need for regulation, laws. i think when you re talking about technology you have to be very careful when you talk about regulation because technology moves very quickly and so and there are important northwestern values at stake, the first amendment and the like. while we don t want foreigners interfering in our elections and that s clearly what happened here we also want to make sure we don t overregulate or overlegally try to put too many laws in place here in an area that s very dynamic. thank you all. i appreciate your time. have a good weekend. thank you. this is cnn tonight. it s 11:00 p.m. on the east coast, and we ve got breaking news on big stories for you tonight. president trump speaking to a cheering crowd in alabama doubling down tonight on his rocket man rhetoric against kim jong un. rocket man should have been handled a long time ago. and he has set off a firestorm with his dig at colin kaepernick. wouldn t you love to see one of these nfl owners when somebody disrespects our flag to say get that son of a bitch off the field right now, out. he s fired. president trump also blasting senator john mccain tonight for announcing he d vote no on the gop s health care bill. i want to talk about it with cnn s senior political commentator and former u.s. senator rick santorum, one of the architects of the graham-cassidy bill. and also barbara boxer. she joins us now. i can see we re getting her shot set up there. so senator santorum, i m going to start with you. this afternoon john mccain announced he cannot in good conscience, he said, those are his words, vote for the graham-cassidy proposal to repeal and replace obamacare. you worked on the drafting of this legislation. can it survive this blow? yeah, it sure can. we have there s still votes out there that can be gotten. and look, as anybody who s ever worked in the united states senate knows, no vote is counted until it s counted. and some people say they re not supporting it john mccain gave three reasons. one was a congressional budget office score. well, there s going to be a congressional budget office score before the vote. so we re down to two reasons. by the way, neither of which are about the bill. he s actually told senator graham and others that he actually likes the bill. he thinks the bill is the right approach. he thinks the block grant is fine. he said his governor doug doozy has been a strong proponent of this bill, it does a lot for arizona, it s going to be beneficial to the state. you know, it is not something that he disagrees with philosophically. he just doesn t like the process. but two things. it s only a partial score from the cbo. it won t be a full score from the cbo. and senator john mccain has said really not commented on the legislation. what he has said is that he wanted to go through the normal proce process, he wanted a bipartisan bill. that doesn t accomplish any of that. so you re not going to get john mccain back. no matter what. so what all i would say is people we re going to have a hearing on monday. we re going to have a cbo score on monday. we re going to have partial cbo score. well, partial in what respect? i mean, with respect to the budget act? the budget act says the congressional budget office has to give what the impact is on the federal budget. everything else that cbo is doing is not required under the budget act. with respect to the number of people who could or will that s right. that s not required under the budget act. but that s important for viewers and for people who are americans, don t you think? if you believe cbo, and i don t think anybody in the congress, republican or democrat some want to believe cbo because it s actually it supports some of the things they say. but even jonathan gruber, who is one of the architects of obamacare, throws away the cbo estimates that literally millions of people, more than half the people they say are going to drop coverage because of the republican plans, ours or anybody else s, they say are going to drop plans simply because the employer man the individual mandate goes away. jonathan gruber wrote an article that said that s just ridiculous, that s not the reason people drop coverage is because the government s not forcing them. let me ask you, senator santorum, then who are they supposed to believe? the republicans who want this bill? the democrats who don t want this bill? or the non-partisan cbo? i think what they have to believe is what s actually before them. look at what the bill does. isn t that what the cbo does? well, no. i mean, look at what the bill does. the bill takes $1.2 trillion, all the money that is spent on obamacare with the exception of the money that is taxed on the american people, working men and women who are getting taxed right now by obamacare for not buying insurance, we re going to stop taxing people who are being punished by obamacare for not purchasing insurance. we re removing that tax. and we re going to remove a tax which is actually starting this month excuse me, next month on employers. i don t know if you know this, don, but president obama delayed the implementation of full obamacare. full obamacare was an employer mandate. there s about $5 billion in tax bills going out next month to employers, about 90,000 employers in this country, and it s going to probably cost five to ten billion dollars for them to have to comply with all the accounting they have to dosh did. i want to get barbara boxer in. and i didn t have her responding. i was doing my best to channel you. barbara boxer. because her shot wasn t ready. but how do you 1307respond to w the senator is saying? well, you know, i served with rick. hi, rick. how are you doing, barbara? for many years. and rick santorum would no sooner vote for anything if it didn t have a score. so let s put that one aside. you cannot say you re a fiscal conservative and push ahead. secondly, not one thing my friend said that addressed the issue here. what does this mean for america s families? and that s what s important. and that s why john mccain is so brave to do this. because what he s saying is when you have a bill that is going to essentially throw a hand these are my words. throw a hand grenade into the health care system, which is 1/6 of our economy, millions of people got health care because of the affordable care act. now you re just trying to meet an artificial deadline and what is going to happen to our families is terrible. don t listen to me. listen to the american medical association, the cancer society, the diabetes association. even the health insurance companies. you can just go on and on. jimmy kimmel. people who know. they ve had to deal with pre-existing conditions. this is not the way to govern. and i am so touched by john mccain because can i ask you something? he once again has put his country ahead of anything else. can i ask you something? because john mccain is calling for rick santorum and i were talking about this before you joined us. he s called for regular order, a bipartisan approach. is that realistic at this point? of course it s realistic. this is an aufshl deadline. can you imagine bringing up a bill like this, don and rick, and you ve got 90 seconds to two minutes to debate it? this is all baloney. there is no rush. when the democrats did the affordable care act, republicans kept saying we were being partisan. but we accepted over 100 amendments from republicans. it took us months and months to do that bill. so what john mccain is saying, let s not throw a hand grenade into the system. let s slow it down, take a deep breath, let s make sure that people are going to be kept whole while we debate, put every proposal on the table including this one but senator, the and let s see where we need to go. senator santorum and others who support the bill, their argument has been that there is no time, that premiums are going up when it comes to the affordable care act, that it s collapsing and this is their language. collapsing under its own weight. there s no time. time is running out. how do you respond to that? well, it makes no sense because we do have problems with the exchanges. but that s only 6% of the people who have health insurance get it that way. medicaid is fine. we know medicare is fine. we know that we have to deal with some of the problems. but again, we have 20 million more people who are covered. they can go to sleep at night. i know the days i ve got to tell you something. when i was a senator, i was there 24 years, people would tell me, and this is fresh in my mind, that they get down on their hands and knees, when they were in their 50s, and say i can t wait till i turn 65 to get on medicare, i m so nervous if something happens to me or my family. we have addressed that issue. and when you play back senator santorum s words, which are you know, he s good at presenting a case and i want him to be able to respond. but go on. there s no emotion in it. there s no talking about our families. the fact of the matter is o xwamacare or the affordable care act, either way you call, it it s being subverted by this president doesn t like it and he has cut out all the funds to advertise the exchanges, but we still are signing people up. and we can fix it. last point i ll make. okay. let s bring back bipartisanship. lamar alexander, patty murray. i just talked to patty before i got on the show. she says she s so excited to work with him. she loves working with him. let s get back to those days when republicans and democrats worked together. rick, i want to give you the last word, and i want to give you a chance to respond. go ahead. on two points. first, on patty and lamar. lamar alexander said at a lunch i happened to be in attendance at it, that there was no bipartisanship going on and patty murray actually wouldn t norfolk any changes to obamacare there or anything substantive that could be passed in the united states senate. basically, the democratic demand was just give us the money and you re stuck with the way it is right now. that s the bipartisanship no. that well, i m just telling what you lamar alexander said. that s number one. number two, i love this not true. idea that somehow or another if you re out there advocate forget a system that you believe better treats the people of this country is that you don t care about families. i m someone who s on the obamacare exchanges. i m someone who has a child with pre-existing condition. i m someone who pays $30,000 a year for health insurance for affordable insurance, for a silver plan on the obamacare exchanges. the bottom line is most people can t afford, very few people can afford $30,000 insurance. if that s affordable to you, barbara, if that s affordable to you, don, that s great. it s not for millions of americans. this system is broken. and the bottom line is i m out here fighting for it, doing this out of my own time, because i want american families and people who have children with disabilities to have the ability to get affordable insurance but would your insurance costs be and the way to do that is to get the money closer to the people, allow innovation, quit doing this one size fits all everybody but with all due respect, senator work your situation be worse, wouldn t you actually pay more if you didn t have the affordable care act, if you weren t on that plan? couldn t you be paying more money than the $30,000 you re paying now? let me just say this. i believe that we should have pre-existing condition coverage, and the graham-cassidy bill actually is better let me just say this one more time. is better no. at pre-existing conditions. let me explain why. i wrote it. so let me explain why. i helped write it with lindsey graham and bill cassidy. because it says that every state has to comply with pre-existing condition. but if you don t want to comply with it, if you want to waive it, you have an extra added burden that the obama that the aca, obamacare doesn t have, and that burden is you have to prove to the secretary of health that you can provide affordable and accessible health care to people with pre-existing conditions but you still have the option. what the fact check shows you said that is not what the experts say. yeah, that s because they haven t read the bill excuse me. they haven t read the bill. yes, they have read the bill. no, they haven t, barbara, because the bill hasn t been released. so don t tell me rick, calm yourself. i m not going to calm down. calm down. i m passionate about this. rick, you re losing it. i want to make sure that people and families take a deep breath. and right now they re not getting it. take a deep breath. i m doing this on my own time as well. rick, i know you well. and you got very excited. i appreciate it. the fact is the experts who know this, who understand this, people who have looked at this, have told us very clearly that it s true. there s words in there, keep the coverage for pre-existing, but there s no cap on it. so you could tell someone, yeah, your kid is born with a defect, but it s going to cost you, you know, thousands of dollars a month. excuse me. and that s a fact. and rick with all due respect i ve got to i ve got to go. the language says affordable and accessible. and that has to be signed off by the secretary you cut out all the money you cut out all the money for planned parenthood. you re leaving 3 million people without that. come on reallocate the money to other women s health clinics i want to one at a time. but go on. we re going to take a little more time. go on. first off we re not cutting money for women s health care. the money for planned parenthood is being reassigned to other women s health clinics. that s number one. rick, no one wants it reassigned by the men of the senate. no one wants it reassigned by the men of the senate. you and i have gone on for years and years on this subject. people want to be able to go to planned parenthood. and you have cut out the funding. that s 3 million people. and the fact of the matter is every single group that we trust, the american cancer society, you name it, they oppose this bill. and why don t you just admit that we should do the regular order, get back to regular order, hold hearings, have the experts, you can testify, i can testify, people who are in that as a matter of fact, i am testifying. i am testifying on monday. whoa. well, i m not. so that s well, i am. i m glad you re because i actually had something to do with this bill and i know what s in it. i think you guys are testifying right now. and a lot of these organizations who are opposing this bill haven t read the bill. the bill just was finalized today. so here s what i would say. watch the hearing on monday. i ll be there. i ll be testifying before the senate finance committee. and look at the report, look at the score, look at how it treats states. most states in this country actually do better under this plan, get more money we ll have you back on. after that why don t you come back on and we ll discuss this. love to do that. thank you, senator. this bill is a disaster. thank you. and i m proud of john mccain. thank you, guys. i appreciate. i ll see you next time. when we come back, president trump blasting kim jong un again tonight, calling him little rocket man. but what will happen if north korea makes good on its plan to test an h-bomb over the pacific? 