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Dateline-20191230-06:02:00

point-blank range. >> i was dumbfounded and shocked of what i saw. how to comprehend it? >> i said what, what are you talking about? what are you saying? >> the husband had an alibi. >> he could not haves done anything. >> 13 years, three trials, appeals and reversals and changing story. a big picture here, a lot of people are sentenced to the crime. it does not pass the sniff test. it has been a long pursuit of justice. >> it gets more and more wrong. >> i kind of adopted this saying that when you enter into the courtroom, lies become truth and the truth becomes lies. there is another side, another family. one that sees a terrible miscarriage of justice. >> i wonder if everybody got

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Dateline-20191230-07:13:00

>> i have no idea. >> reporter: boney admitted the sweatshirt had once been his, but said he'd dumped it in a salvation army dropbox about a month before the murders. >> it shows up at a crime scene. not laundered, not washed. if it would have went though the salvation army drop box that would have been a clean sweatshirt. your dna, chances are probably wouldn't have been on there, but it is. >> i see where you're coming from. >> reporter: as for david camm? >> do you know david camm? >> no. >> you ever met david camm? >> no. >> do you remember the murder of david camm's family? >> on television, yes. >> do you know where david camm lives? >> only on television. i don't even know what his address is. >> reporter: the interrogation went on for some 12 hours with boney sticking to his story. the detectives released him with a warning. >> make no mistake about it, if anything else links you to it, you're done, stick a fork in

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Dateline-20191230-07:33:00

>> reporter: after listening to boney testify, the defense was ready to pounce. >> that's his story. and it makes absolutely no sense. but it explains away all the evidence that they had against him, at the time. but what boney didn't account for was the dna that was gonna be found and he has no story for that. new dna evidence. >> he absolutely fought camm. he touched jill. >> did you do that?

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Dateline-20191230-07:15:00

you're going to have to tell us what the hell happened there. this is it! >> this can't be happening. >> charles! >> reporter: after hours of denial, boney changed his story. yes, he did know david camm. they met playing pick up basketball. then in another round of questioning, the story changed, and changed again. finally, boney put himself at the crime scene. >> the reason why i was there was to bring him the gun. >> that night? >> that night. >> reporter: boney said david camm asked him to get an untraceable gun. he said that he was a guy caught in the wrong place at the wrong time. >> as events started to unfold in the investigation, it became apparent that this case was intertwined between two people. >> reporter: now the prosecutor had a new theory. david camm did not act alone. he had a co-conspirator.re each charged with the three killings. david was outraged.

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Dateline-20191230-06:55:00

calls. >> even more important, david had a solid iowa. >> 11 eye witnesses. the basketball club. to corroborate his story. >> did he leave the court that night? >> no. >> he could not elect with one of you guys? >> because i would see him at one point in time and -- and in different directions as a group. >> i think someone would have notice that he was missing. >> it is impossible that dave could have slept away. >> is it possible of all he snuck out and killed his family and he snuck back down without any one of us knowing it. >> absolutely. that's impossible. >> if david was not the killer

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Dateline-20191230-07:41:00

kim, that he touched jill. >> reporter: and the defense hoped its cross examination of boney would be still more proof. camm had to steel himself to watch boney on the stand. >> you're looking at him. >> right. there was no way for me to actually prepare myself for that. and it was a situation where i really had to think about what was at stake. and doing what was right in that moment. having to sit and there and look at this guy that i knew killed my family and not react. >> reporter: the defense said boney's story was absurd. for starters: why would an ex-cop ask an ex-con for a gun? >> the police officer doesn't think, "well, how can i trust this guy?" "he's a criminal." and the guy who just got out of prison doesn't smell a rat. he doesn't think, "maybe i'm being set up?" it makes absolutely no sense. >> reporter: the defense took on boney's story in cross examination.

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Dateline-20191230-07:42:00

we had some of the same questions when we spoke to him. >> how many versions did it take to get to the story you just told, charles? what, three, four, five times, maybe? >> yes. i finally realized that the more i keep lying, i'm just digging myself deeper and deeper." "i'm not gonna get out of it." "and when i did finally start tellin' the truths about things, i didn't feel comfortable revealing too much too soon because i didn't wanna be a part of the case to begin with. so once again i resorted to telling a lot of stories. >> the big picture here, charles, for a lotta people, is that is sounds like a crock. that a felon, just out of the slammer would hook up with a recently retired state police officer and do this gun exchange. it just doesn't seem to make sense. it doesn't pass the sniff test. >> there's a lotta things about this case that don't make sense. >> if i were you i would have alarms goin' off inside my head. here you are, on probation, how do you know that this former cop is really a former cop and he's not setting you with a sting? >> although that did cross my mind and i had concerns about it, there was somethin' about him.

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Dateline-20191230-07:17:00

why? those tiny specks of blood. they were on david's shirt, but not on boney's sweatshirt. >> his shirt does not have high velocity blood spatter on it. >> so, a former indiana state trooper is now gonna be a co-conspirator with a felon? >> yeah, makes sense? his story's the only thing you've got that link him to david camm. there's no phone records, no one's ever seen them together. there's no text messages, there's no smoke signals, there's nothing between david camm and charles boney. >> reporter: at david camm's second trial, boney was named as the other man at the scene, also charged with the triple murders. otherwise, the case against him was pretty much the same, absent the female witnesses the appeals court had thrown out. and this time the state focused on the allegation that david molested his 5- year old daughter as a motive for the murders. >> well, the motive was kimberly was leaving david camm and that she was leaving him because of, of the child molesting.

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The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell-20191226-03:19:00

>> his shirt does not have high velocity blood spatter on it. >> so, a former indiana state trooper is now gonna be a co-conspirator with a felon? >> yeah, makes sense? his story's the only thing you've got that link him to david camm. there's no phone records, no one's ever seen them together. there's no text messages, there's no smoke signals, there's nothing between david camm and charles boney. >> at david camm's second trial, boney was named as the other man at the scene, also charged with the triple murders. otherwise, the case against him was pretty much the same, absent the female witnesses the appeals court had thrown out. and this time the state focused on the allegation that david molested his 5-year-old daughter as a motive for the murders. >> well, the motive was kimberly was leaving david camm and that she was leaving him because of, of the child molesting. and uh he could not let her leave, he could not let that secret out, that was the secret in the camm household. >> the defense countered.

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The Last Word With Lawrence ODonnell-20191226-03:17:00

>> this can't be happening. >> charles! >> after hours of denial, boney changed his story. yes, he did know david camm. they met playing pick up basketball. then in another round of questioning, the story changed, and changed again. finally, boney put himself at the crime scene. >> the reason why i was there was to bring him the gun. >> that night? >> that night. >> boney said david camm asked him to get an untraceable gun. he said that he was a guy caught in the wrong place at the wrong time. >> as events started to unfold in the investigation, it became apparent that this case was intertwined between two people. >> now the prosecutor had a new theory. david camm did not act alone. he had a co-conspirator. the ex cop and the ex-con were each charged with the three killings. david was outraged. he believed he should have been set free. after all, charles boney's signature was all over the scene. >> he attacks women,

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