Breyers last great important decisions if he were to step down. This notion that if we talk about it, it will make him more resistant to the completely rational choice to step down at this time, strikes me as just so childish. I mean, senators face this all the time. Members of the court have faced it throughout our lives, the question of should soandso not run for reelection, and adults deal with that. And he should understand that of course theres plenty of rational reason why he should step down. This is the perfect summer for him to do that. And the notion that if we talk about it, he just might stay there till hes, i dont know what, hes 82 now, i dont know. Do you not feel even the least bit superstitious about it, though . I mean, given what we have just been through with the last few vacancies on the court. Is there like a little, like, dont walk under the ladder, dont cross the black cat, superstition feeling for you about talking about it . Or is that just me . Youd have to prove to me that Stephen Breyer is not an adult. And then i could entertain things like superstition. But with adults in washington, you know, who hold these positions, come on. I mean, come on. Of course, of course theyre going to talk about it. Rationally, i am with you. But the little fear center at the core of my Heart Flutters and twinges with every utterance about this subject. Rachel ive got to leave it to you. I will never mention it to you again. I will mention it to millions of people on this program. But i just wont, i wont stress your heart that way again. I just am going to leave, i have to get my heart rate and my Blood Pressure out of the ceiling now. Ill be right back. I get it, i get it. Thank you, rachel. Thank you, lawrence. As The Moment Of Truth approaches for Voting Rights legislation in the United States senate, we had a big breakthrough today when Stacey Abrams announced that she agrees with and can support joe manchins proposed changes in the for the people act. A week ago when joe manchin wrote an oped with the title that broke democrats hearts, why im voting against the for the people act, democrats complained joe manchin did not mention anything in that article that he disagrees with in the for the people act, or that he would like to change. So yesterday, joe manchin met that criticism head on with a memo that he made public specifying the changes that he would like to make in the bill. And that was stage one of the breakthrough. Now, that felt like a Significant Development yesterday, but it was not until today that we saw how significant it is. When Stacey Abrams began her day on television saying that she can support the manchin proposal. Is that a compromise you could support . Absolutely. What Senator Manchin is putting forward are some bake Building Blocks that we need to ensure that democracy is accessible no matter your geography. Those provisions that he is setting forth are strong ones that will create a level playing field, Will Create Standards that do not vary from state to state, and i think will ensure that every american has improved access to the right to vote despite the onslaught of State Legislation seeking to restrict access to the right to vote. Joe manchins changes to the bill include making election day a public holiday, automatic voter registration, banning partisan gerrymandering, and requiring some form of voter i. D. With a range of possibilities that could include, for example, a utility bill. Democrats have opposed voter i. D. Provisions that could exclude many voters if its limited to drivers licenses and other forms of i. D. S that republican legislation use. And heres what Stacey Abrams told Nicolle Wallace today about why she can now accept Senator Manchins version of voter i. D. Let me read to you what stacy abrams said since that videos not going to tell you. Its about making sure that, yes, you can demonstrate you are who you are, but that the restrictions placed on how you do so should not be untenable. You should not be allowed to use your gun license in texas, but not your student i. D. So across this country we are seeing a clamor for people to say they want democracy to work for everyone, that there should be minimum standards that do not change based on your race or your geography. Georgia democrat senator Raphael Warnock said that hes very encouraged by joe manchins proposals and told nbc news, quote, i have never been opposed to voter i. D. , and in fact, i dont know anybody who is who believes people shouldnt have to prove that they are who they say they are. But what has happened over the years is people have played with Commonsense Identification and put into place restrictive measures intended not to preserve the integrity of the outcome, but to select certain groups. As Senate Democrats began uniting around a version of the bill that they could all support, majority leader Chuck Schumer announced hes going to file he was going to file a Cloture Motion that would allow him to bring a vote early next week, probably tuesday. That vote on tuesday will require a 60vote threshold that the senate needs on a vote like that in order to proceed then to