national security, not the health and human services secretary. >> also, they just frankly haven't -- i mean, his office just hasn't been up front about the reasons behind this or the number of tripts much at one point they were saying he's just so busy sometimes he's got to take private planes. one of these trips was to this island i guess where they have a house with his wife and there was some sort of a conference there, but they we want like -- st. simons, they went there like two days early. so the idea that, you know, there was no commercial flight, there was no way to get there commercially, i mean, that's just bunk. >> it has not held up and the reality here is we've seen a lot of these situations in washington before where you think someone may hold on. and this will be the president's decision. we will see about this. but they have not essentially followed, you know, crisis management 101 by getting everything out there. now you're wondering this latest revelation tonight are they trying to get everything out there? but boy, all these new rel lagsz