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we start with dan gross. his latest piece is titled obama brinksmanship puts gop in tough spot on debt ceiling. so dan, you write that while you fall off a cliff, you only bump your head in to a ceiling but economically the ceiling has the capacity to deliver far more damage. you are talking like my friend steve kornacki here. what is failing to raise the debt ceiling? why is that going to be catastrophic? well, you know, first of all the stock and bond markets will really go haywire in a way they didn t when we were about to go over the fiscal cliff because government bonds are held by everybody. chinese central bank, japanese central bank, every single bank financial institution out there. so if there s any question over the value of those and they start to decline, these institutions have a great amount of leverage and interconnected with everything else and sort of see what happened in 2008. it s also this issue of, you know, who gets paid? if you start to have to say maybe soldiers get paid but not paying for the fuel or these doctors will get paid, you know, government is a huge force in our economy. like it or not. and the number of companies that would really be affected from walmart to every defense contractor to giant health care companies, if their ability to collect money that is owed to them is then put in doubt, that triggers a whole, you know, range of activities of other people wanting to collect debts from them. sounds really scary. do me a favor, though, and crawl in to president obama s head for me and tell me why you think in 2006 he voted not to raise the debt ceiling and said the fact we re here today to debate raising the debt limit is a sign of leadership failure, the sign the u.s. government can t pay his own bills. what was he thinking there? voting against an increase of the debt kreeling is what you do in the opposition party. oh, okay. in congress. this is going back for the last many years. yeah. all the republicans in the senate voted for increases when bush was in office. they vote against it when obama is in office. and vice versa. the problem or challenges now is the house where republicans don t want to vote for it and we need them, you know, it is sort of a luxury you have when the opposition controls the house. you can vote against it and have
engaging in this behavior so bad for the country. there s, you know, a long piece in politico where they were talking about, you know, what boehner s doing and manages this, and there s a line there when someone said we may have to let them do a partial government shutdown just to let them get this out of their system before they go on to approve what needs to be done and i think, you know, the challenge of leadership is to tell the people who you are leading that what they want is not realistic or that it doesn t make sense. i think boehner s modus operandi is to do some sort of last-minute deal. i think that s part of the psychology here. that you let these people, you know, they don t want to approve a debt ceiling, didn t come here to approve it and before they ll do it, they have to do something that lets them get that energy out of their system. and unfortunately, that might be the best strategy that he actually has, but you know, overall in terms of the president s and democrats approach, i think the president did a wonderful job and the democrats got a good deal in the fiscal cliff deal and the president s negotiating strategy of not negotiating on the debt ceiling has really put republicans in the corner where they re sort of backing away and saying maybe we can go in another direction but one thing i m concerned about is when i look back at 2010 and the big losses that democrats sustained there, part of the reason was because we ceded the debate to the republicans and allowed them to frame the conversation around the debt and the deficit and if you look at gallup polling, you can see that the debt and the deficit and government dissatisfaction with government which is another strong place for republicans to fight on are rising, are increasing in importance for voters in terms of what they re concerned about so i m concerned and wonder if you think this is right, that democrats may be setting themselves up to be on weak terrain sort to speak in terms of 2014 congressional elections by allowing this debate to be focused on the debt and deficit. people never stop and always in campaign mode and i think with obama the issue is, he has a campaign and wants to get in governing mode and that s why you see the changing of the discussion of the framing and why i think they suffered the losses in 2010 when it wasn t just a matter of issues, they weren t getting their voters out to the polls and i think it s more we saw it last fall when there was a big debate between obama and romney and the sort of democratic and gop view of what we should do with the budget deficit and what we should do with taxes and talked about in great detail and relentlessly. although, if i could we saw how that turned out. that was more about the future of the middle class and traditionally a stronger place for democrats to be. this is still a question about priorities or at least if i m doing the messaging and strategy on this, do you want we have a limited number of resources. we have a fair amount of debt. assume we all want to reduce our deficits and reduce the amount of debt. do we want to do that by cutting social security and medicare and taking these entitlements and the safety net and fundamentally changing it or do we want more cash from individuals and from companies and whether you do that through higher rates or tax reform or getting rid of deductions, you know, that s a debate worth having and i think one that democrats can be in a pretty decent position to win if they talk about it in the right way. dan gross, thanks for coming. thank you. next, developing news this afternoon on the latest sandy aid bill before congress. a house vote is expected tonight but there s plenty of opposition and maybe for good reason. we re spinning as the cycle rolls on for tuesday, january 15th. hey sis, it s so great to see you. you, too! oh, cloudy glasses. you didn t have to come over! actually, honey, i think i did. oh? you did? whoa, ladies, easy. hi. cascade kitchen counselor. we can help avoid this with cascade complete pacs. see, over time, cascade complete pacs fight film buildup two times better than finish quantum. to help leave glasses sparkling shiny! too bad it doesn t work on windows. okay, i m outta here. cascade. the clear choice. some brokerage firms are. but way too many aren t. some of the ones that push mutual funds with their names on them aren t. why? because selling their funds makes them more money. which makes you wonder isn t that a conflict? am i in the best fund for me, or them? search proprietary mutual funds . yikes, it s best for them. then go to e-trade. we ve got over 8,000 mutual funds
just a job to provide for myself and his parents, but a career that he enjoyed and more importantly passionate about it even though he spent a lot of hours working, he was always love for his work. we spoke about the law and how he applied the law. he was objective in his determination of the law with courtesy, we areith respect and with the highest professionism. although he worked often, he always took time to spend with me his number one fan and his pamly and friends. he was always there when somebody needed something. when wenjian was not working, he cared a lot for the chinese community. he wanted to always do his best to help and support. the very community that he was part of wenjian s kind heart loved by his friend and colleagues and our extended family ha isthat is here today. the caring son, a loving husband and a loyal friend. you are an amazing man even though you left us early, but i believe that he will have his loving spirit to continue to look out for us. he will keep an eye over us. wenjian is my hero. we can always count on him. again, i thank you, my extended family my fam ily of blue for attending today s services, thank you. wen wenjian will always be in my hearts. i love you, i love you forever. [ applause ] ing breaking news, the ongoing funeral service for new york police detective wenjian liu and you heard the widow, and the two with were married for four month, and gave what is a remarkably brave eulogy about her slain hudzsband and talking about how she was his soulmate and best friend and only son of immigrant, and very, very dedicated to his parents and mot to mention the people of new york city whom he risked his life and then died trying to protect them. there are thousands of people crowding the streets outside the brooklyn funeral home where this service is under way, and the police officers are standing shoulder-to-shoulder and notably some officers did turn their officers as the new york mayor bill de blasio did deliver a eulogy. inside the drekirector fbi and the police commissioner and as i mentioned, officer liu s widow and his father. and his father did not speak in english, but you did not have to understand the language to feel his pain. it was really a heartbreaking, heartbreaking event. liu and his partner rafael ramos were gunned down december 27th when they were gunned down in their squad car, and we will be joined by miguel marquez who is outside of the funeral services. miguel can you tell us about the scene there among the thousands of men in blue who came all around the country to at tend this funeral. reporter: for the bulk of the entire ceremony there was a contingent of asian officers just outside of the church here, and we believe that the coffin of officer liu is coming out soon and nypd officer did come up and ask whether we will be broadcasting live or speaking at that time, and that is something that they want to keep very somber event here to honor this police officer as his casket moves towards its final resting place. with the are regard to the police officers turning their back here in front of the funeral home there were zero. no police officers who turned their back. just down from here, on the processional route where the casket will go there with were some police officers who did turn their backs according to our sara ganim who is down tlhere and other producers who saw them but much smaller number than last week, and the police commissioner asking by memo to the police force that it was not an appropriate thing to do. that it is a time for grieving and not grievance and that when they turned their back on the mayor during officer ramos funeral last week they did no valor to the officer s sacrifice and honor of his job in doing so. so he has asked them not to do it now. you can see now the police officers are lining up now. this is the ceremonial unit of the nypd lining up in order to receive the body the casket of officer liu. we expect to see that coming out of here shortly. it looks like they may be slightly ahead of schedule and though it is a little unclear that the family did arrive an hour before the ceremony began and several speakers to listen to his father speak, and i don t speak cantonese, but to listen to him speaking and trying to get through the words and emotion, and it was hard to watch that. this was meant to go for another hour and he may be coming out soon. the ceremony they had in there was a lot of individuals bringing food to the location of the casket and also burning pieces of paper or cardboard to symbolize things from the physical word the food and those symbol ss are things that officer liu in the buddhist tradition would take on to the next life. dana? miguel i agree with you to watch his father to lose any child is just defy sies the laws of nature, but to lose your only son as he did is just words just can t can express how much grief he must be feeling right now. thank you very much and stand by us miguel because we want to go to cnn correspondent sarah again mim who ganim who is outside of the funeral home. can you hear me? yes, it is dana bash sarah, and can you hear us? we are having trouble getting her ifp working, and we will go inside of the studio to tom fuentes, and you are a law enforcement analyst, but also a cop on the beat where you started outside of chicago for six years. and for those of us who have never served or had the honor of serving, talk about what is it like, and what has drawn thousands of people around the country including towns like chicago for this funeral? well to understand police officers it helps to have been one and having been in the life of a police officer. it is not a job but a way of life and not just for you, but the family. it is what has been carried through for the ramos and liu families they have to live with the life and the fear and the threat, and i know my mother who had passed away now, she had a husband and two sons who were police officers at the same time, and she had this worry every day. i cannot imagine. i cannot imagine. the koncontroversy about what these officers faced when it came to racial protests and some of the protests getting personal when it came to the police officers after the killings in ferguson missouri of black teenagers in new york city. as somebody who has bp on the street and been on the beat what strikes you when you see all of this? what strikes me is that the one message that people don t really realize and the one thing about being a police officer is that you realize in the entire criminal justice system, and in the entire medical system and the entire community leader ss, the police officer deals with the victim. the victims die in your arms and the victims die in the ambulance with you in the hospital or in the surgery at the hospital after they have been shot is or stabbed or involved in a terrible accident and it is the police and there is an image that the police have no empathy or sympathy for the members of the public and in the arereality, they have more. the hardened exterior to cope with that is the fact that the police see itt everyday. if the they have animosity, and the the guys carrying the guns in the community, and the gang-bangers gunning down other members, it is because they are seeing the the people shot by the gangs, and the people victimized by the crime. absolutely. so i want to turn back to the scene so that the viewers know what we are look ging at, the funeral just concluded, and we are watching the sea of blue police officers from all over there, and you will see the color guard getting ready, and looks like we are waiting for the casket to come out to take wen wenjian liu to his final resting place. miguel marquez is there. these funerals are so tough to watch and to see this brotherhood and sisterhood to come together. if you can pan over here, ricky, this is the ceremonial unit inside of the funeral home. they are now lining up outside of the funeral home and the co color guard with the u.s. flag the new york citying in ing inand the nypd flag are going to line up in front of the hearse that will take detective liu to his final resting place. the level of mourning and the sense of the sol lumemn nature of what is happening here is unmistakable. what we saw here today is a service that we are not accustomed to and to hear his father speak in cantonese, and even though none of us spoke cantonese, it was very clear and the love of his son was very clear. they did some translation afterwards to talk about how his son would heldp him come work in the garment district after his school work and he would call him and very conscientious and good son. the mayor talked about detective liu s love of fishing. and his cousin spoke about, and we all called him wenjian liu, but his family called him joe. it is how they have become an american family in their own way, and now with the ceremonial unit out of the the funeral home it seems that they are now waiting for the mayor of the other dignitaries and the other director to come out, and then we believe we will see the casket of wenji aan liu come out of the funeral home to make its way. and what miguel is talking about is so true in that what you heard in the eulogies and throughout the service is that people were humanizing him, and he was not a number or a cop on the beat that was killed, but a human being with a family who loved him so much but another thing is what truely american story this is. and so classic new york. and so specific new york you have the son of immigrants coming in and really wanting to be a good american as they called him joe, and looking at the line of work that he chose. and for many of the immigrant families especially when a son or daughter says that i want to be a police officer, the families coming in from other countries, they say, you can t be a police aufofficer in the united states, and this is the wild west and the rest of america looks at us with our 300 million gun s ins in a population of 320 million looks at us as violence and out of control and the violence on the streets and the wild west atmosphere and so in some ways when they hear that their family members want to be a police officer, they rare terrified, and that is probably why he had to call his dad after every shift to say he is still alive he made him. and i would want my son to call me after his shift everyday too, so i understand. and we have a sea of oblue and police men from all over the country to attend the funeral, and sara can you tell us what you are seeing? yes, dana this is the procession route, and i have stepped away from the route to be respectful not to disrupt the officers who are lined up to watch the ceremony, but they have lined up here and listened to every single speaker, and tens of thousands is of officers are here to pay their respects. it is not the brightest or the warmest or the driest of days here in brooklyn but they did not come out in any less numbers as they did last week for officer ramos funeral. you heard are from wenjian liu s father who spoke in mandarin and he said that he was so proud of his son to be a member of the nypd and to help the immigrant community when he was not working. and we heard a couple of notable things prfrom the fbi director james comey and new york mayor bill de blasio and we wondered if there would be an honor of the commissioner to not turn their back on the mayor as he spoke, and we did see some officers turn around and not a majority and not even half of the officers where we were standing, but some. and more than the nypd and some officers who were from out of town who also turned around for the speech. this tepgs between the nypd and the mayor have been growing since the protest in new york, but many of the officers i have spoken to here from nypd and out of town say they don t believe that the funeral for a fallen officer is a place for that. and to give you the idea of how many officers are here this is a sea of blue for nearly a mile and this is how long the route is for those who want to pay their respects. jetblue flew in more than 1,100 officers from all over the country for free. i have seen badges and vehicles from cincinnati and virginia and connecticut and california and it is a long way to come. i have talked to three officers who came from outside of new orleans and they said it was incredibly important for them to be here for this, and not to show support for the fallen officer, but