there are republicans who acknowledge that there were acts by this president that were indefensible. they simply argue those indefensible acts don't rise to the level of an impeachable offense. the house obviously has concluded otherwise and laid out its case in those detailed articles today, the two articles that your guests were discussing previously. but this isn't a question about hatred. there's a record here on which these articles are based, and that record is replete with factual detail, and i might add a good bit of that detail was supplied -- in fact, the better part of it -- by members of donald trump's own administration testifying under oath in the senate in the hearings scheduled and held by the house intelligence committee. >> i want to talk more about your piece that i have here in the "times." it's called "trump is the founders' worst nightmare." you said president trump has made full use of the demagogic playbook. he has refused all cooperation with the house. he lies repeatedly about the facts, holds public rallies to spread these falsehoods and attacks the credibility,