about renewable energy, i want to be able to get wind power from north dakota to population centers like chicago. >> on something like the electrical grid, that's an issue of american resilience, even against the threat of terrorism. a lot of times when you look at counter terrorism officials, the things they game out are an al qaeda attack on the electrical grid. at this point a snowstorm is an attack on our electrical grid. five days later, barack obama won the presidency. i'm still waiting for my follow-up interview. four months after he signed the presidency, he signed the american recovery and reinvestment act otherwise known as the stimulus. the bill included $4.5 billion. hundreds of advanced grid sensors and meters that help power companies monitor the entire system. that spending as part of the stimulus is part of why a 2003 style blackout is probably less likely today. yes, there may still be rogue tree limbs in ohio, they are less likely today to shut down everything up to ontario in terms of power for two days at a time. now that we are not doing that sort of spending any more, now