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tossed. the appeal that they would put forward would, among other things, try to focus on attacking the fairness of the judge i just mentioned who steered the trial through political and legal emine fields as the times reports and thus that approach to trying to get the whole thing tossed looks like an uphill battle to experts. take one lawyer who actually screens cases the for appeals court, this exact situation, saying the case has none of the red flags for reversal on appeal. the judge's demean nor was, quote, flawless. now, even convicted felons have rights. this sentencing affords, for example, donald trump's lawyers the right to make all the arguments against any jail at all. and remember, if there's no jail time, then the appeals process will have a little less intensity because it will be about the fact, the legal fact of the conviction, but won't be resolving whether or not he goes to jail. if, however, he's sentenced to, say, a month home confinement and a month jail or three months jail and it is only the appeals
single one. he hasn't in this case, but the jury is out on whether he -- whether we've really caught up with him finally. >> people struggle to depart from patterns, that's why they're patterns. and i'm going to show you in a minute the pattern of him getting away with things. but now with him losing, how do you think the people around him are absorbing that is a full and total loss with the legal possibility of, i'm not saying it's happening, but the possibility of jail time, which in my experience around the law, that focuses the mind of even the most powerful, even the billionaire, former heads of state, jail's different. >> first of all, i have no doubt that there is -- one of the emotions trump is feeling is terror. and the idea of being in a prison on -- for 30 different reasons is unimaginable to him and horrifying. second of all, he lives in a
gets it wrong. i don't think there's a realistic hans that donald trump is going to jail this year. >> right. >> let's say the judge does what i said and sentences him to a year in prison or home confinement. trump will file the next day a motion for bail pending appeal, which is basically a document that says to the court, hey, i've got some grounds for an appeal here, don't jail me now. let's see what happens in the appeal. and almost certainly that is going to be a granted motion. they're routinely filed. i file them, you know, lots of people have filed them. so i don't think that's realistic. >> let me slow you down just on your lingo, neal. when you say a granted motion, all of that, what you're saying is there is precedent. it is within the normal process that even if he got a jail sentence he wouldn't be physically going into the jail immediately because, in fairness, he would get to exhaust his right to appeal it. >> exactly. he gets to hit the pause button, i mean, and say to the judge, don't jail me now. maybe jail me at the end of the
screen. guilty. count 28, guilty. those are the first 28 counts as read by the jury. count 29, guilty. count 30, guilty. count 31, guilty. count 32, guilty. count 33 and 34, guilty. that is donald j. trump, defendant in new york versus donald trump found guilty on all 34 felony counts. that is the verdict here in this case. >> rachel? >> listen, it's a unanimous jury verdict, unanimous on all counts. this is a definitive and, you know -- this is an irreducible verdict. he can appeal. i'm sure he will appeal. but this is everything that the prosecution asked for. >> everything they asked for and sought and proved to this jury. definitive, unanimous, and many americans view the result as both legitimate -- this is our process, and we've been told from the beginning of our civics classes through all of our
falsifying a business record to swing or try and swing the 2016 election. so i expect what the prosecution's going to focus on -- and a key variable is the d.a. bragg going to seek a jail sentence. i suspect he will both because of the pornts of the crime but also because donald trump showed a lack of remorse through the process and his behavior through the trial was just appalling. and the judge is firmly within his rights to look at all of that. >> so what would, in your view, a fair request from the d.a.'s side look like, knowing that, as i mentioned, it's still going to be fought out in court? >> yeah, i do think it's a sentence of potentially a year or something like that. it may not have to be served in a penitentiary. it might be served in home confinement, but i do think this is, you know, not minor stuff. this is pretty serious. now, the other question is -- and this is where i think that todd blanche and the -- just
because we have somebody who did something really egregious here that really had an impact on election, and i think i have a very solid case on the law. and i think he does. and i think the facts really supported that. >> i agrow that it got stronger as we watched the witnesses, and i think the prosecution made a number of smart moves. maybe the smartest of all was starting with david pecker because the stakes with so clear. and i think, david, what you're pointing to is this essential question ethat trump raises for rule of law. do you treat him differently in a way that gives him a pass, or do you make sure you uphold the same standards as usual, even though he used to be the president. and that does seem now like what must have really been on alvin bragg's mind as he was weighing what to do. >> if i understand the situation, not to go too far back in history, but the decision to charge martha stewart. and we had all the facts there and that she lied and she
horrible tragedies of this case is the attack, the unprecedented attack, and the baseless attack on the system here. i mean, i think, if anything, this is a great story for the rule of law and the vindication of justice. and people who are responsible or who know better or should know better, particularly lawyers, coming and making attacks on the system. every criminal case there's lots of tragedies in it. you have the victim, the defendant themselves, and here you have added to all of that the tragedy of respected people in government, high places, making attacks on the system and undermining the very confidence when it's completely baseless. >> we have some top republicans in that vein. i want to play that. i talked on some of the other news coverage, so we've shown what happened, but here's some of the reaction from top republicans. >> this case was rigged from the very beginning. >> i think that what happened in new york, if you applied it across all 50 states, would be
all 34 counts. that has to matter in the history of this. >> all 34 counts in about 15 minutes of deliberations. >> two day, but okay. >> it was a quick -- i mean, this was not a tough lift once this jury got to see all the evidence there. now, obviously there's some legal issues there, but i think substantively, i think they're going to -- i don't know if they're unprecedented, they're bit unusual these legal issues, that doesn't mean that they are foundationally weak. >> yeah, really interesting here as we start the new week with all of this percolating, david and emily. thanks to both of you. coming up, trump is facing the possibility of parole, probation or jail time. coming up, tony schwartz talks about how this could affect him. my special guest coming up. affect him. my special guest coming up tide pods child-guard pack helps keep your laundry pacs in a safe place and your child safer. to close, twist until it clicks. tide pods child-guard packaging.
all. it's a state case brought by the state of new york. and when you see that kind of disinformation that is really a problem for people's understanding, for our faith in the system, and just for telling the truth about what happened. >> yeah. we put together something else. it's one of these days where there's so much happening thursday, friday we didn't get to everything, but david, we put together some of the past criticism, second guessing of this case, including the sort of a lead or privilege mode where people say i prefer that other case, as if we're playing some national legal video game. most of those other cases are not scheduled to happen against donald trump before the election anyway, so this is the case. and i wonder how some of this looks to you, especially given your role as having been a chief prosecutor. this is a good watch, i would argue. our team put it together, but i think they did a good job. so for your reaction, this is the many, many criticisms of d.a. bragg over the time.
look ahead to opening statements tomorrow, and later, dr. anthony fauci, the grilling house republicans gave him over the covid pandemic. and what he gave them back in all right good evening. thanks for joining us. we begin tonight, keeping them honest with what looks to be the shape of things to come. as the leader of the republican party, the self-proclaimed rule of law party faces a july sentencing date for 34 felony convictions increasingly, that means republicans are attacking a criminal justice system. they've longed, claimed to support threatening to investigate and defunded, even threatening to defund the entire federal government. all because the jury of 12 americans did what juries are entrusted to do, listened to evidence, and reach a verdict we are in a serious country anymore. we're literally a banana republic. so what does it matter, finding the government, the american people don't give a let's georgia republican congresswoman marjorie taylor greene talking to cnn's manu raju separately in a new letter scene and obtain today house judiciary chairman jim jordan is proposing to defund federal fulton state prosecutions