world. >> and welcome to hannity. so we had two leading governor e ,two major states who are tworn vastly different ideologies. o they just squared offe on t right here on this show. hannity and last night. explosive and informative, red state, blue state debate between florida governor ron desantis, california governor gavin newsom. it did not disappoint. >> take a look. gov. thatfornia doek.s freedoms that some people don't. >> other states don't. have the freedom to in public in california. you have the freedom to pick a tent on sunset boulevard. you have the freedom to create a homeless encampmen tt under a freeway and even light it on fire. i love the rant on freedom. i mean, here's a guy who's criminalizing teachers, criminalizing doctors, criminalizing librarians guy, d and criminalizing women that seek their reproductive care. seek thg it harderbannin to vote. >> you're banning books. i mean, spare me thig books.s of freedom. you almost have to try to messht california. >> that's what gavin newsom has done since he's been governor. you in particulador, run on ae n banning binge, a cultural purge, intimate dating rel and humiliating people you disagree with. he's verle that y good at spinningese tale these these tales. he's good at being slick, ard ol slippery hills. he'll tell a blizzard of lies to be able to try to mas k failures. >> the fact he's running away from his record. reco from the fact we do count gavin's inlaws as some of the people that have fled california. >> i mean, come to the state of florida. it's aboute of florida. the unif america. >> i thought this guy was running for president of the united states. esident you are. you just want him running for a year. you just won't admit it. will not admit it. only >> i'm the only guy here.gu it's a border state, governor. state gg and trying to find migrants to play political games, to try to get some news and tension. so migrantl s an can out trump trump. and by the way, how's that going for you? rump.ryan try to put lipstick on that pig. but the fact of the matter is, he has faileo pud the people of california. >> i can handle it. i'm used to bullying. you're nothing but a bully. >> you're understand that intimidating and humiliating people. >> that's your calling. all right. coming up, we're going to get reaction and analysis from both sides of the aisle. reand stay gingrich, senator rand paul tonight. and stay tuned. we have a major announcement at the endd. ave a ma of the program.ler spoiler alert, we haveal another big show, the works, and itrks e will happen next week. all right. unlike the other network'rs, wed are not afraid of a spirited debate. pow, none of this would have o been possible without both governor newsom, governor desantigoves. they both deserve a lot of credit and they seem to really enjoem to rejoy thy the opportunity. both thank me after the debate and, governor newsom tweeted out what a good time he had and wantedeeted ou to longer. and let's be honest, there wasat only one clear cut loser. and we're going to look at last night's debate objectivelyan. that'd be president joe biden. here's the reality. joe bide realityn never come ona program for a debate like last e night because he's not mentally capable. now, thinks not about this.ok, e look, i really don't believe joe biden could be a wal-mart or target greeter. okayrget. ar if you shop like i do.or do you ever walk in on walmart t? targe anyway, there are these wonderful kind emailheses, help, often retired people that will greet you and say," welcome to wal-mart. welcome to target. "wo targe looking for? they'll help you find it. they'll tell you where the department is that you're looking for.. i like that because when i go to a store, i like to go in. ablike to get out. now, i don't think joe would be able to remember where the departments at 80 one yearsf of age and steep cognitive declin agee. biden is having a hard time talking, walking and even staying awake. nstaying his hearing's not good. his vision is terrible. the font siz e on telepromptersot gigantic. he's not fit to serve. fit to servhe should definitelt be running for reelection. in fact, he has one major tripdw and fall away from ending his campaigncampai. and based on last night, we know the democratic party hasioh a much better option. who can walk and talk and formod sentence fs and debate and speak eloquently about the liberal issues that they're passionate about. and i've been warning conservatives and republicanss o to watch out for potential replacements for joe.ke it and gavin newsom, like it oror not, would be on the short list . i've been warning people. now, newsom does have one big problem. he's thehe's the governor.lden s california, the golden state has a lot of problems. notaw, maybe in fairness, it's not all of governor newsom's fault, but afte allvernor nr more thany of single party democratic rule, it's citizenso. are leaving the state in droves. they are leaving with