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it s got to be the right deal or no deal and he s willing to walk away empty handed if he has to. this extension impacts congress f. the deal is struck after thursday, then debate doubles from 30 days to 2 months and remember that nothing is official until congress signs off. nbc news chief foreign affairs correspondent andrea mitch sell in austria outside of the talks. andrea? reporter: here in vienna secretary of state kerry and his counterpart are staying, postponed the final deadline until friday to see if they can still reach a deal. they know it s not going to be easy and there s a lot of posturing by both sides with the u.s. clearly concerned that they were beginning to indicate that they were too eager for a deal. that concern has led to this latest extension in part as some of the other ministers had to go home to their capitals for other business anyway. but will be returning in 24 or 48 hours we are told. that said, there are still some big disagreements over u.n. sanctions and whether iran still would be under a conventional arms embargo that would also affect nuclear technology on ballistic missiles. that is a key sticking point as the hardest issues still need to be negotiated in these closing days. andrea mitchell nbc news vienna. all right. andrea mitch knell vienna for us, thank you so much for that report. for more gary sick a professor of columbia university school of international and public affairs and chief aid to president kartder in the hostage crisis. great to have you with us professor. good to be here. how much should we make of the fact that the deadlines keep getting pushed and also of what iran is saying about how they re not really too concerned about the clock? well i think you have to take it with a grain of salt. these negotiations have been remarkably free of sort of posturing and showing off and people walking away and then coming back and all of the things you might expect in a negotiation. but this is the very end. there are a couple of sticking points that still remain to be done and i think the united states in particular is very anxious not to appear to be too eager because that s the people in congress and 0 poe innocentopponents of the deal said kerry is too willing to take a deal. that being said iran isn t a matter of days or weeks. i mean they don t have the same constriction as far as the congress is concerned. where they have the deadline is for the congress not for the deal. and so the question is do you rush, rush rush to do something to satisfy the u.s. congress so it can go on its vacation at the right time or do you stick around and finish the job? my understanding is they re extremely close to a final settlement and most of it is actually drafted. professor, we talk about this deal oftentimes as if the u.s. is negotiating directly with iran. obviously, there are six nations at the negotiating table, including china and russia who in many ways have been helpful here. talk to us about their role in these talks and why it s so important for them to be involved here. well basically, the whole business is going to begin with a resolution by the u.n. security council. and so you have to be certain that all the members of the u.n. security council and that includes china and russia are on board and ready to go. in fact as i understand it the current hang-up is about the resolution that the u.n. will pass and the united states and russia are negotiating now, not so much the united states and iran. so it is true. and in some ways you know this has been a kind of four-dimensional chess. the president deals with iran and the members of the security council and europe and then the u.s. congress and finally all of the countries in the regions. israel and saudi arabia for instance. so it s a very very complicated undertaking. professor a lot of people in the media are reporting that the key sticking point now is sanctions blocking iraq from acquiring missiles and arms. seems to be a huge impasse. what is it likely or possible middle ground that they could reach where both sides would be able to go home and say, see, we sked edsucceeded? that s what the negotiations are for to find that magic wording or whatever it is. the reality is that the restriction on iran s missile development and sales of military equipment conventional military equipment was imposed by the security council as part of the deal restricting their nuclear development. so it s reasonable to think that those restrictions will be lifted or at least ameliorated if a deal is done. that s, in fact what s being negotiated. i don t have the magic words but we ve seen a number of cases where each side has completely different red lines and both sides satisfied each other that their red lines were satisfied. i think our negotiators are pretty clever about finding a way out of these apparently impossible impasses. and so you mentioned the magic wording john kerry and president obama are looking for in order to get this thing to the point of agreement but then as you mentioned earlier, pick back up on this the role of congress in this. they have to go back to the united states congress giving itself the power to potentially reject the deal. based on you have advised several presidents based on your time in d.c. and expertise here, do you think there s a chance for congress to potentially reject the deal and would that worry you with respect to the president s ability to negotiate the deals going forward? i think the key issue here is if