that everybody would be competent to come to. i'm not going to single out any one of them at this point. we need to demonstrate that this party is open, people are welcome to debate it, the issues, and i think that that is good for party, good for the country. >> you're just back from south carolina where i think he said something to you that was, shall we say, a little different. >> yes, mr. clyburn is there with his convention bureau hat on trying to invite everybody down to boost the economy, but i talked to him last week for some time, and he is very close to joe biden. what he told me was if joe biden gets in the race, it's a race for second place. now, there is a lot of democrats in south carolina who are less certain about that. >> there are a lot of democrats in south carolina going back ten years saying this is a hillary clinton state. obama proved he was reliable and