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what we worry about is all of these different deadlines add more confusion for borrowers as to when to make a payment. and again, we have so many bad actors in this space that are going to make it more difficult. so find your trusted messenger and make sure to stick with them through this process. >> and i know you guys are pushing for a widespread debt cancellation, but do you have any efforts on the front end of this? universities, colleges, schools being forced to control costs, maybe the government changing the requirements, because anyone can take out a student loan. they're not dischargeable in bankruptcy. are you looking at the front end of this at all, too, to prevent this issue from continuing generation after generation? >> yeah, absolutely. you know, and let's be clear, we're talking about people with student loans, not people who graduated from college. this includes trade school, this includes people that took out, as you said, anyone can take out a loan and not necessarily complete, but in order to once and for all to solve the student
indoctrinated with and this could be front and center. it is not worth it. send your kid to a trade school, i wouldn't send them off to college if they are at risk of being sold this. when they get out, they can't get a job, can't pay off loans and how long to deprogram them from this liberal ideology. >> kayleigh: it is troubling trend in society. how dare you demean anybody based on natural characteristics you have no control over. reminds me of a hospital worker in new york city, trying to get a bike and called a karen and activists jump on her and assume she must be the one at fault. >> joey: i don't understand how reverse racism is not racism i am not a professor and don't have a degree in that type of
i was told to be academicin, told to continue attending anti-racist workshops until you get it. >> kayleigh: university told fox news it does not comment on pending litigation. this is critical race theory in action. >> dagen: it is and illustrates and exemplifies systemic rot throughout our education system, particularly on college campuses. and it is instructive to parents across the country when getting ready to send their kids off to school, you are on the hook for potentially a quarter of a million dollars whether in cash or loans when you send your kid off to school. look and google the school you might go to, this could be what your kids are being
phil more fulfilled at two years of the degree than a lot of the folks in the four-year program. my daughter is in a four year at lsu. and she is in accounting. but there are folks that, to mike rowe's point, in liberal arts -- i mean, they should not make as much money as folks in the trades. because those folks -- i mean, those are many people across the board. >> -- >> or community college or people that choose a trade or the humanities, because it is both and. we need all sorts of people to run a successful country. i think what we absolutely need to agree on is sort of the shame or stigma around people that do go straight to a trade school -- i think it should be a flip. much younger we should start explaining to people that that is an option and that that is a very lucrative, as we are talking about, and important option as well. so, i think it really needs to start earlier, this conversation. and >> that's what mike and i were talking about. because grade test scores are falling. it's not for everybody. eldridge and for everybody. even in grade school you can
make as much as the folks in the trade. >> it's not comparing people that choose a four-year program or a community college or people that are in the trade or humanities. we need to agree the shame or stigma around people that go to a trade school. it should be a flip. that's an option for them, and that's a lucrative as we're talking about and important option, too. i think it needs to start earlier. >> that's what mike and i were talking about. because test scores are falling, it's not for everybody. in grade school you can figure out if you're going to be an intellectual kid or not. your thoughts. i know you've done articles on things like this.
experience? >> let me give a shoutout to them. >> watching us right now. >> watching us right now. i think he's only been there a couple weeks. anytime somebody goes to school, a college, whether it's a community college or four-year school, it's an adjustment, being away from home. what they are learning is limited. come this fall, a number of his teammates and others at the school, that will start working on trades and learning how the be plumbers and electricians and how to do a.i. work. they will be much more fulfilled in two years with a degree, than folks in a four-year program. my daughter is in four-year in accounting. folks in liberal arts shouldn't
>> my eyes were kind of open to trades coming up. college wasn't pushed in my household. my parents just kind of opened my eyes to some other opportunities coming up and trade school was presented to me at a local -- at my tech school or my high school i graduated from. steve exactly. i mentioned a moment ago when you were in high school you were an honor student and everybody thought next stop she is going to go to a cleaning, right? >> right. >> why did you decide not to do that and to enbark on entrepreneurial adventure that has gotten you to where you are today? >> after sitting counsel and actually thinking about what you are signing up for, which would be hundreds of thousands of dollars of debt, essentially, you really think about what you want your future to look like in the next 10 years and it's not paying off that debt. because once you graduate you are going to be in the hole. that was my thought process.