0 own self in a broader and deeper way. but also to be able to help other people. and you know, i have two girls who have been leaning in since the day they were born, i think. they're both very interested in the outside world. and in life outside of themselves. when you go through those teenage years, teenagers are usually very self-conscious and my advice always to teenagers and young people is to move outside of yourself by looking at other people, by looking at ways you can use your own talents to either help other people or support other people or develop your interests. and i would say that barbara and jenna have certainly done that. >> this past year, 14 women took part in the bush institute's women's initiative. they spent time in the united states working with american mentors, and they learned new ways to advance their work at home. today, they celebrated their graduation from the program. sharing their ideas and welcoming 19 new women who are about to begin their own fellowship. these are all egyptian women. the future of the women in hir own life was on laura bush's mind. while she's hoping to attend the birth of her grandchild, coincidently on the day the center officially opens. >> the minute the institute opens, you're leaving because -- jenna's having her baby. >> either right before or right after. we'll see, but i can't wait to go. >> wonderful time. >> egyptian poet once said when you educate a woman, you create a nation. that's what laura bush is trying to do. our full interview with the former first lady will air monday at 7:00 eastern right here on cnn. yoelg rr want to hear what she has to say about the republican party. have a wonderful weekend. "anderson cooper 360" starts right now. erin, thanks. good evening, everyone. osama bin laden's spokesman and son-in-law in court just blocks away from ground zero. how he's caught, how he'll be tried, and what his capture does to al qaeda. peter bergen joins us. also, tonight, the week's most unforgettable moments on the stand for jodi arias to what happens next in a murder trial no one can stop talking about. we begin with breaking news. the head of one of america's largest airlines speaking out about the tsa's decision to allow certain small knives back on commercial flights. delta ceo writes, and i quote, we must object to the agency decision to allow small knives back in the aircraft cabin. we have culted with our flight attendant group and we share their lujijimate concerns about this decision. joining us is the president of the international association of flight attendants. you must be pleased that it delta ceo is weighing in on the side of flight attendants. why are you opposed to this change by the tsa? >> because it's completely unnecessary to introduce a weapon to the aircraft, to introduce knives back into the cabin makes no sense. >> is it out of concern for the safety of flight attendants and other personnel onboard the aircraft that is your primary concern here? >> well, as flight attendants, we're in charge of the entire cabin, so our job is to be the first responders in any event and also the last line of defense in our nation's aviation security, so the attempt to reintroduce knives on board absolutely could impact any passenger onboard, and we're there for safety and to protect each and every passenger on each and every flight. >> the counterargument to this is these aren't weapons which are going to bring down an aircraft and this will allow tsa screeners more time to look for the kind of hidden weapons, you know, explosive devices, that actually would bring down an aircraft. to that you say what? >> well, it doesn't make sense, again, so we appreciate all that our transportation security officers do each and every day to make sure that america's aviation system is the safest in the world, but to say that's going to somehow free up resources doesn't make any sense. today, there's a complete prohibition on knives coming through security. and to ease that restriction just is going to create a bottleneck. it doesn't make any sense. how big is this knife? is it long enough, wide enough, does it lock, does it not lock? you know, that is going to create confusion at the check points where as right now there's a complete prohibition and we want to see it stay that way. in reference to the airline support, this issue was raised a few years ago, and it was, you know, flatly shot down, and we had airline support. now, myself, i'm a flight attendant with alaska airlines, and that's one of the airlines that also was opposed to this a few years ago. we're expecting more airlines to join in this chorus with us today's. as alaska airlines' ceo at the time remarked in 2000, alaska airline's passenger had a 2 1/2 inch knife and attacked the crew members, and he says a weapon such as a pointed tip could cause great harm on crew members and passengers in the cabin. so the story was the same seven years ago as it is today. we're all better off, and we're all safer without weapons onboard the aircraft. >> i appreciate your perspective. i appreciate you talking to us. thank you very much. i want to bring in john miller om cbs. john also worked for the los angeles police department and the fbi and intelligence. what do you make of that argument? flight attendants say this is ridiculous. this makes no sense whatsoever? >> you have to sympathize with the flight attendant point of view. they were the first victims of 9/11. they were the ones who were killed with box cutters and knives that were at that point legal to bring on planes, but they weren't the 2 1/2 inch blades of the swiss army knife or the knife that people carry on their key chain. what tsa is trying to do is