also because they feel that they do still get the re respect and earn the respect of the majority of the nation, and they wanted to show that to the world by coming here to this funeral, and just another note dana about security here because it is not just police officers, but it is a lot of the communities here in the streets, and we are seeing the patrols on the roofs, and canine units and helicopters and many of the units are blocked off on the procession route where the casket is going to be driven down to the cemetery. it is not the only roadblocked off here. they are making sure that it is a safe place for them to hold this ceremony and to hold a proper funeral for one of their fallen. dana. thank you and great the information and color there. i should mention that as you were speaking sara we saw some of the congressional delegation exiting the funeral home there. is another one, peter king, the republican from new york coming out, and some other well known republicans, charlie rangel and congressman joe crowley who was on the show earlier today whose father and grandfather who were both new york city police officers and so we are watching the dignitaries come out, and that probably means not too far behind will be the casket of the slain officer, and while we are watching that i want to turn back to tom fuentes. and you heard sara talking about despite the commissioner bill bratton asking the rank and file not the turn their backs, some did. she reported very important to note that it was not the number that it was at rafael ramos funeral, but it happen ded nonetheless from a treatise from their leader because it detracts from the respects of their fallen comrade. and tom, what do you make of that as a former officer? i think they should not have done it in my opinion, it is not the time or place as mentioned by commissioner bratton. and i thought that commissioner bratton s request to not do it and he said that he would not discipline any officers and no repercussions that way, and he requested it as a fellow officer, and he was a fellow officer in the 1970s when we were pigs and spit on and he thought that police officers out there out of respect for him, and despite the feelings for the mayor which are neg thetive and deep, but out of respect for him, they might honor that respect. and let me play the devil s advocate they defect the freedom of speech everyday and why shouldn t they have their freedom of speech? why shouldn t they display their ainge anger if they are angry? they should, but by doing it today, they are talking about that instead of the great life of officer ramos, and their parents, and the other great officers in the world, and talk act this issue and that is the reason enough not to do it. i get that. and the big picture, and the years you were a cop? yes, in illinois, and 1970 to 1973 when i became a member of the fbi. and racial issues have changed since then, and society has changed since then but is this something that the police force focus odd n? absolutely. the idea that when people say we need community policing. they have had community policing. my father was a police officer and it was a kid going with him to community events and chaperoning field trips and dances and all of that and i was 1 years old when he was a police officer, and the idea that the police need to get into the community and work them, and when you talk about what officer liu and ramos did in their communities tashgs i are a part of that as well as thousands of nypd officers engaged everyday in their community and in the neighborhoods talking to the people trying to help in the policing that they are doing. i the think that is part of what the police are upset about with the public rhetoric that they have not done community policing or they need training because they don t know how to talk to people. police aufofficers have a phd in street psychology and if they don t talk to somebody properly it is because they don t want to and not because they don t know how. it is not because they need to take classes on wrestling, because the modern police officer has to be a wrestler and telling somebody they are under arrest and the person won t comply that is not going to cut it. and the rhetoric about policing needs to be that we need to have a discussion and not accusations back and forth by sound bite. and on that note, we need to return to the solemnity of this moment and hopefully we can see another picture of the sea of blue because it is powerful and poignant. and there it is. and before we go to t rehe reporters in the sea, tom, as a former police officer, yourself and what goes through your mind as you see that e remarkable scene. the brother 450d and the sisterhood of law enforcement, and why it is close, and why the remind minder of it. 115 police officers have died in the line of duty this year, and it is because of the recent amount of public discussion that has been so negative about policingch that is actually contributing to the police officers wanting to travel from california and canada and new orleans to come to be a part of this because they realize that they need to show the solidarity of being in the profession and calling together. well, it is looking like solidarity and achieving that by looking at the pictures. miguel marquez, i want to bring you back in, and listening to tom fuentes and being a police officer, and looking at the police officers from all over the country, and i would believe that is the sentiment that you are seeing there on the ground? yes, it sis, and i can see a half mile down and you can see a fine line of blue all of the way down. they have created just enough space in the very wide street so that the funeral cortege can make its way down that way. the mayor is speakingt that funeral in a personal way about detective liu. also this attack on both detective liu and ramos was not just an attack on two individuals, but it was an attack on the city of new york. the police work the police department being the bedrock of civil society, and the necessity to honor police officers and to have a good relationship between the political set and the police set. so my sense is that the rancor that we have seen in the recent weeks, and the anger in recent weeks h will find ss will find a newer and bet better level, and we have seen in the last half hour not only dignities, but police officer s to come out of the funeral home, and we expect to see the casket of detective liu to emerge shortly for the final ride to its final resting place. and miguel, you have sort of been experiencing the whiplash of emotions there in new york city and now more the past couple of weeks, because of the assassination of these two police officers but then just prior to that the anger at the justice system and in many ways, the cops that we have heard, but the justice system because eric garner who was now everybody knows was killed during an arrest after he was trying to illegally sell cigarettes and the uproar about no indictments about that. that is the ancillary and i have logged many miles as they have angrily taken over to the streets here and that is where a lot of the rancor between the mayor and the nypd comes from. there were beat cops walking alongside the protesters and stopping the traffic to make sure they could be safe and making sure adds they were taking over the streets and the city were safe. governor cuomo said it in his remarks last week probably best there is no better sign of what a great police department that we have that they were at the butt end of the anger of the protesters, and yet, they were protecting their fest first amendment rights while they were taking their abuse at the same time. so that s the sort of stuff that we saw for many, many miles through the streets of new york, and i am sure that those beat officers told their buddies by text and social media and everything else you should hear what they are calling us and hear what they are saying. there is already upset with the mayor before these two officers deaths, but afterward ss, it took it to another level. and i want to tell you that the towers to tunnels program that offered to pay off the home loans for them and they needed $800,000 and they have $700,000 and so they can almost pay off their home loan ss. and hundreds of thousands of dollars have been raised for these two individuals. for people who felt they were left out in the cold, and bereft and not loved in the city, and last week s funeral, and this week s funeral is showing a different picture. thank you, miguel for the insights and as you were speaking former mayor rudy giuliani is there to pay his respects as well. i want to go back to sara ganim who is there in the crowd, and by way of the context and the background, we have been talking about the new york mayor bill de blasio and the anger that he has apparently incited among these many of the cops the reason most recently is the reason that he taught his biracial son how to handle whether when he is approached by a police officer, because he would be approached differently, because of the color of his skin. and sara, that is what sparked the people turning their backs on him when he spoke last week and to a much lesser extent just this morning. reporter: that is right, dana and some say it goes back to his opposition of stop and frisk when he was running for mayor. and being here, and not just here for the wake yesterday and the funeral today, but going back a few weeks to the very public memorial site in brooklyn sorry, sara, i am sorry to interrupt, but i want to tell you that the family and the widow and the father of wenjian liu just exited the funeral home. keep going, i apologize. no, that is okay, dana. the days after were emotions very raw where the members of the community where where the members of the community had marched in the community had marched in the protests and they said this is not the time to criticize the mayor. there was a scene from the memorial and i witnessed it and it was so incredibly powerful where a woman came with a sign for officer ramos young son who said that your father had nothing wrong and she was having a hard time to tape it to the brick wall and officer came up to put it up on the wall and they put it up together and it was representative at the mood of the memorial, because it was interesting at the same time that some of of the police unions were criticizing the mayor, and now a few weeks remove d removed from here at the funeral here at the wake, and i heard many officers some of them former nypd who work in other departments in other states who had come back for this say, look, it is a political issue, and also a very personal issue for many of the officers but this funeral is not the place for that. and that comes from this feeling that last week at officer ramos funeral, the pictures, the the photographs of the nypd turning their backs on the mayor, those were incredibly powerful pictures, and they changed the narrative of that day away from the funeral, and away from the celebration of his life and towards a more political issue, and people did not want to see that happen again today. and sara i have been in those situation, and it is physically difficult to move around but have you talked to any of the officers who defied commissioner bratton and turned their backs nonetheless? well shgs, i have not, but dana, from where i am, it was not a whole lot of them around certainly mot the numb lyly not the numbers that we saw last week and in the crowd of about 450 where i can see and count from where i am standing maybe 50, or maybe even less, and then some of them were not nypd at all, and they were officers from other jurisdictions who wanted to make the point that they stand alongside the nypd on this issue, but it wasn t a majority and it was not half. it was a few. and their commissioner william bratton, when he made this plea for them not to do this today, he said look it is not a mandate and i won t discipline anybody over it, but i am asking that this day not become about this conversation that we are having right now, that it become that the narrative stay with officer liu and his family and the nypd and like i mentioned before when i talked to officers who came in from out of town i did get the feeling that one of the reason ss that they wanted to come was because they wanted to show that solidarity and they wanted to show that they do feel the support of the nation and while this is a personal issue, a lot of them felt that it was an issue for today. thank you, and that is the case for today. for the viewers who are tuning in we are looking at a cold and rainy day in new york city, but one that is not deterring the thousands is of police officers and dignitaries who have come from around the kuncountry to pay their respects to officer wenjian liu who lost his life and killed on desemcember 20th along with his partner rafael ramos. there was an incredibly moving funeral service that included speeches not just from the dignitaries such as the mayor as we have been discussing or the police commissioner, but hi father who spoke cantonese, and did not speak english, but you did not need to speak that language that to understand the sorrow and the pain of losing his not only son, but his only son and his only child, and then from his widow who he was married to for two months who called him her best friend her soulmate and somebody who really gave his all for not just her and his family but for the city of new york. i want to bring back tom fuentes, and as we look, we are as i mentioned, we heard the ceremony and seeing everybody leave. what we are waiting for right now is for the casket of wenjian liu to exit the funeral home and make its way down to what the reporters on the scene have been describing over a mile of people just lined up on the procession route. what are your thoughts as we areing at this now? just how moving and solemn and the emotions of the officers are of everyone who is attending this. and you know if any good came from the last two weeks of the funeral s funerals, it is that when you have got to know officer ramos and the family better and officer liu and the family better you realize that they are not just people but great human beings and great people and the things they stood for, they are the best that our society has, and they are police officers. it makes me proud to have been a police officer and fbi agent and 36 years sworn in both positions, and makes me proud that i was one of them. tom i have seen you on our air talking about a lot of really, really horrible things unfortunately over the last couple of years, but this is personal for you, i can tell. this is so thank you, for doing this and you are bringing a sense of what it is like for those of us who again didn t have the honor to serve can understand. i want to go totoer errol louis and tom verni, and what are your thoughts? well listening to e dedetek detective liu s family and his wife speak, and like you said you don t have to speak the language to know the raw emotion they are channeling. it is unbelievable tragedy that many of us can t wrap our heads around what took place a couple of weeks ago. i know that as seen earlier on cnn there were a number of nypd officers that did turn their backs when the mayor was speaking, and then when the police commissioner came up to speak they turned back around, so it is important to note that the officers out of respect for commissioner bratton did turn around and for the entire funeral were faced forward. the only time that some of them did turn around is when the mayor was speaking. what do you make of that? well, you have to remember that the police are not allowed to strike here in new york. there is a law that prevents them from striking. they are working pour or five years without a contract, and aside from the political rhetoric that mayor de blasio has come out not only as mayor, but as a candidate when he was running for mayor, and also his comments after the no true bill in staten island for the eric garner incident he has come out in a very anti-nypd specifically set of rethetoric. and the officers, you can t not take that lightly, because this is somebody that you are working for, and aside from the fact ta they are working for years without a contract which in and upon itself is ridiculous, this is the only way that they have a chance as a group to have a silent protest to show their discomfort with the mayor and disagree with him. they are basically giving him a no confidence vote is what it is coming down to. they don t have any confidence in the mayor to prept them in a favorable light to represent them in a favorable light, and it is not just based on the perception but on the mayor s actions in the last year or two. ander roll and errol, you have covered the police department for many years, and new york city and does this strike you as more raw and intense than in the past? well, it is unusual, and not more raw. anybody who was around in 1992 when 10,000 cops essentially rioted on the steps of city hall sort of stormed the building and caricatures and that was a time of very high crime. crime is at a historic lows and as tom points out, there are underlying workplace issues that need to be resolved and not by bill de blasio s making and he has been there for one year and five-year no contract is something that he inherited and trying to e negotiate, and for this department to be as upset as they are speaks to the difficulty of changing the culture of the very large, very respected and very proud organization and there is no question that the change is endorsed by the citizens of new york. they voted in bill de blasio for a reason. this is not some side plank or side print in his agenda, because it is central for what he ran on, and he won in overwhelming votes to make change. and speaking of mayor de blasio blasio he did speak in the funeral in the last hour. i want to play a little bit of what he said. let s listen. detective wenjian liu was a brave man. he walked a path of courage. a path of sacrifice and a path of kindness. this is who he was. and he was taken from us much too soon. i want to go back to you, tom. as a former member of the nypd and as a detective, when you hear the mayor say that does that make you feel more feel better a about the mayor and the tension that we have seen thus far that he is trying hard obviously to mend the fences? well, it is something that i have not seen in quite a while. i honestly, you know, me, personally, and i think that i speak on behalf of a number of officers, and i can t speak on behalf of the entire department of course but i don t really put a lot of, you know credibility into the words that he came out with. i mean, he is really trying to back pedal as best he can. i think that he knows that on a lot of levels that he, you know spoke, i h think, out of turn and especially after the grand jury made their verdict out of staten island and you can t take back what you said and you can maybe offer the retraction and come back and say, listen maybe i spoke out of turn and maybe not saying that the entire nypd is a bunch of racist storm trooper, because that is what he was saying. what happened in staten island had nothing to do with the race, and it was an arrest of a career criminal who chose to resist arrest and the officers used physical force to arrest