right now, right? it's this idea that if, in fact, they lose in virginia, then it will be seen as a referendum on the current president, and so how then do you subsequently spin that? >> yeah. no, it absolutely would be a referendum on joe biden and the democrats, but look, it is also the only off year election we have of consequence, so we also have to realize that there's a lot of message testing going on here, but plenty of time to re-evaluate and recalibrate going into 2022. i would say the significance of barack obama coming in is it restores kind of the aspirational voice of our politics, which is very hard to find now. i mean, i think barack obama's voice, for as long as he is with us for decades to come will be that aspirational politician that appeals to people's hope and to their change. you know, the one thing that i think he took some license on is to say that people don't agree with republican ideas. the reality is, almost half the country does, so how do democrats overcome that?