two things. they're trying to align themselves with the rest of the airline industry across the globe, which is the same, knives are okay, nothing longer than a 2 1/2 inch blade, the kind of knife you would find on a key chain. that's not the kind of device that is going to bring down an airline. and we have learned when somebody gets disorderly on a plane, in the post-9/11 world, the crew will tie the person up, tie them down, tape them to the seat. we have seen that even if it's the pilot, we have seen in one instance. that's one thing, to harmonize it with the rules that all of the other countries have. the second part is the important part, which is while they're looking at the x-rays trying to find the 2-inch knife, they need more time to concentrate on how the terrorists are going to bring down a plane, which is petn or tatp explosives hidden in a printer cartridge or the case in china with the explosives were hidden inside of the tubes of the man on crutches or the underwear bomb that we saw got past a check point because it was focusing on can i find a lighter or a little knife. they have to be focused on the passenger's behavior, their intelligence. >> this might free up time at the tsa checkpoints? she was saying it creates confusion. they're going to think, is that under two inches? do i still have to look at it? >> when they see a big knife, that's going to be a no-go. thas what the rule is, but they'll spend less time locking for these tiny objects and more time focused on a mix of passenger intelligence and things that could be hidden that you could find at second or third glance if you spent the time rather than looking for the little knife. >> they set the date for this back late in april. >> that april 25th, so you know, what they're looking for is just what ms. shook is telling us, which is they wand feedback from the industry, but they're trying to align themselves with the rest of the world. >> we hear from the ceo from delta who agrees with the flight attendants. >> a top al qaeda spokesman who happens to be osama bin laden's son-in-law pled not guilty in a court. he was arrested last month in jordan according to a spokesman for peter king. king is president of the house chamber committee. u.s. officials say he was tapped at al qaeda's official spokesman after the 9/11 attacks. in other words, he was a big catch back then, or so it would seem. two of the only journalists who have ever interviewed bin laden are john miller, sitting right here, and peter bergen, who joins us now as well. peter, what do you make of this? is this really a big catch? >> yeah, this is a guy who made a poor marital choice, which was marrying one of bin laden's daughters. as a result of which he waz part of the bin laden inner circle, but he's a propagandist. he's -- even the diemindictment itself doesn't mention any terror plots. and yajohn will also remember there was a period where he was somewhat public in the late '01, 2002 period, and he disappeared from sight. that's a good reason because he wasn't that important. he was living under some form of house arrest in iran, and he has had little impact on al qaeda since or even when he was being very prominent. he was mostly just making statements and you know, statements were very poisonous statements, but that doesn't mean he was involved in 9/11. in fact, the evidence we have suggests that he wasn't involved, didn't even know 9/11 was going to happen, a videotape that was recovered in a safe house, shows bin laden saying we didn't even clue this guy in. >> i read there is some thought perhaps he has information about the relationship between iran and the people who were part of al qaeda who were given or allowed to go into iran and have been living the for years. >> anyone who was part of the al qaeda senior leadership crew who was under arrest under time would be able to give the u.s. intelligence on how that worked. they know that iran had people under fairly tight house arrest and sometimes they would loosen that valve and allow them to meet, communicate overseas depending on the atmosphere over time. >> do you think sis a big catch, and what do you make of him being tried here in the united states? >> first of all, i think it's a symbolic catch. when you have said who says i'm speaking for al qaeda and shakes his finger at the people of the united states on september 112t and says we're preparing an army to attack you. be ready for a storm, especially the storm of airplanes. don't fly in planes and don't live in high rise buildings because you won't be safe, that's somebody who is acting as part of al qaeda. that's conspiracy to kill americans, and that's what it says in the intitement. whether he should be in a courtroom downtown or in a military tribunal, i think that's a political argument. if you look at the numbers, guantanamo has been up for a decade. they have convicted four people in serious cases. at the same time, the federal courts have tried 500 terrorism cases here in the united states, 67 of those involving people who were captured overseas. they're indicted, a year later, they're on trial. after that, 87% of them are serving long or life sentences. so you have to ask yourself, which system is working? and which system is struggling? >> and peter, we did hear from republican senators mitch mcconnell, lindsey graham, among them, criticizing the obama administration for bringing this guy to civilian court. graham said the administration, quote, snuck him in under the nose of congress. do you think that's a valid criticism? >> i'm not sure, but i wantled to amplify and second what john was saying. there's nowhere worse in the world to be an alleged terrorist than in new york's state federal court. the conviction rate in new york state for these kinds of crimes are 100%. the conviction rate at guantanamo is less than 1%. in fact, some of the convictions in guantanamo have actually been overturned and the sentences that have been handed down have been minkuehl because it's time served and whatever country the accused terrorist comes from. so both on the question of the fact that the senators are quite sure that the convictions have been overturned, that very few cases have actually been tried, guantanamo is not a very realistic place to put anybody. >> peter bergen, appreciate you being on, john miller as well. let us know knhawhat you think t this. do you think he should be tried here in new york? 