him, and unfortunately result ed ined in that man s death, and that is in part of itself a tragedy. you won t find any officers glad that person died but it is certainly not the result of the officers looking for, and quite frankly, the officers that day were enforcing quality of life law has the mayor and the city council are out there wanting them and demanding they enforce. turning away from the politics for a moment and back to the solemnity of the moment. what we are seeing now, and waiting for casket of wenjian liu to come out, and while we do, i want to come back to remarkable and the brave eulogy that his widow, and the two were married for two months gave during the funeral ceremony. listen to this. i thank you for sharing this moment with me. with us. with our family. to reflect the goodness of his soul. and the wonderful man that he is. many of you know as joe, especially at work. but to me he is my soulmate. tom, back to you in new york. you know, while you are on the beat, i m guessing as tom fuentes here in the d.c. studio said to me a short while ago, your family is on pins and needles everyday even though things like this don t happen very often, and you are always in the line of fire and it is your duty and what you do? yeah, i had a full head of hair when i started the police department and for those who have seen me it has taken its toll and i did 22 years in the nypd, and i was a beat cop, and community policing and so the concept of the communeity policing that some people have talked about and maybe trying to e restore here in new york i think it is a fantastic way of policing neighborhoods. it absolutely is. and when it is done correctly, and the nypd unfortunately have lost 7,000 or 8,000 police officers since the time of 9/11 and so the physical bodies that you need to conduct that, it is going to be taking some fancy footwork to reassignment personnel to do that the, but that would be a great way to do that to reconnect with the communities in the city. but either way, whether you are doing the community policing or the narcotics tails or chase canning after gangsters, any time you are walking around, you are a walking target. so until you finish the stint that you are slated to do whether it is 20 or 25 years in the police department and until you get out and retire do the families breathe a sigh of relief that you are finished and do your duty. i can imagine. miguel marquez, back to you at the scene. we are looking at the two flags from the color guard, and the ceremonial and now they are going up so perhaps we are going to be seeing the the casket coming out soon. but miguel, it is cold can and rainy and still packed with people there. they are not going anywhere, and this is a solid blue mass that want toss to show the support. the rain has been going on, and it has stopped now shgs, and the trumpeters have come out so we expect taps will be played soon. there were a number of things that we learned in the service. the the mayor gave two examples. clear ly clearly he spent a lot of time with the liu family in the last couple of weeks. clearly a man who loved to fish and when he got a big fish he loved to share it with with the family. and two was the call he went on and there was a call of a man who had fallen and he spoke chinese and when they needed help he would be called in and the man was on the floor and he didn t want to get up or move and liu spent hours with this man and turned out that it was a guy who was elderly and just wanted some company, and liu was more than happy to play along and help this guy up, and those tiny things. and this is a guy who studied accounting but he wanted to become a cop. and he did. bill brotton, the police commissioner spoke about being a cop. he came to the profession late, but the pool was just as strong as someone like brill bratton who joined very, very young. perhaps the most telling sign of this family and the remarkable life was his cousin who said that we didn t call him wenjian but we called him joe. this is a family that arrived here 20 years ago from china and has become fully american family as we wait for the only son of this family wenjian liu to make his way out of the funeral home here in brooklyn. dana. absolutely heartbreaking to watch and think about. and while we are weight, werare waiting, we want to go to another portion of the funeral home and hear from the new york police commissioner bill bratton and hear what he had to say. officer liu believed in the possibility of making a safer world. all cops do. it is why we do what we do. and it is why we run towards danger when others run away. we believe in the possibility of keeping disorder controlled. we believe in the possibility of a city free from fear. pretty emotional from him, and at times in watching his speech even somebody who has seen a lot in his many decades on the police forces across the country look like it was hard for him to sort of keep it together understandably given the gravity of the moment and the speech that he had to give for the loss of his rank and file. we are looking at the color guard and the ceremonial moment when wenjian liu s casket comes out of the funeral home to begin a procession in what the re reporters on the scene there have described as remarkable a mile long the sea of people and not just police officers around the country, but the everyday average new york citizens out there, and sara is out there with the people. sa sara, as they are ready for the moment for the processional and what are you hear prg the people hearing from the people on the street there? reporter: dana i am here with a group of toronto officers who have collected badges from a group of the people here who have handed them out the the members of the community and not souvenirs, but handing them out as a remembrance of the day, a it was a really good moment. it was a great moment to see the officers first of all from so far away and not even part of this country and the united states interacting with the members of the community who came here from far away places who are here to just pay their respects and as they wait along the procession line, they are exchange, and the worlds are colliding. it was a sweet moment. mostly you know officers are standing out here. and it is driz canzling on and off, and they are waiting along a packed processional line, and they are waiting to pay their respects. off officers are here from all across the country, and more than 1,100 came in on jetblue for free, but i would venture to say that i would take the guess to say that there are more than 1,100 officers here from out of town. i have seen so many with my own eyes from departments across the country, and not just the officers are here dana and something that i have noticed is that i have seen patrol cars from as far away as ohio. i saw a group of sheriff s deputies on motorcycle who clearly came here from cincinnati out of state, and that is showing that they drove all of this way on the motorcycles to be here today. i have seen the patrol cars from other states as well not as far away as ohio, but there were a group of motorcycle officers from new jersey today traveling in a group. so we have seen a lot of nuggets that sew that this is really a community event, and when i say community i mean not just new york but community of support and community of within new york as well but a lot of moments today that are indicative of why people want to be here. the events in new york in the last couple of weeks, that is part of it. there is a feeling that they need to come here to show support because of the recent events here. that is clear to me. a couple of the officers here who talked to me from out of state and had been members of the nypd prior to leaving the state told me that they wanted to make it clear that nypd is very diverse, and very diverse and large department. they didn t buy into this idea that there is you know widespread racism. they wanted to come to show and stand alongside their follow officers officers, and show their support because of that reason, and i have to say it is something that is very clear as we stand outside here today. dana, finally, i want to say that it does appear that things are going to be moving along here shortly. as you look down the sea of blue i want to make it clear that this is a very, very long procession line because there is nearly a mile worth of police officers standing here filling up more than half of the street so that they can be here and witness officer wenjian liu s final drive to the final resting place. they are waiting here to pay their final respect ss. dana? and is sara talked about the solidarity as they say, and they all bleed blue. that is very clear in watching these pictures and these images. solidarity is not just about the local police from new york and around the country, but the federal law enforcement. james coalmymey is the drekirector of the fbi, and he spoke. i was not lucky enough to know detective liu. but i have listened to other people talk about how deeply he cared about being a police officer. and former fbi officer, tom fuentes, why so important for the director of the fbi to be there to speak? well to let people know that it is an international issue, and he represents the federal law enforcement, and it is more than the thin blue line, because all of the international partners stand together the as well. the fbi is a conduit the rest of the world through the legal at ta attache program, and they can get assistance from each other, and it is a worldwide fraternity and not just within the ud or within the united states or new york. and errol louis, as you look at the pictures the perception of outside of new york city is a rough and tumble place, but when push comes to shove, the new yorkers get together and they hold hands and really there for each other. i noeknow a lot of the people that we are seeing in these pictures are cops from out of the city but errol, as somebody who has covered new york city, and been a resident of new york city for a long time i m guessing that is probably not a surprise to you? oh no not at all. the thin blue line is pretty thick and long as you can see. i mean, i should mention that my dad is a retired nypd inspector, and my older sister is a retired detective. there are lots and lots of people who have lots and lots of close relationships to the cops. new yorkers are extremely proud of the nypd and it is an important institution in the town. one thing that is important, dana, the protesters who were doing a lot of the black lives matter one of the slogans and organizing all over the country, and they inspired sort of a not quite backlash but a parallel movement, and there were lots of people who have been out there doing their own marches in surprising number of jurisdictions all over to the country, and from massachusetts to utah, to seattle and everywhere in bewean, these sort of spontaneous citizen rallies in sup role for policing. and one of the central democratic institutions in our country. and as you said your father was or is on the police force, and what is your opinion in regard to the national racial tensions? well, i called up my dad, and i call him up anyway but i asked him about some of the events and what he thought, and he said that he was surprised that the cops had turned the backs and so forth and he read that as them being ma nup lated by the union relationship in a way that would not have happened in the day. it is fine to be angry with the political leadership and fine to do something about it but you don t do it when you are in uniform, and not because it is the thing to do. these things tend to work themselves out, and his perspective which is valuable is that it ebbs and flows, and the cops get upset about one thing or another, and whether it is creation of the civilian complaint review board which is a hot button issue a generation ago or appointment of the new inspector general which is a recent fight and court fight or the stop and frisk, and now body cameras and other procedural questions, and it is something that plays out in the public, but it is not supposed to divide the city. as i mentioned here in new york and you have it right up there on the screen there is not so fundamental of a breach that the whole town is going to fall apart. it is the kind of dispute that comes up every so often do we need to tweak it a little bit. my friend tom mentioned eric garner as a career criminal and they would say, he is a guy selling loose cigarettes and trying to scratch outt a living on the wrong side of the law, but you give that guy a ticket a warning. you don t swarm him with six cops and end up killing him, and these are the indkind of fine-tuning questions that need to go on at the the community level. that is where this gets solved andt not so much the politicians. no question, err oshgtsol and as with we await the casket coming out of the funeral home, i want to get back to the human element here as we are seeing a young man slain in the line of duty. and i want to go to what his cousin officer liu s cousin said about him speaking at his funeral earlier today. he was the most caring and thoughtful cousin that anyone could have. he would go out of his way to make sure that we were always happy and taken care of. he brought pride and honor to our family. he was a role model for many. myself included. and will continue to be. oh. that is just incredible and poignant. miguel marquez is standing outside of the funeral home and he watched the entire funeral, and you are watching the the scene right now, deskribcribe it. oh, it is always tough to take take, the drum corps has just come up from a side street. they have specialized vehicle that they have filled with the flowers from inside of the funeral home with a badge of the city of new york police department and the drum corps may be the most chilling of everything that will happen today as they march down the street, and the steady beat and the steady dirge as they pass the line of blue. several members from inside of the funeral home have come out, and we expect that things have expected to get going here fair fairly soon. it is very, very difficult to watch. impressive in the mile or so that i can see, all blue.
greatest represented democracy in human history and that s us and happy halloween. and that s hardball for now. all in with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on all in why in the world the fbi would decide to jump into an election with no evidence of any wrongdoing with just days to go. fbi director james comey under fire. ten days to go? i think it s disgraceful. criticism coming from across the political spectrum. i think this is probably not the right thing for comey to do. but is the fbi decision actually impacting voters? we ll breakdown the state of the race with over 23 million votes already cast. jew usa!rom lock her up to jew sa! if in a donald trump close to the election. a second source later confirmed that same story to the huffington post. now, this all comes as comey faces growing backlash for his decision three days ago to announce the bureau had discovered a new trove of e-mails belonging to top clinton aide huma abedin discovered during an investigation of abedin s estranged husband, anthony weiner, for allegedly sending elicit texting to an underage girl. we still have no idea what s in those new e-mails and we have no idea if they have anything to do with the original investigation of potential classified information on hillary clinton s private e-mail server. the fbi has now began to review abedin s e-mails but it remains unclear if they are finished before election day. what we do know about the e-mails and the decisions to make them public 11 days before the election has come largely by leaked to the press. comey explains his thinking and acknowledges potential consequences. given that we do not know the significance of this newly discovered collection of e-mails, i don t want to create a misleading but i wanted you to hear directly from me about it. anonymous sources said he had two main reasons, a sense of obligation to lawmakers and testified this summer and concern that word of the new discovery would be leaked to the media and be reported as a cover-up. the clinton probe has been the subject of an internal feud at the fbi. some investigators pushing for a more aggressive approach. it s been widely reported that in disclosing the new e-mails, comey acted against the guidance of his boss, loretta lynch, and against department policy. earlier today, clinton addressed that issue in cleveland, ohio. i m sure a lot of you may be asking what this new e-mail story is about and why in the host janine piero. i think it s disgraceful. i m outraged because it s a violation of department justice policies and procedures, whatever. it was probably inconsistent with protocol so in that sense you have to question the decision. the protocols are put in place for a reason and ensures more consistent decision making and in that sense you have to question this decision. comey s actions violate not only long-standing justice department policy, the directive of a person that he works under, the attorney general. but even more important, the most fundamental rules of fairness and impartiality. even some of the gop s most famous flame throw ers have bee critical. joe walsh said, look, i think comey should have said prosecute her back in july but what he just did 11 days before the election is wrong and unfair to hillary. and then a member of the outspoken freedom caucus in the case of the a post-election leadership coup. i actually agree. i think this was probably not the right thing for comey to do, but this whole case i think they ve mishandled. i m joined by sheldon whitehouse. he s a former judiciary committee. basically, this would leak, so instead of the director of the fbi writing a letter, you would have reports popping up from unnamed official sources saying we found a bunch of e-mails and it looked like a cover-up so he had to do something. what do you think. if the fbi is not a safe place for classified information or confidential investigative information to go, that s a problem that he needs to address in a very, very serious way. there s a very important public right at stake behind all of this, which is that prosecutors and investigative agencies, like the fbi, get incredible power to look through our personal lives, to look through our papers, to look through our e-mails and they get that power at the price that they are not allowed to disclose it unless they are bringing charges. when i was the attorney general of my state with broad criminal jurisdiction, when i was the united states attorney, we had a very clear rule. any derogatory information that we developed in an investigation had to be listed in the charging document, in the indictment or in the criminal information or else we didn t talk about it. and if there were no charges, then we would never divulge derogatory investigative information, least of all opinion about the suspect who had never been charged. so director comey broke that rule right off the bat with his first press conference. the second bright red flag is that you don t engage with the legislature. he had no obligation to congress to clarify anything. once a prosecutor goes down the rat hole of trying to make sure that congress