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[ applause ] nobody is going to play games. nobody is going to put our people in that kind of danger. jim, how do you think north koreans will react? well, they would react negatively no matter what he says, but i do think he would be better advised to speak softly and carry a big stick. the things that are going to happen and go wrong if he should detonate an h-bomb up above the pacific would possibly include knocking out gps satellites. if they re near if he s near south korea, if it s detonated near south korea or japan, knocking out their electric grids with electromagnetic pulse. there are a lot of things that kim jong un could create that would be terrible. and i don t think that president trump has hit on them yet. the claim that they re considering testing a hydrogen bomb, it sent shock waves throughout the world today. general hertling, is it realistic, is that a realistic claim? what type of response would that bring from the u.s.? yeah, there s no indication right now that they can do that, don. and that s not to say that we shouldn t be concerned about it because they could potentially do it in the future. the issue, though, is as they were bluffing, as the foreign minister of north korea was bluffing this, saying it might happen, there are a variety of ways, i could probably outline about 20 different courses of action of a way that they might do it if they had the device that they could put on a rocket and launch over the pacific ocean. if it s an atmospheric blast, if it s an ocean-level blast, different things would happen. if they give a warning beforehand so ships and airplanes could get out of the area. you know, this could knock an airplane out of the sky. it could cause problems with navigation in the ocean. it could kill a lot of people if it s a near-ocean blast. if it s an atmospheric blast like admiral woolsey said or i m sorry, ambassador woolsey said, it could cause emp problems. but none of that is there s no intelligence that they can do that, they can launch it in the middle of the ocean. but the other thing you have to concern yourself with is north korea s not any signatory to any non-proliferation agreement. so if they were to do something like this, they re literally not violating any rules of law or laws of land warfare. it would be a test. it would all depend on what the results of that action would be, whether it killed people or caused a great deal of disruption and what our reaction might be to just provocation. but either way, don t you think it would be catastrophic? yes. this represents a very dangerous escalation in a very volatile area. think back as to what actually did happen back in 1954. the united states detonated the bravo test, 1,000 times more powerful than the hiroshima bomb, but a japanese fishing boat wandered near the kill zone of that h-bomb test. the results were horrible. 23 seamen came down with radiation poisoning. blood came out of their gums. hair fell out. nausea. skin lesions. now, replace that fishing boat with a cruise boat. replace that fishing boat with a navy vessel. anything could go wrong to set off an international incident. and just remember that what happened to the people of the marshall islands. they had to evacuated. they went back. it was too radioactive to go back to the marshall islands. they were evacuated a second time. they came down with elevated rates of birth defects, cancer, thyroid problems. so something like this could have international implications if something goes wrong and radioactive fallout spreads in the area. yeah. jim, this is all very frightening. what are the possibilities? because there are some who say, well, it s never going to happen. but i mean, sitting here listening to michio and listening to mr. hertling, general hertling, i mean, how possible is this? i think it is quite possible and it does not need to be a huge blast to cause a great deal of difficulty. blast is not what s relevant. it s really the gamma rays. and if you were talking about generating an electromagnetic pulse, which i think is the most dangerous thing because it could take out the electronics of important areas either in asia or if they should get it over here to the united states on a satellite above the united states on a satellite, then detonating would knock out our electric grid. so there are some very serious problems that could be caused by this. the emp commission has gone into substantial detail, very distinguished fizz zits on it, has done into substantial detail on these points, and an america without an electric grid is like what the situation is in puerto rico now. you everything stops. possibility. how likely? is it realistic? first of all, i don t think that the north koreans have a true h-bomb. an h-bomb is a two-stage device or a three-stage device, depending upon uranium and hydrogen. the last detonation they had was about five times or so more powerful than the hiroshima bomb. it it was probably a boosted weapon. in other words, on a two-stage device but a 1 1/2-stage device. they re fudging it it basically. however, i don t doubt that one day they will be able to do this. the same thing was said about china back in the 1960s. people said china would never be able to create a hydrogen bomb. well, they did. in fact, the last detonation was in 1980, was a chinese hydrogen bomb. so i think that even though they don t have it now, i don t think that they have it, i think it s only a matter of time before they do and we have to act as if they will get it. frightening prospect. thank you, gentlemen. up next, friday night lights for the president in alabama. his speech in front of the a cheering crowd. president trump takes on the nfl and one player in particular. wouldn t you love to see one of these nfl owners when somebody disrespects our flag, to say get that son of a bitch off the field right now, out, he s fired? 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[ applause ] in fact, you probably saw, you know, we have a wall up there now. and we re renovating it already. it s being made pristine, perfect, just as good as new, although we may go a little bit higher than that, but that s okay. and we re building samples of the new wall. you know, it has to be a see-through wall. i don t know if you know this. frankly, i didn t know it until about a year ago. as much as i say. if you can t have vision through it, you don t know who s on the other side. a see-through wall? what s your reaction? it s interesting because i think the more that he talks about this the more that it seems that he s trying to go in the direction of when there is no there s a space there now, it s see-through. exactly. what i m saying is when there is no physical beautiful brick wall on the 2,000-plus-mile-wide border between us and mexico he can say to his audience, oh, i never really talked about a physical wall. look, i talked about a wall having to be see-through, et cetera, et cetera. because he knows that a physical wall the way that he talked about during the campaign and what he has promised his base is not going to happen. it is not feasible. the majority of the american people don t want it. frankly, the majority of republicans on the hill don t want it either. yeah. who said that s not true? is that andre? go ahead. andre said that. and that s not true. the majority of americans do want borders. they all realize, look, when we go through security at the airport it s to protect everyone. there s a difference between borders and a border call. security is not a physical border wall. every time we come back into the country. yeah, but andre andre s doing a sleight of hand here. there s a difference between saying that americans want borders and that americans want security and saying that americans want to build a wall or a fence or some other physical mechanism to really alienate and act as a form of state violence against people south of that doesn t alienate anybody. even the vatican has walls. we have locks on our doors. it doesn t mean we don t want to keep people out. but we want to protect our family more than anything. even in the neighborhood we live in. because we love people. this is a great country. but we don t everybody just cacheting in anytime they want to come into the country. nobody s saying that, andre. nobody is saying that. that s why you and i have to go through security. and the american people do want a wall. they want something to keep people from just walking in without a checks and balances system to know who s in this country. but andre, don t you think it would make your argument would you d have a more plausible argument if the vatican wasn t just a couple of thousand acres rather than 100 a couple of hundred acres rather than thousands of miles? because the whole idea is not about a border. it s about a physical wall. i think marc does have a point, that there s a difference there between a border and a border wall. well, a wall keeps people from crossing your border. it makes it a whole lot more there s a fence there now. i think people do want something there it ain t working, don. but do you think that a border wall actually, it is, andre. it s working more under trump than it was working under obama. no. if you look at what is going on yes. with the numbers, under obama the immigration undocumented immigration into this country through the southern border was net negative, andre. okay? yes, they have come in less and less because it started under obama and because of trump s rhetoric they are coming in less and less. but that means that the border security measures that had been put in through the eight years of president obama are actually working. i ve got to so let s fix this immigration system i ve got to talk about something else i know you guys are going to enjoy. the president also weighed in on the nfl and referenced colin kaepernick, formerly with the san francisco 49ers, who drew national attention for refusing to stand during the star spangled banner. i want you to take a listen to what the president said. wouldn t you love to see one of these nfl owners when somebody disrespects our flag to say get that son of a bitch off the field right now, out, he s fired? he s fired! [ applause ] the only thing you could do better is if you see it, even if it s one player, leave the stadium. i guarantee, things will stop. things will stop. just pick up and leave. pick up and leave. marc, what do you make of this kind of message coming from the president of the united states? this may be one of the most vile and disgusting things that president trump has ever said in a very long and impressive list of vile and disgusting things. to call people exercising their first amendment rights to protest injustice sons of bitches when you don t have that kind of language, he doesn t have that kind of language for al qaeda when they were cutting americans heads off. he didn t have that kind of language for people who were white supremacists, anti-semites walking through charlottesville. in fact, he called them very fine people. so an anti-semite is a very fine person and somebody who s protesting injustice and violence against vulnerable people is somehow an s.o.b.? that is a terrible language. it is a disgust language. but it s reflective of a deep white supremacist impulse in donald trump s mind, spirit, body, and politics. marc is not the only one voicing that, matt. bakari sellers-u know him well, he tweeted this out tonight. he said you all remember charlottesville, white supremacists, very fine people. black nfl players, sons of bitch that s need to be fired. what do you say, matt? well, i look first of all, i d say that there s no doubt that donald trump has this weird, you know, intensity toward certain things and he has he ever said anything bad about vladimir putin? i don t know. but let s put that aside because i think you re right about that. that s a fair point. bakari scores one there. i actually agree with him on the nfl, though. i ve quit watching the nfl myself. i ve got hours of time on sundays free. it s amazing what happens when you don t watch the redskins lose every week. but look, i think, you know, there s a lot of reasons to sort of be upset with the nfl right now. concussions. but one of them is these are the people have fought and died for this country. we just had 9/11 a couple weeks ago. and here you have millionaire nfl players that i am paying money to like wear their jerseys and watch on tv who are not even willing to stand up for our national anthem. i do think that s a problem. and look, if you are an employee and you re putting on if i own the san francisco 49ers or whatever and you re part of the nfl, you re part of my league, you re putting on our uniform, you re on the job and you re not going to stand up? okay, matt. matt, matt, matt, let me make a point. hold on, marc. because as you were saying that i was thinking there are millions of people of color who are at home saying the exact same thing about president trump. you re a millionaire slash billionaire who s put on this suit to be the leader of the free world and still you can t stand up to bigotry and racism and white supremacists and anti-semiites and call them sons of bvp bishes? instead you call people who are protesting the country i m not a big fan of donald trump either. why the double standard? don