the president signs the deal and all of the other countries, you know, all of the me believes of the security council and europe, sign the deal bring it back to the u.s. congress and present it then the congress is stuck with the possibility, okay if we reject this then what happens? and the reality is that the anything that comes about because of the u.s. walking away from it because of the u.s. congress, it s going to be very bad. at the very least, we ll go back to where we were a few well two years ago when iran was within weeks of having the ability to have enough material for a nuclear weapon when they had unrestricted you know when they had unrestricted research and development of missiles and everything else. that s why we did these negotiations and if we turn these down and walk away we ll go right back to that situation. the other thing is that if that does happen the other countries are going to say, you americans are the you can t get your act together. so are we going to stick around and impose these sanctions that hurt us for your benefit? i think probably the answer is, no. so the sanctions regime will begin to break down. the congress has to ask itself if we turn it down we own the results and are the results something we re willing to live with? my guess is this is just my guess, but after they look at that they will say, no. whether we like it or not, this is as good as it s going to get and they will either not maybe not approve but probably not disapprove but we ll see. there s a lot of water to go to cross between now and then. professor, this is something you understand better than anybody anybody and following this for a long time. you were the iran expert for president carter. during the iranian revolution and the crisis the iran hostage crisis. here s a photo of you in the oval office we showed of 1981. january 20th when you were briefing him on an american released out of iran. president carter on morning joe this morning and asked him if he would have done anything differently back in the day and here s what he said about that. i think the nation would have responded favorably politically speaking if i had bombs iran. yeah. and but it was a great temptation. even my wife on occasion said jimmy, you need to do more in a military way. but i didn t want to. i was committed to peace. what do you make of that statement? looking back, do you agree with him? do you wish that the country would have been more involved militarily with iran? if we had bombed iran that was, indeed considered at the highest levels and even the lower levels during that entire period you have to ask yourself the same question about this negotiation. would we have been better off? very likely what would have happened is that iran would have killed some or all of the hostages. that we would have ended up in a war which could eventually have turned into a land war in iran which would have been a catastrophe for both countries and, you know, at the end of the day i guess if i were a hostage, i wouchb happy to have jimmy carter as my president because the hostages all got out. they were all healthy and released. they didn t enjoy their time there. they would have liked to get out earlier. the president probably lost his job because he didn t get them out earlier but restraint sometimes is actually proves a point. i would say compared to theal termtives, jimmy carter probably made the right decision. fascinating to have your perspective today, professor. really appreciate it. and cycling now, hillary clinton is in iowa today and a second former president says that she has this race locked up. i don t think there s much doubt she s going to get the democratic nomination. but is it too soon to crown clinton the nominee with sanders bringing out crowds like this? 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hmm. who should we ask about that? oh yeah! howard fineman, the global universal editorial director. intergalactic, my friend. at the huffington post. highwayard, i feel like we have seen this movie before. party flirts with attractive fringe candidate who sort of speaks to their id. not flirting with the brazilian player before you settle down with the nice television anchor. you know i mean, dems in particular did this before. with howard dean and then always end up with the establishment candidate. well, yes. except you re forgetting the most recent example in iowa which is barack obama who hmm. outmaneuvered hillary in iowa and got inside position in the race and never relinquished it. it is possible. iowa can be the launching pad. sometimes the people who are the outsiders, underdogs, anti-establishment candidate can win. can bernie sanders follow that same path? interestingly hillary in iowa getting ready to have a press availability out there and she s in iowa city another university town where bernie sanders draws the big crowds as he did in madison, wisconsin. you know that s the way to go because in 2008 hillary clinton did very poorly in iowa city. in part because that was home turf as it turned out for barack obama. she wasn t viable in many of the precincts there in iowa city. i think hillary s trying to send a message she knows she has to compete everywhere in the state. but the hillary people trying to lower expectations. by the time late fall comes around, it will be considered a huge upset if hillary wins in iowa. bernie has to worry that the expectations are getting a little out of hand at this point. you know, bernie sanders represents i think the complete opposite of hillary