thinks that what he s doing is fair, there s no going back. and congress is perfectly able to manipulate that by denying its approval, by false criticism and so comey is caught in a terrible trap now of his own making and it s stunning to people who are prosecutors if someone has experienced and honorable as him would fall into this trap. it s fascinating to hear that from a member of the article 1 branch, u.s. senator, to say that this idea of sort of bending the congress or being worried that he was misleading the congress, you don t think that s a legitimate concern in this case? that s totally not a legitimate concern. of all of the people that investigators involved in a criminal investigation should be concerned about, they have no obligation to congress. look, they have an obligation to the integrity of their investigation. and the integrity of their investigation includes keeping information confidential and within the investigation until it s charged. you don t get to be a smearer at large with derogatory information and that s what that rule is designed to protect against and that s the trap that director comey fell into and it s astonishing. what s so insane to me and i ve got to give kudos to the team that reported this paul manafort inquiry, but it s the same problem there. this stuff should not be leaking. we re journalists. but from an ethical standpoint what was interesting, after the comey letter, you have three straight news days of articles with nothing but warring factions of the fbi leaking info without an investigation anonymously and prosecuting this in the court of the public opinion and shredding any presumption of innocence that might have existed. this is a terrible week for the fbi. i have never seen the agency with such indiscipline, with such disregard for these basic prosecutorial principles and ultimately when the dust settles, whether it s donald trump or hillary clinton, the institution that s going to suffer the most will be the federal bureau of investigation for having broken these very, very basic principles of fairness and of prosecutorial conduct. senator sheldon whitehouse, strong words. thank you for taking the time tonight. appreciate it. i m joined by jennifer granholm and richard painter, chief ethics white house lawyer under george w. bush. and mr. painter, let me start with you. i read your op-ed. it was somewhat surprising to me but there seems to be a collective gasp happening after what we ve seen played out in the last three or four days. well, absolutely. the fbi s job is to investigate, not to play politics and the fbi certainly doesn t have an obligation to report to congress but should not be reporting to congress. and the members of the house oversight committee have no business pressuring the fbi to deliver to them information on their political enemies. in this case, hillary clinton. now, in this situation, it appears that the fbi did not have any derogatory information about secretary clinton because they hadn t even gotten a warrant to look at the laptop. so they didn t even know what was in there and yet they are firing this letter up to the hill telling the members of congress that they have all these e-mails. that was inappropriate and, not only that, a violation of the hatch act. the only use of that letter only conceivable use is political. and that s exactly what was done with it and it went up on the internet and then they passed the torch to donald trump and this is a tragedy for the fbi. i am i want to ask you a question, jennifer, in a second. but let me just follow up on that. the hatch act is the federal statute that guides essentially that bars political activity while on the federal dollar. it creates bright lines between essentially civil service activity and political activity. it s a very important part of the civil service architecture of the country. you re accusing comey of violating that. that s a very serious thing to say. well, it s he did violate it. the members of congress, they are not subject to the hatch act. right. there s the president. but the president can t order the fbi or pressure the fbi to investigate his political enemies. neither can members of congress. and that s what s been going on here and we ve had it going on for a year and the fbi s conducted its investigation. they closed the investigation and, by the way, they did not reopen the investigation. i don t know where that came from. but once this letter was sent, it s been blown out of proportion in the media. it s being used for politics and the hatch act prohibits the use of official position to influence an election and i can t imagine a worst violation of the hatch act than the fbi getting involved in partisan politics in trying to influence elections. jennifer, the clinton campaign has been very aggressive on this. you know, they ve organized several phone calls, they ve been public in their frustration and condemnation of james comey. they ve accused him in the wake of the report of him keeping the fbi out of that letter about russia of a double standard, that he was careful about that, not here. is the clinton campaign taking a sledgehammer to an important american institution in precisely they ve attacked donald trump of doing? it s not just the clinton campaign doing it. you have 50 attorney generals who have signed a letter, bipartisan investigation officials, people who are not affiliated with either camp who have long spent their careers as professional investigators or prosecutors signing on saying this as mr. painter has said this is unprecedented. i do think, chris, the double standard issue is a really important one. tonight, you ve got this allegation, this acknowledgement that the fbi has opened an inquiry into paul manafort and his ties to russia and about a month ago there was another report by yahoo that the fbi and intelligence officials were investigating another official tied to the trump campaign named carter page and who was supposed to have ties to russia. those things are really explosive and if the fbi if comey came out and sent a letter to congress saying, yes, i m investigating the fbi for this, there should be there would be incredible outrage. but you don t hear any of that happening. let me stop you right there. the only way we have it is someone leaking it which is improper. that is definitely true. my point is, you don t have the director of the fbi coming out and confirming that. and he is the face of the fbi, which is why this is such a pickle and which is why only he, now that he s gone through this door, he needs to step through and tell us what he has. i know that it may be you know, we don t know how big the universe is, we don t know if it s just e-mails that huma sent saying print this or something like that, your car s outside. we have no idea what they are. but if it is an innocuous as i know the clinton campaign believes it to be, then he needs he has a duty to let the citizens know that there s nothing here, if he can. this entire episode is a reminder of what a thin line it is between the fbi independent and fbi rogue and for much of his life it was in the latter category. that s something to keep in mind. jennifer granholm, richard painter, thank you so much. you bet. still to come, the new unbelievable pro trump ad from white nationalists. that s after this break. you work at ge? yeah, i do. you guys are working on some pretty big stuff over there, right? like a new language for crazy-big, world-changing machines. well, not me specifically. i work on the industrial side. so i build the world-changing machines. i get it. you can t talk because it s super high-level. no, i actually do build the machines. blink if what you re doing involves 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[ crowd chanting jew sa ]. it will be a very, very high priority. that man has been identified as a 51-year-old and he says that s the way i say usa adding, i m around mexican people all the time. i speak spanish. that s just the way i say it. not making it up. seeing as he ended his rant by telling reporters, we re worried about the jews, okay? trump campaign manager kellyanne conway described his conduct as deplorable. we have seen a lot of anti-semites and racists and misogynists who support the trump candidacy. would you call that deplorable? it does not reflect our campaign or candidate. i have to push back on the adjectives that you ve described. these are usa-loving americans. absolutely. who want the country to be safe and prosperous again. the vast majority are not those who chant jew sa but william johnson leaves a quote, the white race is dying out and attacked evan mcmullin who is saying he s going to defeat trump. evan has two mommies. he s over 40 years old, not married and doesn t even have a girlfriend. i believe he s a closet homosexual. don t vote for evan mcmullin. vote for donald trump. in new mexico yesterday, trump falsely claimed hillary advocates, quote, open borders and certainly suggested she would allow 650 million people to, quote, pour in, more than twice the current population, in just one week. he also cited a baseless claim sayi saying immigrants will murder americans. they have warned that hillary s radical plan would result in the loss think of this of thousands of innocent american lives and an uncontrollable flood of illegal immigrants across the border taking jobs and crime would be rampant. joining me now is jason. i guess it s one of these things where you have this conversation, you point to all of these various people and say, look, it s really a thing that these people are supporting trump and the trump folks say and i understand why they do, you re painting with a broad brush and the overwhelming majority are not like that. people don t stand at the rally of a major party nominee chanting jew sa. right. right. donald trump was a racist and gets support by racists. this has not been a question for a long time. he started this campaign by saying there are rapist mexicans and good mexicans. and this is a problem. and it s not because we haven t had racist presidents before. we definitely have throughout american history. i would say that would be the norm, actually. exactly. he s not going to be the first. but he s mainstreamed it. even the turn alt-right. now we have hipster neo-nazis and that s considered fine and sexy. it s dangerous no matter if he loses next week. part of this i think is the atmosphere that is driven by the campaign, right? so there s not right. campaigns are not responsible for everything their supporters do. that s just a blanket, important rule. but they do not they have been slow to condemn certain things and here s wayne alan root at a trump rally talking about huma abedin and hillary clinton. take a listen. i have a name for the feature tv movie called driving miss hillary and the ending, if we all get our wish, is like thelma & louise. he s saying we all get our wish that these other two people will die. right. that is sort of par for the course rhetoric. yeah. and it s become normal. and i don t know, maybe that s his new trump tv show. i don t know. but what we ve seen here is that whether it s bill burr, a candidate in north carolina, donald trump, the idea of causing direct violence against your political opponent is a degradation of political discourse. the suggestion that i will jail my political opponent is a degradation of political discourse. the reason we have peaceful transfer of power, people don t worry if they lose they are going to end up in a ghoul la. it makes everyone much more concerned. i would not be surprised if we see violence after this election next week and that s not something anyone wants to see. i m praying that s not the case. richard burr in a neck-and-neck battle audio of him addressing it and i want to play that audio making a joke about hillary clinton in a gun magazine. take a listen. nothing made me feel any better than i walked into a gun shop i think yesterday in there was a copy of rifleman on the counter and it s got a picture of hillary clinton on the front of it. i was a little bit shocked at that. it doesn t have a bulls-eye on it. and he says, look, that was a joke and has since apologized. but there is you know, you cannot go to any event anymore where the range about the feeling of hillary clinton is either she should be in a jail or she should be dead. right. and here s what i see is ultimately the problem with this. kellyanne can say the trump campaign is trying to distance itself from it. this has been the problem in the republican party for years. this is what reince priebus tried to fix saying we need to open up the party but instead they have gone full and the long-term consequences of this, if you have sitting senators who can make jokes about killing someone who may become president, what that does is embolden less stable, less invested people in this country to attack, to shoot, to possibly try to capture a voting location and that s a problem. trump is responsible for it. let s all remember, it didn t start with trump. jesse helms joked about the president being assassinated if he came to north carolina back when bill clinton was president. thanks for joining me. thank you, chris. still ahead, the state of the race eight days out, coming up. and the seagulls they ll be smilin and the rocks on the san it s so peaceful up here. yeah. 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[whistle] [dance music playing] [record scratch] announcer: don t let salmonella get funky with your chicken. on average, one in 6 americans will get a foodborne illness this year. you can t see these microbes, but they might be there. so, learn the right temperature to cook each type of meat. keep your family safe at foodsafety.gov. legality of the actions of north carolina elected republican officials has once again been called into question, this time in a lawsuit alleging the state board of elections in three individual county election boards are purging voter roles in a manner disproportionately targeted against african-americans. naacp claims, canceling the voter registrations of thousands of north carolina voters has been targeted and the lawsuit offers details on the disproportionate impact on black voters. for example, in beaufort county, black voters make up 65% of the challenges even though the county is 26% african-american. there s an emergency hearing on that lawsuit on wednesday in u.s. district court in winston, salem. all of this may sound very familiar. it was this past july that a federal appeals court struck down a north carolina voter i.d. law saying its provisions deliberately targeted african-americans with almost surgical precision in an effort to depress and suppress black turnout at the polls. it was only a week ago that an analysis showed that the reduction in early voting sites in north carolina, again, pushed through by the state s republican governor, reduced the number of early votes. for example, guilford county, cut early voting locations from 16 to just one. it saw in-person voting decline roughly 85%. the picture is one of republican-controlled state and local government making it harder for african-americans to vote sometimes targeting the means of voting that they know will be disproportionately used by black voters. nationwide, there have now been 23 million early votes already cast in this election, nearly 12 million in battleground states and that early voting acts as a hedge against wild fluctuations in the final days. what effect is james comey s october surprise having on those polls? we ll talk about that, next. even a rodent ride-along. 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[music] [police siren] jess: how many did you have? shawn: i should be fine. jess: you should be? officer: sir, go ahead and step out of the vehicle for me. shawn: yes, sir. bud: see ya, buddy. today, shawn s got a hearing, we ll see how it goes. good luck! so, it turns out buzzed driving and drunk driving, they re the same thing and it costs around $10,000. so not worth it. so let s start with this idea of how much this is going to affect the race. which a lot of people are thinking about. what s your sort of general working theory right now? you know, we ve looked back at october quote/unquote october surprises in the past and some of them move the polls and some don t and if they move the polls, it s one or two points and so it s possible we get slight movement but no movement works perfectly well. christina, one of the reason i want to have you here, there s a way the political sicientists look at these polls and then the cable news does. right. the political science idea, the fundamentals are the fundenls and most of this stuff is noise. uh-huh. is that your general working theory? if you have asked me any other political year, i would say yes. the only caveat to this is that this year and this particular candidate, djt, i try not to say his name, he s so peculiar and unique because he s a celebrity, he s dominated the media, because essentially created a party within a party. yep. and because he has no record in public office at all, which is weird. not a drop. not a drop. so some of our theories right now are on hold. that s an understatement. essentially, they are out of the window in some ways. we should say right now the polling average has clinton up in the three or four-point we have her by five, but, yeah. somewhere around there. with 300 plus electoral votes if the election were held today, my general feeling about the election has been that a lot of the moving up and down with donald trump has been it drifts away as he attacks a judge or has a feud with a gold-star family or boasts about sexual assault which is later confirmed by 12 women saying on the record he did similar things, but that that number it s like a rubber band. they want to come back because they are partisan force a reason and he s the republican nominee. that s exactly right. before this friday, october surprise ever broke, we saw trump moving up slightly in the polls before then. even if he does rise, we can t necessarily say it was because of this. it is because he was getting more republicans than he was before after he shut his mouth. the key dynamic, even when he comes up to that ceiling, that is not and if you talk to the data folks who think about this a lot, they just think they have more votes. they think that the obama coalition is a bigger coalition and if they identify those voters, turn them out, that they have the bigger slice of the pie. so, i m of multiple minds of this and this keeps me up at night. i do think hillary clinton, if we look at the electoral math, if we look at the states that she needs, i think my political science brain says she has them. if people turn out, not even at obama levels, if we ve taken the average from 1992 until the principle, i think she s pretty solid. the issue is, i wonder if these trump people, who are first-time voters, who have never been polled. right. i wonder if they will turn out and they are the noise that we actually haven t been listening to. and there s a lot of uncertainty here. exactly. yeah. and with hillary clinton in a lot of ways, less is more. so the less democrats see of her and the less independents see of her, the more they like her. and so in some ways that s been a strategy, to sort of keep her although, i would disagree in this way. the less coverage they see of her, they like her. the more they see her, the more they like her. she s great one on one and with crowds. it s the coverage of her. that s the point. we have scandal, drama. we have sort of this throwback to 1992 and it s all of the baggage that the clintons bring. the two biggest things that have happened from a polling perspective, the conventions, hillary clinton talking to you and the first debate, here s hillary clinton. so the best things for her have been her actually out there with sustained attention of her as a person and her candidacy and then it ebbs and it moves back in the direction. the e-mails are a proxy for distrust. right. the more information we get about these e-mails, independents are struck with the fact that but the question about that is one of the things we re seeing is how strong the partisan fundamentals are even in parsing the e-mail story at this late stage of the race. asked about the october surprise and you see in fact the clinton voters saying, no, we actually like her more. right. and that s the question, in the big uncertainty, how many persuadables are left, how much this stuff affects them and introduced by the johnson/stein the only reason donald trump has closed the gap in the last few weeks, it s not because hillary clinton dropped. it s because donald trump went out and that s always the number to look at. if he s consolidating the republican base. it s still not been enough. harry and christina, thank you for that. thanks. still to come, candid close accounts from those who work with donald trump and how they coax him away from angry tweets. and lower your ability to fight them. tell your doctor if you are being treated for an infection or have symptoms. or if you have received a vaccine or plan to. inflammatory bowel disease can happen with taltz. including worsening of symptoms. serious allergic reactions can occur. now s your chance at completely clear skin. just ask your doctor about taltz. 