>> is it possible that these stiff new tariffs against china are, in fact, a negotiating tactic and won't go into effect? >> yes. it's part of the process. i would take the president seriously on this tariff issue. there are carrots and sticks in life but he is ultimately a free trader. said that to me. said it publicly. he wants to solve this with the least amount of pain. >> can you have growth if there's a trade war? th point. ly we won'tet to >> chinese tariffs on soy beans, they went after fruit, nuts, wine and pork, putting hog farmers in america's heartland on edge. joining me from polo, illinois. thank you so much for being with me. >> thank you, brooke. appreciate the opportunity. >> i mean, we wanted to go