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terms of helping trump keep something quiet, to help him in an election. that is still something of great value, i would think, for this case, depending on how prosecutors make that linkage. >> hey, jim. i want to go back and think about this in a broader way, and talk a little bit about just exactly what it meant, and we're going to relitigate the 2016 election, these ghosts are coming out of the closet the story about the doorman and the doorman's secret, a story that was written about in 2018 now it's back here in the middle of this statement of facts you know, the one thing that i have learned is usually if there is a story about a presidential candidate that's dirty in some way, the national enquirer is first on it and usually is

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how this worked, exactly how "the national enquirer" was in bed, figuratively, if you want, with the trump campaign. >> this story right here, the doorman story, though, which was run by farrow and others, may have been forgotten about, the allegations that he had a child out of the wedlock denied, but the falsity of that claim became another instance here i think it could get more attention. it was written by in 2018, but now, like many trump things, slipped into the memory hole here it is, prominently displayed in these documents. >> i want to bring in garrett haake in one said, but to this point you're making, it's a good reminder we have no idea what we have no idea about when it's under investigation. >> 100%.

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jim, i remember all of your reporting on this. i remember dragging you in here to talk about it, and i remember you in the -- in the documentary made about "the new york times" that the beginning of one of them talking about how this went down explain, just remind us how catch and kill works and how much it benefited trump and trump alone. >> well, as a great american said, it's deja vu all over again. i never expected to see it like 24 well, okay, catch and kill, right there is a tabloid term for grabbing a story, catching it, and killing it before it goes out, usually by paying a source that is going forward with that story. in the case of candidate trump, as we reported in great detail,

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there had been an effort with him and the national enquirer to get ahead of any story, to lock them down, and it's been clear now, as you talked about michael cohen, the president's then lawer and fixer, when he struck his plea deal with prosecutors, he said that his intention in helping in the catch and kill deals was to protect president trump, or then candidate trump, during the leadup to the campaign, to protect his reputation similarly, american media, which owns the enquirer, has spoken about the arrangements to pay off particularly stormy daniels and the fitness model karen mcdougal, who is alleged to have had an affair with trump, that was done again to help him in his campaign in campaign finance parlance, federal law i'll note, these are things of value. yes, it's a huge dollar amount, but these are dollar amounts spent to help someone in a campaign setting

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that's what is alleged to have happened here and other players have said that's what they were doing. >> when you saw in today's indictment that the scheme is very much described as the frame of the felony counts, does that surprise you what did that bring back to you in terms of understanding the story and how it works in terms of catching and killing the stories. w >> on one hand, i'm not surprised because trump, in the other case with the people that were investigated in relation to these cases, he was individual one. so he was always in the mix of this we knew about meetings with trump and david pecker to talk about being as the documents are called, eyes and ears for trump to make sure the stories they

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ago, you cautioned us to broaden the lens and look at this not so narrowly as usual, you were right you're always right. thank you for being part of our coverage and injecting the weeds that we hadn't spent much time in much more breaking news analysis still ahead for us we'll talk with one of the reporters who dove into that story that brought us to this moment and this very indictment, the enquirer catch and kill squeem don't go anywhere. we'll be right back.

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and others agreed in 2015 to a catch and kill scheme. that is a scheme to buy and suppress negative information to help mr. trump's chance of winning the election as part of this scheme, donald trump and others made three payments to people who claimed to have negative information about mr. trump. >> manhattan d.a. alvin bragg explaining the catch and kill scheme, directed by the ex-president that he and his allies pursued in order to better his chances of winning the 2016 presidential election bragg's indictment mentions multiple payments in the scheme to adult film starr stormy daniels, karen mcdougal and a former trump doorman that had a story about trump fathering a child out of wedlock

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conspiracy, but that's not charged. but you've got both -- the scheme, you've got stormy daniels, you've got the doorman who was trying to sell a story i think now it's gotten much broader. you have to -- i know there's been a lot of debate about the charges and we've been talking about it for weeks this is very cinematic when you look at it it is a conspiracy alleged before a presidential election to sway an election. this is more important how we can look at the rule of law and how it should be brought i know we're talking about falsification of business records. when we lift it up, it's incredible >> it's to your first point about who he is at his core is a big, giant lie, his wealth his business accumen, his

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