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and if it's not their intent to defraud, if it's someone else's, the question eis whose was that and why have they not been charged so far. >> right, and to have the state prosecutors in michigan, the investigators, say we've got these 16 defendants but here's another 11 people who are unindicted co-conspirators, including the former president, including his top lawyer, including, i mean, they are painting a sprawling picture, but the charges haven't necessarily followed all of the allegations. at this point. that's, craig, part of the reason i wanted to talk to you. i was surprised by this revolution that you reported in court on friday that there does appear to be an ongoing federal investigation here. a federal investigation on top of what's going on with the state. do you have any sense from what's been disclosed in court what the contours might be in that federal investigation? >> well, the police captain who revealed this, and never the courtroom was surprised by this,
haro folded junior and greg gutfeld, it's 5:00 a new york city, this is 'the five'. [ ♪♪ ] it's monday and here we go again, hunter biden about to leave the court house in wilmington delaware, the jury selected an opening statement starred tamara as his comeaux gun trail kicks up in my country is charged with three felony counts related to lying on a gun form back in 2018, he could be facing up to 25 years in jail. hunter getting a show of public support of them as family, his stepmother first lady jill biden appear in court today, this weekend president biden was at his beach house spending part of the day biking with hunter, the new york times claims he is expected to speak daily with his son and today, president biden released a statement saying as a present i don't and won't comment on pending federal cases, but as a data have boundless love for my son, confidence in him and respect for his strength. it's not the first time that
indictment of 16 alleged fake electors for donald trump in michigan. it led more recently to testimony in a michigan state courtroom on friday, this past friday. as reported in the detroit news, that same officer who turned the fake electors away at the door to the state capitol, he testified in court on friday that he, quote, had been interviewed thursday by someone from the federal bureau of investigation and two u.s. prosecutors from washington, d.c. thursday, of course, was also the day a jury in new york found donald trump guilty in a hush money plot to save his campaign in 2016. we now know that same day federal investigators apparently were interviewing michigan law enforcement in a sign that there is an active federal investigation into the michigan fake electors scheme. as part of those same court hearings where this news came to light, we also learned that the state investigation in michigan might not have reached its conclusion yet either. state investigator telling the court that the michigan attorney general's office still has
minutes away from court at his home in wilmington. ease he released a statement that says in part, as the president, i don't and won't comment on pending federal cases, but as a dad, i hav pendr boundless love for my son, confidence in him and respect for his strengthidence. bee our family has been through a lot together and jill and i are going to continue to ba ie t there for hunter and our family with our love and support. teoujessee the case is expected to last about two weeks, give or take a few days, hav meaning we could have a verdict mid to late next week. venext weeback to you. >> all right. thank you so much. >> unlike the trump trial, prosecutors don' trialt have tok up a new legal theory for hunter. this is cut and dr fory. , when you buy a gun, you haveo to fill out a federal form and answer the questions a honestly. they ask you if you use drugs. hunter ask lied and said no.t th the day after hunter boughtwith the gun, he set up a meeting with a dealer, texting his girlfriend. this. i'm now off mdma behind
all right, that's going to do it for us tonight. it's been great to have you here. now it's time for the last word with the great lawrence o'donnell. good evening, lawrence. >> good evening, rachel. speaking of great. i am in no less awe of your greatness, but it
cannot be distracted by criminal trial until after his term. >> i mean, it is really incredible because people have talked about this case and that the strength of this particular case. here we are, and that it may not get a day in court, certainly before election day, maybe ever you have trump wins the election tie. you've predicted that you will dismiss both special counsel, jack smith's cases on day one. so to literally be among the first things that he does so when you just laid out what you laid out with georgia, right. >> so some might say, well, but georgia's a state case that can go ahead and your talking about how they probably will follow the federal precedent and not do that how how real is the chance that trump avoids any trials from this point on for trying to overturn the 2020 election i'm sorry, it's very real if you win the election it's not real at all. if he loses because if he loses the sledgehammers out there that are the jack smith trial on
case, that the case should be dismissed. i think that the likelihood is that the judge who's done an excellent job i think so far in this case, would let the appellate court rules before taking any action, even even if you did step down. but assuming even if you did step down at that he let it proceed, or the georgia court of appeals let it proceed because technically they have jurisdiction now, is this case is definitely not going to go to trial before the before the end of the year and quite likely will not. would i go to trial until sometime in late 20s, late 2025 or mid-2025 whether trump wins the election or not. if he does win there will be an effort to prevent the case. we're going to trial at all. and i think the likelihood is that even though there's no precedent for it that they would tend to follow the federal rule in court may impose a ruling following the federal rule that a president
the show is in the building and the former president gettining a standing ovation from the assembled masses. knoc democrats try to knock out corn. trump while more americans flock to his court. the he's a grown man.the sm >> he is the smartest man >> dow. this guy is the most generous, s honorable man that i know. hunde hunter biden's gun case kickd sf off. is >> is the fix in?e did you speak to the fbi, cia,eb dia concerning viral researchd? of any kind? i can't give you the specifics of i u t. fauci, koven and the cia. pl >> plus, do you trust the justice system? no, no, no. >> in his iconic speech, n the man in the arena, teddy roosevelt, said, quote,
mattresses made affordable violet birth. we have schreiber and good night on cnn there's another moment from capitol hill earlier today, we want to share with you this one would likely have you smiling and has gone viral on social media this afternoon. >> republican congressman when john rows of tennessee was giving a five-minute speech condemning the felony conviction of the former president when he has 6-year-old son sitting behind him, stolen spotlight. take a look regardless of one's opinion of the current republican nominee, we'd be well-served to remember the long and cherished tradition we have in this country of settling are political differences at the ballot box for nearly two-and-a-half