he'll have to watch. thank you very much, brian todd. erin burnett "outfront" starts now. there's a photo of a hamas tunnel. this is as a family is evacuating from gaza, a neighbor shot in the head as he try to say flee with them in a secure zone. and exclusive video of trump talking about going to the capitol on january 6th to deal what he calls the problem. why special counsel may be seizing on this new sound. and she's known xi jinping for 40 years. she even up about the man she calls a friend, a man she had dinner with last night. let's go "outfront." good evening. the breaking news, israel says it's now found evidence of a tunnel under gaza's largest hospital, al shifa. the discoveries comes 48 hours after forces first entered the compound. the video was both filmed and released by the idf. you can see what they say is an entrance to the tunnel, it appears to be reinforced can concrete, pipes, cable, debris outside it. we were able to geo-locate this video. this is exactly where that tunnel shaft is located. as you can see it is located not far from where people are shel sheltering, but it is some distance away from where they found ammunition. terr near a booby-trapped car. hamas-run government media office in a new statement says the health ministry has repeatedly asked for, quote, teams to visit and inspect all hospitals to refute the false incitement narrative. they say there aren't tunnels under there, but the idf claim this will be one of what is proven to be a sprawling command center for hamas. they've been in there for 48 hours, hunting for tunnels. doctors are saying they've had to amputation limbing because of infection. and leaflets are being dropped, across southern gaza. those leaflets a few weeks ago were dropped in the early days. and in northern gaza. the south is where people had been told to go. they were told to go there in order to be safe. tonight we have exclusive new reporting on just how dangerous that journey is. we have this story of a man, along with his family and neighbors were given 30 minutes to evacuate, a track along which israel repeatedly has said, quote, is a safe corridor. >> we have designated routes to a safe zone south of gaza city, where there's no fighting. >> of course, again, the leaflets are coming down in the south, as you're about to see. rami found his neighbor dead, shot in the head on one. we'll have that story in just a moment. i want to begin with oren liebermann. israel, of course, is under tremendous pressure to show evidence of what they say is under that hospital, right? that expansive multi-level tunnel complex. is this all the proof right now? >> reporter: this is so far what we have seen. you showed just a few moments ago what happens to be a tunnel entrance, what they say is an operational tunnel used by hamas in the al shifa complex. we have geo-located it to inside the complex itself, worth noting the hospital is a fairly large facility. israel was under tremendous pressure to prove the argument and assertion they had made that hamas used the hospital above ground to shelter their terror infrastructure below ground. in the first batch of pictures they released, they were far short of proving that assertion. this, at least, shows something underground, but have they proven it definitive? we'll have to go inside and look, and we haven't been able to do that yet. doctors and officials at the hospital have repeatedly rejected it was used by hamas, and the hamas-run ministry there says this is lies. now, shortly before that video was pit out, they reesed a statement about a 65-year-old grandmother, ms. weiss. the circumstances of her death are unclear right now, erin, but the idf spokesperson said she she was found near the complex, in the same place as ak-47s and gre grenades. >> thank you so much, oren. now outfront now retimed army general spencer. and the co-author of "understanding urban warfare." i appreciate your time. this is your area of deep expertise. i want to show the video filmed and released by the idf of what they saying is a tunnel shaft, you know, surrounded by loose wires, dirt, it looks like chunks of concrete. what do you see here? >> i see basically a section of a tunnel shaft, for sure. i see a tactic, which is to avoid the biggest threat, which is a tunnel entrance and exit that -- this is something i've been seeing the idf do when they see a tunnel complex e. find an access through construction equipment to try to negate that, to get the information out like they know they need to as fast as possible, but i definitely see a tunnel. >> you obviously are looking at. they also put out a video of what they say is a cache of weapons they found in a truck, and other weapons found near an mri machine they put out last night. they've had forces inside the complex for exactly 48 hours, are you surprised by the extremely limited evidence they provided at this point, or not? >> no, not exactly. i know how deliberate and methodical they're approaching this and how much danger there is in both civilian casuals, since the main hospital is still occupied by so many patients, it does take time to intera complex, secure it and then start to enter buildings carefully, but there's also a rush to get information out. i understand -- i would also say i'm not surprised. we all want to see -- it is evidence that hamas was using the complex, but i also understand as a military person who's done this type of operation, how careful it has to go. >> as a rule has put out an make of network of tunnels, showing various rooms. if you look at it, what looks like two levels. we're not showing it, because we can't confirm it. we haven't seen it for ourselves. unlike a video the idf has produce, we can't geo-locate it. the level of detail is incredible. the question for you, major, if israel isn't even in the tunnels yet, how can they have created an make like this? >> i believe it's because they have human intel gens over years of what other people, whether it's informants, prisoners, prisoners of war, that explain the detail of what's under there, and then a rendering of human intelligence, people talking about it. it seems to be an intelligent -- kind of like a criminal rendering of what is believed by reports to be under the complex. major, i appreciate your time. thank you so much. >> thank you. and fourone family made a horrific adjourn where from their home in northern gaza, they were going south, though now there's leaf defend lets warning that that may change, but they filmed their entire journey. some of the imaging you'll see are graphic. >> reporter: gaza