their feet eytheir fe, their money.rnia, it and by the way, california, it should never struggle. it has more natural resources sa than any other state in the country. i lii lived there five years. it is a beautiful state. they have year roundutiful agriculture, the best wine growing region in the entire world valley. they have hollywood, disney. r private a majo equity and financial hub with some of the largest internationaofl in the entire world. it is a gateway to asia. but now california's population, it is shrinking and shrinking. dramatic li and while the u.s.. population grows every single year, while california is one of the only in history with negative growth now just cf three states california, new tork and illinois had a neor loss of more than 100,000 people in the years 2021 and 2022. one big question the cost of living. the states taxes, they are among the highest in the countrthe sthighest y. a whopping 13% top marginal rate. if you're a married couple in california and you make $84,000 a year, you are taxed. your income ta x rate is 6%. that is a ton. it's expensive to live t in californio a and florida. income taxes are zero. not nobody pays income taxes. the state regulations are alsola extremtions e when it comes to california. housing costs through the roof. theit's homeless population. it is the highest in the country. crime is also a massive problemm in california. the violent crim e rate in the state is double the rate of florida. significantle y higher thanal the national average. these are real problems facing the citizens probl in californi. it is some of the most extrememd at the time covered policiestr in the country. it's just kids. they were kept outy.ds were ofe than most other states. and yet this is an interesting fact when you think about the different approaches to covid. e the covid death rate in california was similarniar to florida's, according to the cdc. and interestingly, botaccordinhe the national average. now, the bottom people are boaving californiath yet for a reason. the bottom line here. it's a hard placttom lin's a ha, especially for middle class americans. california's governmeniddle-clas stifled development, raised taxes, increased costs, failingo to maintain important infrastructure like infr grid. crt and the state has also dropped the ball when it comes th public safetydrop. but this is not the result of incompetency. instead, these problems are caused by ideology. lems arecan be turned around.e u and sadly, a lot of these policies are driven by what i call the climate alarmists religious cult call th and these woke social justice warriors out there. california has thrown reason and logic too often reasn to thd in order to appease the emotions of far left ideologueoffar lefts. and now the numbers speak for themselves. but despite all of this, everyone on earth knows that gavin newsom would be a beuld bedemocratic candidate, br democratic candidate than joe biden. now,emocratic candid will joe bp aside. will vice president harris step aside? because he only you know, in the case of joe, he seemsusec to only care about himself. anyway, here with reaction, fox news contributor, former foe speaker of the house newt gingrich. all right. first, your general thoughts. what didl right, first yneral y? and, you know, why is this there mass out of new york, illinois, new jersey, california ill, but they move to florida, texas, tennessee, the carolinassee, ths. >> why? f all, well, first of all, listen, i watched last night with great interest. i've known you a long time. you were the big winner last night. you did a great job. way you were very fact based. i love the way you put up charts. therute were just factual. sta >> you were balanced and youye stayed control. wad really, i think it is maybe as good a performance as you've had in your entire career. and that's set the stage, i think, on on substance. desantis s clearly won.ntis h but that's because desantis has a lot better casas lote. wn gav and i thought gavin would have known gavin since he was mayor of san franciscoin. i wrote a very smart book on on modern technology and citizenshiogy anp. wed gavin is very clever, but you watched him last night. there were two things going on. how praising joe biden to prove to the democratic party he's loyalth and personallyd pe attacking governor desantiss. because he couldn't answer the questions. i thought the most obvious was when you said i thought it was a great question. you said to each of themyou sail me something you like about the other state. desantis was prepared, hadd the, lived there like california. frankly, his answer could be a commercial for california. newsomacommerci could not say ae word about florida, even though his in-laws live in florida. and i just thought it was ani ju stinteresting you know, newsom had to go on the attack and be personal rather than deal with the issues. >> you know, i gwith the issueo we've go back a long time. i was