled as you know from fairly warm temperatures, we are seeing some cool air settle this way so temperatures will drop when the rain finally moves through the area. jenna: adam, thank you. jon: here s another look at what bad weather can do. turbulence on board one flight. 27 passengers injured on a flight from moscow to bangkok. some of those people thrown out of their seats. it was a boeing 777 that hit what pilots called clear air turbulence, meaning there was no warning that anything like this was coming. thankfully, none of the injuries, we are told, is life-threatening. jenna: want to know why, we do stores like that i remember the rest of my life. jon: keep your seat belt on. jenna: good advice. we are watching the white house pre-doing a press briefing room, should be a host of topics for them to speak on and we will bring you there live hopefully after a quick commercial break. we will be right back. that s cool. i got a new helmet. we know steve. it s good to be in (good hands). manait s a series of is nsmart choices. and when you replace one meal or snack a day with glucerna made with carbsteady to help minimize blood sugar spikes you can really feel it. glucerna. everyday 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you moments from now. a lot of big news to watch, we will bring it to you live when it begins. jon: thousands of immigrants and blue-collar workers are key mayday with demonstrations across the country. many of them protesting president trump s tough stand on illegal immigration. allison barber live in washington with more. people are starting to gather here right now, the group actually is not going to all be here until about 3:00, and an organizer tells me they expect to have 10,000 people show up here to protest this administration s immigration policies from this area where we are stating now, dupont circle. they will make their way over to the white house and hear from people like dnc chair tom perez. he s expected to be one of a fairly long list of speakers over at the white house. there are other protests similar to this one happening all across the country. if you began early this morning in san francisco. one took place outside of the immigration and customs enforcement building. this group right here in d.c. says they are speaking out on behalf of immigrants and immigrant workers, not only do they want their voices heard, but they also say they are demanding action. they are calling on congress to withhold funding for some of the key things this administration has said. they wanted to do when it comes to immigration, they want congress to withhold funding for the border wall as well as additional money to pay for i.c.e. agents. jon: allison barber covering that protest in the d.c. area, thank you. jenna: as we mentioned, awaiting the daily white house press briefing such as dart peered we keep saying any moment from now, but that is what we thought at 1:30 eastern time 25 minutes ago. we will just keep waiting, that is the truth. sean spicer set to hit the podium with big issues including the spending bill as well as healthcare reform. we will bring you there to the podium as soon as it happens. we will be right back. so when it comes to pain 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