city, the 2-year-old distracted through the family's most difficult night of the war so far. with daybreak, the israeli military calls with an order. you have 13 minutes to get out. it was 9:30 a.m. on november 10th, with makeshift white flags the military told them to hold up, they prior pared for move. >> reporter: with the little they can carry, they head out, into the unknown, some too frail to walk. this journalist is filming the forced evacuation of his families along with 30 of his neighbors. his phone in his right hand, in the other, his son. he speaks french with his son, looking for his wife ahead. while waiting for other elderly neighbors struggling to catch up. >> reporter: that constant burst you hear is israeli drones overhead. it's been the sonde track of gaza for years, as they get to the other side of the street, he spots his neighborhood. something is not right . >> reporter: ahmed was shot in the head. he didn't make it. around the corner, two others, a man and a woman, also shot. it's uncertain who opened fire off group. cnn geolocated these videos, and straysed this deadly journey out of central gaza city. we provided the israeli military with the details, but they did not respond to our request for comments. we reach rami, now in the south. like most here, they were on their own. they got to shifa hospital, but so did the war. witness to it all, 2 years old whalid. >> translator: i kept trying to make sure he's not scared. i don't know if i succeeded. even the journey of humiliation where you take a donkey here, a horse there, i was trying to make it entertaining for him. >> reporter: i asked why he decided to film. >> translator: i just want this to get to the world, so they know the injustice. they cast doubt on everything we do. they're stronger in every way, not injure militarily, but with the information, the narrative, the news that comes out. what they say is the truth, and our words are lies. >> translator: please just deliver our message. i don't want anything else. i don't want all those who have been killed to have died in vain. >> reporter: he doesn't know what they'll do now, but says he will only leave his homeland forced at gunpoint or dead. >> reporter: erin, israel says it calls on people to leave to try to minimize civilian casualties, but as you know, the u.n. says there's no place that's safe. the palestinian health ministry drawing figures from the enclafd, and these a story of one family out of so many who are going through so much. we don't have access to them to tell their stories. this family happened to film their harrowing journey out of the north. thank you very much. hard to watch, but important that we all saw it. we have exclusive audio of donald trump talking about wanting to go to the capitol on january 6th, saying he wanted to go. he wanted to go at one point to stop what he called the, quote, problem. more of what he told jonathan karl. and the president biden being blasted, even the secretary of state visibly cringing over the term. tonight president biden's brother has subpoenaed. tonight, exclusive new audio of former president donald trump, saying he, quote, would have been well received by the people rioting at the capitol on kwan wear 6th. take a listen to this. >> if you look at the real size of that crowd, it was never reported correctly. there were -- it's the biggest crowd i've ever spoken in front by far. really, by far. that went back to the washington monument. >> you told them earp going to go to the capitol. >> i was going to, and the secret service said you could. i would have. then when i got back -- i wanted to go back. i was thinking about going back during the problem, to stop the problem, doing it myself, the secret service didn't like that idea too much. >> so what's -- >> you know, i would have been very well received. don't forget, the people who went to washington that day, in my opinion, they went because they thought the election was rigged. that's why they went. all right. that audio comes from an interview that trump game to abcs in chief washington correspondent jonathan karl, who you heard there asking the questions. he gasp that interview just two months after the insurrection. our legal analysts say what you just heard in that exchange is highly valuable evidence for the prosecution. our ryan goodman predicts this likely will be part of the trial. first, jonathan karl is "outfront" author of "tired of winning, donald trump and the end of the grand old party." jonathan, you're sharing this exchange with us, and you write in this book this was an astounding admission, your words, by trump. he's saying he wanted to go, which is great. this is the whole back and forth over the grabbing the steering incident. he wanted to go, and that he believed he had control over the crowd. >> that he was going to be well received by the people attacking the capitol building, people assaulting police officers, trying to get in to stop that certification of the election, that they would receive him well. this was an interview i did as part of a long interview for my book "be ttrayal." at first i never really thought him wanting to go, but i heard cassidy hutchinson, the whole thing about trump -- >> that he lunged for the wheel. >> whatever he was doing, secret service adamantly refusing, well documented, so i went back. this is an admission that those were absolutely his people, first of all, but also he had control over those people. remember, he didn't go up there, and also didn't do anything to try to get them to stop. >> we all know there were other times to say they weren't his people, right? with the infamous call with kevin mccarthy, saying these are user people. that could obviously be ev evidence. you write that trump was, quote, despondent, scared and seething with rage. about another case, the hush money case here in new york. since then, two indictments, justice department and georgia found liable. the entire situation going on in new york, with that civil trial as well playing out. does he realize, jon, he'sal real risk of going to jail? >> i think he's come to see there's no difference with the campaign and his legal defense. they have merged into one. there's two potential paths in his mind. he can win back the presidency and do whatever he can to call it all off, or he faces the real possibility of going to prison. he uses apocalyptic terms to describe this campaign. it's not so much of impact on the country, but the impact on him. he calls 2024 the final battle. i think that's, for him, he really feels it's the final battle. he wins, he's