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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20130507:03:54:00

the internet sales tax bill passed in the senate today. reaction to the vote tells you a lot about the reality of washington lobbying. brian bieron of ebay. ebay worked hard to defeat this legislation. they even sent out e-mails to customers trying to rally customer base. big question for you is, look, everybody has got to pay sales tax when buying in a physical location. the technology exists. when i order something, they know they're shipping it to my address in new york, new york is a sales tax, shouldn't we just level the playing field and have everybody paying taxes? why have this imaginary distinction between, you know, the places that exist on the internet and the places that have to, you know, maintain a storefront? >> i totally agree, chris. we're against all imaginary distinctions. the ebay position on this is actually really clear.

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20130507:07:54:00

the internet sales tax bill passed in the senate today. reaction to the vote tells you a lot about the reality of washington lobbying. brian bieron of ebay. ebay worked hard to defeat this legislation. they even sent out e-mails to customers trying to rally customer base. big question for you is, look, everybody has got to pay sales tax when buying in a physical location. the technology exists. when i order something, they know they're shipping it to my address in new york, new york is a sales tax, shouldn't we just level the playing field and have everybody paying taxes? why have this imaginary distinction between, you know, the places that exist on the internet and the places that have to, you know, maintain a storefront? >> i totally agree, chris. we're against all imaginary distinctions. the ebay position on this is actually really clear. and that is that it is the problem with this bill is that it is unbalanced right now. it treats very, very small businesses the same way that we treat multibillion dollar retailers.

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20130507:07:48:00

>> could seriously harm america's small businesses. >> unleashes all the nation's tax collectors on small internet businesses. >> urge you to vote against this motion. ♪ >> now, if you haven't been paying attention to this battle, you may be a little confused and that would be fair because your usual rules of thumb likely will not apply. more than 20 republicans voted for the bill, which really makes you wonder, but on other hand, grover norquist hates it. so then is this in the final analysis actually good legislation? joining me now, ryan grim, washington bureau chief for the huffington post, rachelle bernstein from the national retail federation, acts as principle for tax policy matters, and brian bieron, senior director at ebay. i want to begin with you on the politics of this. how have we come to the moment when the senate votes overwhelmingly in a bipartisan fashion for a bill that will

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20130507:07:57:00

rachelle, is there evidence, empirical evidence that in the states without the sale taxes, oregon for example, that people are more inclined to buy at brick and mortar stores? do we have any evidence suggesting that's the case? >> no, i don't have any evidence of that case. and as a matter of fact, i have to say when we survey consumers to determine whether they would spend less on the internet, if sales taxes are imposed, in fact, they say that they would probably maybe about 10% of them say that they think that they might spend less, but most think they would continue the current spending habits because of the convenience of the internet. we're just trying to level the playing field. >> everyone wants to level the playing field. brian, here is my question for you. it is i think a little known fact to folks, i only just found out, that you're supposed to pay these taxes. you're supposed to file in your tax return everything you bought over the internet, you're supposed to record what you bought over the internet, sales

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20130507:07:59:00

york, one employer, has to pay sales tax. it is not like the policy is something we scale to the size of -- >> here is the difference is that the small proprietor in new york state is only able to -- by the state of new york. but that's not the case with this bill. >> right. >> that same small proprietor could be taken into court by 46 states. that is a nightmare for small business. and these $10 million or $5 million or $2 million businesses, they're like a month of sales in a big box. >> can i get a sense from you whether this will see a vote in the house? >> we'll see. it is going to -- it has become a bit of a conservative litmus test. so for the first time, one of these issues is actually become a bit partisan. it is getting referred to the judiciary committee. the chairman there said he's not sure about it. so we'll see where it goes. >> and norquist is rallying the army against it. ryan grim, rachelle bernstein and brian bieron of ebay, thank

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so that it is not a difficult burden for them to collect the tax, but not to -- not to treat one group of businesses better than another. >> brian, i'll get your response. rachelle, is there evidence, empirical evidence that in the states without the sale taxes, oregon for example, that people are more inclined to buy at brick and mortar stores? do we have any evidence suggesting that's the case? >> no, i don't have any evidence of that case. and as a matter of fact, i have to say when we survey consumers to determine whether they would spend less on the internet, if sales taxes are imposed, in fact, they say that they would probably maybe about 10% of them say that they think that they might spend less, but most think they would continue the current spending habits because of the convenience of the internet. we're just trying to level the playing field. >> everyone wants to level the playing field. brian, here is my question for you. it is i think a little known fact to folks, i only just found out, that you're supposed to pay these taxes. you're supposed to file in your tax return everything you bought over the internet, you're

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20130507:07:56:00

washington undertaking. what is your response to brian? >> well, here's my concern. the problem is that we have brick and mortar stores, small businesses, in every community. and those people have to collect taxes on the first dollar that they receive. and if there is a very large small business exemption for remote sellers that is also not permitted for brick and mortar sellers, then those small businesses are still at a competitive disadvantage. and they cannot compete with remote sellers that do not have to pay taxes. they have that problem now. and we want have fixed the problem if we don't address it. i think the way to address it for the remote sellers that brian is talking about that are small is through simplifications so that it is not a difficult burden for them to collect the tax, but not to -- not to treat one group of businesses better than another. >> brian, i'll get your response.

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - MSNBC - 20130507:03:48:00

>> i urge the senate not to move forward on the marketplace fairness act. >> sovereignty of our states is significantly eroded. >> could seriously harm america's small businesses. >> unleashes all the nation's tax collectors on small internet businesses. >> urge you to vote against this motion. ♪ >> now, if you haven't been paying attention to this battle, you may be a little confused and that would be fair because your usual rules of thumb likely will not apply. more than 20 republicans voted for the bill, which really makes you wonder, but on other hand, grover norquist hates it. so then is this in the final analysis actually good legislation? joining me now, ryan grim, washington bureau chief for the huffington post, rachelle bernstein from the national retail federation, acts as principal lobbyist for tax policy matters, and brian bieron, senior director at ebay. i want to begin with you on the politics of this. how have we come to the moment when the senate votes overwhelmingly in a bipartisan fashion for a bill that will mean more taxes are paid by

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