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so the fact is that the media is reporting and is in lewin with the american public on -- in line with the american public on reporting on a lot of these issues. the stat that is the truly disturbing is that this is number one cause of for children, gun violence. this is a public health issue. so i think you see the media following and reporting on that reality and that narrative. howard: let's turn to the january 6th hearing, that debatn prime i'm to the. the ratings for msnbc have plummeted since donald the trump was president. the audience loved the beating up on trump stuff. do you think that's a factor in the near-constant attention that the january 6th hearing has garneredded? >> 0 million in ratings is -- 0 million in ratingsings is respectabling. the reality is no one was doing in the. the it's certainly not