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[burke] hot dog. seen it. covered it. influenced him most, an eye for an eye. joining me is michael steele and benji. it s also not like hidden. he s very much explicit about the role that vengeance, retribution, you hit me, i hit you, it s central to the way he s conducted his campaign and his world view. this is part of what people like about donald trump and what donald trump thinks himself as his guiding principle. i m a counterpuncher, he ll say, you have to fight fire with fire, he ll say and applies this to so many different things, i thought it would be good to take this as the way it explains his view and politically he ll attack opponents viciously, coming up with some excuse saying they attacked him but also with a policy level, torture, taking out families of suspected terrorists. killing terrorist family members is quite illegal. yes. michael, the thing i keep thinking about it, there s this creation with donald trump s campaign how he went to the last correspondents dinner and the president dressed him down and poked fun at him and i ll get you back. you wonder how that s going to be directed at the republican party should he fall short or even if he doesn t fall short, if he wins, either way, you know, we saw kelly anne conway when tammy duckworth threw dirt on the grave. you ve got to think retribution is going to be on the mind after this election, win or loss, against the people he feels wronged him. i think you ve already seen some of that. i think we can gather, from benjy s piece, that donald trump is an old testament guy. and because he s an old testament guy and really is coming out of the world of an eye for an eye and sometimes that extends into a lot of things that it shouldn t. for example, you ve already seen just in the last few weeks where the trump campaign is like, you know, we re not raising any more money for the party. we re just not. and that s just not what you do. right. you know, with two or three weeks left in the presidential campaign. so there s some aspects of this where donald trump has had enough of the gop. he s been fed up with this as he would look at them sort of elitists, weak-minded leadership and sort of taking a strike out on his own to finish his campaign up on his terms in the way he wants to and that, again, is a slap in the face to the party. part of it, also, this other sort of aspect of his personality, the way that people who work for him talk about him. let me say that, for the record, that there s a sort of common theme like staffers on capitol hill, you have to manipulate them, pro us doers in cable news led to water. this is sort of a common sort of trope among people who have to staff folks but it s another level with the way that trump staff talks about him. i mean, everyone around him is always talking about trying to kind of get this completely unruly undisciplined person to do certain things. it seems like a condemnation of the temperament of the person you want to give the nuclear codes to. you need to cajole him with brownies. we re talking about the most powerful job in the world. every president can use a few brownies. that s true. it s not like this hasn t happened in other administrations. that s true. there s a baseline. yeah, there is. but i take your point this way because there is something about the difference that has been a stark one for donald trump. here s a guy who s basically done a lot in business and in the private sector on his own against the odds without a lot of people telling him how to do it and, quite frankly, not giving a damn what they thought about how he was doing it from when his dad said don t go to manhattan and it s like, yeah, right, i m going to manhattan. it shouldn t surprise us that you take this asymmetrical person who has never had to account to anyone other than himself and bring him into politics and we re asking why aren t you doing what we tell you to do? it doesn t work that way and the expectation that it ever would is a shame on us for thinking it. right. although, discipline, it matters in the white house. no, it does. it s not like he s being wild and out of control, right? it goes back to this theme. judge curiel it s retribution.
access hollywood video. jessica leeds told the times she was assigned the seat next to donald trump in first class on an airplane 35 years ago when donald trump was still flying on commercial airplanes. she said he politely introduced himself. but then after the meal was served and the trays were taken away, donald trump started putting his hands all over her and grabbing her. here is some of her video interview with the new york times. if he had stuck with the upper part of the body, i might not have gotten i might not have gotten that upset. but it s when he started putting his hand up my skirt, and that was it. that was it. i i was out of there. the other woman in tonight s new york times report is rachel crooks, who is 22 years old in 2005 when she was working as a receptionist in a company located in trump tower. here is how the times describes what happened the first time she saw donald trump in the building and introduced herself. they shook hands, but mr. trump would not let go, she said. instead he began kissing her cheeks. then he kissed me directly on the mouth. both women said that watching the presidential debate on sunday was infuriating, especially this moment. just for the record, though, you saying that what you said on that bus 11 years ago, that you did not actually kiss women without consent or grope women without consent? i great respect for women. nobody has more respect for women than i do. so for the record you re saying you never did that? frankly, you hear these things said. and i was embarrassed by it. but i have tremendous respect for women. have you ever done those things? and women have respect for me. and i will tell you, no, i have not. in a telephone interview with the new york times, donald trump said none of this ever took place. shouting at the times reporter who was questioning him. mar el lago in florida where she was working as a photographer s assistant. ray charles was performing. tasha dixon, a contestant in the 2001 miss teen, let me say that again, miss teen usa pageant said this today about donald trump. he just came strolling right in. there was no second to put a robe on or any sort of clothing or something. some girls were topless. other girls were naked. to have the owner come waltzing in when we re naked or half naked in a very physically vulnerable position, and then to have the pressure of the people that work for him telling us to go fawn all over him. and tonight robert costa is reporting from washington post that donald trump intends to make good on his threat to the new york times. he says that donald trump s lawyers are drafting a lawsuit against the new york times that could be announced at any moment. and nancy giles, a lawsuit that still sort of seems like a he said-she said in a way. but these women did tell people contemporaneously what happened. we also have a pattern of behavior from trump that is pretty clear. the thing about these october surprise series that they re not surprising at all. right. donald trump issued a statement tonight in which he said the campaign anyway said to reach back decades this, by the way, please listen to every word of this. this is so ironic in light of what the trump campaign has been up to. to reach back decades in an attempt to smear mr. trump trivialized sexual assault. and it sets a new low for where the media is willing to go in its efforts to determine this election. maria teresa, that s the guy who reached back decades sunday night to invite women from decades ago in bill clinton s life to the debate. tonight the trump campaign says you must never, ever reach back decades. well, and he did it purposely to intimidate and humiliate his opponent in the most grossest of ways. because she could not control what happened 30 years ago that had nothing to do with her but her husband. that s what is absolutely obscene. but what donald trump has, his hardest part is actually taking ownership of when he does something wrong. the fact that we have types of him, decades long tapes of him going on howard stern, degrading women constantly, even making fun of how he actually can interact with his own daughter can make us feel uncomfortable. this is a pattern. this is who he is. if americans want to vote for him, let s be clear. this is the person who he there. is no plan b and there is no other donald trump. this is the person that we are seeing every single day. and most recently, lawrence, i think you saw he was at a pennsylvania rally, and he said look, you know that i m a snake. you voted me in. you nominated me. so he knows who he is. and now he realizes that it s women who are going to get him to the white house. i said this before. it s going to be ironic that now we have muslim american military family that is going bring him down. we have a latina beauty queen that is going to bring him down and women are going to bring him down. i want to read another piece of the statement because it is just breathtaking. he says it is absurd to think that one of the most recognizable business leaders on the planet with a strong record of empowering women in his companies would do the things alleged in this story. and nancy giles, this is the campaign that firmly believes catherine willie s story about bill clinton in the white house when he was rather recognizable as president of the united states. oh, yeah. if you re going with the unrecognizable guy won t do this theory, how do you explain what they re saying about bill clinton every day? you don t. because it doesn t make sense and it doesn t follow any kind of logic. i guess roger ailes could say the same thing about his network where he employees a lot of women and he is also you know, it brings up a couple of things for me. and i want to echo something maria teresa said. and that s how gross it is he tries to conflate his action was bill clinton s. i am in no way condoning anything bill clinton did. but hillary is the candidate. and there is something kind of sexist about him kind of bypassing her and going to bill as if there is anything going there that can balance his reckless actions. anybody that watches law & order knows that if you re a defense attorney, you re going to defend even people that have done horrible things. so what is he trying to say about hillary? he s got nothing to say about her, and any kind of actions she might have done that are equating to what he did. everyone should be reading this new york times piece tonight or tomorrow. but i want to read one passage of it. because it takes you into the life of someone who has this kind of thing happen to them. this is rachel crooks. and it s her boyfriend at the time who is describing what he came home to that night. he said i asked how was your day, mr. hackenberg recalled. she paused for a second and then started hysterically crying. after ms. crooks described her experience with mr. trump, she and mr. hackenberg discussed what to do. i think that what was more upsetting than him kissing her is she felt she couldn t do anything to him because of his position, he said. she was 22. she was a secretary. it was her first job out of college. i remember her saying i can t do anything to this guy because he s donald trump. and anna marie, that is one of the looks inside one of these horrible stories. i mean, i don t know where to begin. you brought me back, quite honestly. i mean, i have to say, i am very concerned for a lot of women out there. because i was brought back by that statement by something that happened to me when i was a young woman. i would be so shocked if the other two women you re speaking to haven t had something similar happen to them. something like that happened to me when i was young and i couldn t do anything about it. that is what happens to women. that is why this is so preposterous that if donald trump wants to go to war on this, this is such a different animal than what happened with bill clinton. for one thing, as we are saying, bill clinton is not running for office. for the other thing, donald trump is a predator. he is a predator who thinks that his so-called celebrity can allow him to do anything. there are women that want to show that s not possible there are women that want to say, no it doesn t allow you to do anything, and i m going to show you by voting against you. what i just want to follow up one thing with anna marie, and then i ll come to you. i want to hear you all on this particular point that i m about to ask. i want to go, anna marie, to this perception that mr. hackenberg, that her boyfriend had at the time. it was his perception in the passage i just read that he felt that she was more upset, more upset by the feeling of powerlessness after the fact than the actual moment in his company. i think that describes perfectly what happens for woman when this happens. in the moment, you actually have some physical agency unless it s somebody a lot bigger than you, which does happen. but you can kind of turn away run away. it s afterwards when you realize you can t do anything about it and if it happens again you also can t do anything about it. this is toxic. this is completely toxic for trump s campaign. he will not recover from this. maria teresa, please go ahead. this is the silver lining. people across the country are having these conversations with their husbands, with their spourks with their sons. these are the limitation. this is when you have to have consent. this is the only thing i think will actually bring to the top how pervasive this is in our culture, and the fact that no one is going to be getting away with it is i think fantastic. i have to applaud the athletes. the athletes have come out and said this is not wanter in the locker room. this is not acceptable. you actually see men coming forward and saying we have to stop this and making sure that women feel safe in their own agency. i have appreciated that so much, hearing the athletes saying what we talk about in the locker rooms are stocks and bonds. right. what the traffic was like on the way to work. and i also have to say how much i really hate that part of what is being said by his campaign is these aren t matters that interest women. this isn t what is important. women want jobs. yeah, they want jobs, but they want to feel safe in the workplace. they want equal pay, and they don t want to feel like someone in authority can bully them or sexual assault or harass them. so this is one of the most important things i think, one of the most important issues facing this country and facing the world, frankly. so i m glad that it s getting out there and getting some steam. we have a lot of video to get to tonight, and a lot of ground to cover. so we re going to have to go to a break in a moment. i just want to nancy has made the point that on howard stern, donald trump, and we don t have the time to play this right now. we re going to play it later in the show. donald trump bragged about the fact that he owns the beauty pageants and the teenage girl beauty pageants allows him to walk into the dressing room whenever he wants, to and he picks the time to walk in there that is most exploitive. and ana marie, we have that on video. that s another donald trump confession on video that he is joking about with howard stern, that he never thought was going to come back to him in his life. but there is the confession already on video for what he is accused of tonight. yeah, there it is. this is a pattern for him not just in the way he talks about women, but the way he talks about almost everyone. i know you have been very observant about this. probably the other women on this panel have been observant. he exploits whoever he can when he can. he thinks less of people who are not as powerful as him. that means women, minorities, people who are disabled. he manipulates and controls whoever he can. and he thinks he can get away with it. i think the stern stuff is just another sign of him thinking he get away with it. he was so open with stern because he thought it didn t matter. he thought his power and his celebrity and his money would allow him to say whatever he wanted. go ahead, maria. he also and it s not just women and minorities and people of color. it s also small businessmen. right. anybody he feels that he can trample with and basically get away with it. there was a piece where a man who sold him $100,000 worth of pianos and came back and said sorry, i m just going to give you 70,000. the idea that he is above the law. he understands tax code enough to write these things off is really it s not only unappealing. wait a second, you have learned how to play the system so well that you feel you don t have to be accountable to anybody. i think that this 18-month cathartic exercise we ve been doing with donald trump is actually very good. because we actually now can have conversations on when people talk about white male privilege, he is the epitome of that. nobody else would be able to get away with what he is doing. hillary clinton is taking the stage in las vegas. we will go to her as she gets into that speech. but i just want the make the point, nancy, that donald trump has always thought this is funny. that s what you see on the tape with billy bush. it s