mccarthy himself passing blame at donald trump's feet for the insurrection and of course calling the president, then president frantically while it was happening, the sense that in the moments after and the day in which everyone came back and voted to approve the electors, although a majority of republicans voted against it, there was a sense of the trauma and the urgency and the horror of what had happened and how close it came to something truly, truly awful and that that's ebbed over time? there's been an effort to whitewash it. do you feel that on capitol hill? >> i think it's still very real, very alive, very tangible for the people who were there, for the capitol police officers. i walk by and say hello and thank them for what they did and the situation that they were in where it was dangerous and they were risking their lives to protect the capitol and the lawmakers and the staff in the building during this insurrection. so i'd say that it's very tangible. the fact that there are all of these charges, i think that the last person on the show mentioned 516, up to maybe 800