t you understand why someone would feel that way about him? i m not a fan of donald trump either. but i would be very upset if he refused to stand for our pledge of allegiance or our you do at times defend him. sure. of course. when he s right. you re not defending the nfl. you re saying you wholeheartedly cast out the entire nfl because you agree apparently with what the president says. couldn t the same be said about the president, what you just said about the nfl? do you think he has the right to do what he s doing? that donald trump has the right to no. or colin kaepernick? kaepernick. well, he does. and he s also out of the nfl because he s not a good quarterback. i think part of it is a publicity stunt. that has nothing to do with it. he has the right to do this. if i were the coach he has the right to do this. and to your point he has the right to do it and to pay the consequences. and to pay the consequences. exactly. absolutely. and that s fine. but he has the right to do it. and when you have a country where the president of the united states fails time and again to stand up for minority communities and this is the only way that a person like kaepernick has that kind of voice to be able to do it on behalf of millions of minority so the only way he can express himself despite the only way he can get his message out the only way he can get his message out is to refuse to stand up and honor this country, all the people who ve died defending that flag, so that he has the freedom to be exactly. maybe he s honoring by paying his taxes, maybe he s honoring it by he has that freedom. he does. and listen, i think many people agree with you. he suffers the consequences but he has the right to do it but i think your facts are wrong when you say he s not a great quarterback. the facts don t bear it out. he was once very good. i ll give him that. it s a couple of things. first of all, several years ago he was in the super bowl. there are people right now holding clipboards as third-string nfl quarterbacks who are literally working at department stores last year. to suggest that colin kaepernick is not one of the 70 best quarterbacks in the world is just absurd. but it s also absurd to say that because he s not in the nfl he s not a good quarterback. he s clearly being blacklisted. he s clearly being blackballed here. and yes, you talk about nfl owners. nfl owners own teams. they don t own nfl players. but part of the problem is this plantation logic that says somehow because we re your employer we own and you we can determine your actions. do you think cnn could fire me if i tweeted something inappropriate? come on. am i on a there s many people is this my plantation because i could get fired if i did something do you think they would fire you for not standing up for the that s a whole different thing. you re comparing to-two different things. you know what? they would have the right to do it. they could do it. i don t think cnn would fire you for that. but go ahead. it would be absurd. i come on here every week and talk about white supremacy, i say donald trump s a white supremacist, i don t stand for the national anthem, i don t stand for the national anthem and cnn still employs me. it s plantation logic to think you can control people s minds and bodies and politics which is what they re attempting to do with colin kaepernick. also not standing for the national anthem isn t inappropriate or wrong, it s somethingy something you have a different point of view on. it s unpatriotic is what it is. let me respond to that. okay. first of all, you don t get to define patriotism for everybody else. people didn t die for the right to stand for a flag. they died for freedom and justice. and colin kaepernick is putting his knee down because there is an insufficient amount of freedom and justice for vulnerable black and brown people. when somebody dies in this country we put the flag at half mast. we have a flag but we put it at half mast. colin kaepernick s body is standing at half mast every time he puts his knee on the ground because he s saying that america is not free yet. and yes, he s a millionaire athlete. that s why we should be honoring him. he has everything to lose. colin kaepernick has privilege. he has access. he has money why didn t he do this when he was in the super bowl? why didn t he do this when he actually was a good quarterback, in fact a great quarterback? very good. he didn t do it then. why is he doing it now that it doesn t matter? would it have bothered you less if he had done it then? no, it wouldn t have bothered me less. he s got he can buy tv time. maria for the win on that one. i think there s a very good answer to that because maybe when he was winning there were were you know, there weren t the high-profile cases of people being killed that we saw. so anyway. it s the time we re living in. thank you. thank you all. i have to go. thanks, don. great conversation. when we come back, a former football player weighs in on what president trump said tonight about the nfl and players who protest the national anthem. to folks everywhere whose diabetic. .nerve pain shoots and burns its way into your day. .i hear you. when that pain makes simple errands simply unbearable. .i hear you. i hear you because my dad struggled with this pain. make sure your doctor hears you too. so folks, don t wait. step on up. and talk to your doctor. because you have places to go. .and people who can t wait for you to get there. if you have diabetes and burning, shooting pain in your feet or hands. step on up and talk to your doctor today. ostriches don t really stick vitheir heads in the sand.ve horns on their helmets. and a real john deere is actually real affordable. you learn something new everyday. the surprisingly affordable john deere e series tractors. president trump s comments tonight about nfl players who protest the national anthem setting off a storm of criticism. here to discuss, marvin washington, a former nfl player, and cnn analyst. sports analyst christine brennan, a columnist for usa today. so good to have all of you on. i m sure you heard that conversation before. it was heated and it was very interesting. i want to get your reaction to a comment by president trump just a short while ago regarding the nfl. watch this. wouldn t you love to see one of these nfl owners when somebody disrespects our flag to say get that son of a bitch off the field right now, out, he s fired? [ applause ] he s fired! so of course he s talking about colin kaepernick formerly of the san francisco 49ers not standing for the national anthem. i think it s par for the course for 45 and i don t think we need that type of rhetoric right now. colin kaepernick is just exercising his first amendment right and freedom of speech and freedom of expression. and this country was founded on civil disobedience. colin kaepernick is doing something i grew up during the late 60s, early 70s. and we had the socially kroshs athlete. and i think that he s bringing back that tradition and he s protesting civil rights and social justice or lack thereof. and i m for it. christine, what do you think? don, i think we re going to see potentially more nfl players taking a knee this weekend than we ever would have thought, maybe even college players too. the reaction, as your show has exhibited because of this? absolutely. for example, you have steph curry talking about not coming to the white house and that he s out there with that. i think the reaction is just building. you saw the reaction obviously on your show. my sense is that people are going to be angry about this and that players are angry about it. obviously for all the reasons we ve been talking about. the racial connotations. the fact that trump will talk about this but not other things. so we ll see. but i wouldn t be surprised at all to see more protests this weekend, at least in part because of what the president said. do you think the owners, do you think they realize what and maybe the president do you think they realize what s happening, that instead of by their criticism they may be fueling i wouldn t say backlash but fueling the protests. i think owners are they pretty much are trying to concentrate on the season and next game so, they ve kind of tempered down talking about him because they re all about the next game and the next day. but this type of talk right here is going to bring more protests like christine said. and it s going to permeate down to the college and the high school level. i can see this happening starting tomorrow and going on to sunday and monday. you think it should? i think players should have the right to express themselves, and i think they will to a certain extent. i want to talk about cte now and aaron hernandez. a doctor in boston at boston university who was examining aaron hernandez s brain concluded he had suffered from severe cte. take a look at the pictures of his brain. just to clarify to our viewers, cte stands for chronic traumatic encephalopathy, which is a neurodegenerative disease found in people who have had multiple head injuries. marvin, you have been trying to create awareness about cte and other brain injuries. why is this such an important issue and what do you think of hernandez when you look at that? it doesn t surprise me at all. i kind of called it this when aaron hernandez was going through this a couple years ago, when he was first arrested. there was a few guys that i think have cte. one of them being lawrence phillip. lawrence phillip committed suicide last year. i reached out to dr. bennett amalu and told him to get his brain. this is something that is a safety issue in the nfl. unless they get their hands around this, in 20 years i don t know how the game is going to look because youth participation is down. it s down 10% in california over the last ten years. it s down in texas. so this thing is bringing awareness to parents to say i don t want my kid to have a disease if he plays this game. i even though, christine, on long island where i know people live there and they say who go to high school there have & have kids in high school there, are saying the football programs are being shuttered because parents don t want their kids one of the reasons is parents don t want their kids involved in this. i want your response. but let s play what the president said about football and head injuries. and i ll get your response. here it is. because you know, today if you hit too hard, right? they hit too hard, 15 yards, throw him out of the game. they had that last week. i watched for a couple of minutes. two guys just really beautiful tackle, boom, 15 yards. the referee gets on television, his wife is sitting at home, she s so proud of him. they re ruining the game. right? they re ruining the game. hey, look, that s what they want to do. they want to hit. okay? they want to hit. do you think that someone of the president s stature should be so dismissive? do you think he understands what s happening? i don t think he should be so dismissive. maybe he s playing to his base. i don t know. but as a sports journalist looking at this, this goes against everything we are hearing from doctors, from science, from medicine about correct tackling. it s not to say the end of football, but it s to do it the right way, and i think marvin s right, there are some major issues with high schools and the pipeline. what is it going to look like in 20, 30 years. but there s a more important issue about the health of young american athletes and obviously we ll have you both back. when we come back, actress rosy perez on what she s doing to help the people of puerto rico in the wake of hurricane maria. when this bell rings. .it starts a chain reaction. .that s heard throughout the connected business world. at&t network security helps protect business, from the largest financial markets to the smallest transactions, by sensing cyber-attacks in near real time and automatically deploying countermeasures. keeping the world of business connected and protected. that s the power of and. a trip back to the dthe doctor s office, mean just for a shot. but why go back there, when you can stay home. .with neulasta onpro? 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are they safe? well, i heard from my cousin marie about my uncle and my aunt. they re okay, but they have been without electricity since irma and they have no water, running water, and their house is flooded. but people in puerto rico, we haven t heard anything. and my brother s wife, jesse, is missing, and so he s going to fly down tomorrow morning. thank god jet blue has their services going down there. and we re just hoping that it s a matter of, you know, that the cell satellite is out and they just can t get in touch with us. communications just a communication issue. and right now because of the cam has broken and is overflowing into the town, it will start to overflow in there, so we re pretty worried. you re very active. you have roots there. what is it like to watch? and i know that the reason you re here is because you want to do something about it, you want to draw attention to it. it must be tough watching this. it is tough. it s agonizing. and what i want all americans to understand is puerto riconess are united states citizens and i hope that they show the same passion and support that they did for other fellow americans in texas and in florida. and also, we need to take care of the u.s. virgin islands as well. you know, and it s just that with puerto rico, the history with the united states, puerto rico always gets the raw end of the deal. and right now with this flooding that is occurring, the devastation hasn t even began because of the toxic ash dumping by corporations, coal power corporations, because of the superfund sites of hazardous waste. all of that is going to flow into all of that water. and so we don t know what s to come in puerto rico. and it s a very, very scarey time. it is. look at these pictures. i mean it s heartbreaking. and puerto rico was an environmental tragedy prior to hurricane maria. it s going to be even worse now. and they need support. they need love. they need money. and thank god we have new york i have to give praise to new york. new york states men because governor cuomo. he s there. that s what i wanted to ask you congressman so then tell us, then, the congresswoman va less questions. well, they re down there with all the first responders, with new york power authority. so what s the plan? and that s what i want to ask you. have you heard anything about their plan, what they re going to do once they arrive. what they did today was to assess the damage, and they also brought with them an immense amount of supplies of bottled water supplied by coca-cola. food, cots, pillows, blankets, generators. and then they re going to go back to new york and bring all their first responders down there. the mayor, mayor bill did he blasso has already sent down a bunch of first responders as well. and mayor did he blasso is going to have a fund racer in brooklyn at the firehouse on fourth avenue. so they re trying their best. and the best thing that has ever happened is that the governor of puerto rico reached out to governors throughout our nation and said we need help. i know. it s a tough time for all of us, but we re going to pull through and puerto rico is going to remain strong, and we re going to get over this. we re going to pull through and the united states is there for puerto rico and puerto ricoen people. thank you. we re thinking about everyone and your family down there. thank you. we ll be right back. nt] you , mr. stevens. your testimony will save lives. mr. stevens? 