and i think he doesn't feel entirely happy unless he's putting himself at risk. and i think he's shown time and time again that he plays with the rules and puts himself in situations that could put himself or other people in jeopardy. so i think it was exciting for bob. i think he comes from this incredibly wealthy family and has spent his life in the shadow of a very powerful father, a successful brother, and i think this was an opportunity for him to say, hey, i've probably done something better than all of you have done. i've committed three murders over 30 years and gotten away with it. so i do think that people have a compulsion to confess. i think that you carry that around inside of you. and i think that's what bob was expressing when he agreed to sit down with me. in fact, volunteered to sit down with me. >> it's like the words wanted to come out. that was my sense of it when we finally saw that aha moment. and when you started making "jinx," was any part of your motivation to have robert durst