clinton which is what people like about him. accessible. not afraid to answer any questions, talk to anybody. i can t wrap my head around this rope situation. she has some of the best people in the campaign running this. the optics are terrible. especially in new hampshire all about being on the ground being flexible, being willing to talk anyone coming up to you. i look to the numbers released pod. the washington post has hillary clinton leading with announcing per day $500,000. you look at the logistics, logic, all of that of the campaigning and think with the money like that she can do whatever she wants with the way politics is today. yes and no. i think to me the more remarkable numbers is bernie sanders raised $15 million. yep. which is not chump change. the key question is whether he s technologically up to date enough to capture the e-mail addresses and the modern mechanics of digital politics. but yeah. i mean iowa is made for bernie sanders in a way to give hillary a rough race. and tom vilsack who used to be governor of iowa democrat who s been agriculture secretary for the entire time of the obama administration, and i had a conversation the other day. and he was i think, part of the expectation lowering exercise for hillary. he said you know, there are 30 to 40% of the caucus goers on the democratic side in iowa when are very very progressive, the words he used. so i think he s predicting and trying to get us to accept the idea that 40% is like the floor for bernie sanders. but also also tom vilsack has dispatched all of his top campaign people. he was governor of iowa. they re organizing in every precinct. hillary at least will not make the mistake organizationally of last time against barack obama and the problem is she is the establishment. jeb bush on the democratic side the establishment. they re familiar names and people out there in iowa and new hampshire and elsewhere around the country are sort of agitated and upset. they don t like congress. they don t like the political system. they don t like the media. they don t like anybody telling them anything that they don t want to hear. they want blunt speaking. they want honesty and they want an outsider. even though bernie sanders is a politician most of his life he s deemed the outsider in this circumstance. yeah. keep in mind it s not just iowa howard. new hampshire bernie is making inroads and what does it say about the democratic party, somebody not part of it taking the party by storm? is there a gap between the leaders of the democratic party and the grass roots at this point? i think there definitely is. and in new hampshire, somewhat different situation. yeah there s a smaller proportion of quote, very very progressive unquote voters in new hampshire on the democratic side. also bernie is from vermont, right across the river. right. he can spend a ton of time campaigning there. by the way, bernie sanders is more to the right on gun control than you might imagine. i saw that. that s surprising. which is a vermont thing and a new hampshire thing. yep. so he s going to i was in new hampshire this weekend and talked to democrats for hillary and they had said look bernie gives hillary a rough go in new hampshire, as well. so hillary s going to have to figure out how to get through iowa and new hampshire. if she can squeak through, she will be fine. losing both she s not necessarily dead. but it it will be a strong indication that the democratic base after having given their hearts to barack obama and then been sort of you know somewhat disappointed on some issues, it s not a one to one translation of obama support and hillary support. that s what hillary has to worry about. right. the person on the republican side seems to be surging in the polls at the moment is donald trump. so i m going to take the flip side of blake s question. what does it say about the republican party that this guy seems to have momentum? it says that the republican party s an even bigger mess than the democratic party at this point. and, you know you don t have anybody with basically over 15% support. it s like the political equivalent of entropi. donald trump, his showmanship, his aggression, his blunt speaking, you know this is an election season where everybody says i want to be blunt. i want to be in your face. you know? chris christie mike huckabee on and on and on. well, if that s the level of the contest, donald trumps them all. he s the most aggressive the most obnoxious, the biggest showman. the most in your face. and that is enough to get them at least 10% or 12%, for sure. i was in new hampshire. i spoke to top republicans there over the weekend including the legendary editor of the biggest newspaper in new hampshire. down the line conservative. put it this way, he is not dismissing donald trump out of hand. even though trump is in tremendous trouble financially and politically for his comments about hispanics, that kind of language sells in new hampshire and iowa. all right. howard, thank you so much. let s go right now to iowa city iowa. hillary clinton is answering questions. listening to them and find out what s on their minds and what they re worried about and hoping for and i think that s the strongest base on which to build a good campaign heading toward the caucuses. i also think, look, you know this is going to be competitive. it should be competitive. it s only the presidency of the united states we re talking about. so, you know the more the better. let s get everybody out there. let s get everybody, you know working