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that is tonight s the last word. the 11th hour with stephanie ruhle starts now. tonight, donald trump met his probation officer. we will look at a key step as sentencing approaches. the fate of hunter biden is in the hands of a delaware jury. nba legend steve kerr is here and why he speaking out about the stakes in the election as the 11th hour gets underway. good evening once again. we are 148 days away from election. today, one of the leading candidates for president met with his probation officer. donald trump brush off his guilty verdict set for a standard presentencing interview this afternoon, there was nothing standard about how this interview was held. trump got special permission to attend virtually from florida and to have his attorney todd blanche present. he s been complaining for months about it two tiered system of justice and he is right. is new public defenders pointed out today, most people do not get to login remotely from a resort in florida to talk to their probation officers. as for is what happens in these interviews, probation officers generally ask about financial resources, mental health, and any links to other convicted criminals. they also have to ask if you feel remorse for the crime you were convicted of. meanwhile, in delaware, the hunter biden firearms case went to the jury after both sides made closing arguments. hunter biden chose not to take the stand. here is ryan nobles with more. reporter: tonight, it s in the hands of the jury. six men and six women deliberating the fate of hunter biden, the first child of a sitting american president to be charged with a crime. many members of the first family in the courtroom throughout the trial. all of this is not evidence. gesturing around the courtroom and in the direction of first lady jill biden in the first row. people sitting in the gallery are not evidence he said adding no one is above the law. the special counsel s office use the president s son of lying on a federal back on check by checking the box claiming he was not an active drug user to purchase a gun. prosecutors used evidence from his laptop and called 10 witnesses, many describing hunter biden s frequent drug use including around the time he filled out the background check in october 2018. hunter biden s ex-wife testified she found drug paraphernalia inside his car in october 2018. his ex-girlfriend who was dating him at the same time singing hunter was smoking crack every 20 minutes or so. the evidence was personal. it was ugly. it was overwhelming he told the jury today. it was also absolutely necessary. defense attorney abbe lowell argued they focus too much on his drug abuse over a four year period and saying no one witnessed actual drug use during the window of time he purchased the gun. with that, let s do smarter with the help of our leadoff panel. pulitzer prize for investigative reporter with the washington post sam stein acerra veteran federal journalist and white house editor for political and a neighbor of carol. former new york prosecutor and civil rights attorney charles coleman jr. is here. you know it s a big night so you get first crack. donald trump met with his probation officer. help us understand the purpose of these interviews and how do they go and what do we know about what was asked in this one? when your probation officer will ask you questions, what they re trying to understand is what your setup is around your life. how do you live. what your financial resources are and what would be the impact of a particular sentence of a judge decides to send you to jail. are there people who depend on you? are you associating with other criminals which we know in the case of donald trump, he is. we could go down the long list. steve bannon, roger stone, michael flynn, the list goes on and on. one of the things a probation officer is looking to ascertain, and you talked about this, is whether you have any understanding and/or appreciation for the crime you re actually committed up. i think donald trump has a difficult tightrope when it comes to everything he said in the public around this persecution rather than what he knows is actually in the prosecution by the das office, and that will be something that will be hard to get around. the probation report is going to be something the judge takes into account when they make their decision around what sentence they ultimate ultimately oppose. they will make the recommendation and trump s attorneys will argue for as lenient of a sentence as possible. sam, donald trump has been arguing for months and months that there s a two cheered data tiered justice system and its benefiting him. he got to meet virtually with his probation officer. his lawyer was there and when he speaks at his rallies he s always saying i am doing this for you. i am standing here for you. but any trump supporters were in his position, they would not get the special privileges. why do they keep buying this? you are right. when you think back to the gag order that was imposed on trump at various points in the criminal case, that was almost done with reluctance compared to what it would ve been for any other person in the justice system. obviously, donald trump is a unique person in the justice system that he s running for president currently. it makes sense that some leeway is given to him. the justice system works in his favor and i would argue the second story, hunter biden s story, it is not a justice system. the presidents own department of justice is bringing a case against his son. if there was a thumb on the scale of the justice system on the part of president biden, one thing he would do it to alleviate the burdens on his son and maybe let it go away and the president sat back and watched this progress to the point where we will probably get a verdict in the next day or so. carol, get it s been a crazy last eight years and people have become desensitized. it is not even remotely normal for the presumptive gop nominee to be meeting with his probation officer. what is your reaction to this extraordinary moment in american history? i ve thought a lot about that and how numb the country has become to everything that we have watched in the last eight years. nobody can forget and yet we almost act like it was no big deal when then republican nominee for president, donald trump, was caught on live tape talking about grabbing women in the using a course word and saying he could get away with it because he was a celebrity. starting then and continuing on, it was like a starting gun of every other week, every other two weeks, revelations about donald trump as candidate and as president that made us all gasp and wonder, can he survive this? donald trump is the republican nominee for president again. he is the front runner in this race by many polls, and he is a felon who has been convicted of 34 counts of crimes in the state of new york. the city and the town, where he once ruled. all of us are like, oh, yeah, that s how it is. that s sort of the standard now for the last eight years. it s important for us all to step back and remember that no president and no former president has ever been charged with a crime and now we have one who has been convicted and is seeking to return to the white house. charles, an appellate lawyer wrote that donald trump s chances of winning an appeal are pretty slim. what do you think? i think so. when you talk about what it is to appeal a jury verdict, the first thing people need to understand its an rare occurrence that the system will look at the decision that is made by our constitution where you get a chance to have your case heard in front of a jury of your peers, which donald trump did, and override that decision absent some extreme miscalculation by the judge or extreme actions by one of the attorneys. judge merchan does not get enough credit for the way he ran this trial. i think he was aware that all eyes needed to be dotted and all his teas needed to be crossed and that s why he did on such a run such a tight ship to make sure there were as few issues for appeal as possible. that doesn t mean donald trump s attorneys won t seek to find an issue but the likelihood of being successful is slim to none. sam, dal bragg says he will testify before the house about the trump case but most likely not until after donald trump gets sentenced. he knows what he is going to face with house republicans. how do you think he will handle this? i mean, we knew the house republicans were going to do this. they signaled they want to protect donald trump and want to go after the prosecution. there has been overtures they want to defund jack smith for instance. bringing alvin bragg to the hill is something we should ve expected a long time ago. i m surprised they didn t push harder prior to this. i would point to the fact that a jury trumps peers made the determination he was guilty of 34 counts. that s the aspect of the american justice system that trump was right to defense and he was given defense. there will be questions about, who was on his team and funding them? what it comes down to is this is how the american justice system is designed to work. trump at his day in court and had his defense. that is that. the decision was made by a jury of 12 and you have to live with it that s what we do. charles, let s shift to what sam was talking about. the hunter biden case. what did you make of both sides, closing arguments, and hunter not taking the stand? it didn t surprise me that hunter biden did not take the stand for a number of reasons. number 1 comments difficult for hunter biden to give testimony in any way that will try to exonerate him or at least defend against those charges without either incriminating him or at least admitting publicly about his substance abuse. i think that is something he wanted to avoid. i think his team wanted to avoid that and if you are looking at this, it s something that would not of been well for the biden administration to have in the headlines. not that that has an impact on hunter s actual case or charges per se, but i think it was part of the calculus here. with respect to what you heard from the prosecution, this was straightforward. many legal experts myself included understand that when the special prosecutor on the case that joe biden allowed to stay on the case brought the charges, that is, if anything that we ve seen recently is a mass political prosecution we have seen. i say that because for these federal charges to be brought, you typically don t see that absent some additional violent events involving the actual handgun or the weapon that is in question. that s not the case here. hunter biden is not charged with that because we don t have those facts. robert hur decided to bring the charges against hunter biden and the case for the prosecution is relatively straightforward. none of this surprises me. what the defense did a closing argument is you work with the facts you have. they don t have gray facts so they have to call into question the time line. i don t know if that will be enough for a jury to either acquit him or result in a mistrial. sam, the president has already said he will not pardon his son. if he is found guilty, he could be taken into custody . how is the administration, campaign, going to react to this? they have been hands-off about a. they are not hiding the fact this is taking an emotional cole, mental pool, on the president. he is a there. when you ask about present enough, they are hands off. there s discomfort in the white house to even talk about the issue with the president himself. he does not want to discuss it. it s not that he doesn t think it s a political fallout but it s too raw for him. the question, will republicans tried to capitalize on a guilty verdict, and if so, what manifestation? we have a debate coming up. it s not beyond the realm that donald trump will not try to use something during the debate and what we ve been surprised to see is how little republicans are talking about the hunter biden trial including trump himself. it doesn t come up that much. it used to be a topic of discussion but not recently. you wonder if that s because they don t want to draw attention to trump s own legal mishaps or tested it out and realize there might be boomerang effect where people are sympathetic or empathetic to joe biden if you go after his son, part of what the issue is, issue of addiction. carol, no topic. your paper, the washington post , has this story out over the weekend about the trump ally with a quote post constitutional vision for a second term. the man s name is russell, what can you tell us about this? beth reinhard on our national investigative team for this great reporting that presages the future and right donald trump presidency. the kinds of people he is entrusting to make the plans for his new administration. he was a deputy omb director and had been in congress as a staffer for a long time and other federal agencies. he knows his way around the