funny. he thought it was funny with howard stern. and it s not funny. to echo what ana marie just said, not only it is not funny, but it s rude. it s disgusting. and he has gotten away with it. that s the thing. he continues to get away with it. so i think it encourages him to exhibit the same behavior as he gets way with it again and again and again. and it is not locker room talk. as if even if it was just talk, it wasn t a painful, horrible thing to lobby at someone. but locker rooms across the country have said nah-ah, we don t talk about that. i was in a lot of sports. i have never heard anybody, and i know a bunch of crude guys. and i have never heard anybody brag about sexual assault, ever, nothing like what that guy was talking about on that bus. and the rush limbaugh today discovered that the problem and he really did discover this today. he said the problem is consent. ana marie, he said the only thing liberals care about in terms of sexual behavior is consent, that liberals are okay with everything else, as long as it s consenting adults. and rush limbaugh didn t realize that yes, that is correct that is precisely the position. as rush is thinking there are all these other things that should be condemned like homosexuality and all these other things, the only things they seem to care about is sent. and he was offended. i. i think and there is a silver lining here. i remember i actually heard rush limbaugh say that live. i happened to be somewhere where he was on. he did say this in this astonished voice. another person could read that same statement much as you did and it s a statement. whereas he was shocked by it. it s really stunning. nancy giles, maria teresa kumar and ana marie cox, thank you all for joining us. i appreciate it. thank you, lawrence. we re going to continue monitor hillary clinton at that speech in las vegas, and continue with more of our guests joining us. i think he is a very dangerous man for the next three or four weeks. those interest words of the reporter who has been covering donald trump longer than anyone else. wayne barrett was the first reporter to take on the myth of donald trump in the village voice way back in the 1970s. donald trump tried to stop wayne barrett every way he could think of, including trying to bribe him and threaten him. but wayne barrett stayed on the trump beat and paved the way for so much of the investigative journalism that has been done on donald trump since then. we re joined now exclusively by wayne barrett, the author of trump: the greatest show on earth, the deals, the down fall, the reinvention. also joining us david corn and msnbc political analyst. wayne, i ve been wanting to talk to you about this for a long time. and just the simple question. as donald trump said or done anything in the last year of this campaign that has surprised you? grabbing the pussy surprised me. even those words come out of his mouth. and i was a little stunned by that, lawrence. it s great to be here with you. certainly the stories of today do not surprise me. this ability to roam the earth looking for someone to grab is not surprising at all, but saying i grabbed them by the pussy, that surprised me. and wayne, you knew him and were covering him before his big rise to fame, and certainly before he had his own tv show. do you sense that giving donald trump his own tv show, that was a kind of heroin for him, that it took all of his worst traits and amplified them? yes. i think his worst trait obviously he objectifies women. but what he really has done is objectify himself. that s why he talks about himself like trump. trump did this, trump did that. the process of objectifying yourself is totally connected to the camera. because that s his that s his lifeline. and i really think that one of the reasons he tweets at 3:00 a.m. is because there is no camera around to talk to. so the camera has become the camera has become his lifeline. and he has turned himself into an object, which is basically the great story of his life. d it s it s as if he is so disconnected from human emotion other than anger, he is so disconnected from human any form, including the children. i mean art of the deal he mentions them once in his first memoir. tony schwartz who wrote it said they were never around and he never talked about them and never interacted with them. of course they didn t live with them. ivanka was 8 when they moved out. and yet he gets great credit for raising these kids. but they haven t been close to until they could make money in his company. and so i think that the disconnect between him and the life most of us live is really profound and deep. and i want to bring david corn in for a second. david, i just wanted to read a report from bloomberg today that says bannon, steve bannon told trump staffers according to advisers who are present, this has nothing to do with consensual sexual affairs and infidelity. this is bill clinton. we re going turn bill clinton into bill cosby, meaning that s why they re not using any of the women who were allegedly involved in consensual affairs with bill clinton. they are simply using the ones who say that bill clinton behaved with them the way donald trump admits to behaving on that access hollywood video. you know, i was talking to some trump people over the weekend before the new allegations emerged. and we were just talking about the video. and they said trump has only one play, to go nuclear. and the interesting thing to me is the only nuclear play that they saw was attacking bill clinton for behavior from 20, 30, 40 years ago that had been reported, litigated, that, you know, only marginally is connected to anything you can say about hillary clinton when you had to know, this is not a surprise that donald trump was as vulnerable or somewhat is vulnerable on this front. even before these women came out. there have been already cases that had been published in the guardian, the new york times and elsewhere where these allegations against donald trump. and i think wayne makes a great point about trump objectifying himself. trump is a commodity. he is a brand. he is not a human being in a lot of ways it seems. and that s how he has been selling himself. and he seems oblivious to anything that goes on in the world outside of his own concern with his own brand, his own commoditification. and therefore i could easily see him running to wage the very type of attack that he would be vulnerable. to one last point. i wrote a story a couple of months ago that he that people around him in the start of his campaign wanted to have a vetting of him. have opposition research conducted on trump, which is kind of common for most national campaigns. he said no. now we know why. wayne, i have to say, you know sorry. we re going go live to hillary clinton now, her speech. well, he has doubled down. he doubled down on his excuse that it s just locker room talk, and i got to tell you, after he said that in the last debate, the most amazing thing happened. athletes and coaches started speaking out. from the nba, from major league baseball, from the nfl. they re coming forward and saying hey, not in our locker rooms. that s not what happens. but he is not just insulted women. he is an equal opportunity insulter. he has insulted everybody. he insulted a distinguished federal judge who was born in indiana, and he said well, he couldn t be trusted to be a judge because his parents came from mexico. he has targeted immigrants, african americans, latinos, people with disabilities. he has targeted p.o.w.s and muslims. he has also targeted our military. he has called our military a disaster. now how can you be the commander in chief if you don t respect the men and women who serve in the united states military? i think he has shown us who he is. now the question for all of us is who we are, right? what are we going to do to show i want to go back to wayne barrett as hillary clinton continues her speech there in las vegas. wayne, a point i wanted to make is i had consistently predicted that donald trump would not run for president. and i was right every time, except the last time. and the reason i was saying that is that i had been reading your reporting of back i guess when i just got out of high school. and all the reporting about donald trump in the meantime. and i saw what was there. and just your reporting alone is an opposition file unlike we ve ever seen on a presidential candidate. and i just i know donald trump knows that it s out there. i just couldn t imagine him leaping into this. were you surprised that he decided to run for president finally? yes, i was. but keep in mind even when this video emerged, part of the trump defense has been well, he wasn t running for president. yeah, yeah. and so he said and did reckless things. in fact, he ran for president for four months in 2000. roger stone ran that campaign. he tried to get the reform party line. he pulled out. and as i wrote in the book in 1988, he was flirting with it. he referred to marla as his southern strategy. he didn t think ivana would be presentable in a national campaign. and he thought that marla maples could help him carry the south. patiently he doesn t need marla to carry the south now. race will do it for him. but he has been talking about this, thinking about this. roger stone, who has been with him for 30 some years the night he was nominated, posted that this was a celebration of over 30 years of work together. and so they ve been thinking about this. and yet he would still behave while he was considering being a presidential candidate most of his adult life, he would still behave in this totally reckless way. wayne barrett, thank you very much for joining us tonight. i really appreciate it. really appreciate your perspective on donald trump. and david corn, thank you for joining us also. sure. really appreciate it. we re going to stay monitoring hillary clinton s speech. i think we re going to squeeze in a break here. and we ll be right back. ces in y life. so when my asthma symptoms kept coming back on my long-term control medicine. i talked to my doctor and found a missing piece in my asthma treatment with breo. once-daily breo prevents asthma symptoms. breo is for adults with asthma not well controlled on a long-term asthmcontrol medicine, like an inhaled corticosteroid. breo won t replace a rese inhaler for sudden breathing problems. breo opens up airways to help improve breathing for a full 24 hours. breo contains a type of medicine that increases the risk of death from asthma problems 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ly. do it right. we re continuing to monitor hillary clinton s speech in las vegas. these are her first public remarks since the new allegations have come up tonight against donald trump. the behavior that donald trump admitted to on the access hollywood video that appeared on friday is tonight being corroborated by several home with have come forward today to say that he did indeed touch them and kiss them without their consent. let s take a look at what donald trump admitted to in that access hollywood video. use tic tacs in case i start kissing her. i m automatically attracted to beautiful. i just start kissing them. it s like a magnet. you just kiss. and when you re a star, they let you do it. you can do anything. whatever you want. grab them by the [ bleep ]. do anything. joining us now, michael steele, former chairman of the republican national committee and an msnbc analyst. also with us tim miller, a member of the never trump movement and a former communications director for jeb bush s 2016 campaign. gentlemen, i d like to listen to what is now a more relevant tape than it was even yesterday. and that is we re going to hear donald trump with howard stern admitting that he does indeed when he owned those beauty pageants and the teenaged beauty pageants, he would indeed walk in deliberately on the girls when he knew they were undressed. let s listen to this. well, i ll tell you the funniest is that i ll go backstage before a show and everyone is getting dressed and ready and everywhere else. and you know, no men are anywhere. i m allowed to go because i m the own over the pageant. i m inspecting it. is everyone okay? they re standing there with no clothes. is everybody okay? and you see these incredible looking women. and so i sort of get away with things like that. michael steele, it s only october 12th. yeah. which means we don t yet know what the october 13th surprises are or the 14th or the 15th. yeah. no, there is clearly a lot more to come. there as you noted earlier, lawrence, a long history here that has been reported on. and now in light of these new accusations as well as what we got from last friday, i think this funnel opens up. and it s a huge, huge problem for the party. it is a huge problem for the campaign. there is no walking around this gingerly. there is no putting a good face on it. this has been dealt with, confronted directly. and i don t know how this party or the campaign does that. i just want to play something john boehner said earlier this evening where he basically was on fox news saying he didn t see how this could get worse. let s listen to this. what more could be said? in this election cycle than has already been said? so you seem to think that we kind of already know what donald trump is all about, and that nothing further could come out that would make any difference? it can t be any worse, could it? well, that s a good question. what do you think? i don t think so. and tim miller, that was minutes before the new york times posted this story tonight of these two women coming forward saying yes, he did to us what he says he did on that access hollywood video. i love speaker boehner, but this line of thinking was way, way too common within the party. and donald trump told us all we needed to know last year. the very first question of the very first debate was megyn kelly to donald trump going through all of the nasty, demeaning, harsh, cruel comments he had said about women over the course of his life. and obviously worse and lower comments have come to light since then. but we knew that. and a lot of washington leaders, including speaker boehner unfortunately said oh, ted cruz is the devil. he can t be that much worse than ted cruz. now we re stuck with this guy. and it s a major, major problem for our party. and it s going to be something we have to rebuild from for years to come. gentlemen, if you can bear with me, we want to try to fix our break structure here. so we re going work in a quick break here. we went quite a distance without a commercial earlier. a quick break here. we re going to continue to monitor hillary clinton s speech in las vegas. we will come back to that if she responds to in any way to the news about donald trump tonight. we ll be back with michael steele and a tim miller after this break. mom, clothing optional. lendingtree. when banks compete, you win. okay! .awkward. like their photo claims tool. it helps settle your claim quickly, which saves time, which saves money. and when they save, you save. that s auto and home insurance for the modern world. esurance, an allstate company. click call. esurance does insurance a smarter way, which saves money. like bundling home and auto coverage, which reduces red tapewhich saves money. and when they save, you save. that some and auto insurance for the modern world. esurance, an allstate company. click or call. we have more breaking news tonight, this time from people magazine. people magazine has a report on a december 2005 incident involving a people magazine writer natasha stoinoff. she is driving what it was like for her when she was working on a story in 2005 that brought her to mar el lago and donald trump. there came a moment where she found herself alone in a room with donald trump. people magazine carries this account from natasha stoinoff breaking what happened. she said we walked into that room alone and trump shut the front door behind us. i turned around and within seconds he was pushing me against the wall and forcing his tongue down my throat. i was stunned and i was grateful when trump s long-time butler burst into the room a minute later as i tried to unpin myself. the butler informed us that melania would be down momentarily. and it was time to resume the interview. we re back now with maria teresa kumar who has rejoinedteresa, w the october 12th surprises continue almost by the minute. here is people magazine, obviously this has been a legally vetted, carefully legally vetted report. they would not publish it without that. reporting that this reporter alone with donald trump at mar el lago with melania his wife upstairs, and donald trump shut the door behind us. i turned around, and within seconds he was pushing me against the wall and forcing his tongue down my throat. that is precisely what he said to billy bush was his modus operandi. it s what he tried to do with the woman on the airplane and the receptionist. this is clearly a pattern. but your just reading that statement, lawrence was gut-wrenching. i can t imagine any viewer right now not even in tears or feeling uncomfortable. he is taking us to a very dark place. and the fact that these women are sharing their bravery with us of sexual assault, i have to applaud them. because it s something that cannot be easy. and it s finally giving voice to so many people out there that feel that they have been alone for so long. and i feel that this is we re on october 12. but not only is this a pattern, but i can expect more. and hopefully things that are not more ruthless on his ability to prey on women. and i just want to read another passage in this. it s a long report. i just want to stress, this is people magazine. that means this has been vetted by very high powered corporate lawyers who know exactly where the libel laws protect them and where they don t. they are lawyers completely unwilling to take the slightest risk with this kind of report. she says that an hour later, i was back at my hotel. my shock began to wear off and was replaced by anger. i kept thinking why didn t i slug him? ana marie was saying the same things. when women get into places where they re vulnerable, you end up feeling that you did something wrong. and that is precisely what a predator wants you to do. that s about what someone that basically practices sexual assault wants you to do. but again, i cannot put my arms around any republican that can possibly stand by his side. this is not leadership if they continue feeding this monster and saying he is okay and fit to be president. the fact that he preys on the most vulnerable, that he encounters, you can only imagine what he would do not only to the rest of the country, but now the world. there was j.r.rowling said a tweety she did want his hand on the nuclear weapons and someone said but you re not an american. but i m the world. a country which is incredibly diverse, which thrives on entrepreneurship and thought and differences. a loug someone who has clearly shown his stripes to us from the very beginning to come in and try to basically distort and destroy our balance of power. he has been a ruthless going more recently as you mentioned earlier, threatening the new york times for suing him on a story that is clearly increasingly validated, being a predator towards women. the fact that he went after a federal judge saying that once he is