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for my country. no, no. could i have done things differently? yes, absolutely. do i now think that violence is not the means to achieve anything? absolutely. ah ah. hello and welcome to cross talk. we re all things are considered. i m peter lavelle . by all accounts 2023 will probably be a continuation of the year that is just ended more transformation and change more instability and uncertainty on this edition of crosstalk, we examined the likely trends for the year ahead of us. i cross sucking 2023. i m joined by my guest, george samuel in budapest. he s a podcast to read the gaggle which can be found on youtube and locals in mirror cash. we have martin j. he s in award winning, journalist, and commentator. and here in moscow, we have dmitri bobbitt. he s a political analyst and editor, and he knows me internet media project. gentleman cross stock rolls and the fact that means he can jump any time you want. and i always appreciate it. me go to george 1st in budapest, george, we just ended a very tumultuous year. so many things have changed. there s so many uncertainties ahead of us here. i m kind of kind of gambling that tad 20. $23.00 is going to be a lot like 2022. your thoughts? i think so too. they always very dangerous to extrapolate from the yeah that s just coming to an end of the year. that s coming to be on the other hand, last year we had just had the, the, to draw treaties presented by president put into the united states and nato. and we knew then that the response of the united states and nato would be nothing doing. we re not interested that in response, russia will launch some kind of what they called the military technical operations . and indeed that s what happened. and that it was indeed a transformational moment before the world. i suspect that so this wasn t having the moment we ll continue into the next year and they will continue to be this essential transformation of the geo political scene. the western power decided that this is the way they want to go. they want to go on weakening, debilitating, and bleeding, russia dry, and that s up, all of them are not going to stop from it. they don t care about what happens to your premiums, and they just want to continue down this and why. and that s right. you know, whether successful or not. it s also a very dangerous, but because the risk, oh this, what s, what s happening now and your grade into becoming a full fledged shooting war between nato and russia is a really, is a real presence. i mean, it s not something we can just get around and i think that s where we have to look through the 2023 that we re going to get to that a nightmare moment moment that we ve been avoiding since the end of will to an actual shooting war between nato and i think that s a good summation you and barton. another thing that i think we can expect in the new year is that with all that, them all to as changes that we saw in 2022. the world is guarding to get used to those changes. ok, rushes a sanction country. i don t think anyone in their right mind things sanctions are going to end anytime soon. and so what that does is it actually creates like opportunities. you know how, how to move forward. we know what you ve left behind and what you can t return to. and i think that that s i look at that just kind of an opportunity. it s a challenge, but it s also an opportunity martin. you know, i think people who run across the western world are getting used to the set up. but they re also getting quite despondent about the repetitive stories that keep coming in the press about massive scale corruption becoming quite despondent to what s going on around the world. and i wonder if that will change. i mean, looking at the globe, you know, it s very hard not to pick the cricket cricket with a pin anyway. look, calamity coming from not only a korean war but coupled with a lot of global. so countries with climate crisis, climate change as well. you know, we ve got got calamity all over the place and i wonder if that really can stay as you suggest, i think there might be a see change in media. i think that might be well a see change or a cranking of awareness of how futile this war is. and the awareness i think that will happen is that more more people will begin to realize when they read newspapers or not, where they re educated or not. that the ukraine will really isn t much to do with the granite. so it s actually an international war between nature and russia and more increasingly so i would say more with just america and russia is becoming less of a western when you look at the military spending a military aid which is declining quite rapidly, not in cash kit. you know, it seems to be america show from beginning to end. and so, you know, the spotlight really will be on i did in 2023 to justify continuous, continuously sending what you just signed off. 40 percent, those of aid, military age, those ministry, 2020000000000. got policy congress. i didn t think it would it did. i wonder if 2023 will be a continuation of that when republicans take the the house. well unfortunately, martin, i don t put much stock into the end of the republican party in the united states, but you got to point, okay, there is still resistance or demo, you know, kind of a continuation of my question to martin. i mean, we have, we had all last year from march to the present, you know, sanctions and depilatory sanctions according to the west. but not that is not the case here. and one of the things i find interesting living here is how people of adapted and, and actually started are looking forward and not looking to backward course travel is not as easy. it used to be apple pay that will be