we're here because that healing effort and those six lives, they deserve attention. we also want to tell you about what we've learned about their killer. a man motivated by hate, who officials say took inspiration from the swatstika. we do know that one of the stops was the time he spent in fort bragg north carolina. drew griffin has investigating when he was in fort bragg, what his service has entailed. what have you found about his time in the military? >> well, it was not stellar, we'll tell you that in a little bit. but we wanted to focus on fort bragg produced a lot of heros. thousands and thousands. but back in 1995, it had a mark on that fort because there was a murder of a black couple outside the base, anderson. three soldiers identified as neo nazi skin heads were caught and kwikted of that crime. they wanted to kill blacks. the army came under fire because it was very obvious that these soldiers were neonazis. that lead to a crack down by the army trying to weed out racists in the ranks. and the army found there were threads of a subculture of hate in its ranks and they've had to address that over the years. >> did that subculture involve wade michael page? >> there's been a lot of ink written about this trying to put these dots together. it was about the same time frame that he was at fort brag. but we actually tracked down the original prosecutor of the crime, of the case today. he told us at the time they searched high and low for ak polices even a bona fide hate group at the base he found neither. organizations that monitor hate groups do say the military can attract people who have hate-filled feelings, but there's no clear indication that wade michael page had anything to do with any of these ne neo nazis that were at fort bragg at that time. >> he was kicked out of the army though? >> he was kicked out. but not for hate. in 1998, he was kicked out of fort bragg, he was first demoted sergeant down to a specialist and then kicked out because he was drunk. we know he tried to make it in the hate music scene, kept picking up odd jobs after getting fired. he worked in the parts department of this north carolina motoycle shop. this is near fort bragg by the way. 2000, 2003, 2004. he worked at that shop. but his boss fired him. and i want you to listen to why. he told us this guy had no respect for woman. >> the thing i remember mostly about him was the way he dressed. he dressed, in my opinion, just like the neo nazi-type person would dress. and he was very quiet. kept to himself. was very efficient worker. but then he changed a little bit. he could not interact with females. and he had a problem with female authority. and he had such a problem that i started writing him up. and then eventually put him on probation and then we eventually terminated him because he just refused to take any orders from any female. >> and his supervisor was a female. john tew says that when page left, anderson, he actually left behind an application to join the ku klux klan. he came back for it and he had already thrown it in the trash. we also know he was fired from a truck company after he was cited for driving while impaired. anderson? >> drew, appreciate that update. joining us now is t.j. lie done and pete simi. he actually first met this man wade page in 2001 while doing a study on white power groups in southern california and spent a lot of time with him. he is a former white skinhead. pete, as part of your research into the movement, you met and spent a lot of time with this guy over the course of two years from 2001 to 2003. what did you make of him back then? do you know how he got involved in this movement and what role, if any, the military played in it? what he told me during the course of our time together was that he really started to identify with the neo naziism during his time in the mill industry. and specifically what he told me at what point was if you join the military and you're not a racist, you certainly will be by the time you leave. he felt that he learned while he was in the military that the deck was stacked against whites and he came to feel there was preferential treatment for african-americans in the military and whites were on the short end of the stick. and the more he got into the nazi ideology, the more he came to see all of society in that way and this feeling that whites were just constantly on the short end of things and that everything was set up against whites to be successful. and but he did to me pretty clearly that he knew about neo nazis and racist skinheads prior to joining the military but he started getting into it during his time in the military. >> i mean, it's strange because the military has strict rules about discrimination and about how people should be treated, was your sense that was just an excuse on his part for being a loser r not making it the way he had hoped? >> well, yeah. i mean certainly people are very creative and find lots of different ways to explain their personal short comings and personal failures. and certain when we scagoat other groups for these things, that's a common thing that folks in this movement do as well as in other extremist movements as well. >> t.j., you were involved with a white power movement you say while you were in the marines. explain that connection. again, i thought the military has very strict rules on how you have to treat other people. what did you see? >> when i was in the marine core, i joined basically from getting away from getting into trouble. i used to hang a swatstika flag in my locker. everybody knew it. the only time they asked me to take it down was when the commanding general would come through so they wouldn't get in trouble and afterwards i would put it back up and they were perfectly fine with it. but contrast that with my brother's unit where his commanding officer went through the barks and anything racist he made them send it home. it depends on the commanding officers and who's in charge of that base. >> what do you think is the appeal, t.j., of the military for people who may have these believes? i mean, is it to get some kind of training, to have some kind of a racial holy war? >> it is. we have the best trained military in the entire world. you will have two or three actively neo nazi organizations actively trying to recruit personnel. we've been trying to get the military to wake up to this for at least the last ten years. the military is very slow on the ball right now as far as actually getting us to come on and train the higher-ups. i wish they would, to hopefully give them a better sense of what they're dealing