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on-board computer system in kirk's silver hyundai. pings the state said put the car near pam's office. the defense called it junk science. >> this type of expert testimony has never been allowed in the state of illinois before. it should not have been allowed in this case. >> but how could the defense answer for that gunshot residue found on kirk's gear shift? the defense expert agreed there was plenty of it on that spot, but -- >> finding that number of characteristic of residue particles is surprising. >> maybe too surprising? especially because there was none anywhere else in the car. so it looked like some kind of a mistake or -- >> you're suggesting that gunshot residue was purposefully placed on the lever or came into contact with either clothing, a
>> i saw black. that's it. >> the defense also challenged that data taken from the onboard computer system in kirk's silver hyundai, pings the state said put the car near pam's office. the defense called it junk science. >> this type of expert testimony has never been allowed in the state of illinois before. it should not have been allowed in this case. >> but how could the defense answer for that gunshot residue found on kirk's gearshift? a defense expert agreed, there was plenty of it on that spot. but -- >> finding that number of characteristic of gunshot residue particles is surprising. >> maybe too surprising? especially because there was none anywhere else in the car. so it looked like some kind of mistake or worse. your suggestion is, what, that -- >> either gunshot residue was
randomly surveyed hundreds of people who joined in the march and found 70% were women and quoting all the about 10% of the participants were under 18. the average age of the adults of the crowd was just under 49 years old. she also says 27% of the participants had never protested before and most of the new protesters were not motivated by gun-control but rather, by issues of peace. and of president trump. shannon. >> shannon: all right, trace. very interesting. thank you. tonight, the aclu is urging greyhounds not to let i.c.e. agents searches buses for illegal immigrants without a warrant. meanwhile, the acl use efforts against law enforcement and may have had unintended consequences. researchers are blaming tougher rules on police officers for chicago's huge spike in homicides. they are calling it the aclu effect. the aclu calling it junk science. senior correspondent mike tobin takes a look at the evidence from chicago tonight.
randomly surveyed hundreds of people who joined in the march and found 70% were women and quoting all the about 10% of the participants were under 18. the average age of the adults of the crowd was just under 49 years old. she also says 27% of the participants had never protested before and most of the new protesters were not motivated by gun-control but rather, by issues of peace. and of president trump. shannon. >> shannon: all right, trace. very interesting. thank you. tonight, the aclu is urging greyhounds not to let i.c.e. agents searches buses for illegal immigrants without a warrant. meanwhile, the acl use efforts against law enforcement and may have had unintended consequences. researchers are blaming tougher rules on police officers for chicago's huge spike in homicides. they are calling it the aclu effect. the aclu calling it junk science. senior correspondent mike tobin takes a look at the evidence from chicago tonight.
involved in. coming up next is that tulsa volunteer deputy who killed a suspect turns himself in. i want to get mark's take on the psychological theory that his defenders are now using to explain why he fired his revolver instead of his taser. one criminologist calls it junk science. another expert says it's a winning argument in court. we'll talk to both of them ahead and mark. and later, sentencing in what's being called one of the biggest school cheating scandals ever. we're not talking about students cheating we're talking about administrators teachers being forced to pass up to pass students along who were not getting the education they deserve, we're joined by the man who led the investigation, next. the real question that needs to be asked is "what is it that we can do that is impactful?" what the cloud enables is computing to empower cancer researchers.
special weapons teams, the s.w.a.t. and special teams come in and handle the problem. after columbine that changes. you have to bypass people who were injured to stop an active shooter right away. i'm wondering if in this case that wasn't in the back of this officer's head. again, trying to get in his head is tough. but i'm having a hard time wondering why he ran his car over a curb and into a brick wall. it doesn't make sense. >> final thought, harry. >> had this guy when he was dilly dallying walking down the street and not taking any action had he shot and killed somebody we'd be talking about how could he have not taken any action earlier. >> larry houck, stick around. and the deposit who killed someone, i want to talk about that. and his defender saying why he fired his revolver instead of his taser. one called it junk science and another expert says it is a winning argument in court.
do they have a chance of getting it thrown out? >> it's critical. the 911 call, i believe, will be played. so the question is, will the prosecutors have expert testimony to help guide the jury as to who was making those death cries, who believed their life was imminently in danger. this is critical because for self-defense you have to be in reasonable expectation of imminent death or serious bodily harm. those screams have to be george zimmerman if the defense wants to succeed here. one of the issues, is the science acceptable in the community or is it junk science? there were witnesses on both sides but the defense had really renowned worldwide experts, including the senior audio engineer for the fbi that said, number one, you've got to have 16 seconds of screams. we don't have that. two screams are in the background. voice on the 911 call are the ones that you hear. and with the atmospheric conditions, whether the microphone of that phone that was in an apartment was turned away, it's just not reliable.
the rest of the country. and anyone who was not going to vote for michele bachmann because of her husband's business wasn't going to vote for her anyway, so i don't think that it affects the conservative voters and i don't think it affects the independent voters, most of whom are not concerned about her position on gay marriage, but on the economy and jobs. >> but in terms of the republican fight for the nation, these views will go down quite well with some people, won't they? some condemnation of homosexuality is a thematic approach? >> well, she is pro-family and pro-life and staunch conservative christian and we have known this for a long time, and in fact, some of the views being against gay marriage form xale p, i mean, president obama was against gay marriage when he ran, and suddenly had a chapg of heart a year later. >> well, the problem, s.e., that some of the conversations captured in secret video recording is -- >> well, i would call it junk
>> i think they got all of the instructions they would need. i mean the reality is what the state was selling is hate her because of that 30 days, and vilify her and loath her because she is a mom a allowed her kid to die. that is what they asked the jury to do and they said we are not holding that 30 days against her because that doesn't tell us how the child did. that is what they did. >> i think casey's behavior was the icing on the cake. they showed you the way that caylee was found to prove that t was murder and connected casey to that by all of the different types of evidence. forensics is one way. also witness testimony, the cadaver dogs. whether you want to call it junk science or not, which i don't agree with because it is new and novel doesn't make it junk. they connected her to it basically by the car. and you know it is nothing else but her having committed this crime because of her behaiiveor
>> i think they got all of the instructions they would need. i mean the reality is what the state was selling is hate her because of that 30 days, and vilify her and loath her because she is a mom a allowed her kid to die. that is what they asked the jury to do and they said we are not holding that 30 days against her because that doesn't tell us how the child did. that is what they did. >> i think casey's behavior was the icing on the cake. they showed you the way that caylee was found to prove that t was murder and connected casey to that by all of the different types of evidence. forensics is one way. also witness testimony, the cadaver dogs. whether you want to call it junk science or not, which i don't agree with because it is new and novel doesn't make it junk. they connected her to it basically by the car. and you know it is nothing else but her having committed this crime because of her behaiiveor