hard. running a campaign. and then we ll leave it up to iowa to decide what happens in february. hi. lot of issues today, particularly the shooting at the mall recently. you talked about gun control. how important of an issue is that to you? it s important. it s been important to me for a listening time because i think there is a very clear path to protecting the rights of gun owners and following the second amendment while doing more to keep guns out of the hands of people that should not have them. i feel very strongly about that. to me it s a critical safety issue. and we ve seen too many mass shootings in our country and we have seen too many of the kind of tragedies that you had here just last month. so i am strongly supporting it and hoping that we can make some progress on this issue. hi. the people of greece rejected a bailout tied to more austerity measures. did you agree with senator sanders who just mentioned in saying that that is the right way to go or is that a mistake? kind of you know, related to that do you think that the obama administration has done enough to help greece and stabilize the situation and on top of that do you think that wall street has been culpable in sort of egging on this whole process including your own well, let me answer it this way. i think what s happened in greece is a tragedy. their gross national product has dropped by 25%. they have youth unemployment over 50%. people are suffering. pensioners are really worrying that they re not going to be able to afford food. i think it s imperative there be an agreement worked out with greece and i urge the europeans to exert every effort to find one. you know greece is a nato ally. it s a member of the european union. the united states has a great, active, successful greek-american community. so i want to see a resolution. obviously, the end of the day, it s up to the greek people to decide what they re willing to do. and i hope that we can see an outcome here that will actually help greece recover and keep them in the eurozone and keep europe united. amanda? you said in new hampshire that china was hacking into everything that doesn t move in america, including government systems. how should the united states retaliate? i think first of all we have to face up to the fact we have a serious problem and it is not only the chinese. we know that other governments, russia, north korea, iran have either directly or indirectly sponsored hacking. we know that groups of hackers and we worry about terrorist organizations getting access to the capacity. and it s obviously for me as secretary of state, it started with the grave concerns that a lot of american businesses had, that their most confidential information was being vacuumed up through intrusive hacking. so i think, number one, the united states both our government and the private sector have to recognize this is a serious threat. it s a serious threat to our commercial interests. to our intelligence interests. to our strategic interests. we ve been trying to get a good plan going forward. we re making a little bit of progress on that in the congress. it s for me not enough. it doesn t go far enough to try to have better coordination between the public and the private sector and we need to accelerate our efforts to protect government information and by that i mean that we have very cumbersome procurement and bureaucratic obstacles within the federal government to moving us into the 21st century. in fact we saw that a lot with the problems of the affordable care act rollout because trying to get a contract trying to work within the constraints of the government, the congress and the executive branch must work together to clear the way for the use of the best technology we can both to store and collect as well as protect our information. secretary clinton the difference in scope? lily gets to call on people. your comments responding to the man that asked about the military use? yes. you still have regrets. i wonder if that creates a opening to question your foreign policy decisions. well, that s up to people to decide. i ve said that i was wrong. and i certainly am willing to not only admit that but to point out that i think working with the obama administration we did exercise the kind of smart power that i think needs to be the hallmark of our security policy. so i think i am very well prepared and very grounded in what will work in dealing in a very complicated world. this is a multi polar challenging world that we have to get right on so many different fronts and i think i bring a level of understanding and experience to the race that would do me well in the white house. secretary clinton, do you agree with john kerry s assessment that iran disclairing the past experimentation is less important than curbing future agreement? you know amy, i don t think it s useful for me to publicly comment right now on what the negotiations are attempting to resolve. i think i ve been very clear that we must never permit iran to have a nuclear weapon. i am very proud of the role i played in building the coalition and the sanctions that brought iran to the negotiating table. but there are a number of issues that are critically important. there needs to be full transparency, disclosure and verifiable inspections going forward. and certainly, any part of the iranian nuclear or military establishment that has anything to do with the program, past present and future needs to be subject to that. thank you, everybody. thank you. thank you. all right. you have been listening to hillary clinton in iowa city iowa, answering questions from an unroped off media talking about iraq china, greece the iran deal, of course the presidential race which she says it should be a race. we are talking about the presidency of the united states. we ll be back with shocking revelations from bill cosby right after this. how s it progressing with the prisoner? 