the emcee the night you became speakerme and. that was for me, like a dreamme come true. and we've been reall true.y good friends, almost family, ever since. >> and you've been a mentor in so many ways. to m e. and one of the things that i wanted to do is i really wish where i spent the most time, two i wanted to focus on two things. one, what are the issues that impact everybody? and that would be taxes, that would be immigration. that wouldthat wou be energy,e a that would be gas prices, etc. crimet cete. and then the second thing was i had to get my facts lined, fact check everything, because i knew the media would want to,n you knowt to, attack me if i got one thing wrong. and know me and my great staff.l ri we really did a lot of due diligence to get it right. and i thought it was worthwhile for the country to hear from both sides. and i it's beneficial.t wa >> and it was really a model. now, me let me just say, i thought it was a model because when you would put up a chart, it was all fact based, but it wasn't slanted. >> it wasn'tanted. right or lef. this wasn't. hannity the commentator who can be pretty aggressive. >> this was a guy trying to give to significants th governors, the largeste and third largest states in the country, a chance to explain whyent. they're different. and, of course, the great problem for gavin newsomgrea is when you get down to the facts, it's a fact. people are fleeing california. now, he doesn't want to talkacks about that with any tax. it's a fact that gasoline is about $2.50 a gallon higherln in california. he doesn't want to talk about that. it's a fact, as you pointed oukb . and where i thought i thought probably newsom was the least in touchewsom wa with reality. if you have a zero income taxx n in florida and a 7% income tax in california, how can you argue that floridians pay higher taxes than people ing california? it was just a fascinating moment. but all of it. . buwhat i admired was two things. all of it was fact based. you were putting up charts, you could see where the facts came from. and second, when it got contentious, you didn't get in. you didn't become the third debater. you weredter. more mature and mm a real moderator than almost anybodanybody seen in the so-cad presidential debates. >> wow. coming from you, that's a high e compliment. i do think the years that i have moderated debates on radio. certainly helped. but that's the speaker. mr. e apprece you being with us. >> thank you. all right. now to an honest questioanestn.d how would you grade last night's debate and would you like to se w e more of these debates in the future? joining us now, fox news contributo r joe carter, who would be a great media host, medimedia show, along with the co-host of the five, jessica tarlov. good to see you both. jessica, let's start with you. coming the left. what did you think of last night? well, i was first and foremost thrilled to see it. k it's an important conversation to be having. i think gavin newsomi thine bid is probably the best surrogate that joe biden has out there. so obviouslyhere, i him front and center ready to shine. cey needed fntis reall this moment. he has faded away in the gop aw debates. he obviously feels like he has a lot of ground to make up for. and gavin newsom certainlye of e threw that in his face. i thought one of the best lines that he had was about, s about, you know, how's that working out for you? you're 41 points behind donaldd trump in your home state. but i love the fact based question.s, know how muchi en i enjoy using data and numbers. and i think it was notjota not a benefit for both men, but thea californiali governor wasy wi definitely my winner since he had nothing to lose. ntis first of all, and i don't thinke ron desantis moved the needle and got himsel a gf any closer to donald trump, i don't think. >> but it was wasn't. really about presidential politics and we were very clear about it. it was about their- their governance, making their statesell,. well, i mean, in a sense,at he kind of took a break from that. but i understand your poin but u joe. >> let's get your take. well, if you take away shawn, pt for starters, this was an unprecedented political and television eventic that you and your staff executed on. we've never seen two governors from two different parties, from two major states go head to heao majoin a nd on a nationa like this. and they're not even running against each other. so this will go downre te one of the highest rated cable news events of the year. you had stiff competition. nfcompetitl football featuring the cowboys golden bachelor and abc, which is profoundlychea awkward to watch, but that's a story for another time. >> so the hope herppear ise is e see these kinds of debates more in the future. >> i mean, who wouldn't want to seeto see, jessica would love to see this. i know you would. glenn youngkin, virginia versus gretchenin whitmer, michigan or great greg abbott, texas republican kathy