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know -- it's like gou to the club with one of your buddies. and he gets in a fight and you know the buddy is wrong but you've go the to jump oh in on his side even though -- this is my knowledge cohen now. donald trump's gotten him into this bar fight. and now his whole life is getting turned upside down because he is loyal to his friend. even though he knows his friend is way out there on the plank. >> it's a rich political version of no snichgt. sam when david said the bottom hasn't fallen out you were shaking your head no. >> it's unbelievable to me reality check, here, right. the president is really talented at hiring a lot of people that end up under criminal investigation. and it's worth noting that president trump, i believe, had a lawyer at michael cohen's hearing today. this wasn't just some random event that happened the president is disassociated from process. >> right. >> i have to wonder for the president's base or for example republican senators or members of congress generally, at what point do all the criminal
big bang, so what made it go bang and what happened before then? stephen hawking's answer is there was no time before the big bang. time as we know it did not exist. there was something called imaginary time tangled up in space. gou back there, stay with me, this sounds great like why you haven't done certain things. you go back to this moment where there was -- since time didn't move there was a moment before the universe existed but it didn't exist in time as we understand it. >> bill: it sounds deep and confusing. what does his theory do to those who believe the big bang started? what did his theory do to those who believe in creation? >> stephen hawking all along has said he doesn't need a creator
campaign for america paid the law firm and fusion and steele and they took it to the court and led with it. i think the democrat memo confirms what was put out in the republican memo a few weeks ago. >> shannon: what do you make of their public response? they have no other option but to say it's a slam dunk and won it or the gop memo mischaracterizes evidence? >> anybody would conclude that you used the dossier to get a warrant. when gou -- you go to the court you're supposed to present the truth and whole truth. they hid who was fund this, the clinton campaign and dnc and in the subsequent applications to the court to renew the warrant, they didn't tell the court the fbi discontinued their relationship with christopher
campaign for america paid the law firm and fusion and steele and they took it to the court and led with it. i think the democrat memo confirms what was put out in the republican memo a few weeks ago. >> shannon: what do you make of their public response? they have no other option but to say it's a slam dunk and won it or the gop memo mischaracterizes evidence? >> anybody would conclude that you used the dossier to get a warrant. when gou -- you go to the court you're supposed to present the truth and whole truth. they hid who was fund this, the clinton campaign and dnc and in the subsequent applications to the court to renew the warrant, they didn't tell the court the fbi discontinued their relationship with christopher
agree. near not secret gun controllers. they have. >> you're saying they have been bought off they must not agree with the position. >> they are now kept. i i don't know how they started but they are kept. >> do you know the definition of conflict of interest. >> no, look. >> no you don't. >> no, no, no you believe none of these people are sincere some of them think the second amendment. >> i never said they weren't sincere. >> here is what i'm saying. i put the information out there. did you hear what i said facts first. >> right. >> but what -- what okay i'll -- >> if you think that getting. >> but what are you suggesting. >> getting thousands of dollars millions of dollars doesn't influence someone nonyou're sadly mistaken come on. >> so you're saying they sincerely believed there are all sorts of gun control measures that will make these go away. >> i think you're doing the same thing now with me in the conversation as people who oppose sensible gun laws do. gou to extremes. and you say things that people are not saying don't want to look at the facts because they
i'm sure you understand america's frustration. but how's it make you feel to know that's where you're at, 18%? >> what's interesting is we see these polls and i've been elected official in various capacities for 20 years and as a collective body we don't poll high but when you go home and you see you're constituents and they talk to you and you're popular, it's interesting to break down the polls and see where collectively we're not popular but when gou -- you go back home to your district, you usually are. >> chuck schumer went to the house, everybody thought it went well. the president tweeted he thought they had a great meeting and we hear from schumer's folks saying the president then went to his hard right and things fell apart
so i think they're on the verge potentially of reneging on the commitment made to the public to follow the facts where they lead, because these witnesses are in questionable relevant and important to the russia investigation and signaling we may never hear from them. >> do you worry they're trying to shut down the investigation by year's end to lay the foundation for donald trump to fire bob mueller? >> exactly what i'm worried about. >> joining me now, congressman member of the house judiciary committee and foreign affairs committee. good to have you. i want to play something trey goupt gou gow gowdyhad to say. take a's listen. >> set up ready to go. last minute, he can't come fuss. he's going to come next week. i'll be shock fundamental he comes next week. a little surprise fundamental he's still an employee of the fbi this time next week. >> a little bit surprised if he's still an employ of the fbi
>> kind of a combination of things. there is a lot more opportunities overseas than when you grow up in the island nation. what you really want to do is get out. >> alicia is one of the many who left here an early right of passage called o.e. pch as nick explains many found the grass was greener. >> if you're a technical person we know you have an education and gou to the job you don't have that many options not everyone wants to design a milking factory a dairy shed obviously there is money. generally you go to australia you get more money. >> the great kiwi brain drain had the best and brightest fleeing by the plane load. but then something dramatic happened on this rolling hillside full of sheep. >> it was of an average saturday in 1999 when someone pulled up to the alexander farm here and knocked on the door. it was a location scout for a
every witness connected to this case is having with his attorney -- his or her attorney before they go in the grand jury. and that attorney is going to tell the witness every which way possible that their loyalty is to themselves, not to donald trump, not to the administration, not to the trump organization. it's going to be to themselves and their family. and they're going to be told the only way you're in the going to get out of this fine is by lying. because if you lie you'll be almost certainly indicted for obstruction of justice or perjury or both. so tell the truth, for god's sake, and you'll be fine. it's going to be a much different scenario than making public pronounce mts to the press. or putting out a statement. when gou in you can't fool around. >> in the closing second what if
possible that their loyalty is to themselves, not to donald trump, not to the administration, not to the trump organization. it's going to be to themselves and their family. and they're going to be told the only way you're in the going to get out of this fine is by lying. because if you lie you'll be almost certainly indicted for obstruction of justice or perjury or both. so tell the truth, for god's sake, and you'll be fine. it's going to be a much different scenario than making public pronounce mts to the press. or putting out a statement. when gou in you can't fool around. >> in the closing second what if reporters find out who the grand jurors are? what about approaching them? is there tampering? are they free or enjoined from speaking. >> secrecy. they can't talk. the witnesses and the people who go before the grand jury can