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what it s mean for civil suits? cosby is accused by dozen women and we want to continue to be clear, cosby is not criminally charged and representative denied all allegations. we have contacted them but yet to hear back. okay. so karen let s start with the why. very interesting statement, actually, from the judge when he released his opinion here. i want to put it on the screen here. he said this. the defendant has donned the mantle of public moralist and mounted the proverbal election tron or print soapbox to volunteer her views on among other things child hering, family life, education and crime and that s a reason why maybe the information should have been released to show he was a hit krit. is that a novel explanation and mean had he not done these things this information would have been with held? the matter of it is that depositions are not just released. you have the file with the court. so obviously the judge is going to make some kind of statement or standard. sure. and quite frankly, the fact that your client is embarrassed, so really it was just somebody standing up like the associated press in this instance and actually going after the documents. so they ve been there all the time an i m sure that investigators back in the philadelphia case knew about those depositions. it just so happens that depositions don t get released until somebody really has to yank them out of the court which is what the ap did. the moment in the deposition that really just blows my mind he is asked, bill cosby asked, when you got the quaaludes, was it in your mind that you were going to use these quaaludes for young women who you wanted to have sex with? and cosby answers, yes. mind is blowing. what could cosby have possibly thought that he could gain via this admission? you know toure i d glad you asked me this. this is interesting because holly madison, released the book against her tell-all of hugh hefner mentioned this. that quaaludes were in the 70s and 80s of thigh openers. not my words, toure. afternoon tv. so in that context, in the 70s and 80s and how they were used, now you could see how maybe he could say, well everybody was doing quaaludes and people had them and did sex and just the way that it is. okay? sounds crazy but, you know i m using my defense hat here. so a lot of people are putting the spin on it he s admitting something but if you read the words, what is he admitting to? offered them? you would have counseled him to say yes to this? this actually was the issue in the deposition itself. next question is did you knowingly or did they know that they were doing the quaaludes? which he never answered. let s ask you about that. the plaintiff s attorney asked that very question and what blew my mind too. if it was handled differently, might have been a different outcome. did you give them without their knowledge? attorney jumps in saying do not answer that question. objection. how important was this specific exchange? well first of all, this is huge for the now civil suits going on now because it s an admission. deposed in the civil cases this is going to be the part i m spending time on. will they come up in trial? only if he has to testify in a civil suit an i m sure that given the instances and, god, this very disturbing information, i think that attorneys like gloria allred probably talking settlement at this point. where do things go from here? is he ultimately going to face justice? well not criminally no. it doesn t appear. that would have already happened and the statements from 2005 2006 civil case which there were criminal charges and the prosecutors didn t go forward with them. we re in the same position and civilly it appears that there s going to be a lot more information for those women coming forward now. yes, be it ten, 20 30 years later and going through the separate jurisdictions and who doesn t meet the statute of limitations. anyone can file a complaint and choosing to settle them you don t pay for somebody s silence. what you pay for is damages and silence is part of the settlement agreement. that s not what you re paying for. there s a distinction there. all right. looks like the next phase of the story just beginning, karen. thank you so much. and up next how much do you really know about that seafood you re throwing on the grill? 