>> what we have hopefully done in this case. i do think it is hard to know, i do know the police when i was covering them, big city, like chicago, and they do something bad, they cover it up. and -- >> with a lot of pot lines, we know this. it is everybody's instinct. >> i'm much more ambivalent on the cop cams. i support them, because i think they are for the truth. but i think there is going to be a lot be lost. most of what cops do is not big capturing a felon. it is getting somebody's home, in their private life at the worst moment of their life, in domestic violence, if there are cameras on there, that we can trust, if those cameras -- if those videos go on youtube, as they will -- >> i know. that's the other thing. i can picture supreme court case coming where we have this issue on sort of the camera being an illegal search and seizure. >> but if it is that -- or somebody getting somebody shot, we have to have the dialogue, which is what we're doing, which is great. >> and work the issues out will you be able to pay for all the cameras? >> the feds have to participate