very seriously what is happening. i think -- i fear what he might have said about the protestors outside of our house to be perfectly frank. he would tell the american people that we need to remember we're americans first. we're not republicans or democrats and we cannot take what we have for granted. and this is a serious threat to our future. >> barbara, talk about the charges here and what are these suspects facing? >> well, the charges include kidnapping which is a very serious crime. sometimes when you're dealing with domestic terrorists it's difficult to find a statute that meets the definition. about ten years ago, i was involved in a case with a militia group where the only charge available to us was conspiracy. but here because they were engaged in a kidnapping and plotting a kidnapping, it's a clear statute with severe penalties, for some up to life in prison. the plot here was more than just