russian version of that will be introduced in the spring. but the rush is really quite good at adapting. but the news we get from europe is they re not so good at adapting. dema was indeed it was a, you know, many surprises and i called these demon as the russian people also. and it s going to do in the recent interview. it s sad that when actually stop in february, me and my colleagues, we expect the army to do well. and we expected they call me to do much worse than they did. and the in fact, the opposite, the patient had them, the war was not sure what s still going to win the bob, certainly not in the way it was black. you know, the plan was just used a small expeditionary force and remove them quickly and painlessly as possible. that didn t happen. however, there was a pleasant surprise for after all the other side. the country crept up to be very easy. it was sanctioned. i mean, you live in law school, you live in russia, you see that these new year is not very different from the last year. the same restaurants are working, the same shops are open, people are feeling, the top is address. probably even more money to spend. now because they travel europe, more people travel internally in southern iraq, she became a connection. very, very prevalent, very interesting places to be that it s not just more st. petersburg by call. it is all died. it is not hawkess s lot so nice places. so in fact, we want the wrong and we got that on one side and we d love it much better than expected. on the other side. yeah, that s true. you know church, i mean to self sufficiency. i think that is the, the new calling card as we move forward for, for russia, and for all of the countries that are victims of western had gemini, you know, also georgia is what s really interesting kind of a continuation of what s been said here already. is that the ability to adapt? i mean, i think now in retrospect, russia was fully prepared for years that this was going to happen is you and i have said so many times is that, that the russians will cave they ll, they ll be angry, but they ll, you know, they ll cave and, and nature will expand and in the west will get its way, but that s not the case anymore. we saw that in 2022. i think we ll see that in 2023. and being able to adapt to adversity. well that the west is full of big words and so called values, but they re not very good at adapting george. no, they re not a good at adapting. and really we look back in retrospect and think what uh, where the g 7 and the e u. in the united states thinking that s how we will impose the mother of all sanctions and we will bring the russian economy to their knees. i mean, you know, they ve actually started believing their own propaganda, which is very dangerous of russia is nothing more than a gas station with nuclear weapons. i mean, russian is the biggest energy, but use or to world is the biggest good grain producer in the world based fertilizer producer in the world. you know, person, precious metals, producer in the world. i mean, russia produces things that people want to buy. that s very difficult to bring such an economy to his knees. and of course they didn t bring russia to its knees. and it is indeed the europeans, not so much america, the europeans, was offering the consequences because the europeans consumers of energy and food and the rest. and they go to what know about it in the united states is happy to see europe in economies. collab, demons, absolutely. right, but the, the reversal of what we ve been expecting with both of the, the russian military would achieve a quick victory. whereas the economy might be dodgy. you know, 11, those many, whether the war has continued the 2014, the outcome would have been the opposite. russia. my dad achieved a quick military victory and knocked out the post my regime and achieve then the security and stability of soul. even the konami hardships that russia would have suffered then might well have been different. but we, we didn t, we don t know. but nonetheless, the, it s a serious issue. the russia haven t been able to wrap this up a little early as it could and should have done a year ago. and we re going to martin last 40 seconds before we go to the break. while european a leach learn anything from 2020 to martin is that they are learning anything at all they re just in the hills. and because they believed that there is a game, and they believe that this campaign that they have will, as i think jude put it will do, will drain the russian ministry. but that s not happening. and you know, the year itself is just slowly becoming much increasingly ineffective. and relevant, irrelevant as. ready days past with corruption scandals. many, many countries now around the world. now looking to russia and to bridge partners is different geopolitical part. and so i think come, you know, where they lead to europe and learning a tool, but they will have to start looking at the polar on that side. we re going to discuss that when we come back from our break gentlemen, we re going to go to a short break. and after that short break, we ll continue our discussion on the year to come. 2023. ah, yes question as well. my new thought at home. you, i mean, you flee a little in a border. if you ll be additional nationally, people you might look and you live most schools. if you look on the initial be one of us again and you live person really want to be, you can use the put value on you would you do do or ching, but you also still listed on those lucky louis plane here. mostly i didn t know so much of the country that i ve only been just to submit it with you, but i see the genie bosses though group you motivation says use are to do on both. ah, welcome back to cross stock