in office, he would basically strip him from his judgeship, and going after hillary clinton saying if he wins that she is basically going to be put in prison for a political opponent. this is not america. this is much more closely tactics that you see in russia. and something of a dictator such as putin that many folks in russia would agree than something that is done by a person running a country that has checks and balances, that has a judicial branch, that has a congressional branch, and that has the oval office. and anna ma marie, there is here about this reporter s reaction to this natasha stoinov is her name. and i just wanted to read some of it. it s too difficult to read some of it. she said why didn t i slug him. why couldn t i say anything? the next morning anger became fear. i had been up all night worrying about this. and ana marie cox, the pain that s being expressed in the aftermath of these incidents is so deep. and it s hard to read. oh, we don t have ana marie cox. nancy giles here with news the studio. this is the part where you ve seen me trying to read this. it isn t easy. it s awful, it s awful. as woman who has grown up in new york and has lived through kind of rude things that guys can sometimes say in the street, construction workers, being on a packed subway and feeling somebody pressing up against you, they re bad enough. what these women are describing is just god awful. and, you know, i can only repeat and agree with what the other two women on the panel have said. it almost doesn t seem like america. you wonder how somebody that started his campaign with such horrible things said about mexicans and the accusations, the claims that all black people are dodging bullets and living in hell and taking a judge, with his own ego and his own remarks kind of coming back to choke him, it s almost shakespearean because his ego in the end and his need to be on tv and on the radio and throughout and publicized, and a big important person, those are the exact words that are going to come back. and actions i think will haunt him. we re to be take a break. we re waiting for donald trump s threat to sue people magazine over this report. he has already threatened to sue the new york times. the times article, the people article, those articles are vetted by the very best lawyers that exist in this country. the likelihood of there being an opening for a libel suit against either one of these articles is very unlikely. we ll be right back. [click] and move only when you hear thelick th says they re buckled in for the drive. never give u till they buckle up. statement from an unnamed spokesperson of the trump campaign saying, quote, this never happened. there is no merit or veracity to this fictional story. why wasn t this reported at the time? mr. trump was the biggest star on television, and surely this would have been a far bigger scoop for people magazine. she alleges this took place in a public space with people around. this is nothing but politically motivated pile-on fiction. of course there is a lie in the trump statement. she does not say it took place in a public place. she specifically describes the door being closed. and no spokesperson at the trump campaign has any authoritative capacity to say, nancy giles, this never happened. how do you know? you weren t there. you know what i think has really brought it out is there he was at the debate, asked specifically about this. and at the debate, with millions of people watching on television, he said he never did it. and i think for anyone who was in a situation where he did grab or grope or anything like that, it must have been like a slap in the face. like the whole thing being experienced again. and i think that s why you re going to have more and more people coming out saying this happened to me. tim miller still with us, republican campaign professional. tim, is there anything they won t do for money over there at trump tower? is there anyone on that payroll of the trump campaign that when they read a story like this refuses to say this never happened? is there anyone there who knows none of them have the moral authority to make that statement? no. look, with the exception of one or two people, all these folks were hired after the convention this summer. kellyanne conway is the third campaign manager. she saw all of the op about donald trump over the last year. she saw all the nasty comments he made about women. she saw all the nasty comments he made about the disableded and hispanics and veterans. all of these people are completely, you know, in league with him and enabling him. so now they re going to have to spend the next 27 days either in hiding or continuing to put out statements like the one that you just read that lies and defends him. i don t understand what they get out of it at this point. michael steele, i guess there is just a template over there for this never happened press release to put out for whatever the next accusation is that comes out. well, yeah. they re kind of used to it by now. kind of roll it off the desk and put it out there. you know, that statement i suspect probably came probably from trump himself to say it, even though it was anonymously given. that s how they can say that. but the fact of the matter is this is just the beginning of the floodgates. you put it i think very aptly, lawrence. you know, what is tomorrow, the 13th going to offer us? what is going to be the surprise on the 14th? this is not a good space for anybody in the country. it s particularly the party in this campaign. someone is going to have to put an end to it. and the only person who can do that is donald trump. and david corn, any other women out there who had been thinking about maybe telling their stories when they see other women coming out, that can only be possibly an encouragement or possibly give them the sensation that, well, at least they re not alone if they do tell this story? every reporter who has worked on the trump beat the last year has gotten tips and leads about women and this sort of treatment. it s not a secret. and as we ve seen in the bill cosby case, the once people start coming forward, there tends to be more, not less of that. but i got to say for all those republicans out there, anybody who may be surprised, this guy for years has shown his misogynistic, racist, bullying, bigoted side. so a person like that engaging in this sort of behavior really comes as nothing other than in keeping with everything we know about him for years. and so all those conservatives who are still on the trump train and the people in congress, you guys knew. you gals knew. and there is absolutely no excuse. i salute people like tim miller. i disagree with him on almost everything else for knowing that character counts and you can see what type of guy trump was from a mile away. maria teresa, let me get a quick last word from you on this. i think it s exactly what david corn is saying. how can we as americans actually stand by and allow this person basically a free pass? every single woman that is coming out, if you notice, it s the exact same pattern. and my hope is that those women keep coming out and that they re brave and they keep having these conversations. but also we recently did a posted something on voto latino
don lemon. hillary clinton in las vegas where they ll go head-to-head in the final debate. live pictures you re looking at now, in true las vegas side show, of donald trump, in quiting the kenyan born-brother of president obama to be in the audience. donald trump s troubles over allegations of sexual misconduct are far from over. people magazine reports six people have corroborated sexual assault claims made by one of the former writers against donald trump. cnn s jessica snyder joins us with more on that. jessica, we re talking about natasha stoynoff and donald trump continues to denies these allegations. what s the fallout? the fallout has been sudden, it s been swift, and in hours of stoynoff posting this, donald trump discredited her very publicly at a rally, even called her looks into question, as to why he couldn t have possibly sexual assaulted her and went on a twitter tirade, asking her why she didn t come forward, special fe and feeling now she needs to tell her story and bringing forth six people who are corroborating her story. she is let s see, former journalism professor and long-term mentor, paul mclove lynn, right, what is he saying about this? he s part of the story in. i talked to him on the phone tonight. he says it was back in 2005, hours after stoynoff was allegedly attacked when she called him from her hotel room. he said that she was dismayed, distraught, shaken, angry, but in large part, she also felt betrayed. she felt she and donald trump had this professional business relationship, and all the sudden in her eyes he turned into a predator, so it was a very difficult time for her and the first person she turned to was her mentor and her journalism professor and he actually spoke out tonight to cnn s aaron burnet saying he will support her then and will always support her. take ali listen. a man what he did to natasha and says what he says, it takes what he did and adds another despicable level to it. i know what she told me was true. she wasn t in 2005, calling me in anticipation on doing somethingti something negative to him in a presidential campaign. that s preposterous. at the time, he advised her not to take any action. why is that from. paul was really worried about this. he thought if she spoke out and went to her editors, donald trump would retaliate and blacklist her as a journalist and do things that would destroy her career, so his advice to her that she ended up taking was to and to get taken off the donald trump beat, to no longer write about him, and as we know, she had no further by lines relating to donald trump. let s talk about the melania trump andand coop anderson coop interview. there was a claim she bumped on to her on fifth avenue, and melania trump is saying that never happened. what is stoynoff saying? she s staying pretty much above the fray, but what s interesting is people magazine has put forth someone who was with stoynoff when this happened, and they ran into melania, and stoynoff chatted for a bit and the one thing this friend remember business that occasion is that melania trump was carrying baron as a baby and wearing high heels at the time, so she seems to have a very vivid recollection of this happening. stoynoff is only still peaking out about donald trump himself. in fact, issuing this very biting quote about him in people magazine today, i ll what does it mean for donald trump and the donald trump campaign? it s not good news. the allegations she has corroborated in some parts because she had told people of them at the time that they had occurred and didn t just come out with a story to try to takedown his candidacy. this is a very damaging and difficult thing for donald trump to deal with because in one respect, he has to deal with it publicly, because he has to try to put an end to it and another respect though he has to deal with the fact he needs to talk about other issues, and policy issues, he needs to try to move beyond it. so this is a very tough spot for donald trump to be in and not only her but all the other women who have made allegations against him. bob, melania trump spoke out to try to contain the damage about allegations of sexual assault and groping. here s what she said to anderson. i believe my husband. this was all organized from the happened? sure. i think overall, melania doing the interview was a good thing for donald trump, i think it would have been better if donald trump was with her during the interview. but you have it s the same thing that hillary clinton, she can t shake the e-mail issue, he can t shake these accusers of he said she said, and i don t think it s going to be ending any time soon and you really look at donald trump s numbers with women. he needs to improve them if he s going to win this election. these type of desires, stories know who is telling the truth, but they don t help him. it sort of reminded me of the 60 minutes interview with i m not some little tammy wynette standing by my man and we realize some of the things against bill clinton turned out to be true. looking back if we re talking to each other ten, 20 years into the future we ll be looking back at this melania trump and possibly thinking the same thing, bob? i don t i think it depends on who wins on november 8th. but because there have been so many women that have come forward in the wake of the access hollywood tape, which was very damaging to trump, you never know, but at the same time, this is what this is what politicians do. they re accused of stuff. we don t know who is telling the truth, but accusation, after accusation, it does add up, it leads to bad headlines, and that s bad for trump. and mark, it is showing up in the polls because five national polls published within the last couple days shows clinton with a significant lead. how much pressure does that put on donald trump to try to get this, you know, allegations of sex abuse or groping behind him, and then how much does it put on him to win tomorrow? how much pressure? let s just say by this time tomorrow, donald trump will put his campaign on track or he ll be derailed. he has one last opportunity to hit upwards of 50 million, to 60 million people, and try to d discredit. he needs to not talk about ex-sexsex u ual allegations. he needs to talk about how he s going to change washington. he was no colorado just a few hours ago and he didn t talk a whole lot about the sexual allegations. he talked about he was going to drain the swamp and bring change to washington, d.c. that s a much better message for donald trump, and anybody running as an outsider like donald trump is, a, get your base solidified again and he s got to get the middle of the road voters. the rigged election part of the strategy tomorrow? it s crazy if it is, because it s something that while it plays well in these big rallies that he s doing, at some point when you have everybody going out there, including president obama, some would say it s predi predictable to dismiss it, you have the ohio governor who is going to vote for donald trump, saying donald trump is wrong, as well as republican leaders. it s not a withnning strategy. what s a grand slam for donald trump tomorrow? a grand slam is he shows he s presidential, he does not take the bait when hillary clinton says something, that he talks about what he wants to talk b talking about trade, talking about the economy and mark i definitely agree if you want the status quo, you vote for her. if you the want change, you vote for me. if he can do all of that he hasn t shown he can, he can win this debate. what s a home run? i think a home run is anything that isn t a big loss. if she loses narrowly, she s looses looses on points that s still a win because of her points right now. she s got to play it safe, go to a four-corners offense and run out the. she can t be too tepid, and has to fire back. i think they are going to shake hands because i think she ll try and set a different tone. we ll come back trump speaking out in the accusations against her father. will it help his campaign? . when coughing keeps your family awake. breathe easier with vicks vaporub. soothing cough relief that starts working instantly. the mistay connected.elps us the microsoft cloud offers infinite scalability. the microsoft cloud helps our customers get up and running, anywhere in the planet. wherever there s a phone, you ve got a bank, and we could never do that before. the cloud gave us a single platform to reach across our entire organization. it helps us communicate better. we use the microsoft cloud s advanced analytics tools to track down cybercriminals. this cloud helps transform business. this is the microsoft cloud. inside everyone is an incredible cook, someone who can cook an amazing meal any night of the week. farm fresh ingredients, step-by-step recipes, delivered to your door for less than $9 a meal. get $30 off your first delivery blueapron.com/cook. we catch flo, the progressive girl, at the supermarket buying cheese. scandal alert! flo likes dairy?! woman: busted! 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[ laughter ] the tape was released, my father s comments are clearly inappropriate, and i m glad my father gave an apology to the american people. is this statement enough? no is this sort of i think the nice thing about the way elections work is every american e eve , every man and woman decides if this is the person we want in the white house. and i m not going to judge ivanka, or her and trump s relationship what else would you say? exactly. that s his daughter, and that s their relationship. i do believe in spite of the mess that s become we should let private family issues be family issues. the thing here is the voting public and whether we are going to accept a man who has brag body sexual assault, who has a history of public misess ojonny do we want him as our leader. free world? absolutely not. it doesn t help one bit. do you agree with what her assessment of what mel knania tp said, we should let family issues are priefevate? there s not a whole lot of room for privacy. having ivanka and and melani speak, they put a softer side on him, and melania s interview was good, first and foremost, what a lot of people wanted to hear is donald trump apologized to her, she accepted his apology and she said she hopes the american people do. i think the mistake was a couple things, going on to say this was boy talk let me play some of it and you can go on with your response. i said to my husband the language is inappropriate, it s not acceptable, and i was surprised because that is not the man that i know, and as you can see from the tape, the cameras were not on, it was only a mic and i wonder if they even knew that the mic was on, because they were kind of boy talk, and he was leading on like egg on from the host to say durirty and bad stuff. pardon me, i didn t mean to interrupt you, but blaming billy bush and saying it was boy talk. they see it for what it was. it wasn t boy talk. it wasn t locker room talk. this was aid gro grown man, run for past of the united states and that s how people see it. for her to blame or anyone to blame it on billy bush egging it on, it s a tremendous mistake because it leads the appearance that he s not actually taking responsibility for his own actions and that s exactly what he should have been doing. actually, this interview should have been done ten days ago. you ve done this a time or two. my question, the same thing i anded about and asked about ivanka, what would you have melani assaa say? basically understanding the american people understand personally he s apologized and they re moving forward. other than that case closed, leave it at that and move on to more important issues. i think that s what the american people want, and i think he needs to move on. we could have had an entire week of talking about issues that are strong for him. i think talking about draining the swamp, doing away with washington as usual, that s going to be a good message moving forward and reminding american people who he won the republican nomination leading on the economy and immigration and issues like national security, and those are the things that we need to spend the next few days talking about and not talking about these issues and certainly we don t need to be blaming the women because hell hath no fury like a scorned donald, and that also is a tremendous mistake. i appreciate your candor. how do you not though when people say don t talk about these things and you tell someone, don t look at her hair, you re going to keep staring. do you think people are going to continue even though he s try ago is he going to talk about it? when s he going to say something? is she going to say something? do you think that s going to be part of it, sally? the unfortunate thing about this election is we ve talked about issues apparently about 11% of the time, at least those numbers were through july of this year. 11% of the time spent on issues at a time when we have still a struggling, recovering economy, when we have concerns of security and isis and all of these things. 