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Bostons Finest-20130901-00:51:00

uncertainty as to whether or not this will, in fact, happen. if it doesn't happen, that is an enormous impact on the region because it gives license to assad to do this again and, perhaps, suggests the u.s. is checked out as a kind of policeman to that particular part of the world. you should bear in mind about how awful it's already been for the syrians. this war began, as many syrian children have died, soldiers lost in afghanistan and iraq put together. the world is going to cover this for 30 more years. going to impact the u.s., our allies. at some point the u.s. was going to get drawn in. is this the time which it was supposed to happen? it's too late. eventually that is going to be the case and barack obama possibly has the moral weight of history on his side when trying to navigate this problem. >> let's talk more about israel, fouad. how worried should israel be, if at all? >> look, the israelis and syr n syrians have shared a border for a very long time. one thing that's very

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Anderson Cooper 360-20130709-00:50:00

>> few ouad, in terms of the u. approach to this, it's difficult, i know you've been critical of the administration's past actions in the region. how do you see how they're playing it now, and what the role is down the road? >> well, you know, anderson, i don't think we have an overwhelming role in egypt that people think we have. we don't have that much influence. even with the military in egypt, where we think we can tell the military what our wishes are, they can defy these wishes, we have $1.5 billion in aid for the egyptian military, and some -- it's mostly military aid. that aid could be obtained from saudi arabia, from the united arab emirates. i don't think we have that much influence. >> fouad, do you see -- some say this is the downfall of political islam. this is islam on its heals, do

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Erin Burnett OutFront-20130709-06:47:00

the supporters of deposed president morsi are claiming that they were engaged in early morning prayers when this happened, they were fired upon. they're calling it a massacre, but certainly regardless of how it started and who started it, it has really raised the level of tension in this already very tense city. >> fouad, how do you see this? where do you see this going? >> you know, anderson, this is a major event and i think it's going to embarrass the army, it's going to embarrass the supporters of the army, and it's going to embarrass washington by extension. >> obviously, supporters of the military overthrow resist even using the term coupe. they say, look, this is an extension, a continuation of the revolution that occurred some two years ago, but in terms of what happens next, i mean, can one predict where this goes? i mean, if there are elections, would the muslim brotherhood be

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Erin Burnett OutFront-20130709-03:47:00

happened, they were fired upon. they're calling it a massacre, but certainly regardless of how it started and who started it, it has really raised the level of tension in this already very tense city. >> fouad, how do you see this? where do you see this going? >> you know, anderson, this is a major event and i think it's going to embarrass the army, it's going to embarrass the supporters of the army, and it's going to embarrass washington by extension. >> obviously, supporters of the military overthrow resist even using the term coupe. they say, look, this is an extension, a continuation of the revolution that occurred some two years ago, but in terms of what happens next, i mean, can one predict where this goes? i mean, if there are elections, would the muslim brotherhood be allowed to take part in upcoming elections? >> well, anderson, we really don't know, we don't know what the future holds for egypt, but we do know there's a kind of

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Erin Burnett OutFront-20130709-03:51:00

i don't think we have that much influence. >> fouad, do you see -- some say this is the downfall of political islam. this is political islam on its heels. do you agree with that? >> i do. i think it's the set back for the muslim brotherhood, ben wedeman gave us a cautionary note. we should never think that anyone could extubate the roots of the muslim brotherhood in egypt. they run deep. they run to the 1920s. the muslim brotherhood should always be in the game. many of the liberals if you will, begrudge the brotherhood, they ran for elections against the brotherhood and they lost. it sustained a setback in egypt and it even sustained minor setback in turkey, the troubles of erdogan. the story continues. it never ends, because there is no way that you could somehow

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Erin Burnett OutFront-20130709-06:50:00

saw in the egyptian towns and cities during the 80s and 90s, that's the concern. >> fouad, in terms of the u.s. approach to this, it's difficult, i know you've been critical of the administration's past actions in the region. how do you see how they're playing it now, and what the role is down the road? >> well, you know, anderson, i don't think we have an overwhelming role in egypt that people think we have. we don't have that much influence. even with the military in egypt, where we think we can tell the military what our wishes are, they can defy these wishes, we have $1.5 billion in aid for the egyptian military, and some -- it's mostly military aid. that aid could be obtained from saudi arabia, from the united arab emirates. countries that have cheered this coup d'etat. i don't think we have that much influence.

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Erin Burnett OutFront-20130709-06:51:00

>> fouad, do you see -- some say this is the downfall of political islam. this is political islam on its heels. do you agree with that? >> i do. i think it's the set back for the muslim brotherhood, ben wedeman gave us a cautionary note. we should never think that anyone could extubate the roots of the muslim brotherhood in egypt. they run deep. they run to the 1920s. the muslim brotherhood should always be in the game. many of the liberals if you will, begrudge the brotherhood, they ran for elections against the brotherhood and they lost. it sustained a setback in egypt and it even sustained minor setback in turkey, the troubles of erdogan. the story continues. it never ends, because there is no way that you could somehow cut down the roots of the muslim

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Erin Burnett OutFront-20130709-03:50:00

from these massive street protests and clashes to something much worse along the lines of the terrorism that we saw in the egyptian towns and cities during the 80s and 90s, that's the concern. >> fouad, in terms of the u.s. approach to this, it's difficult, i know you've been critical of the administration's past actions in the region. how do you see how they're playing it now, and what the role is down the road? >> well, you know, anderson, i don't think we have an overwhelming role in egypt that people think we have. we don't have that much influence. even with the military in egypt, where we think we can tell the military what our wishes are, they can defy these wishes, we have $1.5 billion in aid for the egyptian military, and some -- it's mostly military aid. that aid could be obtained from saudi arabia, from the united arab emirates. countries that have cheered this coup d'etat.

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Anderson Cooper 360-20130612-08:33:00

step down. step down, mr. assad, well, you can imagine the glee with which this is being used and watched in syria. so all of this is -- that might be a little amusing, but it's not the bigger question. because this is a vital cog in the stability of that region. >> fouad ajami is also joining us. fouad, i think it was a turkish official that christiane interviewed earlier was comparing this to occupied wall street and police putting down demonstrators in new york in the occupied wall street movement. is it similar to that, in your opinion? >> no, not at all. this is a different political crisis. but i do want to say something about the statements coming out of the white house. the piety concerned. we want peace and order in the states of istanbul and ankara.

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Detailed text transcripts for TV channel - CNN - 20110517:02:24:00

actually very quiet. it was famous for being quiet, actually, going way back to 1974. then all of a sudden, one day, people are allowed to come up to it as they had never been able to before, and so the state department is saying that is an indication of what's going on, which is, they would argue, syria is trying to destabilize the situation and do a couple of things, you know, send a message perhaps that they can create some real mischief if they are attacked and under pressure by the international community and the united states. >> fouad, no one seems to be raising any doubts about the palestinians who were the ones who went up to the border and the reality of their beliefs, but you have no doubt that this was a -- basically a well-orchestrated warning from the assad regime, allowing these palestinians to get to the border. >> i have no shred of any doubt about this. if you take a look, anderson, at this border between syria and

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