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him. >> he tried to track down his father who moved to detroit after his son fled to boston. they believe the doctor moved to syria. we did find him employed at a university in qatar. once again we hear about mern links to isis. why do we this dual passport problem? >> for a long time foreign fighters have been a challenge. these are westerners fighting overseas in jihad conflict zones. we have 150 americans fighting along isis and other jihadist organizations in iraq and syria. we have seen it in the past in afghanistan and pakistan in terms of the fonta region but nowhere to the scale and scope we are seeing today. 20,000 people. >> the difference now is because of social media and facebook and all of these other vehicles people can make contact. in a matter of days can go from
before speaking to a cap fif audience. he went on a 15-minute rant. >> >>al baghdadi termed himself the caleb which means successor to mohammed. >> when his sermon was posted on-line it was the first time many followers ever laid eyes on him. >> (speaking foreign language) >> aal baghdadi was ibrahim alad and al samari and that part of iraq. he is an islamic scholar evenly though some ridiculed credentials. >> it has been a shadow eye
appearance. >> he was a cia case officer in the middle east. >> there were questions asked as to whether or not he really exi existed. he was sometimes confused with another high value target who led al qaeda in iraq who was killed. >> they have been in the battle of fallujah when the marines had the hamlet of fallujah in 2004, 2005. he is reportedly in u.s. custody in iraq from 2005 to 2009. the prison camp located in southeast iraq was named at ronald buca a new york city fire marshal killed in 9-11. he turned over authority to iraqis he was improperly let go in 2009. details are sketchy about what happened next. >> we know al qaeda as a great amount of autonomy within those camps in iraq. they kept their command structure. they were ordering and planning
kinetic means. finally intelligence we have to make end roads to the sunni tribes in iraq and syria. they are there. we need to show them we are mitted and stay the course. for heaven sakes don't do some deal with iranians that tells everybody on the sunni side of the world we are on their side. >> i was going to say isn't this the big picture question here? the cancer is in syria. but it seems to me every policy decision right now in the white house is driven by their desire to get a deal with iran and this effects how they are responding to the problem in syria. because they don't want to upset that apple cart because syria is alive with tehran. >> the intelligence community's moral is what at this point? big zero from -- >> it is terrible. >> i think people who have been on this issue and i hesitate to
plotted an attack on civilians in a shopping mall. they conspired to assassinate condoleezza rice and john ashcroft. again they failed. >> on or about february 13th, 2004, traveled to the fallujah area of iraq. >> there he may have made an important connection. >> he was in fallujah at the same time we believal baghdadi was in fallujah. >> what about back in boston? as first reported eight known terrorists attended this came privile bridge mosque a point the mosque denies. >> is there any information you can give us about this guy? >> you don't remember seeing him? >> no. not a clue. >> why do you think the mosque keeps ending up attached to terroris terrorism? >> nobody knows. this is a mosque. everybody is welcome. >> after his jihad tour abu samr
rule the state. they are not hiding caves in the margins of the islamic world. they have a lot of fellows with jihad, some afghanistan, many against our forces and iraqi government forces in iraq and many in syria. they put all of these together. when you add those to the fact that you states has not been there in any force for several years. >> the terrorist army of isis is estimated to have more than 30,000 fighters from 70 countries. the way they achieve the goals is terrific. >> it imposes strict sharia such as amputations for stealing, crucifixions for apostasy, as we know beheadings. isis clearly refers to the two different passages in the koran that refer to the beheading of unbelievers on the battlefield. >> all indications show many if
but ultimately it will save the human source to get inside the human making chains of these organizations. i was going to add based on preliminary conversations one is the old hat tricks in iraq under sadam hussein has a series of look alikes so they never knew where the target was. i wouldn't be surprised if we have a similar scenario with baghdadi. >> where do you spend the money there? you get your 10 million where is the incentive? where do you spend it? >> what is the incentive for us to get human intelligence to break bad on his side. >> the predecessors are fingered by those who want to zarqawi. we went to u.s. forces group and they plotted to where he was. he was it with the hell fire missile. it was a human intelligence. same thing with our friend
department he has followed terrorist money trails for more than a decade. >> nice to see you. >> pleasure to be here. >> where is isis getting its money? >> some of the money from resources with controlling territory. the biggest is oil which we used to think was getting as much as 2 million a day then rolled back to a million maybe under a million. half a million dollars a day i would take that paycheck. that's a lot of money. they are getting funds not as much as al qaeda but some through major donors in the gulf. they have always been primarily financed through localized crime in iraq always meaning isis today is what used to be al qaeda fwh iraq, the zarqawi met cork all of the same thing. even back in 2005, 2006, 2007 the primary funding for the insurgency was and continues to be today through localized crime kidnapping through political obstruction and et cetera.
turks in particular pay so much for gas there is supply and demand a market. you can find someone who can get the oil you will be able to find people to smuggle it and buy it in turkey. this ef to drive them across the border and work with middle men in syria and turkey. we ways of targeting them law enforcement treasury designations and military capability if they are going acrostic layer crossings with the trucks. >> you say there are ways to doing it why aren't we doing it if we need to shut them down for the money. >> this was a political decis n decision. they said they were going to tackle isis. one of the things they are going to be doing is targeting the money with the oil hopefully that will start. we keep saying how we are going to do it only on the iraq side of the border not the syrian side of the border. that is like squeezing a balloon. if we don't we are not going to get very far. >> how does the world fight the
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