were all things are considered? i m peter labelle, to remind you we re discussing the upcoming year 2023. ah . okay, i want to touch back with martin. you said something at the very end before we went to the break that i m fine. i find fascinating. the europeans have in their mind, i suppose collectively in end game. what do you mean by that? because their pre game, they screwed up pretty badly. i mean, it s gonna be any different there and game. go ahead martin. sorry, go ahead. yeah, they think the end game will finally be the who reaches out and says, look, let s talk, i want to stop this morning. what evidence? i know that s what they want, but what evidence is there that russia would even entertain that thought for a nano 2nd. i mean, you know, when you, when you have these kind of things, you need to have leverage. where s the leverage, keep go leverage. there s no leverage. there s no evidence. it s just, it s just the echo chamber. you know, when you cut away all the news outlets that don t chime with your narrative. when you sign this journalist, when you actually just kept, keep on thing on the drum. i m just listening to your own narrative and believing only in what comes from your own mouths. from your own political parties, that s the problem is, you know, there s nobody standing up and questioning any of this, but 2023 is going to be a deal breaker. that is the last year before europe, the u embraces. it s rally into europe. elections and the following year and 2023 importantly has at least 17 countries in africa, which are going to be quite a bit of unrest rioting. and everybody will looking to go to europe and you just say, what s going on. all you guys is really doing anything, hey, you know, you talk about your big plan. you re bold, you know, foreign policy and billions that your waste in brussels. but we don t see any action from you. a tool and a panic is going to start in from your leaders. so they go, they re gonna lose the you because when the people go to the post. finally, the next year, the worry is low voter turnout. and that is going to start already in 2023. and i think in africa because i m in africa, i think you re going to see more and more countries becoming known aligned. this is going to be the next. i want to talk a little bit more about the global sort of person. i want to go to d ma here, d ma the, you know, and so as a russian citizen, you know, russia was very much demonized in 2022. and by a well oiled propaganda machine, no descent is allowed. if you disagree, then you are somebody s puppet, and you know, i mean, but damn the love affair that rushes had with, with the west, particularly europe for the last 300 years that come to an end. or is it just a pause? well, i will suggest that the listen of you know, take some time and listen to that recent statement. strong rush reported me to laurel for from president. and we basically said a few days ago that you know, we re not going to be duped again with a leadership that s now that, you know, with the leadership of the united states. because right now it s very difficult to do business. they don t observe that they don t observe. laws don t abide by the international law. they talk about the rules based on the rules are the ones that buy them. they re not based on their, their determine where washington determined by brussels. so russia has no illusions about the current leadership on the west, but i wouldn t say that the all along with europe can here for just 300. yes, rush it easy. you would be whether we wanted to know whether they would die space, wanted to know whether that bureaucratic brussels want to rush at either european countries with european culture and with european history. so i m sure that when this terrible ideology which unfortunate cold all night the states and europe being union, when they say defeated, and it will be defeated because it is not 26, it is already losing that. it is really military to get all the combined forces. so the class in your grades are unable to defeat russia and both sides are still using last place. so we have made it turns out that the west is not on very well. so in the end, in the end when this i defeated, i want to return to normal relations with the rest of europe as well. ok, well dmo written the ideology, neoliberalism, the varying to it s not going to end any time soon. it is going to create a global disaster before it leaves the scene. ok, let s george let s, let s talk a little bit about the global south or the global majority as i like to call it mean what we saw in 2022. and i think we re going to see in the new year is the, there are all, there are alternatives out there there. and the non western world, russia, china, iran, all with great civilizations, great cultures and traditions and all that. and that s what the west really, hey, they really hate that, that, that there is an alternative out there. they talk the talk of diversity or they want no diversity whatsoever. you must go, you must abide by their ideology, or you ll be cancelled as they re trying to cancel everything related to russia. george? yeah, there is in the now alternatives available bricks and then you more and more countries want to join the breaks, the shanghai cooperation organization. there are new international institution, new alternatives to the i, m f, world bank, a global order that was created in the aftermath of world war 2 and the chinese and are developing a kind of a world development bank gate alternative to the well that you know, the global south is indeed looking a bomb. lee isn t saying, you know, we don t have to play the west game. we don t have to sit and listen to lectures. so this is this economic all done of the