hochul, new york. because the contrast couldn't be any more stark betweendit. red and blue states. and give governor newsom credit, he did what very few democratvery fews have an appeth to do lately, and that is debate. but newsom showed upat is debaty problem he had was he didn't show up with very much in the way of facts fac or truth behinn him, because to defend the state of the state of california is tstate offo dee indefensible. he argued, for example, that california doesn'doesn't he one of the highest tax rates in the country. well, of course it does. while florida has one, the lowest taxone of towest ta rates.down newsom argued that desantis was somehow a lockdown governor. i mean, that's some great unintentional comedy right there, because newsom was literallbecausy the face of lock throughout 20, 20, 20,do 21, evn into 2022, all while breaking his own mask mandates time and again. timeso overall, the night belond to the santos. >> i think he won by tko. he came prepared he came in passion. he showed what he can do on a one on one format. the question is thatthe qu is ta rightly asked, will this have any impact as far as his presidential campaignsing t and closing that secretariat like gap with donald trump? hewell, i mean, i guess we'll find out soon. when you look at the factsd and jessica, i really we spent a lot of time fact checking-chek everything and getting everythingin right on all the issues that matter. if it's gas prices, ifessness, it's taxes, if it's homelessness, if it's crime, all of those issues, why are these big states experiencing these hig higher rates and worse numbers than red states? why are people in droveswh leaving new york, new jersey, illinois, california why are they going to red states like texas, florida tennessee, in the carolinas? >> how dd tho you explaie n itc well, it's about tax rates. that's w how i would explain iti the tax rate is lower. that's something that was're ch obviously a very prominent issue during the because i'm chasinaswayg people away. what don't you do? how do you fix what's making them angryem angry and? >> keep them? well, i think that a lot of blue state governors, gavin newsom included, are trying to do that. he has that a been much more om in discussing the homelessness issue when he was in san franciscore homeleso, not using a second term when choosing pay a visit. >> well, first of all, these are deep seated, long term problems. they don't get fixed in 20 minutes. and i'm acknowledging there are issues. >> but they're he was bu. he job for years he's saying that that that was not doablecutting . >> not certainly not bring him anywhere near this. i mean, our crime well dealt with homelessness where is our not a homelessness problem? there's a homelessness problem ho. lorida >> don ron desantis doesn't want to talk about it. i thought gavin newsom was brillianoesn't wt to bring up v. >> if you look at the when we look at the fbi statistics and we'll put that up on the screen, if you wantup ll. as well. if you know, if you compare florida to california and then compare it to the national average. the the issue the fbi says there's twice as much, you know, murder, ,robberyn is going on in california on a percentage basis. that's a homeless population difference there. it's dramatic, 172,020 6000 thef on the fbi side of it. i meanbi side of, those numberst be any more clear. you know, it's 258, i believe, per 100,000 of my mind. memory serves me well and double that in californiaove th and way above the national average. i meane ., let me bring joe in.y joe. i want to be fair to you, too. i think those numbers scream at you. >> they do. and the images on our screens that we see out of san volucisc wo and los angeles and sacramento, they also speak volumes. and we don't see see as muchink of that added of the miami's and tampa's of the world. and i think it would be wiseoule for a donald trump or whoever the gop nominee is. sean, to point directly to californiomineea or illinoiss new york and say, if you want the rest of the countrnt theymi, to emulate their economies, their budget deficits, their crime ratebudget dir s, ack th their educational standards or lack thereof, and their , then by allieser means, vote for joe biden, because that's exactly what this administrationxactly . and it's hard to see what democrats could run on in 2024. outside of abortion and vote for us to save democracy or something. campai so, yeah, if it's an issuesthat based campaign and all those issues that you brough yout up r night economy, immigration, border poverty, homelessness, crimpoverty e, it's going to bed argument for democrats to make. yeah, i think. >> all right. so the economy is a perfect example. i gavin newsom talking about biden nomics, pointing out that ron desantis himself and it's on twitter. >> he posted about it. he received 20 $8 million from8o the chips act. you have lauren boebert, nancy mace, tommy tuberville have all publicly humili