actually voting on the bill itself, passing the bill itself after that 60vote threshold, only requires 51 votes. That means that 10 republicans are going to have to vote with the democrats in favor of proceeding to that bill next week. And joe manchin is the democrat who is trying to find those 10 republicans. Ive been talking to stacey, talking to everyone, trying to get republicans to understand, thats the bedrock of our democracy. Accessible, fair, and basically secure voting. Thats it. And right now, a divided country this is not about me, its about our country. People better start looking at how we got to where we got to january 6th and why we dont want to picks it. Do you think you can get republicans to vote i hope, i hope. Have you talked to republicans . Ive talked to everybody, im talking to everybody. You know that basically wikkowski signed on to the john lewis voting act with me. Youve got to keep working, you cant give up on this stuff, and you cant separate our country any further. After that, after joe manchin said hes once again in search of republican votes, after that, Mitch Mcconnell once again proved that what President Biden said about him yesterday is always true. Mitch has been nothing but no for a long time. And im sure he means exactly what he says. But well see. Nothing but no. And here what is Mitch Mcconnell said today. After joe manchin said he was in search of republicans. Heres what Mitch Mcconnell said about how many republicans will support joe manchins version of the bill. All republicans i think will oppose that. And so when joe manchin is on the senate floor next week for that vote, watching every single republican oppose him, will he then be ready to change the senate rule on the 60vote threshold as he recently said in a private discussion with a Nonpartisan Group he is willing to do under certain circumstances . Leading off our discussion tonight is democratic congressman colin allred of texas. He has worked as a Voting Rights attorney before going to congress. Also congressional historian norm ornstein, american about surprise institute, coauthor of its even worse than it looks how The American Constitutional System collided with the new politics of extremism. Carson, the question of the day for democrats. Do you agree with Stacey Abrams, can you support joe manchins compromise bill . Lawrence, i think this is like christmas come early. Because this meets the thresholds of what we talked about last time i was on your show. Which is number one, it allows americans to register to vote. Allows them to vote early by mail and on election day, free from interference. And it makes sure their votes are counted and not diluted through partisan gerrymandering. And so the first hurdle we had to get over was to get enough democratic votes in the senate for a Voting Rights bill. We have that now in this form from Senator Manchin. And thats the first hurdle. Of course, youve had about what the next one is, which is how we get around the filibuster. I think this is a very Good Development for anyone that cares about Voting Rights, and we all should. Norm ornstein, you were here last night discussing the fact that joe manchin when he was kind of caught on tape saying he is willing to change the 60vote threshold in various ways, including an idea first proposed by you and by senator al franken, requiring a 41 vote to block cloture, as opposed to the 60vote threshold. The pressure then would be on the republicans to come up with the votes, not the democrats. Is there any suspense after what Mitch Mcconnell said today, is there any suspense about what happens on that 60vote threshold vote, probably on tuesday next week, on this bill . None discovery, lawrence. If you noticed in that little clip with Mitch Mcconnell, he had roy blunt on one side of him, John Barrasso on the other. John barrasso the other day said, never mind a oneterm president , i want to make joe biden a halfterm president. Roy blunt in that private conversation, joe manchin said was his very dear friend, immediately came out and said, no way would i do this, turned around and said, now its the Stacey Abrams bill. Which itself is a pretty awful thing to have done. But manchin has made it clear for a while, if you read between the lines, or read between the lines, that he wanted to test the republicans when it came to the big issues. The January 6th Commission and Voting Rights. Once youve tested those, i think were on a path to getting changes in the filibuster that are going to give us opportunities in a lot of different areas, and this particular compromise, and im really delighted to be on with colin allred, whos a star in congress, as he was before. But this particular bill passes the test. And the voter i. D. , there are lots of ways of doing this that actually will be beneficial and not cost people and not make it difficult for them to get it. And if you do something, i had proposed a long time ago with andy young and Martin Luther king iii putting an i. D. Photo voluntarily on a Social Security card. You can get anywhere. Get it in a postcard. It wont cost anything. Then you can use it in state and