ethics, you're attacking his son. and he does, i agree with you, he has to have an answer for this. he can't be dismissive but a little anger on his part show the american public that, you know, i'm going to fight on this one. it doesn't hurt him. >> as a matter of fact, this question about joe biden and his son and the business in ukraine has entered the conversation, which is something that -- well, certainly the president wanted, right? it may advantage the president. jackie, gloria, ross, i think we're going to keep talking about this for some time. there's more to come. do not miss our cnn town hall with speaker nancy pelosi tonight. i can't imagine a better time for that. it's going to air here tonight on cnn at 9:00 p.m. eastern time. and rudy giuliani asking people to dig up dirt. he is back in ukraine doing that very thing.