what it also showed was that he didn't have a grasp on policy. and i don't necessarily, i didn't think that it felt like he was in control of that meeting. >> no, don, he wasn't. and just to go back -- first of all, i like what michael said, "almost statesmanlike," a great book title for someone. the president in his adult life, in his late 50s, he flip flopped on abortion, he's flip flopped on a series of issues, on health care, the iraq war. he's gone back and forth when it comes to the daca issue, immigration, and the package together with the wall -- >> david, it hasn't hurt him, but -- >> the wall is something different because people lost their minds yesterday on this wall. i'm talking a conservative media, media who's in the tank over on the trump channel, on the other cable channel. they were losing their minds about this. >> sure. the ann coulters of the world were pointing out that this looked like the beginnings of a sellout. i think the problem for president trump and republicans is that it's going to be hard to walk this middle line where most americans are polling on an