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and there is an argument, if you take their read. i think when they get to court on the evidentiary hearing on this, it's not going to look as close or as fuzzy as it does right now, and i know that jack smith was well aware of the removal problem. there is also the possibility that this could stay part of it in state court and part of it in federal court. there is -- that exception is available, and could well exist. so the big loss to me in going to federal court is no cameras. and i think the american public needs to see all of this. >> certainly we were watching what has unfolded in the past, january 6th, the watergate, impeachment hearings. there is, obviously, a huge public interest in these things. gentlemen, thank you so much. i'd love to have you back on again. >> sure. now, also donald trump and 18 co-defendants were charged as you know in georgia's 2020
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confidant, so-called javelin catcher. he is the person who executes the president's agenda and, of course, most important of all, he is the person you count on to tell the president hard truths. that's an area where, sadly, mark meadows utterly failed to carry out his duty as white house chief of staff. let me say as a kind of overarching point, there used to be stiff competition for the title of worst white house chief of staff in history. eisenhower's sherman adams, involved in a paola scandal. nixon's served 18 months for watergate crimes. georgia w bush's john sununu was run out of town after using government transportation for personal purposes. their misdeeds pale in comparison to what mark meadows is charged with. i would never minimize watergate, especially with john dean on a panel.
scandal, nixon's h.r. haldeman served 18 months for watergate crimes. george w. bush's john sununu was run out of town after using government transportation for personal purposes. but their crimes, their misdeeds, pale in comparison to what mark meadows has been charged with. i would never minimize watergate, especially with john dean on a panel. but think about it. >> smart man. >> think about it. h.r. haldeman went to prison for covering up a botched attempt to bug the opposition. mark meadows is accused of orchestrating a mafia-style shakedown of a state official for nonexistent votes and, oh, by the way, enabling the overthrow of american democracy. so he owns the title of worst chief of staff lock, stock, and barrel in my view. >> i want to bring in jason
but, it seeing, how did seeing the trump shot, compared to the others? >> it's sad to see people who had such power, who are accused of crimes, and of course in watergate, convicted of crimes. which may happen in this case. so, it's sad. seeing the actual president made me think about the fact that, i believed that we should indict richard nixon, and that maybe if we had accomplished that, and if we hadn't been stymied by special prosecutor -- saying no, impeachment is the right way to go. at a time when impeachment was actually a viable, real thing, that maybe donald trump would have learned that the law applies to the president, and he can't do the things that he did. so i am sad that we weren't able to do that. >> let's talk about this speedy trial request. sydney powell is the second codefendant a call for this after kenneth chesebro.
sanctions that they should. >> how important is that, especially in the context of watergate? the stain it was on the country, but also the crisis of confidence in political leadership it caused in washington. the rebooting of the republican party back in those days? i'm not making a direct comparison because the scope of it is so much bigger, but you have the former president of the united states. he has an inmate number and mugshot tonight. mark meadows, who had been his counterpart, the chief of staff to donald trump, has a mugshot. rudy giuliani, the presidents lead attorney in fighting long after the last whistle had blown, fighting for fraud. what do you see as the damage to political institutions down by all of this? >> well, in watergate, the initial reaction was terribly negative public reaction, as well as a political reaction. the republicans paid dearly, for the congress got its act together and became a coequal to the executive branch, and
they are not responsible for their client �*s conduct, not morally response will not legally responsible, not to advocate responsibility for employee conduct is a lie. perpetuated for way too long. in the bar, in the united states. and we saw lawyers involved in watergate, under richard nixon, lawyers involved in ourfinancial scandals including the ftx scandal, they pleaded advice of counsel, and lawyers here eight lawyers indicted in georgia for criminality. for felonies. they committed on behalf of their client. and they have no excuse for that. well it's an issue deeply contested, one that will have to be decided by a jury. let me show you the pictures from bedminster new jersey, you can see the congo way is starting to move.— starting to move. secret service and com an starting to move. secret service and company of — starting to move. secret service and company of president _ starting to move. secret service and company of president trial, - starting to move. secret service and company of president trial, we - starting to move. secret service andj company of president trial, we don't know if it's just leaving right now
courthouse is calling basically for a fair catch by waving this off as just performing his ethical duty as an attorney. meanwhile, former georgia republican party chair david shafer, he's looking for blockers, claiming he was just acting at the direction of then president donald trump. i'm joined now by a pair of former federal prosecutors who between them were part of the watergate and january 6th investigations on capitol hill, nick akerman and tim dahio agago williams. with meadows and jeffrey clark both trying to make this push from state court to federal court, we know what their end game is, but if they're successful does that mean the entire case could potentially move there? >> you would only move those particular defendants who asked for removal. so for example, if the court allowed for mark meadows or jeffrey clark to be removed to federal court, the remaining defendants would stay. one thing i would note that jeffrey clark could be looking
on, those because one of the factors in this georgia case is that you are not just seeing trump, here you are seeing all of the people around him. they are alleging a conspiracy and we are seeing government officials and people, lawyers who have long legal careers like john eastman, for example, showing up in a county jail and getting their mugshots released. put this in the context of all that you have lived through, from author gate on to the present day. >> conspiracies are favorite crimes for prosecutors because they hold everybody who is in the conspiracy to the overt acts and crimes of the other coconspirators. richard nixon was an unindicted coconspirator. as a result, all the evidence of his tapes was admissible when he was addressing issues related to the watergate cover-up. that will happen here, where