triumphant or it's devastating. >> i'm sure he's well aware that's that harkins to armageddon. you write that now there's nobody even trying -- "new york times" said they tried to rein him in, and you write trump is more detached from reality than ever, and more will to trash the systems as a working democracy. you've covered him for many years. >> i wrote this for two primary reasons. one is that i think memories have started to fade what it was like, eye specially at the end of the trump presidency. there's been some effort to whitewash it or rewrite that history, but the second is people don't realize what has happened to trump after he left the white house. i do believe he's gotten more detached from reality, more willing to trash the customs of american democracy to win, to prevail at all costs, but he did have people around him in that white house who tried to protect him from his own self-destructive influences and tendencies, and to protect the country from those tendencies. those people are all entirely gone. he will have a team devoted to him. the most important qualifications right now to be in a potential trump administration will be loyalty. this is the smallest presidential campaign we have seen of a front-runner ever. >> it's stunning when you say this, when you say front-runner, he's absolutely the front-runner, and then kind of in the distance desantis, maybe. the latest poll we have of new hampshire shows nikki haley surging. that's half of where he is, but a huge surge for her. >> yeah. >> does he see anyone as a true threat? >> i think that he thinking he's got it essentially made, but i think they will look at that poll very closely, a real strong anti-trump candidate, like christie could have a chance. i don't think this primary is over. he is absolutely the front-runner, people treat him like the president trumpive nominee, but i don't think it's over. >> thank you. we appreciate you being here with us. >> thank you for having me. in "outfront" the former chief assistant d.a. worked with jack smith. you just heard the exclusive audio, the conversation that jonathan karl had with trump, and in it trump talks about wasn'ting to go to the capital on january 6th, referring to what was happening there as a problem. why do you think this is very significant? >> first of all, it completely corroborates what cassidy hutchinson was saying when she testified. after her testimony, there were many people, including they were saying people from the secret service denying that trump wanted to go to the capitol and tried to go to the capitol, and that they stopped him. this corroborates cassidy hutchehutch hutchen son and makes her a credible witness to testify at the trial. he really talks about going twice, right? he said, first i wanted to go with the crowd. he knew the crowd was there to stop mike pence from certifying the election. it goes to the intent, that he had the same intent. he wanted to make is so pence wouldn't certify the election, but then he also said i wanted to go stop the problem, as he called it, which is interesting. he could have stopped the problem. he knows he could have, and he didn't for, what, three hours? that part of it, i think, lacks credibility. he absolutely had no intention of trying to stop that problem. >> right. right. oar also admitting he knew early on it was a serious problem. you know, it is fascinating just to see it. in a conversation with someone like jonathan karl, who he's known for a long time, was in this extended conversation, so there was a sense he really opened up to him. when you look at the new information as you see it, karen, how does it add to jack smith's case against trump, to get seismic like this now? >> well, he 's going to analyze all the statements he's made publicly, and really analyze them against each other. he'll have said on the one hand i didn't think anything was going to happen, no, i wasn't part of the crowd and later saying, yes, i was part of it. jack smith will want the longer interview, all of it, and try to analyze it against all of trump's other statements. he may decide to want to put those in as inconsistencies, or he might want to wait and not put them in and make donald trump take the tapped, and use them to cross-examine him. we'll see if trump does testify. >> right. absolutely fascinating. of course, as i said, if for sure he wants to say tapes, it is a long conversation, and one of many that jonathan karl had with him. thanks very much, karen. >> thank you. next, i'm going to speak to this woman from iowa, who has known the chinese president xi engine spin for 40 years. she'll be "outfront" next. and the special counsel investigation n into hunter biden's s business deaealings, the presesident's brbrother now subpoenanaed. tonight, blowback from beijing, china's government lashing out after president biden called xi jinping a dictator after by all accounts a positive meeting. >> this kind of speech is extremely wrong and irresponsible political manipulation. will ripley is "outfront." >> reporter: in san francisco, a carefully choreographed reset of the rocky u.s./china relationship. president joe biden and xi jinping, a meeting months in the making, four hours of talks, me tick leslie planned, until president biden seemed to go offscript. >> reporter: after today, do you city refer to president xi as a dictator? >> look, he is. in the sense in the country that -- totally different government than hours. >> reporter: an off-the-cuff question calling a cringeworthy rye action from secretary blinken, and a swift strong responsibility. >> this is extremely erroneous, it's an irresponsible political maneuver. >> reporter: beijing had a similar reply, when he called him a dictator. on the streets of beijing, this man seems to agree with biden's description. >> translator: one-party system, to be honest and open, that's a dictatorship. >> reporter: something he says keeps china stable, put ago positive spin on the definition of the world. these long argued stability makes that system superior to western democracies. they never, ever use the word "dictator." needs does chinese state media. ignore the comments, even as they made headlines around the world, instead, focusing on the personal -- amplered limousines. >> like the cadillac we have over there, they call it the beast. >> reporter: on china's heavily censored social media, not a single mention over the outrage of biden using the "d" work. the chinese government takes that word very personally, blasting the germany foreign minister back in september. what sign would that be? >>