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we eliminated gender ideology. we have elevated the importance of american civics and teaching our kids about the constitution and the bill of rights. i am going to lead an effort to increase civic understanding and knowledge of our constitution. we cannot be graduating students that don't have any foundation and what it means to be an american. >> you have said that the department of education, the fbi, atf, the irs, the department of commerce, many of these should not exist. >> that is correct. >> how would you deal with the crisis? >> we have a crisis of achievement. let's shut down the head of the snake, the department of education. take that money and put it in the hands of the parents. allow them to choose where they

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i am the only candidate on the stage to say it. >> i don't know why you assume donald trump will be convicted of these crimes. that is the difference between you and me. i have given pardons when i was governor of the state of indiana. it usually follows a finding of guilt and contrition by the individual convicted. if i am president, i will give fair consideration, but if i m may, it is not about looking back at january 2021. it is about january 20th, 2017. i put my lef left hand on ronald reagan's bible and i took an oath to support and defend the constitution. it ended with a prayer, so help me god. it was a promise i made to the american people but i also made

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legal minds and america made a major waves, they announced it in the form of a blazing headline in the atlantic. the constitution prohibits trump from ever being president again, and quote. it's an argument that had been made by legal scholars before. the dual endorsement of the legendary constitutional law professor laurence tribe of high bird and the retired conservative judge michael luttig was game changing. they came on this show for us to explain the argument, which is actually quite simple. it says that section three of the 14th amendment of the constitution says that anyone who has taken an oath to uphold the constitution and then engaged in an insurrection cannot hold office again. plain and simple. donald trump had been incited an insurrection is now constitutionally ineligible to be president again. the question, though, as luttig, as judge luttig outlined for us last weekend, how you enforce it. >> anyone state or federal is

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charged with listing the candidates for the presidency is obligated under the constitution to make the decision himself or herself as to whether donald trump is qualified to be put on in the ballot under the constitution of the united states. this is a momentous significance. neither congress nor congress through impeachment nor a judicial order, nor the results of a criminal conviction are needed. >> okay, mike drop. no judicial order needed. no criminal conviction needed. no trial needed and no election needed.

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donald trump's in a legibility to hold office is, however, are only hypothetical unless and until, as luttig, said the officials who were on charge of voting begin taking action. that was last week. this, week the journalist attorney is trying to start a national movement to compel those officials to act. he wrote this week about he himself filing a complaint to disqualify donald trump on the ballot. he is urging others to do the same. joining me now is my old friend dean obeidallah. he's an attorney and a columnist for msnbc daily. he is the host of the dean obeidallah show on sirius xm radio. a longtime friend of the show. okay, let's get down to this thing. i've got the constitution. it does seem clear. it does seem very clear what they are saying. what lead and tribes were saying is that this is really up to you generally speaking, the secretaries of state. they are the ones who are going to get the filings when donald trump and 50 states filed to be the president of the united states. and normally, they say we are born. here am i satisfied you're born?

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here are you 35 years of age or greater and we are done. what these guys are saying, what you are saying, no, there is another matter to consider. have you been involved in instruction? >> absolutely, there are people who say, well, this is some parliamentary procedure. or can we really use this? i want to remind people, it's the constitution. it is the 14th amendment. you don't miss -- we can't dismiss the 14th amendment. this is part of the constitution. it says that if you've been involved an insurrection after pledging an oath or given aid and comfort to the insurrectionist, i think donald trump has done both, to be honest with. you, tamia key is the new mexico case. last year, the county head of cowboys for trump, the court had a, trial they heard testimony. what was an insurrection under the 14th amendment by the terms of the people who drafted a? the first determination, yes, the insurrection. the idea that people who are trying to prevent the execution of a federal law through violence or intimidation, they had that a second.

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agents. this is not about january 6th. it is about january 20th. i know what the democrats would like to be. they want to talk about these other issues but we have to focus on your future. i learned in the military, assigned with u.s. navy seals in a rack, you focus on the mis mission. republicans, we have to look forward and make sure we are bringing the message that can win in november. >> did not answer the question. >> -- to support and defend the constitution. the american people deserve to know whether everyone on the stage and agrees that i kept my oath to the constitution that day. there is no more important duty.

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14th amendment from being president again as a result of the insurrection. this could disqualify him under our rules and under the constitution. i am not going to support somebody who has been convicted of a serious felony or who has been disqualified under our constitution and that is consistent with rnc rules and i hope everyone would agree. >> we are going to -- >> can i answer the question? >> you have already been in on it, vice president pence. >> mike pence stood for the constitution and he deserves, not grudging credit. he deserves our thanks as americans for putting his oath of office and the constitution of the united states before

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what do you say about the states characters about five including new jersey, i think a few others. they allow abortion up until the time of birth. if you were president, would you be able to abide that? >> first of all, i am a pro-life governor of a pro-life state. this issue is of course is very important. i'm on the record and stand behind that we should not have a federal abortion ban. we should not. the reason why we shouldn't is simple. it's the 10th amendment in the constitution. the constitution which the states created the federal government. not the other way around. it says there were certain duties allowed to the federal government delegated to them by the states. the rest are left to the state's or more importantly to the people. we need to get back to freedom and liberty for the people in this country. we cannot have republicans who fight for 15 years for this great cause. the way we turn it back to the states.

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the next day they turn around and say the feds should do that. the feds are stepping into peoples lives and stepping into peoples businesses over and over. if we say the fed should be in this, where do we stop? we should follow the constitution. this return to the states is where it should be. >> but you signed a six week ban , governor burgum. you are saying federally it is all going to go to the states? >> yes. what is going to work in new york will never work in north dakota and vice versa. >> this is too important of and issue that i have to address. first of all, the supreme court gave it back to the elected representatives, whether it's the state's or whether it's the united states congress. there is authority. that is why president biden is pushing for a democrat proposal which is in essence abortion on demand through the term. so they have their extreme position at a national level. it is most likely going to be

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