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expert,nd who notted the first arms deal with the north koreans during the nuclear crisis in 1994, which ended up being violated, and he said, look, if they agree on everything and not the nuclear issue, then they've accomplished nothing. if they agree on the nuclear issue and nothing else, then they've accomplished everything. let's talk about the roadblocks and what has to be accomplished. first of all, there's going to have to be a declaration by the north koreans as to what they have done, how many missiles that god, how many nukes they've got, what their nuclear enrichment program is -- >> ed: we are in the dark on that. >> and where it is. this is the really key factor. there is going to have to be some kind of an inspection regime to allow outsiders in to the hermit kingdom to check and see, are they telling the truth, do they have what they say they have in the places they say they have it, and are there places that they are not talking about where they are hiding stuff?
pompeo did call me once, i would have told them. the north koreans always want us to go firsts in negotiatio then maybe they will do something. we went first and made the mistake and said we're going to stop some of the suspend some of the military exercises with south korea. i would have said do it concurrently, don't give him something right away especially when on the inspection issue on the nuclear, on the missile negotiations, they've gimp us nothing. so in 60 days, if they don't an inspection regime, if they don't have a specific plan for freezing and destroying some their nuclear weapons, they've got maybe 60 or their miff sites or conventional weapons, you know, i think they got the better of the deal. >> let me go to mick cag on this. i was struck by the fact after this 3/4 of a century, since the korean war, the actual fighting stopped, we haven't been able to
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inspection regime and then back out later and declare a nuclear program, that it will mean the destruction of your regime. >> martha: david, one of the things that seems to have sunk in with kim jong un is that the status quo is not any longer for him. either he needs to change his model and open up his economy and agree to some security assurances from the united states and dismantle his nuclear program, or he's going to face a military threat from the united states. those of the choices that he has on the table. comment on that and also on this denuclearization of the entire peninsula that secretary of state pompeo was talking about. >> i think that's right. this rises above politics so i think we should stop talk about democrats and republicans. democrats are rooting for president trump on this one. he deserves credit for being a disruptive diplomat, as just kim ng un. we are giving him something by having the meeting. i disagree with some of the previous discussion. this is a real win for kim jong un, just sitting down with him. we don't know if it's the pain of the sanctions or if he has
rich edson is on hand. talks have been going outside of the u.s. >> you have the highlight of today in the white house. you have the meetings earlier this week and the day before in new york city. there's been ongoing discussions in singapore. that's a logistics team that is working there to put the summit itself in place. what you're going to do with the government officials, the media, how the venues play out. those are very involved discussions. in the demilitarized zone, there's discussions how you'll get north korea to give up their nuclear weapons. what kind of inspection regime is that going to look like. what north korea will receive in return and when it's going to receive it. you know, when you have these meetings between principles, between the leaders of two countries, it's not as though they start from scratch when they begin their negotiations. so you have a lot of work that is done before the leaders come in. even the president has acknowledged this might take a little bit of time. on top of that, you have the
facilities. they figure during the pendency of talks, they won't do that. also the legitimization, once kim is in the room, that's a big win for north korea. up to now, the north koreans have made all the concessions. we've made none. but that changes as soon as kim and trump sit together and shake hands. and then the balance changes, because we've made a big concession. i'm not saying we shouldn't do that, but we should get something in return immediately, and that something is a clear pledge to give up weapons and an inspection regime that is the strictest on earth. president trump got out of the iran deal because of the inspections regime being faulty. if that one was faulty, then you've got to have a really tough one for north korea. >> tough situation. gordon chang, thanks for talking us through it. and hans nichols in singapore, thank you very much. comedienne samantha bee issued an apology to ivanka
over the next 15 days. we of course expect it probably will. what do you think will be probably one of the key sticking points that we'll have to deal with moving forward? >> the big key sticking point will be what denuclearization really means. and what the north koreans can really agree to. most experts seem to think that the leadership's entire national identity is based on the possession of nuclear weapons and whether that is something they could really negotiate away. and if they did, what kind of inspection regime would be in place. something that would be satisfactory with international standards? there are enormous numbers of questions and reasons that this thing could fall apart. >> i want to take a moment to ask you before we wrap up this segment the latest on rudy giuliani was on fox over the weekend and talked a lot about the mueller probe, whether or not the president will, in fact, appear, will he be
under an inspection regime and we will reduce his ballistic missile. this is more about his delivery ability. that's why i think we should go forward with the summit. if we clear out his locker of nuclear weapons, he's not going to give up those weapons. we need to get this out of u.s. versus north korea and get it into at least a four party conversation. i think it was a good thing he called president moon. he's coming on tuesday, president moon. there's a bigger game at foot here besides these nukes. it gets into the trade war, the south china sea. we have to play this as the geo politics of the region not just
his rate to exercise more restraint in its response to them. >> the iran nuclear deal. about 10 days ago you believed you were making progress on keeping the u.s. in the deal. what happened? >> well, we were negotiating alongside our french and german colleagues with this administration on ways of addressing the issues that concern the president about this deal. concerns that we share about enforcing the inspection regime, abouted ballistic missile program. we thought we were making progress on that. we thought a solution was possible. a few days ago it was clear that a decision had been taken for the u.s. which we find
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