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derangement syndrome within their bones, i would hope they would take their duty as a juror to heart and give this man a fair trial. i'm not going to hold my breath for that. but the fact that some of these other networks, they failed to discuss this. and we know that if the situation had been reversed, a lot of these anchors on other networks would be up in arms if joe biden was in the same position and somebody had tweeted something about joe biden or lock up hillary. we know there would be mass hysteria oh that. but given the it's donald trump, the unfairness doesn't seem to boor them. howard: lucy, judge merchan admonished the press about undermining the jurors' anonymity, and i think he was right. this is where a person work, they've got three kids. sometimes it's not that hard to figure out. >> yeah. i mean, there's been conversation about whether or not this jury needs to be sequestered because they are being exposed in ways that are unprecedented. but to the point about whether
some level of accuracy whom might be testifying. whether or not they know which a sesequence they're going to testify. but fairly certain they at least know the universe of individuals that might come into the fray. see for the case is 34 counts of filing false business instruments as the checks president trump the trump organization paid to former lawyer michael cohen do they say reimburse the stormy daniels or to reimburse colum cohen for him paying stormy daniels précis a complicated question work at the same time alvin bragg said it's about election interference the former president orchestrated all this to buy stormy daniels sounds over their alleged affair. how does election interference case and up in a local new york court courtroom if that is not ? >> you're going to follow the money. it's looking at the purpose
our republic. but how much presidents can do an office without potentially criminal jeopardy it's a question the supreme court so it's a brightly is not definitively resolved our nation's history. liquid to be wrestling with thorny questions the seal team six you have the present order a political assassination everything to get present some degree of protection. granting absolute immunity carte blanche to any president. mid-may said the district court interpretation of immunity was too narrow, and possibly send it back for the dis district courto make a closer examination of whether president trump should be immune. >> even further they descended back to the trial court what with those all caps listings present trump of social mesas s of immunity is not granted to a president, every president leaves off office will be immede and guided by the opposing party without complete immunity of president of the united states would not be able to properly function but how does that land with the justices?
precedent. kind of talking about partnering with the aclu and some republicans, far left progressives and democrats all teaming up saying this is not something want to do. not just to add to that, but obviously something that the white house and congress need to stop and not do. whether or not the public pressure worked for the house, it's hard to see how it works for the senate. you hear the people in there is that public pressure. what they are saying is this is not a band. we are not trying to ban it. we just want the divestment from china. we don't want china involved in the app. they have all this time for someone to buy it if this were to go through this. president biden has already said he would sign it. everyone seems full steam ahead. a lot of folks are on the same page. this is the public pressure. you have a lot of young people: congress and send some wild things to them. but also imploring them not to vote yes on the bill.
the hill that against me and that wasn't relevant to this case. as and so the judge sugar, let's that trump's defense team will be watching this closely and see what judge mug shot allows a prosecutors to ask trump in terms of whether or not he'll testify or do you think the already said you're not testifying in this case? i think there'll be watching it but i think they've got a client. it's probably hard to control i think he would like to testify when we see each de probably that they cringe when he goes before the cameras at the end of the court day. and so they're thinking we're going to be able to keep him off the stand. there's not much for him to gain really bad mr. fine in this case because the facts are what they are. yeah. i'm in a payment was made. there's a paper trail. so the question is going to be had the prosecutors overreached. and so it's going to be issued to me to see are the here's the defense team look into attacks, the technical aspect of the case and talk to this jury, which is a very well educated jury. you get to lawyers and a lot of other folks are there. that's unusual, frankly, to have to lawyers on a jury so you know what they've got to be sending signals to them like this case should have never been brought, is opposed to necessarily just
you say they, who is this they? there is not some massive, coordinatedded approach on messaging among the left coordinating with prosecutors and media. i mean, if there were, the left would be a lot more effective in its efforts, right? so i think that we have to be clear about who is doing what. there is a case, there is coverage of the case. the coverage of the case may not be that interesting. it may be about whether or not he's sleeping while he's, you know, in trial. it may be about a whether or not certain things are admissible. but how the coverage plays out versus how the case is proceeding, those are two different -- howard: well, i agree with you that it ultimately comes down to the evidence and the testimony, but there is no way this would be virtually wall to wall on some channels without any cameras in the courtroom9 if the media weren't putting up the numbers. tomi, the media keeps saying, oh, trump can't campaign, he's stuck. hasn't he been able to get his message out in we showed you some clips at the top of the program talking to reporters
star students chance to speak it to her peers has been ripped away as quickly as it was given to her. so, what message do we want to send to her? that in order to succeed, you must stay silent about your beliefs? the systemic silencing of one side of the debate is not the hallmark of a healthy or vibrant democracy. in order to have a debate, have the free exchange of ideas, we can't keep moving the goal posts, deciding who can speak and who can't, what causes do deserve a platform and which should be d platform, and what words we are allowed to use, and which are off-limits. in order for speech to be truly free, it must apply to everyone, regardless of whether or not you may agree with it. usc valedictorian joins us next. vaccinated, it could still be you. i'm too old if you're under 45,
now equals gender identity the nutshell the new rewrite means they can take academic and though have access to bathrooms, walkable men could be house and storm rooms with women students and faculty must compel their speech by requiring the use of preferred programs of guidelines and are ignored or questioned you can be charged with harassment. francesca there have been questions about whether or not the administration would go this far or kind of softened this an election year but not so much. >> it is not action include sports that is one thing we are still waiting to see in terms of a rule but what if they quench about that whether or not the bite administration decides to even act on that said this to deal specifically with sex discrimination prevents the harassment the bite administration says if women were pregnant and a whole host of other things. it's important to separate this from that ruled the biting menstruation is looking at as to whether or not there could be transgender athletes playing in sports. shannon: is some of the same of
charges because the district attorney shows if trump is found guilty of these offenses that he truly did conspire the state and federal laws. that's a serious offense, and he should be held accountable. >> all right, glen, you're the former federal prosecutor. were you also skeptical of this case, the manhattan district attorney's case? >> i was really not all that skeptical, jonathan. when you see the mountain of evidence, okay, this is coming from the former career prosecutor, i understand. when you see the mountain of evidence that has been amassed against donald trump. when the folks who are suspicious of this sort of quality of the evidence in this case go to things like well michael cohen was lying. of course michael cohen was lying. in large part to try to protect donald trump and keep him out of hot water. but it's not the question of whether a witness lied previously that will convince a jury about the strength or weakness of the case. it's whether they are telling
tomi said, use the tools at his disposal, for example, media following him around to, you know, free wheel and have campaign stops along the way. i do think this is not hurting trump in terms of being out on the campaign trail because one thing everyone knows about the guy is he doesn't even really like campaigning. he likes to have massive, controlled rallies. he's not out in diners eating doughnuts with people or knocking doors. i don't think we need to feel too bad for donald trump because of i what this trial takes away from his ability to do here. howard: he was supposed to have a rally last night, but it got rained out. quickly, lucy, you say you don't have an opinion on whether or not a major network should give the former president, who is on trial, never happened before, historic is and all of that, four minutes to give his side whether he wants to cite a bunch of experts who agree with him? >> i don't think that one show's decision to not play a clip of