with. >> pete, you say, i mean, from the time you spent with this guy, that you saw he had serious problems with alcohol. >> yes. excessive drinking throughout the time i knew him to the point of he had a hard time making it to work when he was working. and passing out on a regular basis at one point he passed out at an airport on the way to a music show and wasn't able to get on the flight because he was so drunk. and this actually, towards the end of his time in southern california, this became somewhat of a problem with him and some of his peers in the movement. because it was preventing him from holding down a job and being able to pay his share of the rent and he was starting to sponge money off of people and so forth. >> pete, i mean, was he a smart guy? was he able to actually kind of discuss his viewpoints and argue his viewpoints? because i've spent some time with folks in the white power music scene in the late '90s, and one or two of them would be able to argue their positions and the others seemed just kind of like boneheads. >> he would be the one or two. in contrast to some folks who really can't really structure an argument very well or don't have much of anything to say, as far as trying to present evidence, you know, whether it's accurate or inaccurate is another issue. but you know, page was able to do that. page was able to talk about things and he actually really enjoyed talking about things. he was never hesitant about having me around knowing that i was doing research. he actually seemed to kind of enjoy it and appreciate it. and i think at times he actually thought he might be able to convert me. >> t.j., the head of the law center said he was associated with the hammer skins which he described as the most violent and scareyest out there. you were a member of the group. what is -- >> what is it? the hammer skins are the elite group. everybody wants to be a hammer skin. to get the two crossed hammers sadly to say this, is a badge of honor. and you have to earn the right to wear that. and you don't gett by just going around passing out leaflalea leaflets. you have to commit to whatever they are asking you to do. >> pete, in your time with this guy, did you see him commit any acts of violence. ? i know there was time you were playing pool with a white man and an african-american man. what happened there? >> it was, we were playing doubles pool and drinking a few beers at a local bar in southern california and everything was very cordial and polite, small talk. we were strangers with the other two guys. but we engaged in small talk throughout the game of pool and afterwards everybody shook hands and went their separate ways. i never saw him engaged in an act of violence. i do know during the time that i know him that he got into a bar fight at one point and didn't do so well. and i was around him at another point in time at a bar where another individual recently released from prison who was a neo nazi skinhead who was really kind of agitated and somewhat of a fire cracker looking to get into a fight, and page remained calm and cool and collected throughout that inning. >> pete simi, i appreciate you talking about the guy you knew back then and t.j. thank you for your protective. i want to point out that neither our guests are suggesting that these believes are rampant in the military. of course they're isolated incidents. serious but isolated. we're on facebook, let us know what you think. we're joined next by this woman who helped raise this killer. we'll be right back. all multivitamins give me the basics. they claim to be complete. only centrum goes beyond. providing more than just the essential nutrients, so i'm at my best. centrum. always your most complete. z i'm one of six children that my mother raised by herself, and so college was a dream when i was a kid. i didn't know how i was gonna to do it, but i knew i was gonna get that opportunity one day, and that's what happened with university of phoenix. nothing can stop me now. i feel like the sky's the limit with what i can do and what i can accomplish. my name is naphtali bryant and i am a phoenix. visit phoenix.edu to find the program that's right for you. enroll now. it's something you're born with. and inspires the things you choose to do. you do what you do... because it matters. at hp we don't just believe in the power of technology. we believe in the power of people when technology works for you. to dream. to create. to work. if you're going to do something. make it matter. the downstairs neighbors described the man she briefly knew as creepy quiet. tells the local paper here, quote, he made no eye contact. that's an abnormal thing. late last week, she says he began blasting his stereo. he spent about ten minutes pacing around his truck staring into space. one of her daughters telling her, quote, that dude is acting strange. joining me now is a woman who says she knew a very different wade page, his ex-stepmother, laura page, who joins us now by phone. miss page, i can't maj what the last few days have been like for you. when you first heard your former stepson had gone on this rampage what went through your mind? >> i was appalled. i was totally -- it was unbelievable. i guess in a lot of ways it's still unbelievable. even though i keep seeing everything. >> how the long were you involved in his life? when was the last time you saw him? >> i hadn't seen wade since about 1999. but prior to that, from 1980, up to that point, i was involved in his life. >> so the last time you saw him, he was what, about 18 years old? >> no, he was a little bit older than that. he had already come back to colorado and was -- at that point, he was already out of the military and we didn't know that. >> oh, you didn't know he was out of the military? did you know why he had been kicked out of the military? >> no. didn't know he wasn't in the military. at that point, we thought he was still in the military. the last time i saw him. >> and we're now finding out about ties he had to the white supremacist movement. did at the time you know anything about that? were you aware even that he held these kind of views? >> no, absolutely not. knew nothing about it. had no indication. >> i read an interview -- >> there was never any indication that he had this -- these feelings or thoughts. >> i read an interview you did with a local station in denver in which you said that your gut feeling was his racist views may have been formed while he was in the army. can you expand on that? what makes you think that? >> because he was -- prior to that, everything i've ever known about wade