alternatives, all the values, the values that the currently espoused by the united states in the west, you know, with what we call them, the war culture, the l g, b, t, q, i class culture. it s alien too much of a well, i mean, this isn t just simply, oh, well, you know, the, i was in iran there they live there on them. we re, there is the rest of the world that just doesn t understand why the west is espousing notions of how humans should live, that humans have never lived by in millennia. and so even, you know, on rushes embracing. this is kind of the leader a reaction against the will the western world culture just as a it s the leader of reaction against neo liberal economic model. yeah, a martin is joe biden, celebrated a gathering of african leaders from what i understand there. there wasn t even a one to face to face one meeting with any of those leaders. i may be wrong, but i understand here. and the whole issue was ukraine in africa was like what the chinese were here. they re building bridges in roads and schools and hospitals. ok, i mean, this is just arrogance that comes from the west to mean it is i ve said many times is that know that the west is no longer feared. okay, we have the d dollarization going on trading in local currencies, different financial institutions as a whole literature i out there called the world beyond the west. it s very, very real and it s taking on meaning and i think 2023 is this good. it would celebrate that martin of africa leaders, you know, they watched the biden stunt, and i m going to start with the, with the, with the jewels wide open. you know, absolutely incredible. and i m look, look it up going to start now. look at 2023 will break records in afghanistan. it will make us remember the t v footage from cnn in 1980, as of how kind of standard women of the cassette player, of all the streams of cassette tape being, being strewn across the street from the central couple, you know, kinda sounds going but the middle ages because of us foreign policy, just failing completely on a wholesale level and those african leaders you talked about, they watched that they witnessed that. they said when we fic tricia and all this is this what happens to us when we don t tag along with us a gemini, you know, and you know, i mentioned 17 election to know what very carefully because of us are in africa and the next couple of months beginning is warbling, and it looks like it s going to fool and no longer become a french satellite state anymore, just as money did a couple of months ago. if pikeno 1st fools, that will be a precedent that will be france losing all of its influence in africa, which means losing all of its edge. there will be no more western story or crunch speaking africa and countries like morocco or am for example, will play more of a role of being a big brother and creating a structure in banking, on services and things like that. so this is what will we have to look forward to? is it i think my money is on the tipping point, being in africa, it ll start in africa in 2023 and other countries around the world. watch that and say, well, if africa can do that, if ever concern to china for investment, the business perhaps to, to russia for security and to countries like morocco or turkey for other things. you know, then, why can t we, you know, dmitri last year, joseph burrell talked about europe is being the garden and the rest of the world, being the jungle, i think in 2023. the world is going to see the day. there are many gardens out there and it s not in europe, dimmer you are, it is now all this will be no single global a. the, as a lot of people expected in the mind give already women that are going to be at least read what boys, asians, there is going to be involved. globalization around the united states and the european union, and some of their allies in america, in africa, was in kind of those failures. but there will be another global is the around russia, china, with many countries from africa joined with many companies from wedge in american, georgia. and there will be a 3rd, a 3rd group. i think it will be somewhat jittery about being too reliant on china. so they will have globalization also the role that reminds me a little of the cold war times when there was the west. the story of more and then on the line. and the experience shows that this is not bad. actually when you have one single system in the world, when you have the government, when someone tries to be come to the government, usually these people suddenly become extremely stupid. and the racial polio on wave, he has pension and the book a book reminds no rush and sanctions. now like hitler, wanted to build huge dominant by around the world. we re going to compete in globalization. and what s going on in your brain? i think it s not between russia and the state, and of course it s not between russia and in between. that affords us all the west still trying to, to maintain they are he gemini and then you were horses which are not support in russia. there are many countries, in fact we support one out of time, but i can think of a better way to end this program. thank you very much. i want to thank my guess in budapest verification and in my scott and i want to thank our viewers for watching us here. archie. see you next time. remember cross stuck rules. ah. so it s a should we do it via dickie? you were yesterday s. the kilogram seems like good and she was morrison with one foot 3rd. so the minute or 2, this is a vehicle so to speak to with just a some remote suit, your sandwiches for spiritual are your oh my food park. sharevault brazil kashi. we me through to appreciate you watching walk with 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