legislative and the executive parts of our government. he is using that knowledge to broadly expand the powers of the executive, if trump takes office. to the point of saying he will find a way for the justice department to prosecute and imprison those who he feels is wrongly gone after the president in the past including journalists. that includes political figures think the biden family members. he has said rather he is said to confidantes that he would work very hard to loosen the military s ability to take action at the president s command to stop protests that are against the president. to interfere perhaps in elections. the military would be an entity the president could send it to domestic situations and something we have avoided ever since the horrors of kent state for example. it s a person who believes in the unitarian executive theory but is proposing things behind closed doors. he may end up being the chief of staff for the president. he is proposing things that send a chill up the spine of those who really study democracy and its norms. here s my head scratcher. there s a lot of conservatives who say they do not like trump what they like his policies. these are the same people who are all about small government with limited power. this, this man and this plan. isn t that the complete opposite of small government, limited power? this is big government with ultimate power. well, i think one thing you have highlighted on your program consistently, if i can give you a hat tip, is the idea of the hypocrisy. the republican party for as long as i have been a reporter which i m embarrassed to tell you how long it has been, has always been about criminal justice and serious tough law enforcement. it s been the party of being concerned about foreign adversaries, rough it russia chief among them but that s all out the window now with trump as president. putin is a great guy and the new republican party. he is a fan of donald trump therefore he is awesome. getting tough on criminals? not important anymore because we really want to support certain criminals who have been unfairly, and to use this in quotation marks, unfairly persecuted. that is the line the republican party is pushing. again, this notion of big government as being anathema to the government party is out the window as well. if it suits donald trump. that s the litmus test for republicans who want to stay in power. people can vote how they like but it s our job to shine a light so people understand exactly who and what they are voting for. carol, was great to see you. sam, charles thank you. nine months into the war and five americans are still being held hostage by hamas. why the white house is considering a new strategy for negotiations. after months in a dead heat in the polls with trump, president biden is revving up his engines and maybe even changing lanes. the 11th hour just getting underway on a monday night. da. with absorbine pro, pain won t hold you back from your passions. it s the only solution with two max-strength anesthetics to deliver the strongest numbing pain relief available. so, do your thing like a pro, pain-free. absorbine pro. norman, bad news. i never graduated from med school. what? -but the good news is. xfinity mobile just got even better! now, you can automatically connect to wifi speeds up to a gig on the go. plus, buy one unlimited line and get one free for a year. i gotta get this deal. i know. faster wifi and savings? .i don t want to miss that. that s amazing doc. mobile savings are calling. visit xfinitymobile.com to learn more. doc? nbc news has exclusive new reporting on a possible new strategy from the u.s. to negotiate the release of american hostages still held by hamas. it comes as we get new video the moment israeli forces rescued three hostages over the weekend. andrea mitchell has the latest. reporter: tonight, the dramatic moment when three of the four hostages were rescued. you can hear gunfire as officers approach a family home in the middle of a refugee camp. finding the hostages inside of back room. officers asking further names as the hostages answer back. andre, he says. the daytime mission leader resulting in a firefight the idf says as hamas seven fire on the hostages and rescuers as they escape. the high death toll of palestinians potentially complicating delicate cease- fire negotiations with hamas. secretary of state tony blinken in israel dominica must agree to a deal. israel accepted the proposal. the only party that has not accepted and the only one that has not said yes is hamas. that s who everyone is waiting on. reporter: they were taken during the terror attacks at the music festival. 26 years old who became the face of the hostage were. seen on the back of a motorbike being kidnapped. her boyfriend still held captive tonight. hugging her father and reunited with her mother who was terminally ill. a 21-year-old coming home just one day after his father died but arriving before his mother s birthday. i could not stop poking him. tomorrow is my birthday so i got my presence. thank you. a 40-year-old aunt 127. falling to his knees when he was reunited with his mom. while their celebrations in israel, and gaza there is morning. the hamas run gazan health ministry which does not distinguish between combatant and civilian death said 274 palestinians were killed in the rescue mission including 64 children, one woman telling our crew. my house is destroyed. reporter: this is nbc news reporting exclusively the u.s. is discussing a new move if cease-fire talks fail making a unilateral deal with of the most to release the remaining american hostages. negotiating through qatar and without israel. according to ginger current and former senior u.s. officials. my number 1 priority as secretary of state is to ensure the well-being of americans who are in harms way anywhere in the world. reporter: as your top priority, wouldn t indirect talks for the americans at least bring those americans home? the most effective way to achieve that, get them home, is through the proposal on the table. let s see if we get an answer from hamas. for more, peter baker white house chief correspondent for the new york times . is this a sign the white house is frustrated with the pace of negotiations between israel and hamas? obviously, it s been nine months and these american hostages have been there the entire time. the american government has deferred to the israeli government when it comes to dealing with the hostages. they have dual citizenship and israel is on the ground and united states is not. it suggests an in patients with the biden administration that its own hostage, american hostages, remain in limbo while netanyahu and hamas remain at odds over the cease-fire proposal. you heard secretary blank and say that it s hamas that has yet to accept this proposal. i think that s important point they want to make that israel has agreed to this despite the public ambiguity. right now, they re frustrated it s taking so long and seems to not be heading toward a conclusion and they seem to be willing to think of ways to get the americans at this point out if there s a way to do it. president biden is not the only one expressing frustration. benny gantz just resigned from israel s work cabinet saying it s a prime minister and he is standing in the way a real victory. what does that signal to you about the state of the war effort and prospects for new elections over there? it s a big deal and it s been remarkable to work cabinet has hung together as long as it did. benny gantz has run against netanyahu multiple times and the idea they sat together in this work cabinet is a remarkable situation. it s hard to imagine joe biden and donald trump sitting together in a unity government. at this point, he s decided enough is enough and it s not working. the prime minister netanyahu is an obstacle toward a resolution to the conflict rather than a leader. that puts netanyahu in an awkward position but it may require him to rely even more so on his far right-wing coalition to stay in power. he has to appeal to the parts of his coalition that he himself might affect comfortable in order to keep his majority they can avoid further elections. we will have to see where it leads. there s not much chance or at least not a lot of optimism for prime minister netanyahu they could win another election but he s been an enduring figure for a long time and israeli politics. let s stick with the right wing and change locations. you were just in france and when president biden was there, he spent a lot of time trying to reassure nato allies who are nervous about a second trump term. i want to know how his message was received and we keep hearing about our european allies, worried about trump, but there were a bunch of elections that took place last week in europe and they were big winds for the far right. it s not just a u.s. issue but it s happening over there as well. it s not just a u.s. issue. the european elections on sunday were a remarkable shift in power toward the right. you saw macron of france who host a president biden the night before at the state dinner where they held hands and effect in favor of establishment politics, and also rock that he s calling new elections in france himself to see if he cannot win over his own public where he is not very popular re-there. these guys will get together in italy at a g7 meeting and they will talk about these issues like gaza, ukraine, do. president biden has a low approval rating, his at home is higher than some of the other leaders who will be at the summit. there s a time when the establishment politicians of the major industrial powers are on their back heels a little bit amid this right-wing populism we are seeing in europe and the united states. peter, you always make a smarter. thank you for being here. when we come back, stubborn polls and has the biden campaign getting a read data revving up the race in the 11th hour. hour. if you re one of the millions of people with diabetes who suffer from low and high blood sugar, dexcom g7 is one of the easiest ways to take better control of your diabetes. my blood sugar would suddenly spike or really go low out of nowhere. it was really scary. 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(announcer) dexcom g7 helps protect against highs and lows. call now! the biden campaign is making big changes after listening to months of public and private concerns from democrats. their switching up the style and launching major policy initiatives both to lockdown voters already on board while trying to pull new ones in. i want to bring it msnbc contributor brian tyler: and former adviser to george w. bush and john mccain. were not talking one or two small changes. the president is revamping his policy portfolio and will refer to trump is a convicted felon and he sitting for interviews beyond traditional media. you to sit down with vice president harris. what do you make of these changes? i think it is smart. reach people where they are. people are getting their news from less traditional outlets and people are watching the news less frequently anyway and people are checking out. it s smart to reach these people where they are and find them where they are not paying attention to the more traditional issues. the biden campaign recognizes whatever it has to do as we head toward crunch time. this is not just about his base. it s nikki haley voters, independence, and never trumper s. the people who could make or break the election which is currently by a lot of polls in a dead heat while press former president trump is not looking beyond his base. will this work for biden? well, yeah, he has to look beyond the base. that s where the election will be decided. i remember when the bush campaign was in trouble in 2000. we had to do a reset and we got pushed into it. we didn t want to do it and ultimately we decided we needed to because we had to. part of it was making changes but a big part is doing a reset for the press and the larger public to say, we heard the message. we are doing things differently. it makes sense practically speaking and make sense of the speaking that you are sending a message that you heard the message and we are doing things differently. in this campaign, it s so razor thin that biden has to do everything right and this is one of them. this is good. one of the things he needs to do is turn up the volume on the things donald trump is saying. they are seizing on some of the comments that trump made it his nevada rally this weekend. i will share a bit. you feel that? i don t want anybody going we need every vote. i just want your vote. i don t care about you. what i just heard him say, i don t care about you. i just want your vote. did the rally attendees here this? what? did they hear that? they have selective hearing. donald trump can say anything on god s green earth and they will cheer on cue. it s important that americans more broadly here it because that s him giving the game away. he doesn t care about anybody. trump s only goal is to keep himself out of prison. to make prosecutions against them go away. he has brought forward no plans to lower costs. nothing to lower health care costs. nothing to increase the amount of jobs. he has no plans for housing or inflation. his campaign is predicated on keeping himself out of prison, out of the courtrooms, and making the cases go away. and a revenge tour against the people who deign to hold him accountable for his crimes. it s a rare instance, less rare these days because he has a proclivity to see the quiet part out loud. he is saying it. if you want an example of someone who treats supporters with nothing but contempt, it someone like donald trump standing there on that stage and basically telling them what he thinks about them. what i like to hear about is the truth mark and billions of dollars in infrastructure funding has made its way across the country thanks to president biden s massive infrastructure bill now law. suddenly, we are seeing some house republicans taking credit for these jobs that were created but for facts say, the same republicans voted against the bill. to their constituents who might not pay attention to traditional politics or watch the news, do they know the new truth? these guys are taking credit for things they voted against. they are not going to hear the