local elections as well as federal ones. Curtis allred, the voter i. D. Provision in this bill, if it is passed into law eventually, would that override any of the voter i. D. Provisions that already exist out there in some republican states that, for example, allow you to use a gun license, dont allow you to use a student i. D. . Unfortunately youre talking about my state, there, lawrence. We have only a limited set of i. D. S we could use. It would. The voter i. D. We had in texas before they passed the restrictive photo voter i. D. Was exactly what Senator Manchin is talking about. Which is that you could bring a utility bill. I used to go with my mom when she would go vote, she would just bring her water bill, and she could vote with that. So thats actually just going back to where we were in texas previously. And as norm knows, as you know, lawrence, there are a lot of folks who dont have a photo i. D. Because they dont need one, because theyre elderly, but they like to vote in person, or they never had to get one because theyre not traveling, they dont have a bank account. Disproportionately, those folks are africanamerican and latino, especially in the south. Weve had court case after court case that has shown how discriminatory that can be. Proving who we are by having to bring Something Like a utility bill is a reasonable step and something i can support. Norm, take us to what happens wednesday, assuming the democrats dont get to the 60vote threshold on tuesday, whenever this cloture vote comes up. Play out for us what then happens in the senate. Joe marcin confers with the democrats, and what happens . So i think manchin may want to wait until theres a second vote on the January 6th Commission, which is what really i think started him down this path. But i think were going to see the democrats caucus with manchin, sinema, and everybody there, and begin to work through the reasonable options that manchin himself has said he would support. The one that al franken and i have proposed, including talking Filibuster Elements so you put the burden on the minority. Moving the number to 55. And in an ideal world, also making that present and voting. Ways as he said himself that shift the burden back to the minority. Theyre not going to want to have those burdens. Were still a little ways away from actually getting the right strategy and the right approach that all the democrats would support. Youll need all 50 and the Vice President in the chair. But were getting much closer. And i think its 100 clear that we will get no more than one or two votes, if any, among the republicans for this very reasonable bill in Which Manchin tried to reach out to them with the voter i. D. Issue. And then were on a path towards something positive. And it would be something that should make us all very happy. Carson allred, weve come a long way from some democrats during the president ial primaries thinking that joe biden was still working in the old world where you could do business with Mitch Mcconnell. There he was yesterday saying that mitch is going to say no all the time. He always does. And then today, mitch, of course, says no. Exactly the way the president predicted. So joe biden expected Mitch Mcconnell to be exactly where he is tonight. Yeah, you know, President Biden knows whats happening. And hes been paying more attention i think than folks give him credit for. But what i think President Biden needs to do, what Chuck Schumer needs to do, is treat Senator Manchin like dirksen was treated by lbj in the passage of the Voting Rights act in 1965, which is put his arm around him, even though hes a republican, and say, this can be your legacy. You can save our democracy by being the one who makes this happen. Thats how Lbj Got Dirksen to lead the fight and to pass the Voting Rights act in 1965 on a bipartisan basis to get around Southern Democrats who were trying to block it. What we need now is the white house, senator schumer, anyone else, speaking with Senator Manchin to say, listen, this can be your legacy. Youre the one that can turn back this tide weve had since 2013 with the Supreme Court gutting the Voting Rights act, you can restore american democracy. What we saw january 6th, you can respond to this. Thats what i think this can be about. Carson allred, supporting the Manchin Compromise also endorsed by Stacey Abrams, thank you very much for joining us tonight, getting your important expertise on this. Norm ornstein, as always, thank you for your perspective on this. Coming up, today the United StatesSupreme Court in a 72 decision once again upheld the Affordable Care act, and joe biden once again used his most famous phrase ever to describe what a very big deal that is. What happens to the party that has been lying for ten years that it is going to repeal and replace obamacare . David plouffe jones us next. Rar spending is trending. Just ask overly confident diy Rashida Rashida wait, was this the right wall . Or last minute gift shopping Rashida Rashida im putting a bow on it wow. Even sneaking away for a vacay rashida. Rashida shhh ive earned this . 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