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>> two things, logistical things that have to be taken care of for example, the chimney atop the sistine chapel has to be fixed that gives us the black smoke that means no pope has been elected or the white smoke which means we have a pope. there's still a bank of tables that have to be arranged inside the sistine chapel where cardinals have carefully assigned seattling and so on. all of that has to be done. in the meantime, the more important thing is there's political heavy lifting that has to go on in the next four days because at this stage, the consensus is there's no clear front runner for the papacy. the last thing these 115 cardinals who are going to cast votes want is to go into the cysteisistine chapel is to go i be deadlocked and have to stay there for three or four days. then they will be projecting images of deadlock and pural ses and in fighting. they have about four days to get their act together and to try to have a game plan when they go into the sistine chapel on tuesday. >> and john, each of those 115 cardinal electors get a ballot tuesday afternoon for the first round of voting. they actually write the name of their choice in a secret way. how do they do that? >> well, actually, what the ballot will do is the ballot is a piece of paper about this big. all the names of all of the cardinal electors are written on it in latin. you mark the guy you're voting for, then each cardinal is also assigned a mark unique to him that he places on that ballot, and the logic there, anderson, is that the rules actually specify that you have to have two thirds of the vote plus one, and you cannot vote for yourself. >> and john, as you see it from your reporting, is there a front runner at this point or a clear front runner? >> no, thas exactly the problem. in 2005, when benedict xvi was elected, cardinal ra ninal ratz the front runner. what we have now instead is a field of six, seven, eight, as many as ten plausible candidates for whom you can make an argument, but no one of them towered over the field, and the risk therefore is in the early ballots of the conclave, the votes could be spread, no one could be getting close to the two thirds majority, 77 out of the 115 votes, which means they would have to go back to the drawing board and spend more time, and as i say, that's a scenario they would like to avoid because they don't want the world to perceive them as disunified or paralyzed. >> and cardinal dolan who is there for the conclave, he has a blog. on it today, he talked about what the cardinals have been discussing since they have been there. interestingly, though, he felt the need to add this. he said, quote, those are the biggishis. you may find it hard to believe since the word on the street is all that we talk about is corruption in the vatican, sexual abuse, and money. do these topics come up? yes, do they dominate? no. what do you make of those comments? >> well, we're grateful any time anyone discusses child sex crimes. they happen in secret and secrecy is crucial to keeping the crimes going, so discussion is good. but these are men who have talked about that issue for many, many years. obviously action is what is needed. and we would hope, frankly, that they would -- the pedophilia crisis would be higher on the priority list in the days ahead. >> your grub, david, released a list of papal candidates who you say are the most concerned about becoming the next pope. how did you choose -- and we're showing their pictures, how did you choose these men on the list? >> well, it's a combination, anderson, of hurtful things that they have done and hurtful things they have said. this crisis exists all over the world, but it's really only bubbled up to the surface in the western nation. so in the developing countries, there are papal candidates about whom we know very, very little, but we have certainly seen bishops who have fought against legal reforms that protect children. we have seen bishops who have used hard-ball tactics in court. we have seen bishops who continue to transfer predators and endanger kids. and those were the men we targeted on our list. >> once voting gets under way, the media is shut out. the tweeting by the cardinals ceases, right? >> yes, absolutely. there are actually electronic jamming devices in the sistine chapel and the hotel where the cardinals will be staying, precisely to insure that cardinals who might try to sneak a blackberry or an ipad into that environment aren't able to post tweets or update their facebook status. >> john allen and david, appreciate it. >> coming up, the jodi arias trial. if you missed any of the testimony this week, we'll catch you up. jurors asked her 200 questions, including this on the night she killed her boyfriend. >> why is it you have no memory of stabbing travis? >> i can't really explain why my mind did what it did. maybe because it's too horrible. >> she says he was physically abusive