truth. let me make another point on the las vegas speech and the ad. there is another ad i think the biden campaign which is the best of the campaign which is donald trump in his voice talking about veterans. i think they should leave that up through election day. it s spectacularly good and impactful. trump has been complaining about it and we call that as hit dogs barking. you know he s feeling the pain so it is working. as a former ad guy, the most effective thing you can do is not say what you think the person said but let them say what they said themselves. it is great. brian, i want to go back to the infrastructure point. if you the biden campaign are running and local elections, what do you do about the fact that you have some house republicans patting themselves on the back, taking credit for passing things they voted against? i think they done an effective job at exposing these people. biden said it out loud when he was in lauren boebert s district that she tried to take credit for the infrastructure plan. it s getting into these districts and doing the side-by- side. the media has been great about showing side by sides where it s donald trump railing against toilets not flushing and trying to keep himself out of prison and biden talking about $35 inhalers. $35 insulin and $2000 a month health care plans and things that will impact regular people. they been good about that side- by-side but it s getting out there and hammering the message over and over and over again. they often say what is the one thing that a politician did to change your life or help you in some way? you got to show people. thank you both for being here. stay up for this. coach steve kerr when he talks, everybody listens. the nine time nba champion is here next. is being endorsement in the selection and is taking caitlin clark s first month in the pros. pros. switch to shopify so you can build it better, scale it faster and sell more. much more. take your business to the next stage when you switch to shopify. are you still struggling with your bra? it s time for you to try knix. makers of the world s comfiest wireless bras. for revolutionary support without underwires, and sizes up to a g-cup, find your new favorite bra today at knix.com hi, i m jason. i ve lost 228 pounds on golo. and sizes up to a g-cup, changing your habits is the only way that gets you to lose the weight. and golo is the plan that s going to help you do that. just take the first step, go to golo.com. in the last 10 days, we have had elderly black people killed in a supermarket in buffalo. asian churchgoers killed in southern california and now we have children murdered at school. when are we going to do something? ! i am tired. i am so tired of getting up here and offering condolences to the devastated families out there. i am so tired of the excuse i m sorry, i m tired of the moments of silence. enough. steve kerr is best known as an nba champion player and coach. most sports fans know him as a fantastic communicator and every postgame press conference where he broke through and spoke to america was when he spoke from the heart after the mass shooting in uvalde, texas. last week, steve kerr announced he will be endorsing joe biden for president and we will find out why. he joins us now. it s a pleasure to see you. tell us why this endorsement and why now? it s clear that president biden is interested in implementing gun safety measures. common sense gun violence prevention measures. i have been doing a lot of work the last 10 years with a lot of different gun safety prevention people like brady, giffords, sandy hook promise, march for our lives. i have learned so much and i know we can prevent lives. president biden is adamant that he is going to push for commonsense laws that can do that. i know trump will not do that, and so it s a simple choice for me. are you voting for joe biden against donald trump? i am voting for joe biden. i think the biggest thing for me, everybody needs to vote their conscience. i am voting on a few issues, but this is the main one. i lost my father to gun violence when i was 18 years old so i know how much pain people go through every single day in this country. i know gun violence is the number 1 killer of children in america. i know there is so much we can do about this. i think most people out there agree with me whether you are republican or democrat. 80% of people in this country want universal background checks , doesn t matter your political affiliation. we can do this but we have to steer the cruise ship. it will take time. we need to implement laws that the vast majority of our country want and president biden is willing to do the work to try to get those changes. you have said in the past that before you lost your father, as you said when you were only 18, you felt her life was impenetrable. nothing could get you down and bad things did not happen to you. what do you say to the folks out there who thinks gun violence is a problem but it will not affect their life so they don t make it a voting priority. you just don t know. it s such a common occurrence. the chances are likely that you will not be impacted, but there s a good chance that you will also. that is a scary thought. i have a granddaughter who is 18 months old. i am thinking about when she goes to kindergarten and she will have to go through mass shooting drills, and the trauma the kids all across america go through just from those drills and the possibility of facing that kind of situation. it is so traumatizing, and it s a terrible thought that all our children are feeling this way. again, we know that comm laws save lies. they absolutely do. there s so much we can do and it s my civic project that i like to work on is trying to help get, as i said, the ship moving. it will take a lot of work. it s up to us as private citizens to insist the government take the necessary moves to make that happen. there s a lot of public figures who share your views. many did endorse president biden in 2020, but many are staying quiet now. expressing public views right now is getting more and more difficult. the backlash is real. this is not going to be easy for you and you will get heat by all sorts of people. why did you decide to speak out? it s too important to save lives and it s important to do something that s important for our country. not that i can do anything by myself, but i do have a platform. if i can get the message out there, it is so important for families to talk about this issue. neighbors, friends, this is not an attack on the second amendment. this is about implementing things that can save lives. again, it could be your own child. your own mother or father, could be you. we have to understand the gravity of gun violence in our country and not just pass it off as this is the price of freedom. that s what a lot of people say. we have to have the freedom that the second amendment provides us, but it should be kids able to go to school and not being afraid. there are ways to do this. we can protect the second amendment and protects citizens with simple laws. we just have to get everybody on board. it is such a political hot button but it s not a common thought in our country that this is a controversial issue. it is not. 80% of people want universal background checks. we should have that, and that alone would save hundreds if not thousands of lives every year in america. you said it right there. it s a political hot button but not when you go in people s homes and use it other tables and talk about what matters to them. i do want to talk about something else that matters to you that you know a lot about and that s obviously basketball. you played with michael jordan. you know how this superstar was treated early, and the attention he got. given your first-hand knowledge, what do you think of caitlin clark s treatment so far in the wnba? i think it is a rite of passage for young players whether the wnba or nba. other players will test you. she reminds me a lot of steph curry. a lot of people may not remember this but in his first couple of years he was not a superstar. he is not who he is now. he had to get stronger and had to understand people were coming after him. that is what is happening with caitlin right now . it s all in the name of competition. she is handling herself beautifully. she is an amazing player but like every college player who comes in, it takes time and they ve got to get stronger and more used to the contact, physicality and athleticism. she will be fine and everything she s going through now is part of being a pro. what do you think of the fact she won t be at the olympics? i am so excited. i am sorry that she won t be there but she ll have a great chance in four years. when you put these teams together, all you care about is winning. it s probably going to take caitlin a couple of years to be at the top echelon. the women s team is taking the 12 players they think can help bring home the gold and that s with the men s team did. that is the name of the game so no politics in the olympics. we just want to win. and i sure hope you do this year. nobody remembers when steph curry was not an absolute superstar. it s always great to see you and thank you for joining us tonight. we will have more of the 11th hour. 11th hour. rt working on contact to target tough pain at the source. for up to 8 hours of powerful relief. new advil targeted relief. hi, i m jason. i ve lost 228 pounds on golo. for up to 8 hours of powerful relief. i don t ever want to go back to wearing a 4xl shirt or not being able to climb up stairs without taking a break. so i m committed to golo for life. thank you for watching. we were just talking about the summer olympics, it s worth noting, that minutes from now, we will officially be two years out from the 2026 world cup that will take place right here in the u.s. after 30 years, and you can stream all the action live on telemundo and peacock so get your countdown clock started now. on that note, i wish you a very good night. from all our colleagues across the networks of nbc news, thank you for staying up late with me. okay, there is a lot going on tonight.
that is tonight s last word. tonight, donald trump met his probation officer. we will look at a key step as his sentencing approaches. the fate of hunter biden is now in the jury s hands. why he declined to take the stand. kerr is here speaking out as the 11th hour gets underway on this monday night: good evening, once again, we are now 148 days away from the election. today, one of the leading candidates for president met with his probation officer. donald trump fresh off of his guilty verdict sat for a presentencing interview. nothing standard with how it was held. trump got permission to attend virtually from florida and have his attorney present. trump has been complaining for months about a 2-tier system of justice and he is absolutely right. as new york public defenders pointed out today most people do not get to log in remotely from a resort in florida to talk to their probation officers. as far as what happens in these interviews, probation officers generally ask about things like financial resources, mental health and any links to convicted criminals. they also have to ask if you feel remorse for the crime that you are convicted of. meanwhile n delaware, the hunter biden firearms case went to the jury after both sides made their closing arguments. hunter biden chose not to take the stand. here is my colleague with more. reporter: tonight, it is in the hands of the jury. six men, six women deliberating the fate of hunter biden. the first child of a sitting president to be charged with a crime. many of the first family in the courtroom throughout the trial. all of this is not evidence said leo wise while gesturing in the courtroom and in the direction of jill biden in the first row. people sitting in the gallery are not evidence, he said, adding no one is above the law. the special counsel is accused the president s son of liing on a federal background check, checking that he is not an active drug user to purchase a gun. they used evidence from his laptop and called 10 witnesses, many describing hunter biden s drug use including around the time he filled out the background check in october of 2018. hunter biden s ex-wife found drug paraphernalia and his ex- girlfriend who wasidating him at the time said is he was using crack all of the time. the evidence was necessary. the defense attorney gude the prosecution focused far too much on his drug abuse over a 4- year period and no one witnessed drug use during the window of time he purchased a gun. with that let s get smarter with the help of our lead off this evening. reporter with the washington post,, sam stein is here. a journalist and white house editor for politico, and former new york prosecutor charles coleman jr is here. a big legal night so you get first crack. donald trump met with his probation officer today, help us understand the purpose of these interviews, how do they usually go and what do we know about what was asked in this one? reporter: stephanie, when your probation officer will be asking you questions what they are trying to understand is basically what is your set up around your life? how do you live? what your financial resources are, what is the impact of the sentence if a judge decides for example to send you to jail. are there other people depending on you, put in a bad position? by that, are you associating with other criminals that we know in the case of trump. he is, we can go down the long list, roger stone, many others, flin, the list goes on and on. most importantly, the most important that they are looking to ascertain, and you talked about it in your lead in, if you have any understanding and appreciation for the crime that you are committed of. donald trump has a difficult tight rope to toe when it comes to this given everything given in the public around this, rather than what he knows prosecution by the da s office. that will be something that will be hard for him to get around. ultimately the report will be something that the judge takes into account when they make their decision around what sentence they ultimately imposed. the da s office is making a recommendation of trump s attorney, going to argue as lenient of a sentence as possible. sam, trump is arguing for months and