hominem. the vitriol we've seen over the last couple of presidential elections was exacerbated and made way more manifest during the trump and clinton campaigns. the reality is hatred is much more the norm in our political discourse than the exception. and i think all of us across the nation are seeing this sort of residue of that, and still really the life of that, in terms of our political discourse. >> i want to talk with you, all of you, but tom first, about the animosity, the lack of political discourse in this country. there is a new poll out there, pretty shocking numbers here. 63% of democrats say they find conversations with people who have a different view of the president as stressful and frustrating. you've got 28% finding those conversations to be interesting and informative. check out republicans, 40% say it's stressful, 52% say it's interesting. what's your reaction to these numbers, tom? >> well, one thing that's going on is that we now have the opportunity to spend way too much time talking to each other