was kind and gentle and loving and -- none of those things. and that went up through his teenage years. and i can't figure out where that came from. i really can't. unless it took place while he was in the military. >> so as a teenager, he didn't express any kind of hostility, to people of different races or different religious beliefs or anything like that? >> no, never. when he lived with that in texas, he had hispanic friends and he had black friends and, you know, i never, ever heard him say anything derogatory about another race or anyone. all i can keep repeating is how kind and loving and gentle he was. >> so he actually had friends who were african-american or hispanic? >> yes, yes, he did, as a teenager, yes, he did. >> when the pictures that have now been shown of him, you know, in front of a swastika and the like, when you saw that, i mean, how do you reconcile the kid you knew with those images? >> it's like i don't even know that person. it's like someone that -- it's not someone that i could possibly know or be associated with. when i saw the very first picture of him, i would not have known him. had they not said that that was wade. >> and we're told now in the military he had a drinking problem and also subsequently he drank a lot. as a teen, was that an issue at all? >> never. no, sir. never at all. no, all of these things have come up since then. >> since then. well, again laura page, i appreciate you talking. i know it's been a really difficult time for you. and tense to be -- continues to be. i appreciate you telling us what you know. thank you very much. tonight, we also most importantly want to focus on the victims. six people whose lives were lost. so many friends and family members whose lives were changed forever. next, we'll hear from their family members, including the son of the only woman killed in the shooting. >> she collapsed there. she didn't have a chance. they said she was dead on the spot. is a complete multi-vitn designed for men's health concerns as we age. it has more of 7 antioxidants to support cell health. one a day men's 50+. who dreamed she could fly. like others who braved the sky before her, it took a mighty machine, and plain old ingenuity to go where no fifth grader had gone before. ♪ and she flew and she flew, into the sky and beyond. my name is annie and i'm the girl who dreamed she could fly. powered by intel core processors. ♪ ♪ i want to go ♪ i want to win [ breathes deeply ] ♪ this is where the dream begins ♪ ♪ i want to grow ♪ i want to try ♪ i can almost touch the sky [ male announcer ] even the planet has an olympic dream. dow is proud to support that dream by helping provide greener, more sustainable solutions from the olympic village to the stadium. solutionism. the new optimism.™ ♪ this dream tonight, another religious community is living in fear after their mosque burned to the ground. the only mosque in joplin, missouri. it's been the target of arson before. six people died in the shooting at the temple here in oak creek, wisconsin, six lives lost, countless friends and family member's lives changed forever. i want to focus on the victims. to tell you some of their stories. tragically, violently, in a place that was supposed to be about safety and sanctuary and prayer, but also how they lived. randi kaye reports. >> reporter: arrived at the temple with her father-in-law just before 10:00 a.m. they stopped to pray before she went to the kitchen to cook. then she said suddenly a 16-year-old boy said there was someone shooting. she look locked the kitchen doors and piled into the pantry. but not her father-in-law who was still in the main part of the temple. >> i heard shooting and shooting and shooting. i don't know how many times. >> reporter: coolwan and the others stayed locked in the pantry until the shooting stopped and the suspect was dead. she soon learned her father-in-law was dead too. when you left the temple you saw your father-in-law. tell me about that. >> i come in. then my father-in-law is left over there. he's like this. face this way. his legs this way. he lay down like this. and his nose is touched on the floor. >> reporter: he was bleeding? >> yeah, he's bleeding. a lot of bleeding over there. all bleeding. then i see and right away i'm crying. "oh, my god, it's my father." suveegh singh used to walk to temple. until his health started to fail a couple of months ago. he was a very religious man. >> very. he was at our temple, guawara, every single day. if you could get there at 7:00 in the morning, that's where he would be. >> reporter: he would stay late in the night. vernlthsz yeah, until 2:00, 3:00. he would spent most of his time there with the priest and stuff. >> reporter: singh was a father in india, until he and his wife moved to wisconsin eight years ago. he used to tend this garden? >> he did, yeah. he actually used to cut the whole grass up until like a couple months ago when his health started declining. >> reporter: singh couldn't speak english but his family says he loved america. she says all her grandfather wanted was to be healthy enough to make it to her wedding just four months away. >> what will you miss about him the most? >> just him being around. even if he wouldn't say anything, his presence was always here. >> reporter: satwant singh kaleka died defending his temple. at 65, he was the temple president. and with a knife, managed to slow down the shooter, just enough, his family says, to save some lives. parkash singh, the youngest victim. moved to oak creek just eight weeks ago. friends call him a noble soul. in sort of a strange premonition, one temple member told "the milwaukee sentinel" that parkash had expressed concern about dying. he was 39 and all three of his brothers died before turning 40. ranjit singh and his younger brother both died in the shooting. the 49-year-old had been working at the temple for 16 years and sending money back to his wife and three children in india. seeta singh had moved to wisconsin just six months ago with hopes of finding a better life for his family. the only woman killed in the shooting was parmjit kaur tour. >> screaming is the ladies. i hear. then i said, oh, my gosh, somebody killed. she's screaming. ahhh. i said, oh, my gosh. >> reporter: parmjit was 41 and the mother of two sons. she was gunned down in the middle of her prayers. her boys spoke with cnn's poppy harlow. >> she collapsed there. she didn't have a chance. they said she was dead on the spot. >> reporter: parmjit's son had rushed to the temple and looked for his mom among those who survived. she wasn't there. >> i just wan