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[ bleep ] you. run-s with d.c. over the years. they have a line to be liquidated quickly. they had a bunch of fish stored up in a warehouse in new jersey. people like the department of homeland security and customs involved and the food and drug administration. you know it s become legalized extortion. this series contains hard facts that can be hard to digest for foodies and important information and just the first of a number of reports the find at foodrepublic.com. christine hawney worked as a reporter for the new york times an moved to the production company zero point zero bringing us this series. thank you so much for being with us. thank you. it is a tough thing to watch, especially someone who eats they know i eat a lot of fish and the big takeaway for me is one out of three fish that we eat are illegal. let s play a bit of that. the information that consumers are given on seafood labels is so limiting. you barely even know what species it is. tuna but you don t know what kind of tuna or where it was caught or how it was caught. you don t even know what country you came from. the first large study, we went from cities of boston to florida, to washington state, down to southern california and what we found was a third of the seafood that we sampled was a totally different species than what was on the label. totally different species. you go to the store. and you take the fish that looks good. you don t ask a lot of questions. because you just assume it comes from a decent place, a legal place. why do we not know about this? how concerned should fish eaters be about this very reality, this fact? well one of the reasons we don t know much about this is the amount of international fish has changed drastically over the last two decades from roughly half of our fish being from international waters to 90% of the fish we consume in the united states. so the actual path of finding of where the fish comes from is a much longer path than before and we should be concerned. near lay third of the fish goes through a form of illegal means to get to our dinner stable tables and pressure to keep prices at a minimum. i mean abby s right. it is hard to watch and also great to watch. it is fun, really interesting. it is so grabbing. but i want to have you help the people understand how does one commit a food crime? something i might do today on the way home? there s some domestic food crimes happening with fish in terms of if you re catching a fish that s illegal to catch at the time whether it s a bass out of season but a lot of the food crimes with fish are you go to a place and think, oh, it s cheap. typically if it s that cheap, it s probably illegal. that s one thing to be aware of and ask more questions in the supermarket. farm raised? wild caught? where did it come from? what s the sourcing on the fish and buy locally like we feature a local fisherman in long island who really says it s kintd of over for his industry but he s out there every morning catching our fish an bringing it to the farmer s market in the city. wow. let s talk about how you made this production. i read that you guys deliberately chose not to shop it to networks and wanted to do a web series. why? well we really saw that the direction everything in news is heading and coming from the new york times is to digital video. if you talk to younger people they re not buying televisions. everything they re watching is on their what? seriously? we re done? is that you re done? wrap it up and go to the shift ? and the web. everything is kind of going digit 58. so it s a medium we wanted to dive into and see what came through. depressing. great question, blake. sorry guys. you re the one with the digital shows. you re good. we also had sushi for lunch, blake and i. i m feeling nervous about that. i m wondering what food you re going to make us nervous about eating next. what will you cover next? we are actually looking into the world of saffron, the spice, it s a wonderful history of crime but it is in fact it s criminality is 90% produced in iran and the type of saffron that a lot of chefs prefer is iran. is it a crime coming from iran? that s what makes it kind of a questionable crime. such interesting stuff. makes you think. thank you for being with us. congratulations on the series. thank you. are babies born to be spiritual? fascinating new science the parents want to hear about that. that s next. american express for travel and entertainment worldwide. just show them this - the american express card. don t leave home without it! and someday, i may even use it on the moon. it s a marvelous thing! oh! haha! so you can replace plane tickets, traveler s cheques, a lost card. really? that worked? american express timeless safety and security are now available on apple pay. the next evolution of membership is here. how much protein does your dog food have? 18%? 20? introducing nutrient-dense purina one true instinct with real salmon and tuna and 30% protein. support your active dog s whole body health with purina one. to steady betty. to steady betty. fire it up! am i the only one with a meeting? 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this is sort of the foundation for the rest of your life. that is what my parents instilled in me at a young age and makes you believe in something bigger than yourself. if something good happens in liar. life. and i hope to pass that on my kids as well. and the science is with you 100%. children who grow up with a strong sense of spiritual personality are 80% less likely to become addicted to substances, 70% less likely to take dangerous risks. it is the greatest source of protection known to the social or medical sciences. so i remember growing up and the sense that there was something bigger than us was very freeing and liberating, right torques right, to think you are making all the choices in your life and that is the huge weight. to take on the idea of a good is very liberating. but i didn t really like going to church. i didn t find that liberating or even fun. so how do we instill a sort of spiritality without going to church? how do we nurture that without adding in the specific religion piece. that is the timely question. one-third of millennial parents are spiritual but not religious. i don t mean they punt. they are truly spiritual. when they