looking at three different individuals who have died as a result of police activity and they're all controversial cases. you have timothy russell, you have melissa williams this case right before us. and then we have the case of the family that you represent, tamir rice the 12-year-old boy in cleveland. give me some sense, is there some type of a culture problem in cleveland, ohio? or have they just had an unfortunate series of events in the police department? >> it is not an unfortunate -- it is systematic. and these are the words of the federal government. there has been a declared systematic and pattern of excessive force, that's violence. joe, that is that's just three, two instances. there are many more. there's a pattern of violence perpetrated upon citizens by the city of cleveland police department that's by our government. we're in a situation where the judge is getting ready to render