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every country has 12-year-old boys who are angry and who want to take a gun to school. the difference between america and every other civilized country is, we allow our children to be armed. we allow 30 school shootings a year. and i would say that it is our responsibility as parents and as adults to protect children. that's our first responsibility. in a country that fails to protect its own children by reining in guns has lost the right, frankly, to call itself civilized. we know what works in every other civilized country. we just refuse to do it here. >> right. my issue also is with organizations like the nra that are financed by the gun manufacturers, their reaction to the school shooting will be, well, only the good guys, presumably the other 13-year-old kids in the school had had guns then this 12-year-old shooter wouldn't be able to do what he had did, which is clearly a ridiculous argument and ridiculous logic. they also have argued after the aurora movie theater massacre that people who go to movies should also be free to be armed.
then this 12-year-old shooter wouldn't be able to do what he had did, which is clearly a ridiculous argument and ridiculous logic. they also have argued after the aurora movie theater massacre that people who go to movies should also be free to be armed. this man, the 71-year-old retired policeman took their advice and took his gun into that movie theater. when somebody was texting or threatening him with a bag of popcorn, he shot him with it. this is my problem with the arguments that come back from organizations that have a vested commercial interest in the sale of guns. >> if only they were correct, piers. we have the data to show that that is just factually wrong. americans have more guns per capita than any other country in the world. not civilized country, any country in the world. we have almost one gun for every man, woman and child in america. if more guns kept us safer we would be the safest country in the world. and it's exactly the opposite. we have more gun deaths by far than any other civilized country. so we know that it's just not
every country has 12-year-old boys who are angry and who want to take a gun to school. the difference between america and every other civilized country is, we allow our children to be armed. we allow 30 school shootings a year. and i would say that it is our responsibility as parents and as adults to protect children. that's our first responsibility. in a country that fails to protect its own children by reining in guns has lost the right, frankly, to call itself civilized. we know what works in every other civilized country. we just refuse to do it here. >> right. my issue also is with organizations like the nra that are financed by the gun manufacturers, their reaction to the school shooting will be, well, only the good guys, presumably the other 13-year-old kids in the school had had guns then this 12-year-old shooter wouldn't be able to do what he had did, which is clearly a ridiculous argument and ridiculous logic. they also have argued after the aurora movie theater massacre that people who go to movies
energy lives here. sometimes it may not cross your mind why it is so important in our society to have a free press. the fact is, without a free press we don't have a free country. if they are not unrestricted in reporting it is not their liberties at stake, it is yours. that's why the first amendment is protected and sacred and why my next guest risked everything to protect her sources. she was signed to the report on the a urora movie theater massacre that killed 12 and injured others. citing two unidentified sources she reported that the shotter
involving four or more people killed since the start of 2012. this is so exceptional for any of the other rich, so-called civilized countries of the world. it's ridiculous. but where do we get some kind of movement -- i want to try and stay calm about this debate. >> yeah. >> emotion doesn't seem to work. where do we try and get a meeting of minds to get things practically done so that poor woman who lost her daughter at sandy hook can actually see that somebody is reacting to it? >> i mean, i think you have to have a mass movement of the people. the populous to say enough is enough, this has to change. you know, whether that's universal background checks or whether that is opening up data bases for mentally ill people so we know who we're selling these kinds of weapons to. something has to move forward so we're not making the same mistakes over and over and over again. >> but i remember after the aurora movie theater massacre when 70 people were shot. i think michael bloomberg came in and said what will it take? if it's not this, what will it
whose life changed forever because of a disturbed young man with a gun. her 6-year-old daughter died in the massacre at sandy hook. she tells me what she went through -- what went through her mind when she heard about the navy yard shootings and how we can try and ensure it doesn't happen to other families. plus, escape from polygamy. a beautiful teenager forced to marry the 85-year-old head of a religious sect. how she broke free and her fears of the others she left behind. >> i knew there were other young girls who were still and are still being violated. he is still running that place from prison through phone calls. >> it's quite extraordinary interview. that's coming up on the show. we'll begin with our big story, the investigation of the navy yard shootings. here's what we now know, aaron alexis made mysterious etchings into the shotgun used in the attack. they read, better off this way and my elf weapon. tactical officers and police
statement but not emotional in a way that perhaps some may have been in that situation. has she been emotional with you today? >> yes, she was sobbing and she was weeping. she's very sad. very sad. very, very depressed. >> what can you say to her? you're a man of great experience dealing with people who have been through awful things in their lives. this is particularly awful. she's lost a son and her son committed this awful massacre. >> right. >> what kind of advice can you give her from a spiritual sense? >> well, you let her know that god loves her that she's a victim also and she has the right to grieve. she's not at fault here. and i hope your viewers and listeners will understand that our children are adults and they're responsible to make prudent decisions and if they make poor choices, it's not the parents' fault. it's the child's fault.
the populous to say enough is enough, this has to change. you know, whether that's universal background checks or whether that is opening up data bases for mentally ill people so we know who we're selling these kinds of weapons to. something has to move forward so we're not making the same mistakes over and over and over again. >> but i remember after the aurora movie theater massacre when 70 people were shot. i think michael bloomberg came in and said what will it take? if it's not this, what will it take? and four months later, it was sandy hook. 20 kids blown to pieces. and even that, they couldn't even get background checks. >> that's right. >> they were more than happy to allow 40% of gun trades in america to simply have no check on them. and we saw you in that clip there from your extraordinary documentary. >> yeah. >> the ease with which people can get firearms and the lack of any checks that go on. >> and it's even -- it's even simpler, you're just having guns sold from person to person, peer to peer where there's even less checks. you know, at least in the gun
meanwhile, the shooter's mother made a heartbreaking statement today. >> our son aaron alexis has murdered 12 people and wounded several others. his actions have had a profound and everlasting effect on the victims' families. i don't know why he did what he did and i'll never be able to ask him why. aaron is now in a place where he can no longer do harm to anyone. and for that, i am glad. to the families of the victims, i am so, so very sorry that this has happened. my heart is broken. >> here now is the clergyman by her side when she said that. bishop jerrold seabrooks joins me on the phone. thank you so much for joining me. it was a heartbreaking statement. obviously everyone's focus is on the relatives of those who were slaughtered in this massacre. but as with all of these things, there are other victims too. not least this poor woman whose son committed the atrocity.
been through awful things in their lives. this is particularly awful. she's lost a son and her son committed this awful massacre. >> right. >> what kind of advice can you give her from a spiritual sense? >> well, you let her know that god loves her that she's a victim also and she has the right to grieve. she's not at fault here. and i hope your viewers and listeners will understand that our children are adults and they're responsible to make prudent decisions and if they make poor choices, it's not the parents' fault. it's the child's fault. so her heart goes out to all of the victims and their families. but right now, she's a victim herself and she's grieving herself. isolated, suffers from insomnia and grieving. so all of us can just pray for her and pray for the victims that god will help them to come to a speedy recovery.