themselves were kids there was a whiff of religion and religion came all packaged together with a language of transcendence transcendence, practicing for reaching your higher power. these are things we can recreate spirit with our without religion. but it takes volition and reflection. what are the practices outside of the religious space that you are talking about? every single parent i know wants their child to have a deep sense of gratitude. i know a family that doesn t even want to hear the word higher power. but every single sunday night and it is sunday they have a gratitude ceremony. where even the youngest draws a picture from what that week they are most thankful for. so you create your own institution in your family. and it is such an act of love and inspiration to come together with that goal as the family. i love that. we get so busy soccer practice, math class. but all the science says there is nothing as important for kids as the deep spiritual connection. and in fact many of the outward success markers, grit persistence, optimism come down to being linked to deep spirituality in four out of five kids. let s pick on the theme tory was hitting on the non religious. you hit on this. i want to quote from the book. today more than one-third of young adults report no religion. or organized religion was once the backdrop we now see a muted canvas. this creates a great challenge where spirituality is concerned and even greater opportunity. so let s talk about that. what is the challenge and then what is the opportunity? it used to be that simply for growing up in a house that had some whiff of religion there was a practice of reaching the higher power. whether it was prayer meditation. families had practices that passed through generations. these days they are only there if we choose to put them in our family. it takes reflection and the spiritual child is essentially a road map of how a family on their own terms can put spiritality into the family life. and what is the challenge? the challenge is that people share, and parents share and the hundreds of parents we ve interviewed is boy i m busy. travel soccer and music lessons. all of that crowds out the deep inner work. but at the end of the day it is the deep inner life that makes a child sound and strong and ultimately even more successful. it turns out that the golden ticket in life is a deep spiritual inner life. when we read about this generation being less religious, that doesn t concern? you re saying that there is a deep sense of the spirit. millennial are profoundly spiritual. they are the first generation that grew up not counting on anything institutional. and the name on our diploma or the place from which we came is not going to insure security for the millennial. so they learned to see through a deeper reality. they put via beganism front and center. they are very careful and how they speak to one another. they aware they affect each other and naturally start to look for a spiritual community or within religion some beautiful church like hill song to come together with a strong spiritual life. you can see that in how this generation has pushed for equality. that is probably one of the most important issues we talked about. true. and you mentioned the gratitude ceremony as one potential thing you could integrate in. what are some of the other examples of the way families are incorporating spirituality for their children? care for fellow human beings. when i see with a child a duck in a park or a swan in a park. they are not coming up because they want to be fed. they are coming up also because think have consciousness. a dog can feel real love. the first to teach is fellow human beings count, they are real and equal in many ways to us. do we need to do these things to inculcate spirituality? do they need to be group things? my wife meditates and sometimes does it with her friends but generally it is a solo activity. is that enough? or does visit to be group? it unturns out for the child the most powerful lesson is when we as parents open the door and are totally transparent about our spiritual life. daddy see it is sunset and i just know there is a loving force this our world. mommy felt really angry and i sat down and meditated and i feel the brightness. and that turns out to be the most powerful spiritual guide. i also think it is helpful in fact the difficult teenage years. in adolescence the rubber hits the road and a national natural surge in 50% increase in the genetic push to emergence of the spirit. every kid hungers to know meaning and purpose. and wants to feel in their heart transcendence. dr. mill eermiller thank you so much. that does it for the cycle. now with alex wagner starts right now. greek leaders are trying to save their economy as the clock runs down on a deal. will bill cosby respond to newly revealed bomb shell testimony. and hillary clinton just sat down for her first national interview. but first chris christie may have to make a choice between the state house or the white house. it is tuesday, july 7th and this is now. i want to be the next president of the united states. chris christie of new jersey could be forced to resign because of his white house run. another example of how democrats his own state can make life held for chris christie. he east been out of the state too much this year. already in places like iowa new hampshire. i ve been talking around new hampshire over the course of the last number of months. this is our 12th town hall since january that we ve been doing here in new