11%. so this is a tabloid election. we talk about this stuff. we re going to continue talking about it. i do think the issue though is it can t be separated from donald trump and his character. he you re electing not just a person for the ideas and he doesn t have any so what else do we have him left? we judge him on his character. i want to play this. manu raju, our reporter in washington said, i was an athlete and no one talked that way donald trump and billy bush did on the access hollywood bus, watch this. we have now ten women that we know that have come forward that he sexual assaulted them. that s a crime. do you think he s committed a crime? i don t know. you know, you have to have somebody file a complaint, you know, you can t do it without someone having these are people who are trapped. they are with this man in public places and like an airplane, puts his hands under somebody s skirt in an airplane. the woman moves her seat. i mean i for me, i can t understand i don t know about a crime, but it is kind of a sickness. so alice quickly because i need to move o. i have to ask you something else that s just as important. that s a pretty serious thing for him to say. the. a it is. in terms of whether these instances are true or not, it s disturbing and unfortunately, to harry reid s point, unfortunately a lot of times when situations like this happen, women can t come forward for whatever reason, for their job, or they feel intimidated by a man in power, so i think these are all issues that are side issues that can and should be talked about at some point, but in terms of the presidential election, i think we need to look at the bigger picture in terms of this happened, he s apologized for it, he s trying to move on and i think further for the good of this and let people judge for themselves. i want to play this is ed rollins chair of the pro donald trump great america pack. he said this today. itf somehow trump pulls a miracle, which would take a miracle at this point, and obviously his party he can do what he wants with it. if not i think we begin from ground zero with lots of different facts and candidates. is he right? will it take a miracle? i love ed rollins and he s my political mentor. it s a difficult situation. hillary clinton is trying to run out the clock. the latest polls show him down 20 points amongst women in the key battleground states one month ago, hillary was just up five points amangst women, now she s up 15 points amongst women. women take up 53% of the eli electora electorate, so donald trump needs to try and make up ground in the last three weeks and has his work cut out for him. it s a difficult road ahead. it s never impossible. never rule out donald trump. he s been counted down and out before but it s going to be a difficult road. alice speaking the truth tonight. go ahead here. he insulted duo you think it s a miracle do you think it s a miracle if donald trump if he can come back. yes, i ve been praying for it every night. i m losing myself in double flegtives. it will take a miracle for donald trump to win. listen, then i ve stopped making predictions about this election, you know, because he s defied everying iss every single one of them, but this is the miracle i hope for, the american peel aople are bet than this, not the insults of everyone under the sun, but please be better than this. please. please. thank you, ladies. thanks, don. when we come back we ve been hearing a lot of locker room talk in the wake of the lewd donald trump tape, but wait until you hear what donald trump has to say about what goes on in the locker room. afoot and light-hearted i take to the open road. healthy, free, the world before me, the long brown path before me leading wherever i choose. the east and the west are mine. the north and the south are mine. all seems beautiful to me. lepe s foods is a locally owned here in santa rosa. as a small business, we re always looking to save money, and pg&e was able to help us. i help the small businesses save money and energy. it feels great. we looked at their lighting, their refrigeration system, and with just those two small measures, they were able to save a good amount of money. i was shocked. i couldn t believe that i could save $1,500 a month. with the savings that we get from pg&e, we re able to pass it on to our customers. it s pretty awesome. learn how your business can save at pge.com/businessenergycheckup. together, we re building a better california. course howard stern. he s what he said today. this idea of locker room talk, i have to tell you something, all the times i ve been around guys and believe me when i m around guys 85% of the time you re talking about pussy. but i have never been in the room where someone has said grab them by the pussy. in other words i ve never heard that term before. no one has ever advocating getting that step you re going to invade someone s space. locker room talk to me is guys are talking about who s hot, or what they ve done to chicks or what they re hoping to do to chicks. andy, even howard stern says trump s language isn t locker room talk, what s your reaction? don, i don t know if i m the right guy to analyze locker room talk. i don t know. to me, the howard stern stuff, this is from the 90s when he was on the show, five ten years ago, and to me, to analyze in a political setting i ll just level with you, it doesn t seem right. even howard stern i m nota howard stern fan. bababuoy. trump went in there and it was an entertainment program and to kind of all the sudden now it s on cnn, i just feel like this is apples and oranges so i really can t comment on it. van jones i saw a side eye there. l jui just wanted to say the reason i feel this tape has been different than everything else with donald trump is everything else he s done that s been controversial, that s gotten people upset could be put into one of three categories. it was either political conviction, he actually believes this stuff, even if it s outrageous, he could say, he s an authentic guy, or it s political calculation, trying to play to a certain base and say, maybe he s just being smart politically, or it s comedy, he s being an entertainer. this is not the first time it s not political calculation, or comedy. this is him by himself in a hot-mic moment with somebody else just talking and being his actual self and his actual self is disgusting and appalling. and we could go back, boy talk, locker room talk, et cetera, this is sexual assault talk, this is criminal talk. i can t go and grab donald trump by the crotch and try to kiss him. that s an assault. i d go to jail, and so it s not about the talk, it s about the deed that the talk describes. that was a visual fur most of the audience, but any way scottie, you re shaking your head. i don t know how i can follow that one. i m going to try to pivot just to clear all of our minds. it s pivot time. and you know, it s funny. i think it s hilarious that van says political calculation. we already have nbc saying they sat on these tapes. they actually wanted to release them 48 hours before the debate, to cause the maximum amount of damage but because of the hurricane that went through they ended up getting leaked out. this is all political calculation. it does not dismiss sort of like the wikileaks. that does not apologize for the works of themselves. if this would have come out six months nine months a year ago, they would have had the conversation but the reason we re talking about this is going into this month hillary clinton had not been able to mobilize the female vote. donald trump was leading by 17 points with female married women. let me and you asking, scottie. that s the reason why this came out. scottie, you think the clinton campaign is behind this. do you think the clinton campaign are in cahoots with nbc news and anybody else, and it s really? it s already been shown nbc wanted to cause maximum damage with this. now whether that was at the allegiance we ll have to wait. maybe that was an e-mail that was lost in the deletion of her 30,000 e-mails. we ll find that out next year. that was good. thank you. you cannot sit there and look at the timing of all of this coming out they re calculated and once again we re distracting from the issues most men and women in america want to find out about these candidates and nbc for some reason schochose to sit on these tapes three weeks before the election in order to cause damage you ve made your point. the character of the candidate, that s very important when you re running for president and as i said, i think i said this the night before, peoples characters are often revealed when they are when they don t think anyone is listening, and so when you re in the public, you have a microphone, you re in front of these cameras, you re going to be on your best behavior, but when you re on the bus and you re hanging out with your buddy, that may be your true character that comes out. do you agree with that, bakari? i don t agree with it, but but even more importantly, don, i think we re looking at this tape in the wrong manner. i think we we re looking at it in a vacuum. we have to look at it in the totality. donald trump from the get-go, we ve said this over, and over, and over again, but it can t be stated enough, he targeted hispanics, he targeted muslims and african-americans. he targeted the disabled. he targeted pows, he targeted gold star moms and now he s talking about sexual assault on women. this is not anything new when you look at it in the totality of the circumstances. now i had two major issues with melania trump s interview. first was that she simply stated that he speaks real, he s very honest and what he says is what you can believe, you can take it to the bank. all trump surrogates say that. if heed that on that bus, can we take that to the bank, as well? is sexual assault to him something that he believes in his core and his heart? that s first and the second thing is, she said billy bush made him do it? if billy bush made him do it, what is putin, what s the iranian regime going to do to him? if you can t stand up to billy bush that s going too far. 11 years ago, i would love to see bakari ywhat you were sa 11 years ago. that s ridiculous. those are very good points f. he s saying billy bush was 20 years his senior that s an absolute stretch. if we re going to take the hidden tapes, the videotapes that have come out about james o keefe, and are we looking at the wikileaks, the racist, and the homophobic james o keefe is not running for president. we re talking about the person running for president. he s encouraging. let s talk about what they call bernie sanders himself that s come out in all of this. like i said scottie, i do have to say hold on, bakari. you re making very good points but it s not you re not answering bakari s questions and i thought those were two really great questions. if billy bush can sort of goat him into saying those things what s going to happen when a world leader does the same thing? if we can t believe what he said on the bus on an un-guarded moment, why would he say you can take what he means and take it to the bank? i think those are great questions. i think it was two guys peacocking in front of each other, try fing to show off and figure out who was the bigger manually man. it happens all the time. don t agree with the word choice, but most men may not go to that extent, but a lot of guys try to beat one another. bakari, you ve never said that listen, i ve never said anything about sexual assault tow any of my friends. in fact, if you say something like that in the conversation, that s a quickest way for to you get jacked up and somebody to have a serious conversation with you. there is a line that is guy talk and what donald trump did i mean he s a habitual linestepper. he jumped over that line to what s inappropriate. no mother, sister, daughter, aunt deserves any of that. to me what this is revealing what trump is talking about with media bias. anyone with the right mind, including melania trump, has said this tape is not good, he apologizes but we re on day ten of this scandal and the balance you forget last night his wife came out to support him for this tape doing a long interview his wife was on cnn last night, and fox today. we would not have been talking about it had she not agreed to do those interviews. she is standing by herman. i disagree, don, with all due respect. and an important point, when donald trump is reeling against the big media and you call is a conspira conspiracy, it s a very real phenomen phenomenon. the center for public integrity looked at the money that was given to presidential campaigns and 96% of the money went to the hillary clinton campaign. so i agree with you that, yes, this is a bad tape we get it, donald trump did not look good. they re talking about the media they re talking about food critics and movie critics, they re not talking about journalists, so the numbers are skewed. my question was i m going to let you get in, van. to be more specific, just so you know, andy, my question was about melania trump s response, that was what bakari said, and what came out of her mouth, yeah, and so that s what we were responding to. but any way, van, i m going to let you talk and make your point after the break and andy i ll let you know, as well. we ll be right back. unces a new swiss jr. bacon cheeseburger as an option with the 4 for $4 for a limited time. with 4 nuggets, fries and a drink for just $4 the swiss jr. bacon cheeseburger. now back to america. his policies are so much more important than his personality and his personal flaws with bill clinton. with donald trump, his personal flaws are so much more important than his policies say on trade or whatever so they can make that case and they can feel comfortable with it. there s problem though. what i think we don t actually get honest about is that it wasn t the tape. it was really donald trump s response to the tape that left a lot of people very concerned. it was the tape, van. when barack obama van, come on. hold on a second. can i you have your point. i want to make my point. the tape was horrible. but listen, there was a horrible tape with barack obama, as well, in 2008, when reverend wright came out, the guy who married me shill a michelle and obama said horrible things. he kim ocame out and gave one o most impressive speeches in american politics and he shows under fire he could take us to a higher place. the problem with donald trump, when the bomb fell on his campaign, he took us to a lower place and started talking about bill clinton and everybody else. for a lot of people they say this is not the kind of person they want in the white house. when he gets in trouble he takes us low, not high, and that s a big part of why the media isn t moving off of this. he s not apologized or risen to the occasion yet. all right. i agree with van what was that, don? i said all right, deacon jones. don i was going to say, i agree with his point about bill clint clinton, but with the reverend wright stuff, this was somebody that he knew for a decade, he went to his church, you know, he was the individual who married them. that s something that barack obama did consciously for a decade, and the stuff that was said about the united states of america was so horrific. nobody is proud of this moment, but this is a 15-second, whatever it was that horrible moment before the bus opened with the sccamera. i ve known the man for seven years and if you talk to anybody that knows him, including his wife, this is not the man that donald trump knows, and he s made it clear that s not who he is. told on, bakari, van, as i said deacon, i understand those words, g-damn america that didn t come out of barack obama s mouth, that came out of reverend wright s mouth. the words on that bus came out of donald trump s mouth. if donald trump had sat in a church with a preacher, who said those things, that would be a different story, but i don t think i think it s apples and oranges to compare those two situations. but i ll tell if you donald trump had sat in that church, i ll tell you every night on cnn around-the-clock, there would be a different member of that church there and it would be on, and on, and on. you don t remember 2008? that s not accurate. what s accurate is that donald trump said that he likes to commit sexual assault because he can do that. he said i just walk up and i grab them because i can do that. i ll put a tick ta-tac in my mo and i ll kiss them and you have women who said he put a tic-tac and he kissed me. but this is the same person who talked about women s appearances, women s flat-chests, the whole plethora, who walked into locker rooms women were changing for pageants. that has not been proven, once again. he said it himself. that doesn t mean he did it. first of all, let me say this scottie, before you respond, scottie, he did say to himself, again on on howard stern, he said that he walks into the room and he has i have to inspect it is place. but go on, scottie. and a lot of people say things on howard stern, and let me say this howard stern is entertainment. and he wasn t running for president. he was not a politician. i m sorry he doesn t have this well covered. let me point out i m a female, melania trump is a female. we are women. this is where this is going to go dead because the way the media has handled this is starting to back fire, especially the majority of these women s cases are finding out to be hit jobs on mr. trump, tied with the hillary clinton campaign, the dnc having maj majority of them are. there were chaperones that never came forward and said wrong things happened. the details matter. this is your track record, it s getting old. i ve got ten seconds left. who is going to respond? grow up. i have an 11-year-old daughter. thank you. and i don t care if a chaperone is in the room, if a grown adult man running the pageant or not walks in while she s changing clothes that is a problem. then why didn t the why did he brag about it? it s different. once again it never happened. thank you. we ll be right back. happy anniversary dinner, darlin can this much love be cleaned by a little bit of dawn ultra? oh yeah one bottle has the grease cleaning power of two bottles of this bargain brand. a drop of dawn and grease is gone. alarm clock beeping] look out honey. the highly advanced audi a4. ain t got time to make no apologies. 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