months and months. a two tier justice system. there is. it is benefiting him. we got to meet virtually, his lawyer was there and when he speaks at his rallies he is always saying i am doing this for you i am standing here for you. but if any trump supporters were in his position they would not get these special privileges, why do they keep buying this? reporter: well, you are absolutely right. we wrote about that in politico, too, when you think of the gag order various points in the criminal case, that was almost done with reluctance compared to what would have been done for any other person in the justice system. trump is a unique person in the justice system that he is a former president running for president currently. it makes sense some leeway is given to him in that regard. the justice system works in this favor in this case. i would argue thereat second start, hunter biden is evidence that it is not a justice system. the president s own department of justice is currently bringing a case against his son f. there was a thumb on the scale of the system of the part of president bid pen. one would think he would do it to alleviate the burdens on his son but the president sat back and watched this thing progress to the point where we will get a verdict in the next day or so. i get it has been a crazy last eight years and people have become desensitized. it is not even remotely normal for the presumptive nominee to be meeting with his probation officer what is your treks this response. how numb the country has become to everything we watched in the last eight years. nobody can forget and yet we almost act like it was no big deal when then republican nominee for president donald trump was caught on live tape talking about grabbing women in the crotch using a course word and he can get a wid with it because lesay celebrity. starting then and continuing on, it is like a starting gun of new, every other week, every other two weeks, revelations about donald trump as candidate and as a president that made us all kind of gasp and wonder, like, can he survive this? well, donald trump is the nominee for president again. he is the front runner in this race by many polls, and, he is a felon who has been convicted of 34 counts of crimes in the state of new york. the city and the town, where he once ruled. and, all of us are kind of like oh, yeah, that is right, that is how it is. that is, that is sort of the standard now for the last eight years. it is really important for us all to step back and remember that no president and no former president has ever been charged with a crime. and now we have one that has been convicted and is seeking to return to the white house. charles, a lawyer wrote in the new york times today that donald trump s chances of winning an appeal are slim, what do you think? reporter: i think so, stephanie. when you are talking about what it is to appeal a jury the first thing that people need to understand is that it is a rare occurrence that the simple is going to have a decision made by our constitution where you get a dloons have your case heard by a jury of your piers which trump did and override the system and overcalculation by the judge or actions of the attorneys. the judge does not give enough credit for the way he ran this trial. i think he was very much aware of all of the eye s needed to be dotted and t s needed to be crossed that is why he ran such a tight ship. to make sure that there were as few for a po as possible. it does not mean that trump s attorney does not like to seek an issue. rather than it being successful is slim to none. sam, today, bragg says he will testify before the house about the trump case. most likely not until after trump gets sentenced. he knows what he is going to face with house republicans, how do you think he is going to handle this? well, i mean, it is, it, we knew the house republicans were going to do this. they signaled they want to protect trump. they want to go after the prosecution. you know, various over00turs. bringing it to hill. expecting it a long time ago. surprised they did not push harder prior to this. if i were bragg i would point to the fact that trump s piers made a determination guilty on 34 counts. that is the aspects of the american justice system that donald trump had right to the fence. he was given through the fence. there will be questions of who is on the team, funding him. what it comes down to, this is how the justice system would work. they had his defense and, and that is that. the decision was made by a jury of 12. you have to live with it. that is what we do. charles, let s shift to what sam was mentioning a moment ago. hunter biden case. what did you make today of both sides closing arguments, of hunter not taking the stand. go in reverse, stephanie. hunter bid den not take the stand for a number of reasons t is difficult for hunter bid tone give testimony in any way that is going to exonerate him or defend against those charges without either incriminating him or admitting publicly around his substance abuse. i think that is something that he wanted to avoid. his defense team wanted to avoid that. ultimately if you are looking at this from a 50,000 foot view it is something that would not have been well for the biden administration to have in the headlines, not that it has an impact on hunter s case or the charges but that was part of the calculus here. with respect of what you heard, this is straightforward. i think many legal experts myself included understand that when robert herr, the prosecutor on this case and joe biden allowed to stay on the case brought the charges this, if anything, we seen recently was the most political prosecution that we have seen. i say that because for these federal charges to be brought you typically don t see that absence of violent offense involving the handgun or the weapon that is in question. that is not the case here. hunter biden is not charged with that. we don t have the facts. yet, still, herr decided to bring the charges against hunter biden and the case for the prosecution is straightforward. none of it is. the defense is saying you work with the fact that you have. they don t have great facts. they have to call into question the time line. i don t know if it will be enough for a jury to acquit him or result in a mistrial. sam, the president has already said that he will not pardon his son f. he is found guilty he could be taken into custody. how is the campaign going to react to this? they have been hands off. it is taking a toll on the president to make had decision. he is his son, he is a father. when you ask about him and press him on it, they are hands off. as we reported they do not talk about the issue. he does not want to discuss it. not that he does not think there will be political fallout but it is too raw. the question that ultimately comes down to is will republicans try to potentially capitalize on a guilty verdict. we have a debate coming up and trump will use it during the debate. will say upon to this point where we are surprised to see how little republicans are talking about the hunter biden trial including trump himself. does not come up all that much. used to be a topic of a lot of discussion for media and trump but not recently. you wonder if they don t want to draw the attention to his own mishaps or perhaps they test today out and realize there might be effect where people are sympathetic or empathetic to joe biden if you go after his son when fundamentally part of what that issue is, an issue of addiction. now topic, your washington post has a story out trump allies with a post- constitutional vision for a second term. this man s name is russell voyt. what can you tell bus this? by the way, it is for beth reinhart on this team that presses the trump precedency and the people he is entrusting to make the plans for his new administration. he was a deputy director and in congress as a staffer for a long, long time and other federal agencies. he knows his way around both the legislative and the executive parts of our government and he is using that knowledge to broodily expand the powers of the executive if trump takes office. to the point of saying that he is going to find a way for the justice department to prosecute and imprison those who he feels have wrongly gone after the president in the past. that includes journalists, that includes political figures like biden family members and he is, rather, he would work very hard to loosen the militaries ability to take action at the president s command to stop protests that are against the president to interfere, perhaps, in elections. basically the military would be the entity could send into domestic situations. something that really we have avoided since the horrors of ken state for example. this is a person who believes definitely in the executive theory but, now proposing things behind closed doors. he may end up being the chief of staff for the president, we will see. proposing what will send a chill off of the spine of those studying democracy and its norms. here is my head scratcher, carol. a lot of conservatives out there. don t like trump but likes the policies, these are the same people who are all about small government and limited power. this, this man and this plan, isn t that the opposite of small government limited power. this is big, big government with ultimate power. i think that is something that you highlighted on your program consistently if i can give you a hat tip. this idea of the hypocrisy, right? the republican party for as long as i have been a reporter, embarrassed to tell you how long that has been has always been about criminal justice and top, forgive me, serious law enforcement. it has been a party. a concern. russia, chief among them. yet, that is all out the window now with trump as president. putin is a great guy in the new republican party. he is a fan of donald trump. therefore, he is for them. it is not important anymore. we really want to support. certain criminal that have been unfairly and i use this quotation marks persecuted. that is the line that the republican party is pushing. and, so, again, this notion of big government for the republican party that is sought the window as well. if it suits donald trump. that is the litnus test. people can vote however they like. it is our job to shine a light so people understand exactly who and what they are voting for. carol, always great to see you, sam, charles, thank you as well. when we return, nine months into the war, and five americans are still being held hostage by hamas. why the white house is considering a new strategy for negotiations. and, later, after months in a dead heat in the polls with trump. president biden is revving up his engines and maybe even changing lanes. 11th hour just getting underway on a monday night th hour just on a monday night and living longer are two things i want from my metastatic breast cancer treatment. and with kisqali, i can have both. kisqali is a pill that when taken with an aromatase inhibitor helps delay cancer from growing and has been proven to help people live significantly longer across three separate clinical trials. so, i have the confidence to live my life. kisqali can cause lung problems or an abnormal heartbeat, which can lead to death. it can cause serious skin reactions, liver problems, and low white blood cell counts that may result in severe infections. avoid grapefruit during treatment. tell your doctor right away if you have new or worsening symptoms, including breathing problems, cough, chest pain, a change in your heartbeat, dizziness, yellowing of the skin or eyes, dark urine, tiredness, loss of appetite, abdomen pain, bleeding, bruising, fever, chills, or other symptoms of an infection, a severe or worsening rash, are or plan to become pregnant, or breastfeeding. long live life and long live you. ask your doctor about kisqali today. you know what s brilliant? 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[crying] falling to his knees when he was reunited with his mom. while their celebrations in israel in gaza there is mourning the hamas-run health ministry that does not distinguish between combat onand civilian deaths, 270 palestinians were killed including 64 children, one woman telling us. my family is destroyed. my house is destroyed they are reporting that the u.s. is discussing a new move if seize fire moves fail, making a deal with hamas to release the remaining american hostages, negotiating through qatar and not with israel. according to two senior officials. my number one priority as secretary of state is to ensure the well being of americans who are in harm s way anywhere in the world. that is your top priority, wouldn t indirect talks for the americans at least bring those americans home, possibly? the most effective way to do that to achieve that is through the proposal on the table. so, let s see if we get an answer from hamas. for more. peter baker joins us the chief correspondent for the new york times, peter, is it a sign that the white house is frustrated with the pace of negotiations between israel and hamas? yes. of course, obviously. nine months, these american hostages have been there the entire time. the american government has basically taken, deferred the israeli government when it comes to dealing with the hostages, most of the hostages have duel citizenship, theyor the ground. the united states is not. it suggests an impatience at this point. its own hostage remain at, in limbo in effect. remaining at odds for this proposal. you heard him say. hamas at this point to accept this proposal. i think that is an important point that they want to make. israel has, in fact, despite public talk of benjamin netanyahu s statements, right now, frustrated that this has taken so long, seen not to be heading towards a conclusion and therefore, obviously, they will be willing to think about ways to get just the americans at this point out if there is a way to do it. president biden is not the only one expressing frustrations. benny gantz just resigned saying it is the prime minister, he is standing in the way of real victory. what does that signal to you about the state of the war effort and prospects for new elections over there? benjamin netanyahu not once but multiple times in elections for the idea they sat together and the work ethic is