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did a few things and moved on. but now it's confronting us. right? now we have to confront this christian white nationalism, white supremacy that's in our soil, and we have to dig it up and finally dig it up and be rid of it that's poisoning all of us, poisoning everyone in this country. and it's poisoned us for 250 years. to me first i agree with eddie, we have to speak truth and we have to call it what it is and we have to say what it is. but i think the ways we do that in our communities and with our families, which i think is incredibly important, as soon as this thing becomes a political argument we start losing people. but you can relate in my view, and i have family members who have been in the same mode, you have to do it in a way that draws out the values that you share, that draws out the values -- before you say donald trump's an idiot and donald trump's a fascist and whatever the thing happens to be, you have to do it in a way of we share certain values. we share the idea that we should respect everybody. we share the idea that everybody
should be -- that people should be cared for. we should take care of people. you would do it in your community. i do it in mine. whatever that happens to be. and once you get people to a point where they understand the shared values that you have, then you can have the political conversation. but the only way this works fundamentally is it has to be changed from the bottom up, not from the top down. and the bottom up starts with us in our relationships, in our families, in our communities, in a truthful, kind but truthful way. we have to have those conversations. >> matt, you're right. and we appreciate that. thank you very much for that. eddie, always good to see you, my friend. thank you for both starting us off this hour. mara's going to stick around. when we return, donald trump once again mocking the late senator john mccain during a campaign stop in iowa. it's part of a long pattern by the disgraced ex-president to belittle and disparage america's military heroes. and it was met with a stinging rebuke by mccain's daughter. we'll talk about that next.
place of the civil war? what would the deal have been? we'll keep slavery but tweel preserve the union? by the way, that was a deal that was on the table for abraham lincoln. >> they were trying to negotiate this. >> there were democrats who were pushing for that. this isn't a historical sense that this can't happen here. no, no, it can happen here. we did have fascists here who were interested in taking power. we had anti-democratic movements across the united states south. and i think we need to get real about what that looks like because americans might be frustrated with, you know, the democratic party failing to deliver on certain issues like student loans, et cetera. that's very real. that needs to be addressed. but at the same time what is the alternative right now? it's pretty scary. and it's not going to deliver. for those americans either. >> eddie, you and i had a remarkable conversation yesterday about some of what's starting to feel like a backlash to what matt was just talking
one is a lack of enthusiasm among certain groups that have said that they may not come out to vote for joe biden or not enough's happened. the white house and the administration are sort of trying to respond with this idea that this election is existential. right? everybody says it's the most important election of our time, but this time it might actually be. whether the issue is democracy or the issue is freedoms and reproductive rights or racial equality or the economy. how do you think things are going so far in this campaign and what would you like to see happen? >> well, first, ali, i'm so glad we're having this conversation. we could go on days on this conversation because i think it's that important. i actually think, and i've said so all along, and i know eddie and i have had this conversation a number of times, that fundamentally this race needs to be about the existence of democracy and what that means and the moral cause of democracy. so i think the president's right about that. but one thing i think politicians need to understand, people that want elections need to understand, is that voters
look through information on the donors to decide which characteristics they want their babies to have. hi, i'm vicky. i'm lucy. and we had a baby two years ago through donor... ..er... ..sperm. hello, i'm sean greenaway. i'm a male fertility coach and i'm also the father. to twins that were conceived by the use of donor sperm. i what was quite important criteria for us was that the donor was going to be brown hair, blue eyes... ..like lucy. we chose that person - that we didn't know anything about because it was like a blank canvas. i we didn't want to be expecting anything of our children. - people using donor conception are helped by fertility doctors like eddie. there has been a definite movement in the demographics of people who are coming forward.