remarkable situations, hard to imagine joe biden, donald trump sitting together in a unity government. but, this point, they decided enough is enough. it is not working. prime minister benjamin netanyahu is an obstacle to resolution rather than a leader of it. it puts it. they may require on the far right, staying in power, he knows he will appeal. he may back himself up not finding himself comfortable. avoiding further elections. we would love to see where it leads and further elections and not much chance and not a lot of optimism for prime minister benjamin netanyahu to win another election. he has been a remarkable part of politics. let s sit with the right wing and change locations. you were just in france with president biden. when he was there he spent a lot of time trying to reassure nato allies who are nervous about a second trump term. i want to know how his message was received, a, and b, we keep hearing about our european allies that are worried about trump. there are a lot of elections that took place over europe and they were big, big wins for the far right. it happening over there as well? you are absolutely right. not just a u.s. issue. the european elections on sunday were a remarkable shift in power. for the right. you saw president macron from france that just hosted biden the night before, state dinner where they held hands in effect in favor of establishment politics so rocked he is calling new elections in france himself to see if he can not win over his own public where he is, in fact, not very popular, either. these guys will all get together in italy later there week at a g-7 meeting and talk about a lot of the issues like gaza and ukraine and so forth. hovering over it is their weakness, biden s approval is higher than some of the other leaders at the summit. it is a time where they are all on their back heels a little bit amid this right wing popularrism we are seeing in europe and the united states. peter, you always make us smarter, thank you very much for being here tonight. when we come back. biden getting a revamp. his new strategy to rev up the race, when the 11th hour returns the race, when the 11th hour returns good results. look at that! the broccoli was fantastic. that broccoli! i think some of them were six, seven pounds. let s get started. bill, where s your mask? 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i think it is smart. reaching people where they are. we know people are getting news from a lot of less traditional outlets and people are watching the news less frequently any way and checking out politics. it is splart to find them when they are not paying attention to the new issues any way. biden campaign recognizes that it has to do with whatever it has to do as we head towards crunch time here. mark t is not just about his base. this is about nikki haley voters, trumpers, independents, these are the people who make or break the election. it is currently by a lot of polls in a dead heat. president trump, former president trump is not looking ahead of his base. is this going to work for biden? yeah. he has to look beyond the base. that is where the election will be decided. i remember when the bush campaign was in big, big trouble in 2000. we had to do a reset. we kind of got push into it. we did not want to do it. ultimately we decided we needed to because we had to. part of it was prescripted and part of it was making changes but a big part, just doing a reset for the press and the larger public to say okay we heard the message we are doing things differently. it makes sense practically speaking and broodily. you are sending a message to everybody. you heard the message. yes, we are doing things differently. again, in this campaign it is so razor thin. the bidens got to do literally everything right there is one of them. this is good. one of the things he needs to do is turn up the volume on the things that donald trump is saying. they are doing that. they are seizing on some of the comments that trump made at his nevada rally this weekend. i don t want anyone going on me, we need any voter. i don t care about you i just want your vote, i don t care. so, what i just heard him say, i don t care about you, i just want your vote. broy an, did the rally attendees hear this? what? did they hear that? no. they have selective hearing. trump can say anything and they will just cheer and cheer and cheer on queue. it is important that americans hear it. that is him giving the game away. he does not care about anybody out here. trump s only goal, first, second, third priority is to keep himself out of prison and make the prosecutions against them go away. he has brought forward no plans for, to lower costs, nothing to lower health care costs, nothing to increase the amount of jobs. no plans on housing or inflation. he is focused on keeping himself out of the courthouse and out of the prison. this is a rare incidents, less rare these days. he is just, he is just coming out and saying it. if you want an example of someone who treats their supporters with nothing but contempt, it is something like trump, standing there, on that stage and just basically telling them what he thinks about them. what i like to hear about is the truth. and billions in infrastructure funding made its way across the country thanks to the infrastructure bill now law. and suddenly we are seeing some house republicans taking credit for all of these jobs that were created but for facts sake, those same republicans voted against the bill. do their constituents who might not pay attention to traditional politics or watch the news, do they know the truth? they are taking credit for things they voted against? no, they don t know the truth because they are not going to hear the truth. it is hypocritical. let me make another point on the vegas speech and the ad and by the way there is another ad that i think the biden campaign has done and it is the best one. donald trump in his own voice talking about veterans. i think they should just leave that up through election day. it is specifically good. really impactful. by the way trump has been complaining about it. what we call that is hit dogs barking. [ laughter ] you know he is feeling the pain so it is working. as a former ad guy, i know the most effectiving you can do is not say what you think that person said but let them say what they said themselves, it is great. i want to go back to the infrastructure point. what do you do about the fact that you have house republicans patting themselves on the back, taking credit for passing things they voted against? i think they have done an effective job at exposing these people. biden said it out loud. he was in lauren s district and she is trying to take credit. going out there, getting in the districts and doing that. and basically where trump one day rallying against toilets nothe flushing and keeping himself out of prison and then biden talking about $35 inhalers and $35 insulin and $2,000 a month health care plans, stuff that is going to impact regular people. they are good-bye that, side by side, it is a matter of getting it out there and hammering the message, over and over and over again. they often say what is the one thing that a politician did to change your life or help you in some way and you just got to show people. thank you for being here. still ahead, you want to stay up for this. when coach steve kerr talks, everybody listens the nine time nba champion is here next. his big endorsement in this election and his take on caitlin clark s first month in the pros when the 11th hour continues the pros when the 11th hour continues some people just know there s a better way to do things. and some people. don t. bundle your home and auto with allstate and save. you re in good hands with allstate. hi, i m greg. i live in bloomington, illinois. i m not an actor. i m just a regular person. some people say, why should i take prevagen? 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i mean it is clear that president biden is really interested in implementing gun safety measures. common sense gun violence pro vens measures. i have been doing a lot of work the last 10 years with a lot of gun safety prevention people like brady, giffords, sandy hook promise, march for our lives. i have learned so much. i know that we can prevent lives president biden is adamant he is going to push for common sense law that can do that. i know that president trump will not do that. so it is a simple choice for me. are you voting for joe biden or against donald trump. i am voting for joe biden. i think the biggest thing for me is, everybody needs to vote their conscious. on a few issues but this is the main one. i lost my father to gun violence when i was 18 years old. i know how much pain people go through every single day in this country. i know that, that gun violence is the number one killer of children in america. and, i know that there is so much that we can do about this. and, i think most people out there agree with me if you are republican or a democrat. 80% of people in this country want, want universal background checks. does not matter your political affiliation. we can do this. we kind of have to steer the cruise ship there. it is going to take time. we need to implement laws that the vast majority of our country want and president biden is willing to do the work to try to get those changes. you have said in the past that before you lost your father, as you said when you were only 18, you felt like your life was impentrable nothing bad can happen to you. what do you say to those people who don t say gun violence is a part of their life so they don t make it a priority. you don t know. the chances are likely that you won t be impacted. but there is a good chance that you will, also. and the that is a scary thought. i am a recent grandfather. i have a granddaughter that is 18 months old. i am thinking a lot about when she goes off to kinder garten and she kindergarten and she will have to go through mass shooting drills and the trauma our kids across america go through just from the drills and the possibility of facing that kind of situation. it is traumatizing and it is just it is a terrible thought that all of our children are feeling this way. and, again, we know that common sense laws save lives, they absolutely do. and there is so much that we can do and, and it is kind of my civic project that i like to work on. it is just, you know, trying to help get the cruise ship moving. it is going to take a lot of work. it really is up to us as private citizens toip sift that our government, you know, take the necessary moves to make that happen. there is a lot of other public figures that share their views, many endorsed biden in 2020. many are staying quiet now. expressing public views right now is getting more and more difficult. the backlash is real. this is not going to be easy for you. you will get heat from all sorts of people. why did you decide to speak out? well, it is too important to save lives. and to, i think, do something that is important for our country. not that i am going to be able to do anything by myself but i have a platform. if i can at least get the message out there. i think it is important for families to talk about this issue, neighbors, friends, you know, there is not an attack on the second amendment. this is about implementing things that can save lives. and, again, it could be your own child, it can be your own mother or father, could be you. we have to understand the gravity of gun violence in our country. and not just pass it off as well, this is the price of freedom, you know. that is what a lot of people say. we have to have the freedom that the second amendment provides us. freedom should also be kids going to school and not being afraid. and, there are ways to do this. we can protect the second amendment but protect our citizens with some really simple laws. we just have to get everybody on board. it is such a political hot- button. it is really not a common thought in our country that this is a controversial issue. it is not. as i say, 80% of people want universal background checks. we should have that. that alone would save hundreds if not thousands of lives every year in america. you said it right there. it is a political hot-button issue. not when you go in people s homes and sit at their kitchen tables and talk to them about what matters to them. i do want to talk to you about something else that matters to you that you know a lot about. obviously basketball. before you go. you played with michael jordan on the chicago bulls, you know how this super star was treated early and the attention he got. given your experience, your firsthand knowledge, what do you think about caitlin clark s treatment so far in the wnba? i think it is a rite of passage. wnba or nba. other players will test you. she reminds me a lot of steph curry. a lot of people may not remember this but in his first couple of years he was not a super star. he was not who he is now. he had to get stronger, he had to understand people were coming after him. that is what is happening with her right now. i think it is all in the name of competition she is handling herself beautifully. she is an amazing player. like any player that comes into the wnba, nba it takes time, they have to get stronger. get used to the athleticism. she will be fine. i think everything she is going through right now is all part of being a pro. what do you think about the fact that she will not be at the olympics, you will be there? i am so excited. i am sorry she will not be. i am sure she will have a chance in four years. when you put the olympic teams together all you care about is winning. and, you know, it is probably going to take caitlin a couple years to be at the top. i think the women s team is taking the 12 players that they think can help bring home a gold and that is exactly what the men s team did. you know, that is the name of the game. no politics in the olympics. we just want to win. and i sure hope you do this year. i can say, nobody remembers when steph curry was not a super star. steve, great to see you, thank you for joining us tonight thank you, great seeing you. we will have more 11th hour after the break have morh hour after the break you know what s brilliant? 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